President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[conversationpc]

That is totally irrelevant. Accusing somebody of being racist, is being divisive. Accusing the President of this nation of being racist is even more divisive...and adds fuel to the fire. Then he holds a rally about unity and all this crap. Glenn Beck is the very definition of a hypocrite...and he knows it which is why he made his very timely apology.

It's COMPLETELY relevant. It couldn't be any more relevant.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That lady was obviously way nervous on that show and probably not representative of how she would normally be. That being said, I've seen that clip before and that host should be completely ashamed of himself.

What for? O'Donnell treated her with kid gloves, and at some moments, downright coddled her. After this show aired, I heard Beck and his ilk say the host had set her up or some BS. Riiight. Just like how Katie Couric performed a ruthless media hit job on Palin, right? Funny how everytime a GOP stooge opens their mouth and steps in it, it is blamed on the media. O'Donnell simply asked whether Medicare should be repealed. It's a legit question, and every anti-government Teabagging blowhard should be asked the same thing.

[slucero]

This woman to me represents the stereotypical Tea Partier. Kind hearted, hard working, patriotic, but ultimately just misled and completely confused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCoPh8D ... re=related

One could argue that most of the non-thinking, yet voting public is "ultimately just misled and completely confused".

[conversationpc]

That lady was obviously way nervous on that show and probably not representative of how she would normally be. That being said, I've seen that clip before and that host should be completely ashamed of himself.

What for? O'Donnell treated her with kid gloves, and at some moments, downright coddled her. After this show aired, I heard Beck and his ilk say the host had set her up or some BS. Riiight. Just like how Katie Couric performed a ruthless media hit job on Palin, right? Funny how everytime a GOP stooge opens their mouth and steps in it, it is blamed on the media. O'Donnell simply asked whether Medicare should be repealed. It's a legit question, and every anti-government Teabagging blowhard should be asked the same thing.

He asked her about that to try to trap her into some kind of supposed moral conundrum. "Why, if your parents are on it, how could you possibly be against it?" Please. Give me a break. I wrote about it at the time and my opinion still stands.

http://davesdominion.wordpress.com/2009 ... ing-of-us/

[The_Noble_Cause]

This woman to me represents the stereotypical Tea Partier. Kind hearted, hard working, patriotic, but ultimately just misled and completely confused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCoPh8D ... re=related

One could argue that most of the non-thinking, yet voting public is "ultimately just misled and completely confused".

I agree. But who's talking about them?

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

That lady was obviously way nervous on that show and probably not representative of how she would normally be. That being said, I've seen that clip before and that host should be completely ashamed of himself.

What for? O'Donnell treated her with kid gloves, and at some moments, downright coddled her. After this show aired, I heard Beck and his ilk say the host had set her up or some BS. Riiight. Just like how Katie Couric performed a ruthless media hit job on Palin, right? Funny how everytime a GOP stooge opens their mouth and steps in it, it is blamed on the media. O'Donnell simply asked whether Medicare should be repealed. It's a legit question, and every anti-government Teabagging blowhard should be asked the same thing.

This lady has nothing to be ashamed of an ought ot be admired for standing up in a town hall and fighting for what she believes in. And shame on anyone who ridicules her for doing that.

Having said that if you stand up for what you believe people are gonna be nasty to you, and they are goin to rip you apart (and that is what O'Donnell did) . and you better be ready for what they are gonna throw at you. Which is why Im cringe when believers in the free market call themselves "conservatives" when they should instead unshamedly call themselves capitalists or "classical liberals" and why I cringe when they choose to listen to people like Glenn Beck as opposed to people like Ron Paul . To many of em show up to gunfights armed with a butter knife.

[The_Noble_Cause]

e asked her about that to try to trap her into some kind of supposed moral conundrum. "Why, if your parents are on it, how could you possibly be against it?" Please. Give me a break. I wrote about it at the time and my opinion still stands.

http://davesdominion.wordpress.com/2009 ... ing-of-us/

In today's age of cable news shoutfests, O'Donnell treated her like a gentleman. If this woman wants to give a sitting Senator a piece of her mind, she should be able to defend her views. It later turned out that she had organized a 9.12 group in her area. Yet another Beck cultist who easily had her buttons pushed. Surprise, surprise.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This lady has nothing to be ashamed of an ought ot be admired for standing up in a town hall and fighting for what she believes in. And shame on anyone who ridicules her for doing that.

As proven by the interview, her beliefs amount to little more than disconnected buzzwords and slogans.

