President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

General Intelligent Discussion & One Thread About That Buttknuckle

Moderator: Andrew

Postby Seven Wishes2 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:03 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Fucking Bush and Cheney stealing all that oil and shipping it to their friends in Dallas for personal gain while innocent Iraqi's suffer needlessly. The horror. :wink:


Which makes the only other possibility, one that is completely based in fact and truth and a multitude of sources - that Bush had planned to invade Iraq since the infancy of his Administration, in retaliation for Hussein's attempts to assassinate his father - even more diabolical. Your position is compromised either way, LiePaster.
User avatar
Seven Wishes2
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1621
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:49 am
Location: Charlotte, NC

Postby Seven Wishes2 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:59 am

Fact Finder wrote:
A state sponsered assassination attempt against a US President or former President is an act of war. Too bad Clinton didn't have the balls to do what was right at the time, take the bastard Hussein down. Instead we fired 20 cruise missles into an Iraqi Intelligence Service building in the middle of the night and let Saddam live to fight another 10 years until Junior did what needed to be done.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the right thing to do in 1991 would have been for Dumbya's FATHER to do that. If Clinton went around assassinating every dictator in the world, he would have had to have operatives in 120 countries. There were far worse heads of state all around the world at the time.
Last edited by Seven Wishes2 on Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Seven Wishes2
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1621
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:49 am
Location: Charlotte, NC

Postby Seven Wishes2 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:10 am

I'm not sure where I stand on this issue. I'm curious to know what positions are held FF, RWF, Davei, Deano, and TNC, among others. I suppose, in the end, I believe that if these are really critical secrets that could indeed lead to the deaths of innocent people, WikiLeaks has an ethical responsibility that transcends the FIA.
User avatar
Seven Wishes2
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1621
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:49 am
Location: Charlotte, NC

Postby Saint John » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:49 am

These wikileaks fuckers need to be killed. All of them ... and now. :evil:
User avatar
Saint John
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 21723
Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:31 pm
Location: Uranus

Postby Seven Wishes2 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:28 am

I should explain, or rather elaborate, my position.

What I meant to say was WikiLeaks has an ethical responsibility to NOT go ahead with the document leaks if ANYONE'S life is in jeopardy, or our foreign relations could be harmed. I think someone needs to take Assange behind a barn and put him out of his misery.

I definitely agree with you and Dan on this one, FF.
User avatar
Seven Wishes2
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1621
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:49 am
Location: Charlotte, NC

Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:31 am

Seven Wishes wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Fucking Bush and Cheney stealing all that oil and shipping it to their friends in Dallas for personal gain while innocent Iraqi's suffer needlessly. The horror. :wink:


Which makes the only other possibility, one that is completely based in fact and truth and a multitude of sources - that Bush had planned to invade Iraq since the infancy of his Administration, in retaliation for Hussein's attempts to assassinate his father - even more diabolical. Your position is compromised either way, LiePaster.


I believe you are wrong here 7Wishes. LOL, the Iraqi war was thought of long before Florida was "reversed" or "given" to Bush. That war was all but finalized before W took residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Too bad the brains behind it, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Cheney weren't very smart about it. Those three empty headed motherfuckers had NO exit plan at all, which can only mean they never had any intention of leaving that place until US dominance, err Neo Conservative dominance had expanded in that region of the world. Remember, that the ultimate goal of Neo Conservatism is to completely control the US Governament, The New World order, and also outer space. Those people are indeed dangerous, and unfortunately, are still alive.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby Seven Wishes2 » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:39 am

I don't see where we disagree here, Deano.
User avatar
Seven Wishes2
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1621
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:49 am
Location: Charlotte, NC

Postby Rick » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:43 am

Fact Finder wrote:
but invading Iraq was only about oil and money.



Oil and money for who Rick?


Basra oil fuels fight to control Iraq's economic might

The province sits on as much as 20 percent of the Middle East's oil reserves.

Basra, Iraq

It could be an "empire," says one Shiite militia leader. For the provincial governor, Basra's future is shimmering skyscrapers. He wants the Iraqi port city to be another Arab metropolis, perhaps the next Dubai.

Many Iraqis – businessmen, criminal bosses, militia commanders, political leaders – have designs on the city, that is vitally important to Iraq's national economy.

