President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Seven Wishes2]

Heh heh. Now I'm defending the "Washington fat cats".

The REAL fat cats are the ones who pander to pollsters, line their pocket with the blood and toil of corporate greed and outsourcing, and put the privileged and wealthy ahead of the masses.

Every time you post ANYTHING, it simply makes you look more and more out of touch and, most of all, ignorant and stupid.

[RedWingFan]

Heh heh. Now I'm defending the "Washington fat cats".

The REAL fat cats are the ones who pander to pollsters, line their pocket with the blood and toil of corporate greed and outsourcing, and put the privileged and wealthy ahead of the masses.

The tea party stand for private property rights and Constitutionally limited government. You're obviously against that and for the status quo of corrupt government. You're like their personal little yippy lap/guard dog!

[Seven Wishes2]

Ummm....HirohitoFan...you are aware that the guy for whom you voted in 2000 and 2004 headed what was undeniably the most corrupt Administration since your pony Nixon, right?

You're betting on the wrong horse if you support the Tea Party...it's going to kill the GOP from within while it self-destructs, unless intelligent moderate Republicans like Romney become the face of the party.

[RedWingFan]

Ummm....HirohitoFan...you are aware that the guy for whom you voted in 2000 and 2004 headed what was undeniably the most corrupt Administration since your pony Nixon, right?

In your delusional mind undoubtedly. Nothing anyone will be able to do or say to you to convince you otherwise if you don't start taking your meds.

You're betting on the wrong horse if you support the Tea Party...it's going to kill the GOP from within while it self-destructs, unless intelligent moderate Republicans like Romney become the face of the party.

So you were saying before the recent midterms. Supporting the Tea Party really bit us in the ass taking 60-something house seats.

Yeah, and Republicans nominating that moderate McCain in '08 worked out like a charm didn't it?

Dude seriously you need to see a professional!

[slucero]

Heh heh. Now I'm defending the "Washington fat cats".

The REAL fat cats are the ones who pander to pollsters, line their pocket with the blood and toil of corporate greed and outsourcing, and put the privileged and wealthy ahead of the masses.

Every time you post ANYTHING, it simply makes you look more and more out of touch and, most of all, ignorant and stupid.

Like these two guys guy - right?

2004 Bush - http://www.opensecrets.org/pres04/contr ... =N00008072
2008 Obama - http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contr ... =n00009638

[RedWingFan]

Hey slucero, here's 7braincells response to those facts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xywqv1c ... re=related

[S2M]

[RedWingFan]

Exactly!

[slucero]

Hey slucero, here's 7braincells response to those facts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xywqv1c ... re=related

[Seven Wishes2]

The Tea Party COST the GOP at least four Senate seats.

You of all people should know this.

The Tea Party is a fringe group. It WILL cost the GOP unless they shift back to the center.

GoebbelsFan, try not changing the subject when you're down and out for a change. Admit defeat.

[slucero]

The Tea Party COST the GOP at least four Senate seats.

You of all people should know this.

The Tea Party is a fringe group. It WILL cost the GOP unless they shift back to the center.

GoebbelsFan, try not changing the subject when you're down and out for a change. Admit defeat.

It looks more like the Tea party led the conservative trouncing that the Dems got and have forced Obama to move to the center...

which in my opinion is a GOOD THING... consensus in a divided Congress is much better than one-sided majority rule..

[RedWingFan]

The Tea Party COST the GOP at least four Senate seats.

You of all people should know this.

Here's what you don't understand. I don't want liberal or moderate Republican senators in Congress who will continue business as usual.

I'm not a party man like you seem to be. I'm not losing sleep because some Republican didn't get chairmanship or because Mike Castle may have to find a job. Comprende?

I'd think you'd admire the Tea Party seeing as how they target liberal Republicans as well as Democrats. The fact is that you are the party lap dog.

[RossValoryRocks]

The Tea Party COST the GOP at least four Senate seats.

You of all people should know this.

The Tea Party is a fringe group. It WILL cost the GOP unless they shift back to the center.

GoebbelsFan, try not changing the subject when you're down and out for a change. Admit defeat.

4? Which 4?

DE and AZ? Ok...that's 2...AK...still went to a Republican...

[RedWingFan]

The Tea Party is a fringe group. It WILL cost the GOP unless they shift back to the center.

You're either stupid, uninformed or lying. Which is it? Either way you're a fool.
And save your negative comments about Rasmussen Cochran, they're as accurate as any polling service.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl1017

New poll shows 'Tea Party' more popular than Republican Party
– Mon Dec 7, 5:47 pm ET

A new Rasmussen poll finds that the tea party movement's popularity is growing, so much so that it garners more support than the Republican party on a generic Congressional ballot. The poll hints that the burgeoning discontent among conservatives within the GOP threatens to splinter the party at a time when the popularity of President Obama and the Democratic-controlled Congress are waning as we head into an election year.

