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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 07, 2010 12:09 am

Fact Finder wrote:Good grief, and you accuse Beck of being hysterical and fear mongering. Jeez dude, get a grip, you sound like a leftist version of the fools at Free Republic. :lol: Are we pubbies gonna build camps for the citizens too? :shock:


The real unemployment rate is close to 20 percent. Somes estimates put it higher than that. Given this country's history, I don't think I am being hysterical at all. The government has no interest in bringing that number down, most politicos now regularly claim that high unemployment is a structural problem. None of this will be solved by a change in party.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:45 am

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Gallup Delivers a Stunner

The Wall Street Journal 10-06-10 JOHN FUND

The real historical parallel may be 1894 when Republicans took 100 seats.


Great, and if the polls are to be believed, America should get to know their new Speaker of the House a little better. Yea, I know, I know. The GOP is different now. They have heard the voice of the people and carry at least ten pocket constitutions with them at all times. :roll:

"It’s beyond astonishing to me that John Boehner has a real chance to be speaker of the House of Representatives.

I’ve always thought of Mr. Boehner as one of the especially sleazy figures in a capital seething with sleaze. I remember writing about that day back in the mid-’90s when this slick, chain-smoking, quintessential influence-peddler decided to play Santa Claus by handing out checks from tobacco lobbyists to fellow Congressional sleazes right on the floor of the House.

It was incredible, even to some Republicans. The House was in session, and here was a congressman actually distributing money on the floor. Other, more serious, representatives were engaged in debates that day on such matters as financing for foreign operations and a proposed amendment to the Constitution to outlaw desecration of the flag. Mr. Boehner was busy desecrating the House itself by doing the bidding of big tobacco..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/05/opini ... ef=general
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Postby hoagiepete » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:20 am

Are higher taxes and more regulation...not only financial industry, but all business and industry...going to help create new jobs (private sector) and stimulate the economy?

If you believe they will, please explain.
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Postby S2M » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:28 am

lights1961 wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/06/gloria.borger.sweep/index.html

interesting article... from CNN.


The best part of that article is the last line:

And all because they haven't changed Washington.

Neither party can change washington....but each wants to be in office to reap the benefits that come along with fleecing the american people...

Good Luck repubs....now it's your turn to fail.
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Postby lights1961 » Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:57 am

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lights1961 wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/10/06/gloria.borger.sweep/index.html

interesting article... from CNN.


The best part of that article is the last line:

And all because they haven't changed Washington.

Neither party can change washington....but each wants to be in office to reap the benefits that come along with fleecing the american people...

Good Luck repubs....now it's your turn to fail.


also that Spector thought that just because he switched sides to the **winning side** he was thinking he would reap the benefits of being re elected... LOL...
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Postby slucero » Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:36 am

hoagiepete wrote:Are higher taxes and more regulation...not only financial industry, but all business and industry...going to help create new jobs (private sector) and stimulate the economy?

If you believe they will, please explain.


The current FINREG ACT, as passed, would not have prevented Lehman Bros from going under in 2008... and it is FAR weaker than the Glass-Steagal Act of 1933, which Congress passed to prevent the banking industry from repeating what they did to cause the 1929 Crash...

In the 66 years after Glass-Steagal was passed... lots of jobs were created... there was a world war... the US had a huge economic post-war boom...

Ironically, Glass-Steagal was reversed by the "Banking Modernization Act of 1999"... and lo and behold, in 2008 the banks did it again...

Further... Congress made it easier for corporations to offshore jobs and not repatriate revenue.. and not pay taxes on revenue until it was repatriated... all by deregulation...

Case in point.. Microsoft is currently considering borrowing money to provide a dividend to their stockholders... because they do not want to repatriate overseas profits and pay US taxes...

Creating jobs in this country will require the re-creation of a somewhat level playing field.. this will mean the modernization and re-industrialization of the manufacturing sector - most accounts I've read say that will take 10 years at least... we've also lost 50% of our manufacturing jobs in the last 20 years..

This problem is compounded by a Congress that has been and is still beholden to big business, and staunchly protects legislation that favors big business... notice I said nothing about Congress protecting Joe Citizen... most of what they do in this regard is lip service..

What is unfolding now has been decades in the making, and will likely be decades in the undoing.

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:39 am

slucero wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Are higher taxes and more regulation...not only financial industry, but all business and industry...going to help create new jobs (private sector) and stimulate the economy?

If you believe they will, please explain.


The current FINREG ACT, as passed, would not have prevented Lehman Bros from going under in 2008... and it is FAR weaker than the Glass-Steagal Act of 1933, which Congress passed to prevent the banking industry from repeating what they did to cause the 1929 Crash...

In the 66 years after Glass-Steagal was passed... lots of jobs were created... there was a world war... the US had a huge economic post-war boom...

Ironically, Glass-Steagal was reversed by the "Banking Modernization Act of 1999"... and lo and behold, in 2008 the banks did it again...

Further... Congress made it easier for corporations to offshore jobs and not repatriate revenue.. and not pay taxes on revenue until it was repatriated... all by deregulation...

Case in point.. Microsoft is currently considering borrowing money to provide a dividend to their stockholders... because they do not want to repatriate overseas profits and pay US taxes...

Creating jobs in this country will require the re-creation of a somewhat level playing field.. this will mean the modernization and re-industrialization of the manufacturing sector - most accounts I've read say that will take 10 years at least... we've also lost 50% of our manufacturing jobs in the last 20 years..

This problem is compounded by a Congress that has been and is still beholden to big business, and staunchly protects legislation that favors big business... notice I said nothing about Congress protecting Joe Citizen... most of what they do in this regard is lip service..

What is unfolding now has been decades in the making, and will likely be decades in the undoing.


Great post.
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Postby Monker » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:28 am

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Fact Finder wrote:The Noble Cause wrote:
When the GOP wins back Congress and their economic policies do nothing to prevent America’s slide into martial law and rationing, just whose grave will you dance on then? Fool.



Good grief, and you accuse Beck of being hysterical and fear mongering. Jeez dude, get a grip, you sound like a leftist version of the fools at Free Republic. :lol: Are we pubbies gonna build camps for the citizens too? :shock:


It wouldn't surprise me if it is suggested by one of the Republican loonies to have 'camps' for Muslim Americans.


We just built them two nice camps in Iraq and Afgahanstan...we're trying to keep them there and from infiltrating from Pakistan..easier to kill them when they're corralled.


You do realize that I said Muslim AMERICANS, correct?

Good to know you are in favor of the US government killing American citizens only because of their religious beliefs.
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Postby Monker » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:29 am

Of course...Democrats are pussies and just want to get reelected...no surprise there.

Fact Finder wrote:POLL: Dislike of healthcare law crosses party lines, 1 in 4 Dems want repeal...

http://thehill.com/house-polls/the-hill ... arty-lines


Healthcare reform is hurting the reelection chances of freshman Democrats in the House, according to The Hill/ANGA poll.