With its oil proceeds, Basra Province provided Baghdad nearly 90 percent of its budget of $40 million this year. And there is more money to come, if Iraq fully repairs and expands its war-ravaged oil infrastructure. Basra sits on some of the world's largest untapped reserves. In fact, the bulk of Iraq's estimated 200 billion barrels in potential deposits are here.

(((I thought Bush stole it Rick)))

The fight for a stake in Basra's riches is often desperate and violent. Whoever comes out on top, they will hold great sway over the country, and much influence in the Middle East. Now that British forces have left Basra city, and are preparing for a full withdrawal from Basra Province by year-end, many Basrawis worry that this fight for control of Basra's petroleum wealth will further increase, perhaps growing into an all-out war.

Militias vie for control

At the entrance to the headquarters of the South Oil Company (SOC) in Basra, a sign dating from when Saddam Hussein nationalized the oil industry in 1972 reads: "Our oil is ours."

Inside, an exasperated senior official, who did not want to be identified for fear of retribution, describes the onslaught by parties and militias intent on controlling the company by forcing their loyalists into key management positions. Some are beholden to the Ministry of Oil in Baghdad, which is controlled by the United Iraqi Alliance (UIA), the dominant Shiite coalition to which Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki belongs.

"There is an invasion by parties and militias … we are a mouthwatering prize," he says, adding that recently 8,000 people, most of them illiterate, were pushed on to the company's payrolls.

The power plays extend to Basra's ports, too, often contributing to anger and a sense of injustice among the province's estimated 3 million people. In the town of Abu Al-Khaseeb, south of the city, the newly rich are building palatial homes next to mud huts. The mansions often belong to those who have been able to cash in on the brisk business in the town's Abu Flous port, which is one the province's main four ports and is widely considered to be controlled by the mafialike family, Bayet Ashour, and certain militias.

"You can only work at the port if you join a militia. I thought about it, but then my two cousins who had joined were badly wounded in a clash. So now we just sit home and shut up," says resident Jalal Ali.

Last month, armed tribesmen forcefully brought oil production to a standstill at the Majnoon oil field, 38 miles north of Basra city, after the SOC refused to meet their demands for jobs in the area. An official at the company, which controls oil exploration and production throughout southern Iraq, confirmed the incident.

Many are also profiting off the oil by tapping right into the pipelines.

SOC's oil pipelines are regularly sabotaged and drilled into to steal crude and smuggle it outside Iraq, says the unnamed official at the company. Many in the province even accuse Gov. Muhammad Mosabeh Waeli's Fadhila Party, whose partisans dominate the oil protection force, of colluding with the smugglers. Mr. Waeli has vehemently denied the charges, calling them "a smear campaign orchestrated by pro-Iranian parties."

$90 billion daily

SOC, which employs more than 30,000 people, is in charge of oil production and exploration in an area of about 45,000 acres in southern Iraq. By most estimates, potential Iraqi reserves account for nearly 16 to 20 percent of Middle East reserves. "Producing at full prewar capacity, Iraq can generate about $90 million a day through exports to support its own reconstruction," says a US Army Corps of Engineers slide presentation dated July 2004. "Immense potential exists to generate prosperity, employment, and economic stability for all Iraqis."



Fucking Bush and Cheney stealing all that oil and shipping it to their friends in Dallas for personal gain while innocent Iraqi's suffer needlessly. The horror. :wink:


As Dean said, Iraq was planned before 9/11. He was going to go in citing oilfield instability. 9/11 just put enough fear into the American public that he could act on it. WMD. That was almost clever, if it wasn't such a bullshit act of fear mongering. The dude that said all of this was in the oil companies cabinet meetings, and when I cite him as a reference, the right just smears him all over. It's like talking to a wall.
User avatar
Rick
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 16726
Joined: Sat Dec 23, 2006 9:29 am
Location: Texas

Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:54 am

Seven Wishes wrote:I don't see where we disagree here, Deano.


