President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Saint John]

... that vile and disgusting pig, Pelosi, was just re-elected by her brain dead party.

[conversationpc]

All in state pay the same amount. All out of state pay the same. Sounds like your arguement is with the system itself and not the illegals.

My argument is with both...Illegals are just that, "illegal". Except for emergency medical care, they should not receive ANY benefits that a normal citizen gets, including tuition to a college or university.

[Saint John]

All in state pay the same amount. All out of state pay the same. Sounds like your arguement is with the system itself and not the illegals.

My argument is with both...Illegals are just that, "illegal". Except for emergency medical care, they should not receive ANY benefits that a normal citizen gets, including tuition to a college or university.

Fuck that ... they should not receive any benefits, period. Nothing. They're criminals. There's a legal way to enter the country and anyone that cannot abide by and respect that system should receive nothing. They should be imprisoned or deported. Any second offense should begin with a minimum 10 year prison sentence and go as far as the death penalty for violent offenses.

[Rockindeano]

All in state pay the same amount. All out of state pay the same. Sounds like your arguement is with the system itself and not the illegals.

My argument is with both...Illegals are just that, "illegal". Except for emergency medical care, they should not receive ANY benefits that a normal citizen gets, including tuition to a college or university.

Fuck that ... they should not receive any benefits, period. Nothing. They're criminals. There's a legal way to enter the country and anyone that cannot abide by and respect that system should receive nothing. They should be imprisoned or deported. Any second offense should begin with a minimum 10 year prison sentence and go as far as the death penalty for violent offenses.

I see you have softened your stance on Illegals. Before you had said we should just "shoot them in the fucking head." You are getting soft, brother.

I say fuck them too. It's amazing that anyone could ever even think about giving these assholes free or discounted higher education over its' own citizens is wrong on every level. makes me sick.

[Rockindeano]

On another note, Dianne Fienstien and Barbara Boxer have told the Federal Government that if the Governors of Ohio and Florida do not want their 4 billion dollars for high speed rail, California will take it. Looks like it will happen too. Thank you Ohio and Florida, you dumbassed states.

[S2M]

In other news, GM is set to start it's IPO....stay tuned for the outrage and controversy....

[slucero]

And Greece is disintegrating again...

[rsimpson]

All in state pay the same amount. All out of state pay the same. Sounds like your arguement is with the system itself and not the illegals.

My argument is with both...Illegals are just that, "illegal". Except for emergency medical care, they should not receive ANY benefits that a normal citizen gets, including tuition to a college or university.

Fuck that ... they should not receive any benefits, period. Nothing. They're criminals. There's a legal way to enter the country and anyone that cannot abide by and respect that system should receive nothing. They should be imprisoned or deported. Any second offense should begin with a minimum 10 year prison sentence and go as far as the death penalty for violent offenses.

That last line should apply to all people regardless of status

[Saint John]

All in state pay the same amount. All out of state pay the same. Sounds like your arguement is with the system itself and not the illegals.

My argument is with both...Illegals are just that, "illegal". Except for emergency medical care, they should not receive ANY benefits that a normal citizen gets, including tuition to a college or university.

Fuck that ... they should not receive any benefits, period. Nothing. They're criminals. There's a legal way to enter the country and anyone that cannot abide by and respect that system should receive nothing. They should be imprisoned or deported. Any second offense should begin with a minimum 10 year prison sentence and go as far as the death penalty for violent offenses.

That last line should apply to all people regardless of status

Are you fucking high? You think a guy that gets a second arrest for, say, public intoxication should get a minimum of 10 years in jail?

[Monker]

Oh, please, that's just not true. If you had saved your money and invested all of it when Obama took office, you would have made a killing. You invest after a crash, and play it safe during a boom. The Dow in January 2009 was around 8000. Where is it now? You are lying to yourself if you think you would have not made a lot of money - especially if you chose your investments wisely.

No, there's some truth to what he's showing there. It doesn't tell the whole story and people have been making some money in the stock market recently but it is true that inflation has an effect on those prices, meaning the investments aren't worth quite as much as they would have been otherwise.