A majority of voters in key battleground districts favor repeal of the legislative overhaul Congress passed this year.

President Obama predicted in the spring that the new law would become popular as people learned more about it. But the poll shows Republicans strongly oppose it, independents are wary of it and a surprising number of Democrats also want it overturned.


Republicans have vowed to repeal the law if they take control of Congress, and the findings of Mark Penn, who led Penn Schoen Berland’s polling team, show that healthcare is a major issue for voters this year.


When asked if they wanted the legislation repealed, 56 percent of voters in the surveyed districts said yes. “Only Democrats were opposed to repeal (23 percent to 64 percent),” Penn said. “Undecided voters wanted the healthcare law repealed by 49 percent to 27 percent.”





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Postby S2M » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:44 am

Politicians are the worst kind of scum. Just above lawyers. Why would a politician hope for another politician's failure? Should a rival politician's failure come above the nation's success? Dems and Repubs only care about being in office, and subsequently in control. Fuck the people. right?

Makes no difference if a Bill or Law will help society. No. If the rival party is in office, let's hope it fails...so we can take over next election. That's all politics is people....ONE BIG CIRCLE JERK.
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UN-Freaking Believable.....

Postby slucero » Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:49 pm

Wow... just wow..

Is HR3808 The Equivalent Of TARP 2 And Obama's "Get Out Of Bail" Gift Card For The High Frequency Signing Scandal?

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/hr3808-equivalent-tarp-2-and-obamas-get-out-jail-gift-card-high-frequency-signing-scandal

Now that the High Frequency Signing (HFS, not to be confused with HFT) scandal is mainstream, and virtually every single foreclosure in the US in the past several years is under question, with the impact on mortgage servicers (who just happen to be the TBTF banks) could be just as dire as the fallout from the credit crunch, it appears that the get out of jail card for the banking syndicate has once again materialized, this time in the form of bill HR3808: Interstate Recognition of Notarizations Act of 2009, sponsored by Republican representative Robert Aderholt. The bill, it turns out, has passed both congress and senate, and is now quietly awaiting for Obama's signature to be enacted into law. In summary, the bill requires all federal and state courts to recognize notarizations made in other states. That's the theoretical definition: the practical one - the legislation, if enacted, could protect bank and mortgage processors from liability for false or improperly prepared documents.In other words, with one simple signature Obama has the capacity to prevent tens of billions in damages to banks from legal fees, MBS deficiency claims, unwound sales, and to formally make what started this whole mess: Court Fraud perpetrated by banks, a legal act, and to finally trample over the constitution. Will Obama do it? Potentially - the banking lobby certainly has enough power over him and his superiors, the members of the FOMC. On the other hand, the populist revolt that will surely follow the enactment of such a law will certainly end any dreams of a second term, and potentially of a completed first one. The drama is now on: will Obama openly side on behalf of the bankers (without a "blame the republicans" fall back this time) or of the foreclosure "victims" (granted, the bulk of whom are deadbeat homeowners who should never have owned a home to begin with). We doubt a decision will be reached before the midterms, although quite a bit now hangs in the balance.



Reuters article.. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6955YX20101006?pageNumber=2

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Postby lights1961 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:22 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
slucero wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Are higher taxes and more regulation...not only financial industry, but all business and industry...going to help create new jobs (private sector) and stimulate the economy?

If you believe they will, please explain.


The current FINREG ACT, as passed, would not have prevented Lehman Bros from going under in 2008... and it is FAR weaker than the Glass-Steagal Act of 1933, which Congress passed to prevent the banking industry from repeating what they did to cause the 1929 Crash...

In the 66 years after Glass-Steagal was passed... lots of jobs were created... there was a world war... the US had a huge economic post-war boom...

Ironically, Glass-Steagal was reversed by the "Banking Modernization Act of 1999"... and lo and behold, in 2008 the banks did it again...

Further... Congress made it easier for corporations to offshore jobs and not repatriate revenue.. and not pay taxes on revenue until it was repatriated... all by deregulation...

Case in point.. Microsoft is currently considering borrowing money to provide a dividend to their stockholders... because they do not want to repatriate overseas profits and pay US taxes...

Creating jobs in this country will require the re-creation of a somewhat level playing field.. this will mean the modernization and re-industrialization of the manufacturing sector - most accounts I've read say that will take 10 years at least... we've also lost 50% of our manufacturing jobs in the last 20 years..

This problem is compounded by a Congress that has been and is still beholden to big business, and staunchly protects legislation that favors big business... notice I said nothing about Congress protecting Joe Citizen... most of what they do in this regard is lip service..

What is unfolding now has been decades in the making, and will likely be decades in the undoing.


Great post.


SPOT ON...

to add here is creating jobs will be difficult unless congress and the public want to deal with what manufacturing jobs create... pollution....and destruction of resources... there is where the left, liberals and union dudes have the conflict with being with democrats.. on the one hand for job...but on the otherhand create so much red tape that industries move out of country... REGULATIONS and RESTICTIONS AND REALLY HIGH TAXES make this happen...and affriad for using all the resources...what are we willing to tolerate here, being a GREEN soceity or making things and creating jobs... **the good paying jobs** that are always going away...because someone else can do them cheaper, with less REGULATION, RESTRICTIONS or TAXES.... there needs to be a gut check in reality that adding any manufacturing jobs in the USA... will be down to what do you want, enviornmental friendly...or production from workers making things...

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Postby lights1961 » Fri Oct 08, 2010 2:33 am

from Gallup...




Gallup Finds U.S. Unemployment at 10.1% in SeptemberUnderemployment, at 18.8%, is up from 18.6% at the end of Augustby Dennis Jacobe, Chief Economist
PRINCETON, NJ -- Unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, increased to 10.1% in September -- up sharply from 9.3% in August and 8.9% in July. Much of this increase came during the second half of the month -- the unemployment rate was 9.4% in mid-September -- and therefore is unlikely to be picked up in the government's unemployment report on Friday.



Certain groups continue to fare worse than the national average. For example, 15.8% of Americans aged 18 to 29 and 13.9% of those with no college education were unemployed in September.

The increase in the unemployment rate component of Gallup's underemployment measure is partially offset by fewer part-time workers, 8.7%, now wanting full-time work, down from 9.3% in August and 9.5% at the end of July.



As a result, underemployment shows a more modest increase to 18.8% in September from 18.6% in August, though it is up from 18.4% in July. Underemployment peaked at 20.4% in April and has yet to fall below 18.3% this year.



Friday's Unemployment Rate Report Likely to Understate

The government's final unemployment report before the midterm elections is based on job market conditions around mid-September. Gallup's modeling of the unemployment rate is consistent with Tuesday's ADP report of a decline of 39,000 private-sector jobs, and indicates that the government's national unemployment rate in September will be in the 9.6% to 9.8% range. This is based on Gallup's mid-September measurements and the continuing decline Gallup is seeing in the U.S. workforce during 2010.