[RedWingFan]

This woman to me represents the stereotypical Tea Partier. Kind hearted, hard working, patriotic, but ultimately just misled and completely confused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCoPh8D ... re=related

She's like a rocket scientist compared to the typical Obama voter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVX-c07uefc

[The_Noble_Cause]

She's like a rocket scientist compared to the typical Obama voter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVX-c07uefc

Nobody said morons can't vote Democrat.

[slucero]

This woman to me represents the stereotypical Tea Partier. Kind hearted, hard working, patriotic, but ultimately just misled and completely confused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCoPh8D ... re=related

One could argue that most of the non-thinking, yet voting public is "ultimately just misled and completely confused".

I agree. But who's talking about them?

I thought you all were, talking about the Beck followers... and the conservatives talking about the liberal followers..

Both parties speak directly to them with their buzzwords and slogans... fast-food politics at its best.

[Monker]

This lady has nothing to be ashamed of an ought ot be admired for standing up in a town hall and fighting for what she believes in. And shame on anyone who ridicules her for doing that.

As proven by the interview, her beliefs amount to little more than disconnected buzzwords and slogans.

I believe this is very typical. In general, people don't like to think for themselves...so they rely on others to do the thinking for them. So, when they turn on the TV, or radio, or read online, or in a paper, or in a magazine, someone who shares some opinion and is able to talk about it in what they believe is an intelligent way, they latch on to that and inherit all of what goes along with that belief. Suddenly, all of the ridiculous rhetoric of Beck, or Hanitty, or Llimbaugh, or the other Fox prophets become part of their beliefs...for no other reason then they said it and these people trust them because they share some common opinion.

So, yeah, her beliefs come out as buzzwords, political one liners. That is because she may share some basic opinion with the Fox prophets...maybe some conservative belief that government should stay out of running our life...whatever. But, in the course of following the Fox prophets, she inherited those buzzwords as her own beliefs. She can't articulate WHY she believes what she does. All she knows is that these prophets believe what she does so these buzzwords and basic beliefs MUST be true. So, what is she supposed to say, "I believe that because Glenn Beck does and I trust him?"

Also, going on a program like Hardball you should not expect for anybody to go easy on you. It's like a liberal going on Hannity and being shocked that they were grilled. In fact, I thought he DID go pretty easy on her...considering the show.

[Monker]

She's like a rocket scientist compared to the typical Obama voter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVX-c07uefc

Nobody said morons can't vote Democrat.

But, they certainly do see socialists around every corner.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

This lady has nothing to be ashamed of an ought ot be admired for standing up in a town hall and fighting for what she believes in. And shame on anyone who ridicules her for doing that.

As proven by the interview, her beliefs amount to little more than disconnected buzzwords and slogans.

I dont know you cant necesarily tell this by the way a novice in front of the media might come across. I know this from a personal experience .

In November 2000 I was asked by a one of the BBC stations local to North Yorkshire to participate in a short segment about what normal Americans thought about what was going in Florida election mess. ( I think they found me because the studio engineer from the station wanted my body, she met me in some rock club in Leeds, and the Yorkshire girls love Americans, or at least they all loved me but thats another story if you have an hour or two ) Now Im no dummy, Ive been reading and studying and getting involved in US politics and governement ever since Kindergarten. In and effort to represent the US in a positive light , I had planned to make a couple clear non partisan points about how the US political system worked and would fairly sort things out, and thr fact that we had historical precedent in the 1890s , etc etc.
I get on the radio , the host is very nice to me in the pre show briefing and is very nice to me as the interview goes along which is the last thing you want. Soon he slips in some crap about how we were mean to the american indians and support the IRA and hence wont be able to sort the election out. Of course I wasnt ready to be blown off course, and having never done media before I panicked. Of course the only thing I wanted to say was "Gee asshole did you ever see the movie Ghandi why did you shoot all them Indians up". Lucily I resisted the urge but could only come out with a few twisted in choerent buzzwords and sounded like I had an IQ of 20, and was dork of the year.

Point being , put a novice in front of the media with no training you dont know if they are sincere or not, or know their stuff or not. It only proves that no one trained this lady on how to handle the media or coached her on how to handle it. Doesnt mean she doesn't have any substance beneath her .

[The_Noble_Cause]

I dont know you cant necesarily tell this by the way a novice in front of the media might come across. I know this from a personal experience .