Oh, yeah, sure, there has been SOOOO MUCH inflation between January 2009 and today. Yeah, right!

You are such a dumbass...I said there was SOME truth to what he was saying, moron. Learn how to read and understand plain English, for crying out loud, instead of what you WANT to hear.

Answer the question - how much inflation has there been between 2009 and today. Geez, talk about a dumbass. You have no point at all with your comment.

[rsimpson]

All in state pay the same amount. All out of state pay the same. Sounds like your arguement is with the system itself and not the illegals.

My argument is with both...Illegals are just that, "illegal". Except for emergency medical care, they should not receive ANY benefits that a normal citizen gets, including tuition to a college or university.

Fuck that ... they should not receive any benefits, period. Nothing. They're criminals. There's a legal way to enter the country and anyone that cannot abide by and respect that system should receive nothing. They should be imprisoned or deported. Any second offense should begin with a minimum 10 year prison sentence and go as far as the death penalty for violent offenses.

That last line should apply to all people regardless of status

Are you fucking high? You think a guy that gets a second arrest for, say, public intoxication should get a minimum of 10 years in jail?

I was refering to violent offenses part.

[Saint John]

I was refering to violent offenses part.

Ok. But my point still stands. These illegal fucks should be punished much harder than our tax paying citizens. They're criminals upon their entry into this country. That means that they have never been, not for one fucking second, anything but a criminal in The United States Of America.

First offense should be deportation, second offense should be 10 years in solitary confinement and a third offense should be the death penalty. Additionally, our country should have a wall around it and it should be guarded with a "shoot to kill" directive.

[S2M]

I was refering to violent offenses part.

Ok. But my point still stands. These illegal fucks should be punished much harder than our tax paying citizens. They're criminals upon their entry into this country. That means that they have never been, not for one fucking second, anything but a criminal in The United States Of America.

First offense should be deportation, second offense should be 10 years in solitary confinement and a third offense should be the death penalty. Additionally, our country should have a wall around it and it should be guarded with a "shoot to kill" directive.

You can blame Emma Lazarus for the shit happening today....tired...poor....huddled masses....WRETCHED REFUSE is fucking right!

What a BIOTCH!

[Monker]

As much as I hate to say this...Monker is right...

If you have put all your extra money in to a Dow indexed fund when Obama took office you would have made a HUGE gains.

The down when Obama was sworn in was 7949.09...Close on Friday 11193.

About a 41% gain over time...pretty good...If you held it that long...

Yeah, but NONE of that counts. They can't have it both ways. You can't claim that you're "getting out of the mess Bush started" every time one of your pre-presidency projections fails (more jobs, less unemployment, cutting the budget) and then claim "Hey, look at that Dow!!!" Cherry-picking isn't allowed.

That was NOT my point. I'm not claiming this huge recovery, blah, blah, blah. I said we were out of the recession - months ago, and we were/are. But, that is about as far as I've gone. If you can find me making those type of positive comments about the economy - quote them, cuz I'd like to see them. If you can't, you are exaggerating and/or are ignorant of what you are talking about.

YOU wrote, "Save every penny you can and you'll have a chance to buy everything for pennies on the dollar when the system crashes."

My point was, and is, the SYSTEM CRASHED under Bush/Republicans. If you are serious about saving until the system crashes and investing when the prices are low - you are too late because it already did crash. In fact, you are an idiot if you are not investing in your 401k and mutual funds RIGHT NOW.

I think you are also a hypocrite because when it DID crash I do believe you were the first to say you were going to up your 401k contributions in anticipation of the big rise. The problem is - that did not happen until after Bush was out of office and we were months into the Obama presidency.

So, quit talking out of both sides of your mouth. The crash happened under Bush, not Obama. Is everything roses? No. But, it is also not as bad as it was in the final months under Bush...especially the Dow.

[Monker]

As much as I hate to say this...Monker is right...

If you have put all your extra money in to a Dow indexed fund when Obama took office you would have made a HUGE gains.

The down when Obama was sworn in was 7949.09...Close on Friday 11193.

About a 41% gain over time...pretty good...If you held it that long...