However, Gallup's monitoring of job market conditions suggests that there was a sharp increase in the unemployment rate during the last couple of weeks of September. It could be that the anticipated slowdown of the overall economy has potential employers even more cautious about hiring. Some of the increase could also be seasonal or temporary.

Further, Gallup's underemployment measure suggests that the percentage of workers employed part time but looking for full-time work is declining as the unemployment rate increases. To some degree, this may reflect a reduced company demand for new part-time employees. For example, employers may be converting some existing part-time workers to full time when they are needed as replacements, but may not in turn be hiring replacement part-time workers. Another explanation may relate to the shrinkage of the workforce, as some employees who have taken part-time work in hopes of getting full-time jobs get discouraged and drop out of the workforce completely -- going back to school to enhance their education, for example, instead of doing part-time work. It is even possible that some workers may find unemployment insurance a better alternative than part-time work with little prospect of going full time.

Regardless, the sharp increase in the unemployment rate during late September does not bode well for the economy during the fourth quarter, or for holiday sales. In this regard, it is essential that the Federal Reserve and other policymakers not be misled by Friday's jobs numbers. The jobs picture could be deteriorating more rapidly than the government's job release suggests.

Gallup.com reports results from these indexes in daily, weekly, and monthly averages and in Gallup.com stories. Complete trend data are always available to view and export in the following charts:

Daily: Employment, Economic Confidence and Job Creation, Consumer Spending
Weekly: Employment, Economic Confidence, Job Creation, Consumer Spending

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Postby Monker » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:54 am

lights1961 wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
slucero wrote:
hoagiepete wrote:Are higher taxes and more regulation...not only financial industry, but all business and industry...going to help create new jobs (private sector) and stimulate the economy?

If you believe they will, please explain.


The current FINREG ACT, as passed, would not have prevented Lehman Bros from going under in 2008... and it is FAR weaker than the Glass-Steagal Act of 1933, which Congress passed to prevent the banking industry from repeating what they did to cause the 1929 Crash...

In the 66 years after Glass-Steagal was passed... lots of jobs were created... there was a world war... the US had a huge economic post-war boom...

Ironically, Glass-Steagal was reversed by the "Banking Modernization Act of 1999"... and lo and behold, in 2008 the banks did it again...

Further... Congress made it easier for corporations to offshore jobs and not repatriate revenue.. and not pay taxes on revenue until it was repatriated... all by deregulation...

Case in point.. Microsoft is currently considering borrowing money to provide a dividend to their stockholders... because they do not want to repatriate overseas profits and pay US taxes...

Creating jobs in this country will require the re-creation of a somewhat level playing field.. this will mean the modernization and re-industrialization of the manufacturing sector - most accounts I've read say that will take 10 years at least... we've also lost 50% of our manufacturing jobs in the last 20 years..

This problem is compounded by a Congress that has been and is still beholden to big business, and staunchly protects legislation that favors big business... notice I said nothing about Congress protecting Joe Citizen... most of what they do in this regard is lip service..

What is unfolding now has been decades in the making, and will likely be decades in the undoing.


Great post.


SPOT ON...

to add here is creating jobs will be difficult unless congress and the public want to deal with what manufacturing jobs create... pollution....and destruction of resources... there is where the left, liberals and union dudes have the conflict with being with democrats.. on the one hand for job...but on the otherhand create so much red tape that industries move out of country... REGULATIONS and RESTICTIONS AND REALLY HIGH TAXES make this happen...and affriad for using all the resources...what are we willing to tolerate here, being a GREEN soceity or making things and creating jobs... **the good paying jobs** that are always going away...because someone else can do them cheaper, with less REGULATION, RESTRICTIONS or TAXES.... there needs to be a gut check in reality that adding any manufacturing jobs in the USA... will be down to what do you want, enviornmental friendly...or production from workers making things...

R


Not for all industries. In IT, a company can hire a developer from India for half of what the average wage is here. In fact, they can sponsor a Visa and pay a consulting fee for a lot less then what it costs to hire a US employee. It has absolutely nothing to do with 'higher taxes' or 'red tape'. It has to do with the bottom line and cheap labor. Now that we are exporting our tech jobs, and have been for years, what industry does this country REALLY have left?

There should be some middle ground to make the 'green' economy work with manufacturing. But, it will never happen because of how the two parties fight with no compromise and get nothing done. I laugh at this notion that a Republican congress is going to change anything...How can electing a bunch of radical right wing conservatives help anything? People are fickle and stupid and do not understand that supporting nothing but the latest radical change does absolutely nothing for the big picture....in fact, it makes it worse.
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Postby slucero » Sat Oct 09, 2010 3:24 am

Reagan and Clinton were very similar regarding economics... Bush and Obama are also very similar... in expanding government in size and cost...

Very hard to choose when the results of their actions are more similar than their rhetoric.

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Postby RedWingFan » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:07 am

27 terms is enough. Tell me this isn't a bad sign for Democrats.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/din ... 01130.html

Dingell Trailing Republican 39% to 44%
BY John McCormack
October 8, 2010 11:39 AM
The Detroit Free Press reports:

A new independent poll has the dean of the U.S. House, Rep. John Dingell, trailing his Republican opponent, Rob Steele, by 4 percentage points.

The automated phone survey of 300 people in the 15th Congressional District showed Steele getting 43.8% of the vote. Dingell, a Dearborn Democrat and the longest-serving member of Congress, got 39.5%. About 11% were undecided. The gap is within the poll's margin of error of plus or minus 5.6 percentage points. The poll was conducted Monday.


Dingell was first elected in 1954--he took the seat over from his father who was first elected in 1932. So, on the upside, Dingell can always campaign on the compelling message: Are you better off now than you were 78 years ago?

Dingell has apparently been worried about the election for awhile. Jay Cost noted on September 3:

4. Wha? I just about fell out of my chair when I read this:


Veteran Rep. John Dingell is telling donors he could be in trouble in November.

"This year I need your maximum financial contribution to my campaign," the Michigan Democrat wrote to supporters in a fundraising letter Thursday.

"Come November 2nd I intend to make sure he is sorely disappointed," Dingell tells his donors.



"My opponent is running with the tea party and he claims he will invest his quite substantial personal fortune in his effort to defeat me. He is running around with a poll showing that I am vulnerable."

That poll, an internal survey for Republican Rob Steele's campaign, puts the challenger in striking distance, down just 51 percent to 42 percent, in a matchup against the longest-serving member of the House.


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Postby S2M » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:14 am

Fact Finder wrote:23 days.....


WASHINGTON -- As if voters don't have enough to be angry about this election year, the government is expected to announce this week that more than 58 million Social Security recipients will go through another year without an increase in their monthly benefits.

It would mark only the second year without an increase since automatic adjustments for inflation were adopted in 1975. The first year was this year.