You stated that the Iraqi conflict was born in the infancy of the W administration; while I maintain it was drawn up long before that, perhaps even as far back to when W was running the state of Texas into the ground. W was clearly the puppet for Wolfowitz, Rummy and Cheney; and Rove was the string puller. This isn't too hard to figure out. The most corrupt administration EVER, and possibly the most incompetent as well. Those two entities add up to colossal FAILURE.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby slucero » Mon Nov 29, 2010 7:56 am

Rockindeano wrote:
Seven Wishes wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Fucking Bush and Cheney stealing all that oil and shipping it to their friends in Dallas for personal gain while innocent Iraqi's suffer needlessly. The horror. :wink:


Which makes the only other possibility, one that is completely based in fact and truth and a multitude of sources - that Bush had planned to invade Iraq since the infancy of his Administration, in retaliation for Hussein's attempts to assassinate his father - even more diabolical. Your position is compromised either way, LiePaster.


I believe you are wrong here 7Wishes. LOL, the Iraqi war was thought of long before Florida was "reversed" or "given" to Bush. That war was all but finalized before W took residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Too bad the brains behind it, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Cheney weren't very smart about it. Those three empty headed motherfuckers had NO exit plan at all, which can only mean they never had any intention of leaving that place until US dominance, err Neo Conservative dominance had expanded in that region of the world. Remember, that the ultimate goal of Neo Conservatism is to completely control the US Governament, The New World order, and also outer space. Those people are indeed dangerous, and unfortunately, are still alive.



The 104 acre, $1 Billion dollar US embassy compound means we'll never leave Iraq....

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


~Albert Einstein
User avatar
slucero
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 5444
Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:17 pm

Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:00 am

slucero wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
Seven Wishes wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
Fucking Bush and Cheney stealing all that oil and shipping it to their friends in Dallas for personal gain while innocent Iraqi's suffer needlessly. The horror. :wink:


Which makes the only other possibility, one that is completely based in fact and truth and a multitude of sources - that Bush had planned to invade Iraq since the infancy of his Administration, in retaliation for Hussein's attempts to assassinate his father - even more diabolical. Your position is compromised either way, LiePaster.


I believe you are wrong here 7Wishes. LOL, the Iraqi war was thought of long before Florida was "reversed" or "given" to Bush. That war was all but finalized before W took residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Too bad the brains behind it, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and Cheney weren't very smart about it. Those three empty headed motherfuckers had NO exit plan at all, which can only mean they never had any intention of leaving that place until US dominance, err Neo Conservative dominance had expanded in that region of the world. Remember, that the ultimate goal of Neo Conservatism is to completely control the US Governament, The New World order, and also outer space. Those people are indeed dangerous, and unfortunately, are still alive.



The 104 acre, $1 Billion dollar US embassy compound means we'll never leave Iraq....


I agree. We will reside in that compound forever....at least until Iran gets the bomb, then we'll either engage in mutual assured destruction with those assholes, or we'll bug out of there like the French running from a bb gun fight.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:23 am

What's your motivation here FF? Are you trying to implicate the Obama Administration here? Are you trying to link these leaks politically, in order to make GOP points? I just don't get your outright hatred for the President? It baffles me. I thought you were an American? You sure don't act like one. I would think you'd want the President to be successful, and thus of course the country would follow and we would be a better place. But you don't want Obama to succeed at anything.....truly bizarre.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 29, 2010 11:31 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:What's your motivation here FF? Are you trying to implicate the Obama Administration here? Are you trying to link these leaks politically, in order to make GOP points? I just don't get your outright hatred for the President? It baffles me. I thought you were an American? You sure don't act like one. I would think you'd want the President to be successful, and thus of course the country would follow and we would be a better place. But you don't want Obama to succeed at anything.....truly bizarre.



Dude, relax. I'm just posting the news..it's that simple, make of it what you will.


You do it with such glee, like you're compliling political points at your crib. Seriously, I never turned on W until his second term at least. Yes, I hate that Cheesedick, but always rooted for the Fucker, especially after 9/11.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby Memorex » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:09 pm

To me, all this wiki shit reveals is that all administrations are pretty much the same when it comes to foreign policy, once they are in. Bush has oil buddies. The money trail for these new scanners leads to Dems. Both parties get bought left and right and if you ever rise to the level of president, you owe people and you become part of a network of corruption that seems like it will never get cleaned up.

Number one, I am glad Hillary had people spy on members of the UN. That organization is about as useless as Paris Hilton. I'm glad Obama is droning the shit out of the bad guys. I'm glad we went and got Saddam because whatever the motivation, someone who kills 500,000 of their own people and threatens ours should be put to the other side of the grass.

So many things wrong with politicians on both sides. So many things right.