Yeah, but NONE of that counts. They can't have it both ways. You can't claim that you're "getting out of the mess Bush started" every time one of your pre-presidency projections fails (more jobs, less unemployment, cutting the budget) and then claim "Hey, look at that Dow!!!" Cherry-picking isn't allowed.

On a more fundamental level, the only index that matters at this point is jobs. I havent' looked at the latest national employment numbers, but in Ohio, we are still up over 10%. That or anything near it is totally unacceptable in America. The day an absurd figure like that becomes acceptable is the day we cease to be the country we once were.

These nitwits need to quit extending unemployment. There are jobs out there, but people simply aren't going to fill them unless it's worth it. Here's a perfect example. My friend is a union electrician and makes almost $40 an hour. His unemployment pays him roughly $1,100 every two weeks. He has applied for, and been accepted, by jobs that pay roughly the same (he didn't know the pay until he was offered the job). But why would he go work for the same amount of money when he can sit on his ass and collect the same amount? Until they cut his unemployment, I suspect he'll continue to sit on his fat ass.

I would rather see the unemployment extensions then extending the tax breaks for those making over $250,000.

And, BTW, if the Republicans are able to end the extensions, I think it will be a good thing for the Democratic party. Maybe it will wake them up and put them into a fighting mood.

[Monker]

All in state pay the same amount. All out of state pay the same. Sounds like your arguement is with the system itself and not the illegals.

My argument is with both...Illegals are just that, "illegal". Except for emergency medical care, they should not receive ANY benefits that a normal citizen gets, including tuition to a college or university.

Fuck that ... they should not receive any benefits, period. Nothing. They're criminals. There's a legal way to enter the country and anyone that cannot abide by and respect that system should receive nothing. They should be imprisoned or deported. Any second offense should begin with a minimum 10 year prison sentence and go as far as the death penalty for violent offenses.

Yeah, throw them all in our already crowded prison system....and pay for their meals and medical care anyway, and force us to build more prison space. Very costly and dumb idea.

If they are here illegally, send them back...or to Canada, whichever.

[Saint John]

I think you are also a hypocrite because when it DID crash I do believe you were the first to say you were going to up your 401k contributions in anticipation of the big rise. The problem is - that did not happen until after Bush was out of office and we were months into the Obama presidency.

Here you go again. Giving Obama the credit only "months into his presidency," but when you see all of the other poor numbers, even as far as today, you cite that those are Bush's fault. So, in short, you want to give Obama credit for anything good and Bush the blame for anything bad. Nice.

And for the record, I bailed on 401k contributions when the Dow came back down to 10,000. Cash is king and scooping up real estate, sometimes at a 60% discount, is where the real money's at.

[Monker]

You are so dumb. It is easy to cherry pick statistics to make whatever point you want.

What was the over all inflation rate for the past year? I'll bet it is < %3.

Oh, please, that's just not true. If you had saved your money and invested all of it when Obama took office, you would have made a killing. You invest after a crash, and play it safe during a boom. The Dow in January 2009 was around 8000. Where is it now? You are lying to yourself if you think you would have not made a lot of money - especially if you chose your investments wisely.

No, there's some truth to what he's showing there. It doesn't tell the whole story and people have been making some money in the stock market recently but it is true that inflation has an effect on those prices, meaning the investments aren't worth quite as much as they would have been otherwise.

Oh, yeah, sure, there has been SOOOO MUCH inflation between January 2009 and today. Yeah, right!

You are such a dumbass...I said there was SOME truth to what he was saying, moron. Learn how to read and understand plain English, for crying out loud, instead of what you WANT to hear.

Answer the question - how much inflation has there been between 2009 and today. Geez, talk about a dumbass. You have no point at all with your comment.

It may be easier to count blessings than dollars this Thanksgiving, as Americans will be shelling out more money than ever to put food on their Turkey Day table.

Prices for all of the holiday trimmings, from the turkey and sweet potatoes to the pumpkin for the pie, have soared, in some cases up 33 percent, according to the Food Institute.

One reason is that farmers have to pay more to raise and grow the food, and then they pass their increased costs on to the consumer.