"If you're the ruling party, this is not the sort of thing you want to have happening two weeks before an election," said Andrew Biggs, a former deputy commissioner at the Social Security Administration and now a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

"It's not the congressional Democrats' fault, but that's the way politics works," Biggs said. "A lot of people will feel hostile about it."

The cost-of-living adjustments, or COLAs, are automatically set each year by an inflation measure that was adopted by Congress back in the 1970s. Based on inflation so far this year, the trustees who oversee Social Security project there will be no COLA for 2011. The projection will be made official on Friday, when the Bureau of Labor Statistics releases inflation estimates for September. The timing couldn't be worse for Democrats as they approach an election in which they are in danger of losing their House majority, and possibly their Senate majority as well.



You are clueless....you think if the repubs gain seats that they are gonna miraculously change things? You are daft!
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:43 am

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You are clueless....you think if the repubs gain seats that they are gonna miraculously change things? You are daft!

The fact that you even used the word "if" shows you're clueless. November is going to make '94 look like a great day for Democrats.

Republicans need enough conservatives elected to the house to starve Obama's disasterous healh care bill. Starve it 2 years until Bamster's term is up. In 2012 the Senate and Presidency will be secured and it'll be repealed. It's the battering ram republicans will use....rightfully so!
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Postby Monker » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:08 am

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Fact Finder wrote:23 days.....


You are clueless....you think if the repubs gain seats that they are gonna miraculously change things? You are daft!

The fact that you even used the word "if" shows you're clueless. November is going to make '94 look like a great day for Democrats.

Republicans need enough conservatives elected to the house to starve Obama's disasterous healh care bill. Starve it 2 years until Bamster's term is up. In 2012 the Senate and Presidency will be secured and it'll be repealed. It's the battering ram republicans will use....rightfully so!


You're wrong...it will not be repealed.
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Postby S2M » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:13 am

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Fact Finder wrote:23 days.....


You are clueless....you think if the repubs gain seats that they are gonna miraculously change things? You are daft!

The fact that you even used the word "if" shows you're clueless. November is going to make '94 look like a great day for Democrats.

Republicans need enough conservatives elected to the house to starve Obama's disasterous healh care bill. Starve it 2 years until Bamster's term is up. In 2012 the Senate and Presidency will be secured and it'll be repealed. It's the battering ram republicans will use....rightfully so!


If you think you republicans can do better, have at it....like I said - NOBODY can run this country. Politicians are too bent on fleecing the public. Public policy is a distant second...
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:14 am

Way to man up to your 2 year wrecking ball disaster of a Presidency. What a SMALL, SMALL community organizer we have leading us into the sewer! Seriously, Obama supporters should be completely embarrassed by this tool!
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Postby RPM » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:42 am

By the end of the year there will be a proposal to raise the age for soc. sec to 70 . AND to reduce
the benefits. For some reason there is NO talk of reducing the fat pensions the lawmakers receive,
for only a few years work that, they they will collect for the rest of their lives. you are deceived or
ignorant if you think this is a partisan issue. They will cut everyone and everything to protect themselves,
and there security. In Illinois they will have to borrow 50 billion soon, not for seniors or schools, for PENSIONS
that cannot be afforded to politicians. They will raise property ,income, sales, any tax that it takes to cover the
MANDATED law of covering their pensions. So men & Women like me will continue working all the hours we can
to take care of our families, (and the illegals) and pensions for elected leaders until we drop dead or win the lotto.
What a country we have become.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:44 pm

RedWingFan wrote:Way to man up to your 2 year wrecking ball disaster of a Presidency. What a SMALL, SMALL community organizer we have leading us into the sewer! Seriously, Obama supporters should be completely embarrassed by this tool!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _work.html


You've posted 39 seconds out of an entire stump speech. Post the entire transcript. I bet Obama did take responsibility, while meting out blame - as he should. Obama's policies have enabled GDP to grow, albeit at a snail's pace. Like the GOP and voters, you seem to hold your fellow MR posters in a similar low regard. This is not a garden variety slump. This is the big one. I see nothing outrageously false here. Anyway you slice it, the president is mostly correct. It was the deregulatory free-market policies championed by the GOP that let an 8 trillion dollar housing bubble inflate and burst. In the aftermath, the GOP has stood against the stimulus, and any form of deficit-financed jobs program, even going so far as to filibuster unemployment benefits. As I said before, I simply CANNOT wait until the GOP/Tea Party takes back Congress and learns that the silver bullet of tax cuts is a blank. Try not to cry into your Earl Grey as economic reality bitchslaps you upside the head.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:23 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Way to man up to your 2 year wrecking ball disaster of a Presidency. What a SMALL, SMALL community organizer we have leading us into the sewer! Seriously, Obama supporters should be completely embarrassed by this tool!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _work.html


You've posted 39 seconds out of an entire stump speech. Post the entire transcript. I bet Obama did take responsibility, while meting out blame - as he should. Obama's policies have enabled GDP to grow, albeit at a snail's pace. Like the GOP and voters, you seem to hold your fellow MR posters in a similar low regard. This is not a garden variety slump. This is the big one. I see nothing outrageously false here. Anyway you slice it, the president is mostly correct. It was the deregulatory free-market policies championed by the GOP that let an 8 trillion dollar housing bubble inflate and burst. In the aftermath, the GOP has stood against the stimulus, and any form of deficit-financed jobs program, even going so far as to filibuster unemployment benefits. As I said before, I simply CANNOT wait until the GOP/Tea Party takes back Congress and learns that the silver bullet of tax cuts is a blank. Try not to cry into your Earl Grey as economic reality bitchslaps you upside the head.


So the Democrats, in power since 2006 in congress, who championed giving loans to everyone with a pulse bear no blame?

I agree that the Republicans didn't put enough safeguards in place to stop a meltdown, but the Democrats surely bear equally in the blame for FORCING (and they did force) the banks to make loans to people who couldn't repay them.

It was a collision of the ideaologies that got us in the mess we are in; no regulation compounded by a government pusing loans to anyone, regardless of ability to repay.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Mon Oct 11, 2010 1:47 pm

RossValoryRocks wrote:So the Democrats, in power since 2006 in congress, who championed giving loans to everyone with a pulse bear no blame?


Hi Stu. Welcome back!

RossValoryRocks wrote:I agree that the Republicans didn't put enough safeguards in place to stop a meltdown, but the Democrats surely bear equally in the blame for FORCING (and they did force) the banks to make loans to people who couldn't repay them.


Depends what we're talking about. If by forced loans you mean Carter's anti-redlining policy of the CRA, those loans actually had a lower default rate, precisely because of federal regulations. Most of the predatory lenders were not bound by the CRA. That aside, I'm not so much concerned with the loans' origination, as I am with them being fraudulently securitized, packaged, graded, and sold around the world by the Too-Big-To-Fail investment firms. On that count, Bush gutted watchdogs like the FDIC and appointed nothing but handmaidens of Wall Street.