I say Obama and Hillary stand up and say "Damn straight we said and did this stuff, because many leaders of many countries suck ass and most definitely say worse about us in private." Don't apologize. Just own it and use it to move forward.

What I find the most troubling though is the inability for the left or right to be respectful of each other's views. Just because we don't agree with someone doesn't make them an idiot. The abortion issue is a perfect example. Pro-Choice folks think that anyone that would try and tell them what to do with their body is insane, extreme, and should be put to death. The right feels the same about anyone that would choose to end a life (one they clearly believe starts at conception) by choice. No one can seem to see both sides of the coin. I mean, can't a pro-choice person reason that if someone believes in the sanctity of life, they must therefore be against abortion as a rule? And can't the right see that the left feels as though their rights as an individual to do as they choose with their body trumps all?

So I read these threads and everyone hates on each other and thinks everyone is stupid. I think that we as a people better soon realize that by playing this polarizing game, the politicians are sticking it to us left and right. The turmoil people feel creates a perfect environment for government to be bigger, more intrusive, more secretive, more corrupt, and more off course with each passing cycle. People are so concerned with MSNBC VS Fox News that they don;t see the slight of hand playing out in all facets of government. Think of the power we'd have to make changes if Fact Finder, Dean, and Monker were all one the same page (not all views, but making government answer to us).

It really bothers me that people have become this polarized. It has completely stopped all sane argument, in my opinion.
User avatar
Memorex
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3571
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:30 pm

Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:23 pm

Memorex, Mike- Dude, the money and the scanners? Are you talking about the TSA scanners at airports? Um, no, it isn't the Dems...it is linked back to Michael Chertoff, a Bush appointee. That crooked sonofabitch is doing his best Dick Cheney(Haliburton), with regards to these fucking X ray scanners.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby Memorex » Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:56 pm

Rockindeano wrote:Memorex, Mike- Dude, the money and the scanners? Are you talking about the TSA scanners at airports? Um, no, it isn't the Dems...it is linked back to Michael Chertoff, a Bush appointee. That crooked sonofabitch is doing his best Dick Cheney(Haliburton), with regards to these fucking X ray scanners.


The only report I heard - cause I haven't really been that involved in the story, talked about current administration officials and the lobbying that took place. In order to have advanced the technology this far, it obviously had to start in the last administration/congress. I didn't say Obama, I said Dems. I'd have to look at it more, but I really am not all that interested in the story. I just think it's really odd how the views have completely flipped on this one. This issue three years ago would have had all dems against and all republicans for. I don't understand the flip. Weird.

That said, are you saying you believe Republicans are nothing but corrupt assholes and Democrats are the Saint Teresa's of Washington? I mean, this is what I am saying. We have to stop giving a pass to "our side".
User avatar
Memorex
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3571
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:30 pm

Postby Rockindeano » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:07 pm

Memorex wrote:
That said, are you saying you believe Republicans are nothing but corrupt assholes and Democrats are the Saint Teresa's of Washington? I mean, this is what I am saying. We have to stop giving a pass to "our side".


Truth be told, I fucking hate republicans. I honestly do not think they give two shits about the country in general. They only give a shit about the white and the rich. Seriously, that is exactly what I believe. I have been alive long anough to know, and seeing Reagan, Bush and Bush has completely convinced me that those motherfuckers only care for a certain faction of societey. I believe it is my sole duty as a citizen to do everything possible to prevent them from coming into power. They have proved it time and time again, that they fuck everything up. Now, are the Dems saints? Hell no. There are some real bad Democrats, however, IMHO, the Democratic party is the party of the people, not corporate America. In my view Neo Conservatism is the motherfucking root of all evil, predicated on the will to take over the world. Yes Mike, I hate the fucking republican party.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby Memorex » Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:20 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Memorex wrote:
That said, are you saying you believe Republicans are nothing but corrupt assholes and Democrats are the Saint Teresa's of Washington? I mean, this is what I am saying. We have to stop giving a pass to "our side".


Truth be told, I fucking hate republicans. I honestly do not think they give two shits about the country in general. They only give a shit about the white and the rich. Seriously, that is exactly what I believe. I have been alive long anough to know, and seeing Reagan, Bush and Bush has completely convinced me that those motherfuckers only care for a certain faction of societey. I believe it is my sole duty as a citizen to do everything possible to prevent them from coming into power. They have proved it time and time again, that they fuck everything up. Now, are the Dems saints? Hell no. There are some real bad Democrats, however, IMHO, the Democratic party is the party of the people, not corporate America. In my view Neo Conservatism is the motherfucking root of all evil, predicated on the will to take over the world. Yes Mike, I hate the fucking republican party.