In November 2000 I was asked by a one of the BBC stations local to North Yorkshire to participate in a short segment about what normal Americans thought about what was going in Florida election mess. ( I think they found me because the studio engineer from the station wanted my body, she met me in some rock club in Leeds, and the Yorkshire girls love Americans, or at least they all loved me but thats another story if you have an hour or two ) Now Im no dummy, Ive been reading and studying and getting involved in US politics and governement ever since Kindergarten. In and effort to represent the US in a positive light , I had planned to make a couple clear non partisan points about how the US political system worked and would fairly sort things out, and thr fact that we had historical precedent in the 1890s , etc etc.
I get on the radio , the host is very nice to me in the pre show briefing and is very nice to me as the interview goes along which is the last thing you want. Soon he slips in some crap about how we were mean to the american indians and support the IRA and hence wont be able to sort the election out. Of course I wasnt ready to be blown off course, and having never done media before I panicked. Of course the only thing I wanted to say was "Gee asshole did you ever see the movie Ghandi why did you shoot all them Indians up". Lucily I resisted the urge but could only come out with a few twisted in choerent buzzwords and sounded like I had an IQ of 20, and was dork of the year.

Point being , put a novice in front of the media with no training you dont know if they are sincere or not, or know their stuff or not. It only proves that no one trained this lady on how to handle the media or coached her on how to handle it. Doesnt mean she doesn't have any substance beneath her .

I get the point. At the same time, it sounds to me like you were thrown a curveball that was off-topic. This woman was pitched nothing but softballs. The host’s questions were specific to the anti-big gov't positions she claimed to hold.

[lights1961]

This lady has nothing to be ashamed of an ought ot be admired for standing up in a town hall and fighting for what she believes in. And shame on anyone who ridicules her for doing that.

As proven by the interview, her beliefs amount to little more than disconnected buzzwords and slogans.

I believe this is very typical. In general, people don't like to think for themselves...so they rely on others to do the thinking for them. So, when they turn on the TV, or radio, or read online, or in a paper, or in a magazine, someone who shares some opinion and is able to talk about it in what they believe is an intelligent way, they latch on to that and inherit all of what goes along with that belief. Suddenly, all of the ridiculous rhetoric of Beck, or Hanitty, or Llimbaugh, or the other Fox prophets become part of their beliefs...for no other reason then they said it and these people trust them because they share some common opinion.

So, yeah, her beliefs come out as buzzwords, political one liners. That is because she may share some basic opinion with the Fox prophets...maybe some conservative belief that government should stay out of running our life...whatever. But, in the course of following the Fox prophets, she inherited those buzzwords as her own beliefs. She can't articulate WHY she believes what she does. All she knows is that these prophets believe what she does so these buzzwords and basic beliefs MUST be true. So, what is she supposed to say, "I believe that because Glenn Beck does and I trust him?"

Also, going on a program like Hardball you should not expect for anybody to go easy on you. It's like a liberal going on Hannity and being shocked that they were grilled. In fact, I thought he DID go pretty easy on her...considering the show.

oops never mind....

[The_Noble_Cause]

kind of like a conservative going on face the nation, chris mathews, today show, good morning ameica, this week, um what else, larry king, wolf blitzer and msnbc show, any cnbs show, the view, david letterman, NPR and wondering why he is there... I can name coutless others... but monker... your getting old... just dang funny throwing out the 1 conservative views out there... and cryinjg about it ALWAYS... HILARIOUS...

If Fox News is the most watched TV news network, and the top most listened-to radio shows are all conservative, where do you get the idea that there is only "1 conservative views out there"? Most of the political shows mentioned above, (exclusing MSNBC), feature a neutral moderator asking questions of both parties - in the best traditions of evenhanded Meet the Press journalism. Wanna know who really controls the media and the news cycle? Just take a look at how the Obama White House treated Shirley Sherrod when word came out that her speech might be aired on FOX News. Pretty much says it all right there. This administration quivers in fear of the right wing and their wurlitzer noise machine.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Also, going on a program like Hardball you should not expect for anybody to go easy on you. It's like a liberal going on Hannity and being shocked that they were grilled. In fact, I thought he DID go pretty easy on her...considering the show.

oops never mind....

Monker is wrong. I watched Hardball during the Bush years and there was a hermetic seal between Mathews face and Bush's ass. He would make "leg tingling"-type gaffes on a daily basis. Upon Bush landing on the USS Lincoln, he practically needed a spit cup for his drooling over Bush's flightsuit codpiece. He swung left when the GOP went to hell and Olbermann carried out an editorial coup at the network. With Obama's poll numbers circling the toilet, he will be back on your side very soon. Keep him.

[hoagiepete]

Also, going on a program like Hardball you should not expect for anybody to go easy on you. It's like a liberal going on Hannity and being shocked that they were grilled. In fact, I thought he DID go pretty easy on her...considering the show.

oops never mind....