RossValoryRocks wrote:It was a collision of the ideaologies that got us in the mess we are in; no regulation compounded by a government pusing loans to anyone, regardless of ability to repay.


As I'm sure you know, I am being slightly hyperbolic. Both parties are too blame. As I've mentioned repeatedly, Bill Clinton is directly culpable in this mess. But I would again argue that actions like the repeal of Glass-Steagall were fueled by a right wing ideology to unharness the financial services industry from burdensome FDR regulations and let the market work.
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Postby RedWingFan » Mon Oct 11, 2010 3:15 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
RedWingFan wrote:Way to man up to your 2 year wrecking ball disaster of a Presidency. What a SMALL, SMALL community organizer we have leading us into the sewer! Seriously, Obama supporters should be completely embarrassed by this tool!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... _work.html


You've posted 39 seconds out of an entire stump speech. Post the entire transcript. I bet Obama did take responsibility, while meting out blame - as he should.

Here you go TNC. Just more of the same finger pointing by the rabble-rousing wrecking ball! Go ahead and point out the "the buck stops here" portion. I could use the laugh!

http://obama-mamas.com/blog/?p=2033
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. Thank you. This is - (applause.) Thank you. Joe, this is a good-looking crowd, man. (Applause.) This is a beautiful crowd on a beautiful day. It’s good to be back here in Pennsylvania.

THE VICE PRESIDENT: And they’re all the way back in the parking lot. They can’t even see you.

THE PRESIDENT: It is good to be back in Pennsylvania, good to be back in Philly. (Applause.) I know part of the reason you’re fired up is because you’ve just heard from one of the finest Vice Presidents we will ever see in this country’s history, Joe Biden. (Applause.) Plus, Joe looks cool in those glasses, too, doesn’t he? (Applause.)

You know, I want you to know, when I was still campaigning, right after I selected Joe, we went out and we were doing some events, small town hall meetings. And everywhere we went with Joe, some woman would come by and say, you know, I think Joe is kind of cute. Can you introduce me to Joe? (Laughter.) That was true. And I had to inform this woman that Joe is married to a wonderful Jill Biden.

In addition to hearing from Joe, I know you’ve heard from Governor Ed Rendell. (Applause.) Senator Arlen Specter is in the house. (Applause.) Senator Bob Casey is in the house. (Applause.) State Treasurer Rob McCord is here. (Applause.) Congressman Chaka Fattah is here. (Applause.) Congressman Joe Sestak is here. (Applause.) Congressman Bob Brady is here. (Applause.) Mayor Michael Nutter is in the house. (Applause.) And we’ve got Allegheny County Executive Dan Onorato is here. (Applause.) I want to thank Pastor Kevin Johnson for the invocation. (Applause.) DJ Diamond Kuts. (Applause.) And give it up for The Roots. (Applause.)

Now, I’m glad to see that this crowd is fired up. Are you fired up?

AUDIENCE: Fired up!

THE PRESIDENT: Are you ready to go?

AUDIENCE: Ready to go!

THE PRESIDENT: I’ve got to make sure you stay fired up. I promise you’ll be out of here to catch the Phillies and the Eagles. (Applause.) I don’t want to get between Philly fans and their sports teams.

Now, Philadelphia, two years ago - two years ago, you defied the conventional wisdom in Washington. They said no, you can’t. They said, no, you can’t overcome the cynicism of politics. No, you can’t overcome the special interests and the big money. No, you can’t take on the big challenges of our time. No, you can’t elect a skinny guy with a funny name to the presidency of the United States. What did you say?

AUDIENCE: Yes, we can!

THE PRESIDENT: That’s what you said.

AUDIENCE: Yes, we can! Yes, we can! Yes, we can!

THE PRESIDENT: But, Philly, I’ve got this message for you today. I want everybody to understand our victory in that campaign, that wasn’t the end of the road. That was just the beginning of the road. That was just the start of the journey. By itself, it does not deliver the change that we need. I know a lot of you thought just because of election night and the inauguration - everybody was having fun and Beyonc� was singing and Bono, and so everybody thought, boy, this is it.

But that was just the start. Because we understood what we were going up against. The only thing that the election did was it gave us the chance to make change happen. It made each of you a shareholder in the mission of rebuilding our country and reclaiming our future. And Philly, I’m back here two years later because our job is not yet done and the success of our mission is at stake right now. On November 2nd, I need you as fired up as you were in 2008. (Applause.)

Because we’ve got a lot of work ahead of us. After that last election, it was my hope that we could pull together, Democrats and Republicans, to confront the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. I hoped that we could get beyond the divisions of red states and blue states. That’s what we thought.

AUDIENCE: Yes, we can! Yes, we can! Yes, we can!

THE PRESIDENT: Because although we are proud to be Democrats, we are prouder to be Americans. (Applause.) And I know there are plenty of Republicans out there in this country who feel the exact same way.

But when we arrived in Washington, the Republicans in Congress, they had a different idea. They knew it would take more than two years to climb out of this recession. They knew that by the time of this election, people would still be out of work. They knew people would still be frustrated. And so what they figured was, if we just sat on the sidelines, if Republicans just opposed everything we said we could do, if they rejected every compromise we offered, if they spent all their time attacking Democrats instead of attacking problems, they figured they might be able to do well in the polls.

So they spent the last 20 months saying no - even to policies that they had supported in the past. They said no to middle-class tax cuts. They said no to help for small businesses. They said no to a bipartisan deficit reduction commission that they had once cosponsored. If I said the sky was blue, they said no. If I said there were fish in the sea, they said no. They figured if Obama fails, then we win. Am I wrong, Joe? That’s exactly what they said.

Now, they may have thought that playing political games would help them win an election, but I knew it wouldn’t get America through the crisis. So I made some different decisions. I took whatever steps were necessary to stop the economic freefall, to stop a second depression - even if those decisions were not popular, even if they were not easy. Because you didn’t elect me to do what was easy. You elected me to do what was right. That’s why you sent me to Washington. (Applause.) You didn’t send me to Washington to put my finger to the wind and figure out which way the wind was blowing, to spend all my time reading the polls. You sent me there to solve problems.

And 20 months later, we no longer face the possibility of a second depression. Our economy is growing again. The private sector created jobs nine months in a row now. There are 3 million Americans who would not be working today if not for the economic plan that Joe and I put into place. That’s the truth. (Applause.)

Now, what’s also the truth is we’ve still got a long way to go. The hole we’re climbing out is so deep, the Republicans messed up so bad, left such a big mess, that there are still millions of Americans without work. I want everybody to understand this, just in case there’s still some undecideds out there. Before I was inaugurated and before Joe was inaugurated, we had lost 4 million jobs in the six months before that. We lost almost 800,000 jobs the month I was sworn in; 600,000 the month after that; 600,000 the month after that. Because any of our economic plans were put into place, we had lost almost 8 million jobs - because of their policies.