Then all I can ask is how you can argue if a republican can have the exact same view of a democrat? I guess I don't tend to see things as evil vs good, but rather worthwhile or not and I have a hard time finding any worthwhile politicians. I think it's easy to see Republicans as rich-white lovers if you believe in certain things. But then that spills over into calling tea partiers racist. And I think 90% of those people are just looking for less spending. Someone above said the tea party would not exist if there wasn't a black president. Just two problems with that argument. The tea party existed long before Obama and the explosion came at a time of the largest increase in spending in generations. So is it racist or money or the hatred on one side causing the other to push back.

I think a lot of this started over the Monica Lewinsky thing. The right pushed for impeachment and showed their disgust, then Bush won 2000 and Dems got to return the hatred, but this time it was like nothing I had ever seen - the amount of anger. Then the Dems took over and the right gets to hate a little more. All the while, we have a congress that's beyond wealthy with insane perks, prying in to every single part of our lives, and I'm sorry but anyone who says it is more of a problem on one side than the other is just lost in that hatred - which I believe is what they all want.

I feel like a guy watching a tennis game, but no one is scoring any points on my card.
User avatar
Memorex
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3571
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:30 pm

Postby slucero » Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:38 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
Memorex wrote:
That said, are you saying you believe Republicans are nothing but corrupt assholes and Democrats are the Saint Teresa's of Washington? I mean, this is what I am saying. We have to stop giving a pass to "our side".


Truth be told, I fucking hate republicans. I honestly do not think they give two shits about the country in general. They only give a shit about the white and the rich. Seriously, that is exactly what I believe. I have been alive long anough to know, and seeing Reagan, Bush and Bush has completely convinced me that those motherfuckers only care for a certain faction of societey. I believe it is my sole duty as a citizen to do everything possible to prevent them from coming into power. They have proved it time and time again, that they fuck everything up. Now, are the Dems saints? Hell no. There are some real bad Democrats, however, IMHO, the Democratic party is the party of the people, not corporate America. In my view Neo Conservatism is the motherfucking root of all evil, predicated on the will to take over the world. Yes Mike, I hate the fucking republican party.



There are a lot of Republican Latinos, Blacks and Asians who'd probably disagree with you...

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


~Albert Einstein
User avatar
slucero
Compact Disc
 
Posts: 5444
Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 1:17 pm

Postby RossValoryRocks » Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:32 pm

Rockindeano wrote:Memorex, Mike- Dude, the money and the scanners? Are you talking about the TSA scanners at airports? Um, no, it isn't the Dems...it is linked back to Michael Chertoff, a Bush appointee. That crooked sonofabitch is doing his best Dick Cheney(Haliburton), with regards to these fucking X ray scanners.

Source?

Oh wait found it...he wants them installed.but didn't say a peep about it when he as part of the government. Oh and guess who else is going to make a killing? George Soros...conveniently forgot about the left darling financier didn't you? You of course on present only a bare minimum of facts here, which demonize the conservative while letting he liberal get away with he same thing. Which I believe is what Memorex has been saying. As is typical for MOST of the liberals here you condem the conservatives for certain behavior while saying its ok for the liberals because he conservatives did it first, which is why our country is fucked politically.
User avatar
RossValoryRocks
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3830
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2003 4:47 pm

Postby Memorex » Tue Nov 30, 2010 12:44 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Memorex, Mike- Dude, the money and the scanners? Are you talking about the TSA scanners at airports? Um, no, it isn't the Dems...it is linked back to Michael Chertoff, a Bush appointee. That crooked sonofabitch is doing his best Dick Cheney(Haliburton), with regards to these fucking X ray scanners.

Source?

Oh wait found it...he wants them installed.but didn't say a peep about it when he as part of the government. Oh and guess who else is going to make a killing? George Soros...conveniently forgot about the left darling financier didn't you? You of course on present only a bare minimum of facts here, which demonize the conservative while letting he liberal get away with he same thing. Which I believe is what Memorex has been saying. As is typical for MOST of the liberals here you condem the conservatives for certain behavior while saying its ok for the liberals because he conservatives did it first, which is why our country is fucked politically.