The honored guest -- the turkey -- will cost an average of 79 cents to $1.05 per pound this year, pushing the cost of a 16-pound bird up by about $4.

Bill Mattos, president of the California Poultry Federation, says the primary reason for this increase is that more corn is being used to produce ethanol, raising the cost of every ear and leaving fewer kernels to the turkeys.

“Sixty percent of the cost of raising turkeys is the feed, and if corn prices continue to rise, there is no way a farmer can raise the livestock and make a profit,” Mattos said.

Global demand and a grain shortage have driven prices up further, and as supply goes down, it costs farmers more to feed their turkeys.

Government data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture show that poultry production will decline 1.3 percent this year to about five and a half billion pounds. This means supermarkets will not be supplied with as many turkeys as they requested, and that will lower overall sale numbers and increase the price per bird.

But Mattos said shoppers should note that the government's bean counters do not incorporate holiday discounting in their price estimates, and the weeks leading up to Thanksgiving remain the best time of the year to find a deal.

“Grocery stores often offer deals like a free frozen turkey to customers who have spent a certain amount on groceries in their store,” Mattos said. But he said consumers are unlikely to find deals on premium fresh, free range, organic, or heritage turkeys, and they will pay 3 percent to 5 percent more for those birds.

“Grocery stores and retailers know that people are willing to pay more for these premium birds and they are not as easily stored as frozen poultry,” Mattos said.

Ordinarily, Thanksgiving is a windfall for turkey farmers. But not this year.

Tom Reynolds of Farmer Tom's Farm Fresh, located in Reisterstown, Md., knows this first hand.

"My profit margin will be down 20 to 30 percent because my feed costs went up 20 to 30 percent. It's just that simple,” Reynolds told MyFoxDC.com.

He said his flock of 2,300 turkeys ate $3,000 worth of feed last week, and he's waiting for another $4,000 delivery to get him through the next 10 days.

Foreseeing a slim return on his turkey flock is tough to take.

"It's getting awful difficult,” Reynolds said. “It's a tough time for everybody right now. I have to figure out a way that this farm is sustainable. Not only for me, but for the next guy who gets it or the next person who gets it."

The price of turkey is not the only thing to flap about -- that sweet potato and marshmallow casserole is going up in price as well. Those potatoes will cost you around $2.50 more a pound.

And no Thanksgiving is complete without pumpkin pie, but the price for canned pumpkin is up 6 percent. Other menu spikes: Potatoes are up, from $3.50 to $4 for a 5-pound bag; pecan halves are up 41 percent, from $4.25 to $6 per pound; onions are up 23 percent.

Luckily, some fruit and veggie prices have seen a decrease, but not enough to offset the rise in the price of other table goodies. September’s overall Consumer Price Index indicates that retail food prices are up 1.4 percent from September 2009. These reduced-price goods include celery (down 35 percent), frozen carrots (down 5 percent), canned green beans (down 6 percent) and fresh cranberries (down 3 percent).

Peter Furey of the New Jersey Farm Bureau explained that farmers generally make only 19 cents for every dollar spent on their farmed goods. “This is important to point out because the slight increase in Consumer Price Index may not be coming from the farm, but from packaging, advertising or transportation of those goods," he says.

He says a good option for affordable food is to shop at your local farmers market. “The U.S. has a very competitive agriculture industry that is constantly improving, making fresh food readily available -- especially through the buy local movement,” Furey said.

You may not only be spending more on the ingredients this year, but it's going to cost you more to get to grandma’s house, too. Gasoline costs 5 percent more than last year. And you'll want to hope for warm weather, because natural gas prices are 3.7 percent higher and electricity rates are up 1.5 percent.

[Monker]

Just from a quick Google, I see it is barely over %1. Geez, no wonder people call you LieFinder.

You are so dumb. It is easy to cherry pick statistics to make whatever point you want.

What was the over all inflation rate for the past year? I'll bet it is < %3.

Oh, please, that's just not true. If you had saved your money and invested all of it when Obama took office, you would have made a killing. You invest after a crash, and play it safe during a boom. The Dow in January 2009 was around 8000. Where is it now? You are lying to yourself if you think you would have not made a lot of money - especially if you chose your investments wisely.