Monker is wrong. I watched Hardball during the Bush years and there was a hermetic seal between Mathews face and Bush's ass. He would make "leg tingling"-type gaffes on a daily basis. Upon Bush landing on the USS Lincoln, he practically needed a spit cup for his drooling over Bush's flightsuit codpiece. He swung left when the GOP went to hell and Olbermann carried out an editorial coup at the network. With Obama's poll numbers circling the toilet, he will be back on your side very soon. Keep him.

[RedWingFan]

Don't know if this has been posted yet or not. Thought it was pretty funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKofFIveJG4

[The_Noble_Cause]

Don't know if this has been posted yet or not. Thought it was pretty funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKofFIveJG4

Amusing, but based on lies. Tamron Hall, Alison Stewart, and one or two other MSNBC on-air anchors/contributors are black. Pretty much the same white-to-black ratio as FOX News. Come to think of it, none of the cable news channels have blacks hosting their own primetime shows. Also, MSNBC at one time gave Alan Keyes his own series.

[donnaplease]

All you have to do is go back the cultural center debate...categorizing ALL Muslims as being no better then the terrorists who executed 9/'11. If they want unity, they would be FOR the cultural center. Instead, Beck, Palin, Newt, and the rest of Fox are divisive and turn it into a political issue and denigrate ALL Muslims with their silly political rhetoric.

Beck preaches unity but in the past he calls the President racist...which, of course, he NOW apologizes for - because of the obvious hypocrisy. He constantly goes on about this and that being tied to Nazi's and socialism. You can take almost ANY show he does and it is soooo easy to see that he is incredibly divisive.

OK, dude. Time to put your money where your mouth is. Well, fingers anyway...

First, show me where ALL muslims have been categorized in any way. You said it twice in one paragraph, so you must have concrete and irrefutable proof. The only group of people who are making this a racial issue are the liberals. Any time one of their own gets called out for something, it's because of a pre-determined prejudice against them, not because of any legitimate reason. Because heaven knows that no one associated with a liberal would ever make a mistake or do something contrary to the will of the people...

Second, I was listening to a liberal radio station yesterday or today (it was either MSNBC or America Left) where the 'Beck calling Obama a racist' issue was raised. They made a point to show people that when given the opportunity to apologize, in fact Glenn Beck stated that he wanted to AMEND his comment, not apologize. They were offended that he did not apologize. So are you saying that they were wrong in their segment?

As for the Nazi and socialism comments, yep, he does talk about that stuff a lot. It's somewhat educational on one hand, and mind-numbingly annoying on the other. I agree he is very devisive.

The only people he truly wants to 'unite' are Republicans - not ALL Americans.

It's funny that I said almost the exact same thing as you, except the 'he' that I was referring to was Barack Obama, and the 'people' he cares about are the democrats. Now I ask you, who has the bigger and more important responsibility to the American public?

[donnaplease]

Monker is wrong. I watched Hardball during the Bush years and there was a hermetic seal between Mathews face and Bush's ass. He would make "leg tingling"-type gaffes on a daily basis. Upon Bush landing on the USS Lincoln, he practically needed a spit cup for his drooling over Bush's flightsuit codpiece. He swung left when the GOP went to hell and Olbermann carried out an editorial coup at the network. With Obama's poll numbers circling the toilet, he will be back on your side very soon. Keep him.

How the hell does he have a job, then? Seriously, the past few days I've been listening to his show on XM on my way home from work, and there were times I wanted to put my fist through my dashboard. Even if I don't agree with their thought processes, at least I can respect someone for having a core set of values. If he is willing to swing so far from one extreme to the other, I don't see how he has any audience. And would MSNBC keep him on air if his political pendulum did come back the other way?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Monker is wrong. I watched Hardball during the Bush years and there was a hermetic seal between Mathews face and Bush's ass. He would make "leg tingling"-type gaffes on a daily basis. Upon Bush landing on the USS Lincoln, he practically needed a spit cup for his drooling over Bush's flightsuit codpiece. He swung left when the GOP went to hell and Olbermann carried out an editorial coup at the network. With Obama's poll numbers circling the toilet, he will be back on your side very soon. Keep him.

How the hell does he have a job, then? Seriously, the past few days I've been listening to his show on XM on my way home from work, and there were times I wanted to put my fist through my dashboard. Even if I don't agree with their thought processes, at least I can respect someone for having a core set of values. If he is willing to swing so far from one extreme to the other, I don't see how he has any audience. And would MSNBC keep him on air if his political pendulum did come back the other way?