Ah - But the right does the same thing. So I don;t think it's most liberals, it's just most. At least that's what it feels like to me.
User avatar
Memorex
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3571
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:30 pm

Postby RossValoryRocks » Tue Nov 30, 2010 1:30 am

Memorex wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Memorex, Mike- Dude, the money and the scanners? Are you talking about the TSA scanners at airports? Um, no, it isn't the Dems...it is linked back to Michael Chertoff, a Bush appointee. That crooked sonofabitch is doing his best Dick Cheney(Haliburton), with regards to these fucking X ray scanners.

Source?

Oh wait found it...he wants them installed.but didn't say a peep about it when he as part of the government. Oh and guess who else is going to make a killing? George Soros...conveniently forgot about the left darling financier didn't you? You of course on present only a bare minimum of facts here, which demonize the conservative while letting he liberal get away with he same thing. Which I believe is what Memorex has been saying. As is typical for MOST of the liberals here you condem the conservatives for certain behavior while saying its ok for the liberals because he conservatives did it first, which is why our country is fucked politically.


Ah - But the right does the same thing. So I don;t think it's most liberals, it's just most. At least that's what it feels like to me.


Wrong is wrong...it doesn't matter who did what first...but if you look at the liberal apologists here like 7 and Deano they say all the time, "well the republicans did it too!" Whenever we are critical of some democrat politician or policy.
Last edited by RossValoryRocks on Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
RossValoryRocks
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3830
Joined: Wed Feb 12, 2003 4:47 pm

Postby Seven Wishes2 » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:28 am

You do realize none of those lawmakers had anything to do with this law, right? The Homeland Security Department is responsible for these regulations.

Anyway,, Stu, I'm not an apologist. For one thing, I can tell you, I'd love to buy real estate from Chris Dodd's agent.
User avatar
Seven Wishes2
Cassette Tape
 
Posts: 1621
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:49 am
Location: Charlotte, NC

Postby Memorex » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:12 am

Seven Wishes wrote:You do realize none of those lawmakers had anything to do with this law, right? The Homeland Security Department is responsible for these regulations.

Anyway,, Stu, I'm not an apologist. For one thing, I can tell you, I'd love to buy real estate from Chris Dodd's agent.


Like John Kerry has no pull in the matter? Or any of the others on the list?
User avatar
Memorex
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3571
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:30 pm

Postby Saint John » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:37 am

I see B. Hussein O. has decided to freeze the salaries of federal civilian employees for 2 years. There's a shocker. God forbid we ever stop giving money to those that do refuse to work. And they really need to end these fucking unemployment benefits soon. 99 weeks?!?! That's fucking ridiculous. 6 months is plenty.
User avatar
Saint John
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 21723
Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:31 pm
Location: Uranus

Postby Memorex » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:03 am

Saint John wrote:I see B. Hussein O. has decided to freeze the salaries of federal civilian employees for 2 years. There's a shocker. God forbid we ever stop giving money to those that do refuse to work. And they really need to end these fucking unemployment benefits soon. 99 weeks?!?! That's fucking ridiculous. 6 months is plenty.


I don't know. I have a lot of friends that have been out of work a while. Of course, I also have friends that aren't looking because they get such a long benefit. How do you protect the truly hurting and yet still encourage people to get back to work if they can? I personally have no answer.
User avatar
Memorex
Stereo LP
 
Posts: 3571
Joined: Sat Jun 24, 2006 1:30 pm

Postby Saint John » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:19 am

Memorex wrote:
Saint John wrote:I see B. Hussein O. has decided to freeze the salaries of federal civilian employees for 2 years. There's a shocker. God forbid we ever stop giving money to those that do refuse to work. And they really need to end these fucking unemployment benefits soon. 99 weeks?!?! That's fucking ridiculous. 6 months is plenty.


I don't know. I have a lot of friends that have been out of work a while. Of course, I also have friends that aren't looking because they get such a long benefit. How do you protect the truly hurting and yet still encourage people to get back to work if they can? I personally have no answer.