No, there's some truth to what he's showing there. It doesn't tell the whole story and people have been making some money in the stock market recently but it is true that inflation has an effect on those prices, meaning the investments aren't worth quite as much as they would have been otherwise.

Oh, yeah, sure, there has been SOOOO MUCH inflation between January 2009 and today. Yeah, right!

You are such a dumbass...I said there was SOME truth to what he was saying, moron. Learn how to read and understand plain English, for crying out loud, instead of what you WANT to hear.

Answer the question - how much inflation has there been between 2009 and today. Geez, talk about a dumbass. You have no point at all with your comment.

It may be easier to count blessings than dollars this Thanksgiving, as Americans will be shelling out more money than ever to put food on their Turkey Day table.

Prices for all of the holiday trimmings, from the turkey and sweet potatoes to the pumpkin for the pie, have soared, in some cases up 33 percent, according to the Food Institute.

One reason is that farmers have to pay more to raise and grow the food, and then they pass their increased costs on to the consumer.

The honored guest -- the turkey -- will cost an average of 79 cents to $1.05 per pound this year, pushing the cost of a 16-pound bird up by about $4.

Bill Mattos, president of the California Poultry Federation, says the primary reason for this increase is that more corn is being used to produce ethanol, raising the cost of every ear and leaving fewer kernels to the turkeys.

“Sixty percent of the cost of raising turkeys is the feed, and if corn prices continue to rise, there is no way a farmer can raise the livestock and make a profit,” Mattos said.

Global demand and a grain shortage have driven prices up further, and as supply goes down, it costs farmers more to feed their turkeys.

Government data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture show that poultry production will decline 1.3 percent this year to about five and a half billion pounds. This means supermarkets will not be supplied with as many turkeys as they requested, and that will lower overall sale numbers and increase the price per bird.

But Mattos said shoppers should note that the government's bean counters do not incorporate holiday discounting in their price estimates, and the weeks leading up to Thanksgiving remain the best time of the year to find a deal.

“Grocery stores often offer deals like a free frozen turkey to customers who have spent a certain amount on groceries in their store,” Mattos said. But he said consumers are unlikely to find deals on premium fresh, free range, organic, or heritage turkeys, and they will pay 3 percent to 5 percent more for those birds.

“Grocery stores and retailers know that people are willing to pay more for these premium birds and they are not as easily stored as frozen poultry,” Mattos said.

Ordinarily, Thanksgiving is a windfall for turkey farmers. But not this year.

Tom Reynolds of Farmer Tom's Farm Fresh, located in Reisterstown, Md., knows this first hand.

"My profit margin will be down 20 to 30 percent because my feed costs went up 20 to 30 percent. It's just that simple,” Reynolds told MyFoxDC.com.

He said his flock of 2,300 turkeys ate $3,000 worth of feed last week, and he's waiting for another $4,000 delivery to get him through the next 10 days.

Foreseeing a slim return on his turkey flock is tough to take.

"It's getting awful difficult,” Reynolds said. “It's a tough time for everybody right now. I have to figure out a way that this farm is sustainable. Not only for me, but for the next guy who gets it or the next person who gets it."

The price of turkey is not the only thing to flap about -- that sweet potato and marshmallow casserole is going up in price as well. Those potatoes will cost you around $2.50 more a pound.

And no Thanksgiving is complete without pumpkin pie, but the price for canned pumpkin is up 6 percent. Other menu spikes: Potatoes are up, from $3.50 to $4 for a 5-pound bag; pecan halves are up 41 percent, from $4.25 to $6 per pound; onions are up 23 percent.

Luckily, some fruit and veggie prices have seen a decrease, but not enough to offset the rise in the price of other table goodies. September’s overall Consumer Price Index indicates that retail food prices are up 1.4 percent from September 2009. These reduced-price goods include celery (down 35 percent), frozen carrots (down 5 percent), canned green beans (down 6 percent) and fresh cranberries (down 3 percent).