Like John McLaughlin on The McLaughlin Group, Mathews seems to think that if both sides equally hate his guts, he has done his job. That, or he is suffering from schizophrenia with a slight case of bipolar disorder. Something's def. not right with that guy.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The only people he truly wants to 'unite' are Republicans - not ALL Americans.

It's funny that I said almost the exact same thing as you, except the 'he' that I was referring to was Barack Obama, and the 'people' he cares about are the democrats. Now I ask you, who has the bigger and more important responsibility to the American public?

What crap. This President has pissed away all of his political clout trying to cut deals with the GOP on everything from the stimulus to healthcare. He has been in full blown appeasement mode since day one. The guy is a pussy imo. For this reason, he has lost his democratic base, not united them.

[donnaplease]

The only people he truly wants to 'unite' are Republicans - not ALL Americans.

It's funny that I said almost the exact same thing as you, except the 'he' that I was referring to was Barack Obama, and the 'people' he cares about are the democrats. Now I ask you, who has the bigger and more important responsibility to the American public?

What crap. This President has pissed away all of his political clout trying to cut deals with the GOP on everything from the stimulus to healthcare. He has been in full blown appeasement mode since day one. The guy is a pussy imo. For this reason, he has lost his democratic base, not united them.

Totally not how it's seen from across the aisle. I have seen no evidence of this so-called appeasement whatsoever. What I have seen, though, is repeated insults and blame. But I get that the far left thinks he hasn't done enough for their agenda.

[RedWingFan]

Don't know if this has been posted yet or not. Thought it was pretty funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKofFIveJG4

Amusing, but based on lies. Tamron Hall, Alison Stewart, and one or two other MSNBC on-air anchors/contributors are black. Pretty much the same white-to-black ratio as FOX News. Come to think of it, none of the cable news channels have blacks hosting their own primetime shows. Also, MSNBC at one time gave Alan Keyes his own series.

It focused on MSNBC because Olberturd. The elitist media channels from top to bottom are far whiter than the 12% (or whatever it is now) national black population.

I think maybe that miserable Olbermann is only seeing what he wants to see. Either that or he's an idiot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcsnWLLdl70

[The_Noble_Cause]

What crap. This President has pissed away all of his political clout trying to cut deals with the GOP on everything from the stimulus to healthcare. He has been in full blown appeasement mode since day one. The guy is a pussy imo. For this reason, he has lost his democratic base, not united them.

Totally not how it's seen from across the aisle. I have seen no evidence of this so-called appeasement whatsoever.

Facts are facts. Wrangling over healthcare to earn repub votes took more than a year. The stimulus was watered down with hundreds of billions in tax cuts for GOP votes. The GOP made a political move to stonewall every action by this president and proclaim it "radical." We saw alot of this under Clinton too. The only surprising thing is that dumb americans keeps falling for it. Now we have prominent conservatives openly looking forward to taxpayer funded investigations and government shutdowns when the GOP regains power. I wonder how much screaming about the deficit will be going on as the GOP appoints a special prosecutor to investigate Michelle Obama's Vacationgate. Which, of course, we will be told is the gravest threat to ever face the republic.

What I have seen, though, is repeated insults and blame. But I get that the far left thinks he hasn't done enough for their agenda.

And just which agenda items do you think the "far left" should be jumping over the moon about? Is it passing Mitt Romney's healthcare plan, letting Wall street off the hook, or the continuation of Bush's foreign policy? Please let us know.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Looks like a Tea Party Candidate may take a US Senate seat in Alaska. Incumbent Murkowski a RINO has conceded to Joe Miller the Palin backed TP candidate.

BTW, TNC, the Tea Party has been around since at least 1994 I think, I was with them here in Cincy during the Clinton years. It started out as Taxed Enough Already or T.E.A. Party. A local radio dude used to chat them up and at least 4 or 5 rallies were held on Fountain Square all through Clintons term up through impeachment. Not sure exactly how it has all evolved nationaly lately but they seemed to be dormaint thru Bush and have revived themselves now bigger than ever.

Nothing like this. The Tea Parties now have corporate sponsorship thanks to Freedomworks, and an entire news channel dedicated to promoting and organizing the cause.

[lights1961]

good speech last night...except, he should have kept the economy part out... this should have been 150% great job troops... but nope... couldnt be done. oh and the fact that he looked pained in talking about that we might have actually won... Since he talked about the surge failing just 2 and 1/2 short years ago... just saying..