And that means that it’s going to take us a while to get out of this hole. There are still millions of Americans who can barely pay their bills. Millions of Americans who are just barely hanging on. Millions of middle-class families, who were struggling even before this crisis hit, and are out there treading water. I know.

So of course people are frustrated. Of course people are impatient with the pace of change. And believe me, so am I. But here’s the thing I need everybody to remember. No matter how angry you get, no matter how frustrated you are, the other side has decided to ride that frustration and anger without offering any solutions.

And, you know, a lot of folks in Washington think that they’re running a smart strategy. They’re saying the other party’s supporters are more enthusiastic, more excited. They say all y’all are going to stay home. You might not come out like you did in 2008. They say you might not care as much. They think, oh, well, Obama’s name is not on the ballot, maybe they’re not going to turn out. They think you’re going to be willing to let the same politicians and the same policies that left our economy in the shambles back to Washington.

Well, Philadelphia, I think the pundits are wrong. I think the pundits are wrong. I think we’re going to win - but you got to prove them wrong. (Applause.) It’s up to you to show the pundits that you care too much about this country to let it fall backwards; that you’re going to keep us moving forward; that you’re ready to fight for your future.

Just, look, everybody, I need you to understand, this election is a choice. And the choice could not be clearer. It’s not as if the Republicans are offering new ideas. It’s not as if the Republican leaders have changed their agenda since the last time they ran Washington. In fact, the chairman of one of their campaign committees promised that if the Republicans take control of Congress, they will follow the exact same agenda they pursued the last time they were in power.

We know what that agenda was. We know what this agenda was. You cut taxes, mostly for millionaires and billionaires. You cut regulations for special interests. You try to bust the unions. You cut back on investments in education and clean energy and research and technology. The basic idea is that if we put our blind faith in the market and we let corporations do whatever they want and we leave everybody else to fend for themselves, then America somehow automatically is going to grow and prosper.

Well, let me tell you something. The problem with their theory is, it didn’t work. We tried it for eight years. It didn’t work for middle-class families who saw their incomes fall and their costs go up when Republicans were in charge. I want everybody to understand, between 2001 and 2009, the wages of middle-class families went down 5 percent. They didn’t go up - they went down. Job growth was the slowest that it had been at any time since World War II - slower than it’s been over the last year. When they were in charge, they took a record surplus from Bill Clinton, and by the time I got there, we had a record deficit. And because of that free-for-all that they had on Wall Street, we’re still digging our way out of the crisis. That’s their track record.
Now, listen, everybody, I don’t bring this up because I want to re-litigate the past. I bring it up because I don’t want to re-live the past. (Applause.) I don’t want to go through what we already gone through. I bring it up because this is the other - this philosophy that the other side intends to bring if they win in November. Republicans might have a new name for it - they call it the Pledge to America - but it’s the same old stuff they’ve been peddling for years.

Let’s take a look at the Pledge to America. Anybody read the Pledge to America? Let me tell you, for starters, it turns out that the pledge was actually written in part by a former lobbyist for AIG and Exxon Mobil. That should tell you something right there. You can’t make that stuff up.

And the centerpiece of the pledge is a $700 billion tax cut that would only go to the top 2 percent, the wealthiest 2 percent of Americans. Ninety-eight percent of you would not get this tax cut, but they would borrow $700 billion from the Chinese or from the Saudis or somebody. That’s their big idea to get the economy moving again. These are the same folks who lecture us on fiscal responsibility, but now they want to borrow $700 billion to give a tax cut worth an average of $100,000 to millionaires and billionaires.

When you ask them, where are you going to get the money, they say, well, we don’t have it. But mostly, they’re going to borrow it from other countries. And just to pay for a small part of it, they want to cut education by 20 percent.

AUDIENCE: Boo!

THE PRESIDENT: They would reduce financial aid for 8 million college students.

AUDIENCE: Boo!

THE PRESIDENT: Now, Philadelphia, at a time when the education of our country’s citizens is one of the most important things for economic success, the notion that we would give out tax cuts to folks who don’t need and sacrifice the next generation, that does not make any sense at all.

I want to ask my Republican friends, do you think China is cutting back on education? Do you think South Korea or Germany or India are cutting back on education? Those countries aren’t playing for second place. They’re playing for first place. Guess what? America does not play for second place either. We play for first place. (Applause.)

So, Philly, as long as I’m President, we’re not going to let Washington politicians sacrifice your education for a tax cut we can’t afford. And that is a choice in this election.

Joe and I, we’ve got a different idea about what the next two years should look like, and it’s an idea rooted in our belief about how this country was built. We know government doesn’t have all the answers to all our problems. We know the private sector is primarily responsible for creating jobs and prosperity. I believe government should be lean and efficient, and I don’t want anybody in Washington wasting your taxpayer dollars. That’s why I proposed a three-year spending freeze, set up a bipartisan fiscal commission to deal with our deficit.

But in the words of our first Republican President, named Abraham Lincoln, we also believe that government should do what people can’t do better by themselves. We believe in a country that rewards hard work and responsibility. We believe in a country where we look after one another. We believe in a country where working people can come together so they can get a minimum wage and better working conditions. We believe that I am my brother’s keeper, I am my sister’s keeper - that everybody deserves a fair shot at the American Dream. That’s the America I know. That’s the choice in this election. (Applause.)

We want to make permanent - we want to make permanent tax cuts for the middle class, because you deserve a break. Instead of the other side’s plan to keep giving tax breaks to companies that are shipping jobs overseas, I want to give those tax breaks to companies that are investing right here in the United States of America. (Applause.) I want to give it to small businesses and to American manufacturers and to clean energy companies. I don’t want solar panels and wind turbines and electric cars built in Europe or Asia. I want them built here in the United States of America by American workers. (Applause.)

Instead of cutting education and student aid, we want to make our new college tax credit permanent - (applause) - $10,000 in tuition relief for each young person who goes to college. (Applause.) We’re going to fight to keep the reforms we’ve made to the student loan system, because thanks to those reforms, tens of billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies that would be going to banks right now are going to students. That’s where they belong. (Applause.)

If the other side wins, they’ll try their hardest to give rein back to the insurance companies and the credit card companies and the Wall Street banks that we’re finally holding accountable. We can’t let them do that. We can’t go back to the days of taxpayer-funded bailouts. We can’t go back to the day when credit card companies could just jack up your rates without any reason, or insurance companies could deny or drop your coverage just because you get sick.

We need to keep that new law in place that says if you’re looking for a job or have a job that doesn’t offer you coverage and you’re a young person, you can stay on your parents’ insurance until you’re 26 years old, and that they can’t drop your coverage just because you get sick. (Applause.) That’s the choice in this election, Philadelphia. That’s what’s at stake right now.