Peter Furey of the New Jersey Farm Bureau explained that farmers generally make only 19 cents for every dollar spent on their farmed goods. “This is important to point out because the slight increase in Consumer Price Index may not be coming from the farm, but from packaging, advertising or transportation of those goods," he says.

He says a good option for affordable food is to shop at your local farmers market. “The U.S. has a very competitive agriculture industry that is constantly improving, making fresh food readily available -- especially through the buy local movement,” Furey said.

You may not only be spending more on the ingredients this year, but it's going to cost you more to get to grandma’s house, too. Gasoline costs 5 percent more than last year. And you'll want to hope for warm weather, because natural gas prices are 3.7 percent higher and electricity rates are up 1.5 percent.

[Monker]

I think you are also a hypocrite because when it DID crash I do believe you were the first to say you were going to up your 401k contributions in anticipation of the big rise. The problem is - that did not happen until after Bush was out of office and we were months into the Obama presidency.

Here you go again. Giving Obama the credit only "months into his presidency,"

dude, it's a FACT. Get over it.

but when you see all of the other poor numbers, even as far as today, you cite that those are Bush's fault.

It is a simple fact that the crash happened under Bush. Are you going to argue that?
It is a simple fact that the Dow recovered under Obama. Are you going to argue that?

It is a simple fact that you missed the crash and if you are not investing now, you are missing the recovery. Get over it - cuz those be da facts.

So, in short, you want to give Obama credit for anything good

Quit lying. I did not give Obama 'credit' for anything.

and Bush the blame for anything bad. Nice.

Damn right...he is the worst President this nation has ever seen.

[conversationpc]

and Bush the blame for anything bad. Nice.

Damn right...he is the worst President this nation has ever seen since Jimmy Carter.

Fixed.

[Saint John]

Quit lying. I did not give Obama 'credit' for anything.

"It is a simple fact that the Dow recovered under Obama."

You're inferring credit right there.

[Monker]

Quit lying. I did not give Obama 'credit' for anything.

"It is a simple fact that the Dow recovered under Obama."

You're inferring credit right there.

No, you are allowing your imagination to run away with you.

I am stating a simple fact. A fact that you simply can't accept.

[Monker]

and Bush the blame for anything bad. Nice.

Damn right...he is the worst President this nation has ever seen since Jimmy Carter.

Fixed.

Carter was less then mediocre....

However, as bad as the economy was, he did not leave it near a depression. He did not leave us fighting two wars we can not really 'win', one we had to exaggerate and make excuses for even starting. He also DID make attempts to get us off of our oil addiction, instead of ignoring it or adding to it.

Carter was not what the country needed....but he was no where near as horrid as W.

[Saint John]

Quit lying. I did not give Obama 'credit' for anything.

"It is a simple fact that the Dow recovered under Obama."

You're inferring credit right there.

No, you are allowing your imagination to run away with you.

I am stating a simple fact. A fact that you simply can't accept.

I'm not a political nut like the rest of you. I lean right, but I don't really give a fuck who wins. So much so, that I didn't even bother voting a few weeks ago.

Anyway, who do you credit the aforementioned Dow's recovery to?

[Rockindeano]

Quit lying. I did not give Obama 'credit' for anything.

"It is a simple fact that the Dow recovered under Obama."

You're inferring credit right there.

No, you are allowing your imagination to run away with you.

I am stating a simple fact. A fact that you simply can't accept.

I'm not a political nut like the rest of you. I lean right, but I don't really give a fuck who wins. So much so, that I didn't even bother voting a few weeks ago.

Anyway, who do you credit the aforementioned Dow's recovery to?

I don't pretend to be an economist, but I do know the resurgence for the DOW as indeed happened on Obama's watch. Dude needs as much credit as he can possibly get.

[Saint John]

I don't pretend to be an economist, but I do know the resurgence for the DOW as indeed happened on Obama's watch. Dude needs as much credit as he can possibly get.

Fair enough. Then he needs to eat unemployment and job losses, too. Like I told Monker, you can't blame all of the negative on Bush and, at the same time, cherry pick the positives.

[Rockindeano]

I don't pretend to be an economist, but I do know the resurgence for the DOW as indeed happened on Obama's watch. Dude needs as much credit as he can possibly get.