It's a double-edged sword for sure, but you're more likely to see people really hit the pavement and truly look for (and accept) jobs if they know the benefit is finite. *I* have seen far more abuses than I have people simply unable to find work. Sometimes you just have to accept that your pay is going to be cut as much as in half. I think it would go a long way in teaching people to save for a rainy day. Most people in this country live way beyond their means and then expect unemployment benefits to float them forever. Fuck that. You should be able to survive for at least a year with no pay by the time you're 40. That doesn't seem to be asking too much. Especially since the first 6 months are "on the house!"
User avatar
Saint John
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 21723
Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:31 pm
Location: Uranus

Postby Rockindeano » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:55 am

Saint John wrote:
Memorex wrote:
Saint John wrote:I see B. Hussein O. has decided to freeze the salaries of federal civilian employees for 2 years. There's a shocker. God forbid we ever stop giving money to those that do refuse to work. And they really need to end these fucking unemployment benefits soon. 99 weeks?!?! That's fucking ridiculous. 6 months is plenty.


I don't know. I have a lot of friends that have been out of work a while. Of course, I also have friends that aren't looking because they get such a long benefit. How do you protect the truly hurting and yet still encourage people to get back to work if they can? I personally have no answer.


It's a double-edged sword for sure, but you're more likely to see people really hit the pavement and truly look for (and accept) jobs if they know the benefit is finite. *I* have seen far more abuses than I have people simply unable to find work. Sometimes you just have to accept that your pay is going to be cut as much as in half. I think it would go a long way in teaching people to save for a rainy day. Most people in this country live way beyond their means and then expect unemployment benefits to float them forever. Fuck that. You should be able to survive for at least a year with no pay by the time you're 40. That doesn't seem to be asking too much. Especially since the first 6 months are "on the house!"


You do know that having people SAVE their money is NOT good for any economy right? That's why unemployment benefits are good. It keeps the person alive, healthy and fed, while at the same time, provides a direct infusion to the economy.
User avatar
Rockindeano
Forever Deano
 
Posts: 25864
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:52 am
Location: At Peace

Postby Saint John » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:36 am

Rockindeano wrote:
You do know that having people SAVE their money is NOT good for any economy right?


This is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever read. If you think that having people drowning in debt and simply printing money just so people don't have to work is better, you're nuts. And that's exactly what you're implying ... because that's what's going on in this country. People will always spend, but spend after you've saved 6 months to a year's salary and have a handle on your credit cards.


Rockindeano wrote: That's why unemployment benefits are good. It keeps the person alive, healthy and fed, while at the same time, provides a direct infusion to the economy.


Yeah, and printing money for the sake of these (majority) jackoffs lessens the value of the money of the people that were responsible and saved. And that's not fair or American. You know what else keeps them alive, healthy and fed?!?! A fucking paycheck!!! Let's be a country of paychecks again. People need to go out and fucking work.
User avatar
Saint John
Super Audio CD
 
Posts: 21723
Joined: Fri Jun 23, 2006 1:31 pm
Location: Uranus

Postby S2M » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:42 am

Saint John wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
You do know that having people SAVE their money is NOT good for any economy right?


This is perhaps the stupidest thing I've ever read. If you think that having people drowning in debt and simply printing money just so people don't have to work is better, you're nuts. And that's exactly what you're implying ... because that's what's going on in this country. People will always spend, but spend after you've saved 6 months to a year's salary and have a handle on your credit cards.


Rockindeano wrote: That's why unemployment benefits are good. It keeps the person alive, healthy and fed, while at the same time, provides a direct infusion to the economy.


Yeah, and printing money for the sake of these (majority) jackoffs lessens the value of the money of the people that were responsible and saved. And that's not fair or American. You know what else keeps them alive, healthy and fed?!?! A fucking paycheck!!! Let's be a country of paychecks again. People need to go out and fucking work.



When people hoard instead of spending - it directly affects the demand end of things....which then affects the SUPPLY area....and then employers CUT jobs because people aren't buying Widget 'A'....saving ONLY benefits the saver....If government(state and Fed.) was serious about stimulating the economy they would put a year long moratorium on state and federal taxes for a year or two....People will hoard stimulus checks in a down economy...BUT, if you discount things and make them cheaper....people will think they are getting a deal, and thus spend the money. just my .02
Tom Brady IS the G.O.A.T.
User avatar
S2M
MP3
 
Posts: 11981
Joined: Mon Jun 02, 2008 4:43 am
Location: In a bevy of whimsy

PreviousNext

Return to Snowmobiles For The Sahara

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests

cron