So, Philly, it comes down to this. Many of the Republicans who are running right now, these are the exact same folks who spent the last decade driving our economy into a ditch. And once we were elected, Joe and I, we put on our boots, we went down into that ditch. It was muddy and dusty down there and it was hot. And we started pushing on that car to get it out of the ditch. And we had a whole bunch of folks like Joe Sestak helping us push that car out of the ditch. (Applause.)

And every once in a while, we’d look up at the Republicans. They were - they had driven into the ditch, but they had gotten out and they were kind of taking a break, fanning themselves and sipping on a Slurpee, watching us do all the work. And every once in a while they’d say, why don’t you push harder? You’re not pushing the right way, Obama. But they didn’t help.

And after pushing and pushing over these last 20 months, finally we’ve got that car out of the ditch. (Applause.) Now, the car is a little dented up. The fender is a little busted. It needs a tune-up. But it’s moving. It’s pointing in the right direction. We’re on level ground now. We’re starting to make repairs. And suddenly we get a tap on our shoulder and we look back and who is it? It’s the Republicans. And they say - what are they saying? - they say, we want the keys back.

AUDIENCE: No!

THE PRESIDENT: Philadelphia, they can’t have the keys back. They don’t know how to drive. (Applause.) They don’t know how to drive. They can ride with us if they want, but they got to get in the back seat. (Applause.) Because we want to go forward. We don’t want the special interests riding shotgun. We want working families, middle-class families, up front. They’re our priority.

I just want everybody to notice, when you get in your car and you want to go forward? You put the car in D. If you’re going backwards, what do you do? You put the car in R. That’s not a coincidence. You want to ride forward, put it in D on November 2nd. (Applause.)

But, listen - listen, can I just say, at the end of the day, Philly, whether the Republicans get the keys back or not is going to depend on you. There is no question - there’s no question the other side sees a chance to get back in the driver’s seat.

And thanks to a Supreme Court decision called Citizens United, they are being helped along this year by special interest groups that are spending unlimited amounts of money on attack ads - attacking folks like Patrick Murphy, attacking folks like Joe Sestak - just attacking people without ever disclosing who’s behind all these attack ads. You don’t know. It could be the oil industry. It could be the insurance industry. It could even be foreign-owned corporations. You don’t know because they don’t have to disclose.

Now, that’s not just a threat to Democrats - that’s a threat to our democracy. Every American business and industry deserves a seat at the table, but they don’t get to a chance to buy every chair. We’ve seen what happens when they do. They put the entire economy at risk and every American might end up suffering.

So you can’t let it happen. Don’t let them hijack your agenda. The American people deserve to know who’s trying to sway their elections. And you can’t stand by and let special interests drown out the voices of the American people. (Applause.)

So, Philadelphia, that’s why I need you working even harder in this election than you did in the last election. We need you to fight their millions of dollars with our millions of voices. (Applause.) I look out on this crowd and I see millions of voices all across the country. We’ve got to finish what we started in 2008. Because if everybody who fought so hard for change in 2008 shows up to vote in 2010, I am absolutely confident we will win. And most of the polls say the same thing.

See, what the other side is counting on, what they’re counting on is you’re going to stay home. They’re counting on your silence. They’re counting on your amnesia. They’re counting on your apathy. They’re counting on young people staying home and union members staying home and black folks staying home and middle-class families staying home. They’re counting on the fact that they made the argument so ugly in Washington that you just completely turned off and you’re not going to vote for anybody. And if that happens, they win.

Philly, let’s prove them wrong. (Applause.) Let’s show Washington one more time change doesn’t come from the top - it comes from the bottom. It doesn’t come from millions of dollars of ads - it comes because people are out there knocking on doors, making phone calls, going into the beauty shops, going into the barber shops. We have come - I know we’re a long way from the day, the hope and excitement we all felt on election night. We’re far from inauguration day. But I always told you it was going to take time. I always told you it was going to be hard. Because change has always been hard.

But from the first days as our nation, every time Americans have tried to bring about real, meaningful change, we’ve faced down setbacks, we’ve faced down disappointments. We have faced fear and we have faced down doubt. As Americans, we’ve always moved forward. We’ve always kept fighting. We’ve always remembered that in the United States of America, our destiny is not written for us - it is written by us.

That’s how we came through war. That’s how we came through depression. That’s how we got civil rights legislation. That’s how we got workers’ rights. That’s how we got women’s rights. It’s being tested right now, but if you keep moving forward in the face of difficulty, I promise you we will not lose this election. We will win this election. And we will make sure that every American has the opportunity to live out the American Dream.

God bless you, and God bless the United States of America. (Applause.)
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Postby Rick » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:10 am

I got this in an email today and thought it might give you all something to debate. :lol:


Frank Schaeffer is a New York Times best selling author.

Obama Will Triumph -- So Will America
By Frank Schaeffer

Before he'd served even one year President Obama lost the support of the easily distracted left and engendered the white hot rage of the hate-filled right. But some of us, from all walks of life and ideological backgrounds -- including this white, straight, 57-year-old, former religious right wing agitator, now progressive writer and (given my background as the son of a famous evangelical leader) this unlikely Obama supporter -- are sticking with our President. Why?-- because he is succeeding.

We faithful Obama supporters still trust our initial impression of him as a great, good and uniquely qualified man to lead us.

Obama's steady supporters will be proved right. Obama's critics will be remembered as easily panicked and prematurely discouraged at best and shriveled hate mongers at worst.

The Context of the Obama Presidency

Not since the days of the rise of fascism in Europe, the Second World War and the Depression has any president faced more adversity. Not since the Civil War has any president led a more bitterly divided country. Not since the introduction of racial integration has any president faced a more consistently short-sighted and willfully ignorant opposition - from both the right and left.

As the President's poll numbers have fallen so has his support from some on the left that were hailing him as a Messiah not long ago; all those lefty websites and commentators that were falling all over themselves on behalf of our first black president during the 2008 election.

The left's lack of faith has become a self-fulfilling "prophecy"-- snipe at the President and then watch the poll numbers fall and then pretend you didn't have anything to do with it!

Here is what Obama faced when he took office -- none of which was his fault:

# An ideologically divided country to the point that America was really two countries.

# Two wars; one that was mishandled from the start, the other that was unnecessary and immoral.

# The worst economic crisis since the depression.

# America's standing in the world at the lowest point in history.

# A country that had been misled into accepting the use of torture of prisoners of war.

# A health care system in free fall.

# An educational system in free fall.

# A global environmental crisis of history-altering proportions (about which the Bush administration and the Republicans had done nothing).

# An impasse between culture warriors from the right and left.

# A huge financial deficit inherited from the terminally irresponsible Bush administration.

And those were only some of the problems sitting on the President's desk!

"Help" from the Right?