Fair enough. Then he needs to eat unemployment and job losses, too. Like I told Monker, you can't blame all of the negative on Bush and, at the same time, cherry pick the positives.

Yes he does and no he dopesn't. FACT- He did inherit those horribly high numbers. He has had two years to knock them down. he has had an opposing party balking his every move. Summation? He gets a C on Unemployment.

I'm all for blaming whomever is wrong. Being completely unbiased, this poor fucker may very well be in over his head, but I am not sure if Bill Clinton himself could have pulled us out from under the tidal wave of crap Bush took us under. fair?

[RossValoryRocks]

I don't pretend to be an economist, but I do know the resurgence for the DOW as indeed happened on Obama's watch. Dude needs as much credit as he can possibly get.

Fair enough. Then he needs to eat unemployment and job losses, too. Like I told Monker, you can't blame all of the negative on Bush and, at the same time, cherry pick the positives.

Yes he does and no he dopesn't. FACT- He did inherit those horribly high numbers. He has had two years to knock them down. he has had an opposing party balking his every move. Summation? He gets a C on Unemployment.

I'm all for blaming whomever is wrong. Being completely unbiased, this poor fucker may very well be in under his head, but I am not sure if Bill Clinton himself could have pulled us out from under the tidal wave of crap Bush took us under. fair?

What about the Congress? Dems controlled it for two years...and BLOCKED everything Bush wanted to do...including reigning in Freddie and Fannie...fair?

[Saint John]

I don't pretend to be an economist, but I do know the resurgence for the DOW as indeed happened on Obama's watch. Dude needs as much credit as he can possibly get.

Fair enough. Then he needs to eat unemployment and job losses, too. Like I told Monker, you can't blame all of the negative on Bush and, at the same time, cherry pick the positives.

Yes he does and no he dopesn't. FACT- He did inherit those horribly high numbers. He has had two years to knock them down. he has had an opposing party balking his every move. Summation? He gets a C on Unemployment.

I'm all for blaming whomever is wrong. Being completely unbiased, this poor fucker may very well be in under his head, but I am not sure if Bill Clinton himself could have pulled us out from under the tidal wave of crap Bush took us under. fair?

We have never recovered from the manufacturing recession that Bush inherited in 2001. Unions pushed for higher and higher wages and we became less and less competitive. What happened? All of those jobs went overseas ... and they're never coming back. Unions and the in-the-pocket democrats that serve them (not the people as a whole) have single-handedly destroyed our country and most its jobs. This explains it a bit better and they're all facts:

For American manufacturers, the bad years didn't begin with the banking crisis of 2008. Indeed, the U.S. manufacturing sector never emerged from the 2001 recession, which coincided with China's entry into the World Trade Organization. Since 2001, the country has lost 42,400 factories, including 36 percent of factories that employ more than 1,000 workers (which declined from 1,479 to 947), and 38 percent of factories that employ between 500 and 999 employees (from 3,198 to 1,972). An additional 90,000 manufacturing companies are now at risk of going out of business.

Long before the banking collapse of 2008, such important U.S. industries as machine tools, consumer electronics, auto parts, appliances, furniture, telecommunications equipment, and many others that had once dominated the global marketplace suffered their own economic collapse. Manufacturing employment dropped to 11.7 million in October 2009, a loss of 5.5 million or 32 percent of all manufacturing jobs since October 2000. The last time fewer than 12 million people worked in the manufacturing sector was in 1941. In October 2009, more people were officially unemployed (15.7 million) than were working in manufacturing.

When a factory closes, it creates a vortex that has far-reaching consequences. The Milken Institute estimates that every computer-manufacturing job in California creates 15 jobs outside the factory. Close a manufacturing plant, and a supply chain of producers disappears with it. Dozens of companies get hurt: those supplying computer-aided design and business software; automation and robotics equipment, packaging, office equipment and supplies; telecommunications services; energy and water utilities; research and development, marketing and sales support; and building and equipment maintenance and janitorial services. The burden spreads to local restaurants, cultural establishments, shopping outlets, and then to the tax base that supports police, firemen, schoolteachers, and libraries.