What did the Republicans and the religious right, libertarians and half-baked conspiracy theorists -- that is what the Republicans were reduced to by the time Obama took office -- do to "help" our new president (and our country) succeed? They claimed that he wasn't a real American, didn't have an American birth certificate, wasn't born here, was secretly a Muslim, was white-hating "racist", was secretly a communist, was actually the Anti-Christ(!), and was a reincarnation of Hitler and wanted "death panels" to kill the elderly!

They not-so-subtly called for his assassination through the not-so-subtle use of vile signs held at their rallies and even a bumper sticker quoting Psalm 109:8. They organized "tea parties" to sound off against imagined insults and all government in general and gathered to howl at the moon. They were led by insurance industry lobbyists and deranged (but well financed) "commentators" from Glenn Beck to Rush Limbaugh.

The utterly discredited Roman Catholic bishops teamed up with the utterly discredited evangelical leaders to denounce a president who was trying to actually do something about the poor, the environment, to diminish the number of abortions through compassionate programs to help women and to care for the sick! And in Congress the Republican leadership only knew one word: "No!"

In other words the reactionary white, rube, uneducated, crazy American far right, combined with the educated but obtuse neoconservative war mongers, religious right shills for big business, libertarian Fed Reserve-hating gold bug, gun-loving crazies, child-molesting acquiescent "bishops", frontier loons and evangelical gay-hating flakes found one thing to briefly unite them: their desire to stop an uppity black man from succeeding at all costs!

"Help" from the Left?

What did the left do to help their newly elected president? Some of them excoriated the President because they disagreed with the bad choices he was being forced to make regarding a war in Afghanistan that he'd inherited from the worst president in modern history!

Others stood up and bravely proclaimed that the President's economic policies had "failed" before the President even instituted them! Others said that since all gay rights battles had not been fully won within virtually minutes of the President taking office, they'd been "betrayed"! (Never mind that Obama's vocal support to the gay community is stronger than any other president's has been. Never mind that he signed a new hate crimes law!)

Those that had stood in transfixed legions weeping with beatific emotion on election night turned into an angry mob saying how "disappointed" they were that they'd not all immediately been translated to heaven the moment Obama stepped into the White House! Where was the "change"? Contrary to their expectations they were still mere mortals!

And the legion of young new supporters was too busy texting to pay attention for longer than a nanosecond. "Governing"?! What the hell does that word, uh, like mean?"

The President's critics left and right all had one thing in common: impatience laced with little-to-no sense of history (let alone reality) thrown in for good measure. Then of course there were the white, snide know-it-all commentators/talking heads who just couldn't imagine that maybe, just maybe they weren't as smart as they thought they were and certainly not as smart as their president. He hadn't consulted them, had he? So he must be wrong!

The Obama critics' ideological ideas defined their idea of reality rather than reality defining their ideas-say, about what is possible in one year in office after the hand that the President had been dealt by fate, or to be exact by the American idiot nation that voted Bush into office. twice!

Meanwhile back in the reality-based community - in just 12 short months -- President Obama:

#Continued to draw down the misbegotten war in Iraq.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Thoughtfully and decisively picked the best of several bad choices regarding the war in Afghanistan.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Gave a major precedent-setting speech supporting gay rights.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Restored America 's image around the globe.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Banned torture of American prisoners.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Stopped the free fall of the American economy.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Put the USA squarely back in the bilateral international community.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Put the USA squarely into the middle of the international effort to halt global warming.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Stood up for educational reform.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Won a Nobel peace prize.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Moved the trial of terrorists back into the American judicial system of checks and balances.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Did what had to be done to start the slow, torturous and almost impossible process of health care reform that 7 presidents had failed to even begin.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Responded to hatred from the right and left with measured good humor and patience.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Stopped the free fall of job losses.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Showed immense personal courage in the face of an armed and dangerous far right opposition that included the sort of disgusting people that show up at public meetings carrying loaded weapons and carrying Timothy McVeigh-inspired signs about the "blood of tyrants" needing to "water the tree of liberty".
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

#Showed that he could not only make the tough military choices but explain and defend them brilliantly.
(But that wasn't good enough for his critics)

Other than those "disappointing" accomplishments -- IN ONE YEAR -- President Obama "failed"! Other than that he didn't "live up to expectations"!

Who actually has failed...

...are the Americans that can't see the beginning of a miracle of national rebirth right under their jaded noses. Who failed are the smart ass ideologues of the left and right who began rooting for this President to fail so that they could be proved right in their dire and morbid predictions. Who failed are the movers and shakers behind our obscenely dumb news cycles that have turned "news" into just more stupid entertainment for an entertainment-besotted infantile country.

Here's the good news: President Obama is succeeding without the help of his lefty "supporters" or hate-filled Republican detractors!

The Future Looks Good!

After Obama has served two full terms, (and he will), after his wisdom in moving deliberately and cautiously with great subtlety on all fronts -- with a canny and calculating eye to the possible succeeds, (it will), after the economy is booming and new industries are burgeoning, (they will be), after the doomsayers are all proved not just wrong but silly: let the record show that not all Americans were panicked into thinking the sky was falling.

Just because we didn't get everything we wanted in the first short and fraught year Obama was in office not all of us gave up. Some of us stayed the course. And we will be proved right.
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Postby Monker » Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:44 am

Rick wrote:Who actually has failed...

...are the Americans that can't see the beginning of a miracle of national rebirth right under their jaded noses. Who failed are the smart ass ideologues of the left and right who began rooting for this President to fail so that they could be proved right in their dire and morbid predictions. Who failed are the movers and shakers behind our obscenely dumb news cycles that have turned "news" into just more stupid entertainment for an entertainment-besotted infantile country.


I just want to respond to this one bit.

To point the finger at everybody else and say they are to blame is WRONG.

Obama and his supporters 'failed' by not standing up and defending their positions as vehemently as those who were spewing forth the lies of Limbaugh and Beck. How many times do the Democrats need to learn the lesson that attacks need a quick and decisive response? How many times do they have to learn that people are stupid and if a lie is repeated enough times without an argument against it that people start believing it? How many times do they have to learn that when a true accomplishment has been made that it is not enough to cite it in one speech, but you need to repeat it over and over again until the public 'gets it'.

That is the real reason why the Democrats are losing...they are pussies who run from a real fight. So, they will lose the House this year because of it. Nothing will get done because the loony radical right Republicans have taken over that party and will have a huge number of votes in congress. So, I will expect a showdown in the same way that Clinton had with Newt. And, if Obama backs down and lets the Republicans win fights over the budget and such, then he will lose reelection. If he fights for the principals he was elected for, and explains it clearly to the people, then the Republicans will lose and he be reelected - just as what happened with Clinton.
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Postby Saint John » Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:50 am

Obama isn't insulting voters as much as he's telling the truth. Your typical democrat is an uneducated, city-dwelling, government dependent, unemployed welfare recipient. These people are dumb and easily confused. The independents and moderates aren't turned off by his telling of the truth. They're turned off by the fact that after 20 months, most things he promised to improve are just as bad, or, in many cases, worse.
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