[Seven Wishes2]

A new Rasmussen poll finds that the tea party movement's popularity is growing, so much so that it garners more support than the Republican party on a generic Congressional ballot. The poll hints that the burgeoning discontent among conservatives within the GOP threatens to splinter the party

I love it when, in a retort, you do my job for me. Thanks, MussoliniFan.

And no, Rasmussen is NOT a reliable polling source. It is and always has been slanted to the right.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/public-support-for-public-option.html

...observers have questioned its issue-based polling, which frequently tends to elicit responses that are more conservative than those found on all other national surveys...

http://projects.publicintegrity.org/consultants/list.aspx?act=conDetail&id=122002

The Center For Public Integrity has pointed out that Scott Rasmussen was a paid consultant for the 2004 George W. Bush campaign.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/2009/02/scott_rasmussens_conservative_friendly_question_wording/

[Rasmussen polls] are based on robocalls...the qualitative questions, in terms of their phrasing and so forth, are frequently skewed to give answers friendly toward GOP or conservative viewpoints...

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/01/04/rasmussens-polling-stirs-bias-debate/

Rasmussen polls quite consistently turned out to overstate the standing of Republicans tonight. Of the roughly 100 polls released by Rasmussen or its subsidiary Pulse Opinion Research in the final 21 days of the campaign, roughly 70 to 75 percent overestimated the performance of Republican candidates, and on average they were biased against Democrats by 3 to 4 points. ....it appears as though the worst poll of the political cycle will be the Rasmussen Reports survey of Hawaii, which had the incumbent Daniel Inoyue defeating Cam Cavasso by just 13 points. Mr. Inouye is ahead by 55 points right now. If Mr. Inouye’s margin holds, the 42-point error would be by far the worst general election poll in FiveThirtyEight’s database, which includes all polls since 1998; the previous record was 29 points.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/panagakis_comparing_job_approv.php?nr=1

In one example, the first question asks for a job rating for Tim Pawlenty, a Republican governor, using an approve/disapprove scale. The next question asks for the way that Al Franken, a Democratic senator, is performing his role, but uses a Excellent/Good/Fair/Poor scale. Nick Panagakis of Pollster.com has pointed out that, when using the latter scale, "approval is often reported by combining the top two and bottom two scores", including the "fair" score as a "disapproval" vote.

[conversationpc]

And no, Rasmussen is NOT a reliable polling source. It is and always has been slanted to the right.

And it's also been one of the most accurate polls over the last few years regardless of what slant it supposedly has.

[conversationpc]

The Tea Party COST the GOP at least four Senate seats.

You of all people should know this.

The Tea Party is a fringe group. It WILL cost the GOP unless they shift back to the center.

GoebbelsFan, try not changing the subject when you're down and out for a change. Admit defeat.

4? Which 4?

DE and AZ? Ok...that's 2...AK...still went to a Republican...

And who even cares if it costs the GOP? They deserve it if it happens.

[Seven Wishes2]

And no, Rasmussen is NOT a reliable polling source. It is and always has been slanted to the right.

And it's also been one of the most accurate polls over the last few years regardless of what slant it supposedly has.

But Dave, I just proved it was the LEAST accurate of the major polling groups in the past few years!!!!!

[RedWingFan]

But Dave, I just proved it was the LEAST accurate of the major polling groups in the past few years!!!!!

The most slanted pollster on the face of the Earth wouldn't have anything on a devout DNC lapdog like you.

[Seven Wishes2]

Heh heh.

Nice of you to pipe in, GoebbelsFan.

I have proven to be FAR more willing to slam my own party than you EVER have. I've given Obama all sorts of hell, derided the Democrats for their wishy-washiness, and pronounced my admiration for moderate conservatives.

I provided proof that Rasmussen is slanted and comparatively unreliable.

It has already been proven that the death panel myth is just that, provided sourcing for it, and you continue to bark at the moon.

Proof of global warming? It's everywhere. I've debunked you time and time again. But, of course, YOU know more than any climatologists and all the PhD's out there...you, Faux "News", and Limbaugh and company.

The corpses of your falsehoods lie strewn about the wasteland of these past 333 pages.

[RedWingFan]

Hey look, Gerald Ford is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTm60alj44

[Rockindeano]

Hey look, Gerald Ford is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTm60alj44

Man, she looks exhausted...plain tired looking. Those fuckin towelheaded bastards are ruining her!

[RedWingFan]

So now Obama's political rally cry went from "Yes We Can", to "Together We Thrive"?

Way to time that to get maximum exposure, Mr. President.

[Saint John]

Hey look, Gerald Ford is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTm60alj44

I'm guessing she tripped over one of her cuntlips that was hanging out of the bottom of her slacks.

[Rockindeano]

Hey look, Gerald Ford is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTm60alj44

I'm guessing she tripped over one of her cuntlips that was hanging out of the bottom of her slacks.

Oh Jesus.....but- hate her all you want, but thank God she is at State. She is doing a very good job there.

[RossValoryRocks]

Hey look, Gerald Ford is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTm60alj44

I'm guessing she tripped over one of her cuntlips that was hanging out of the bottom of her slacks.

Hillary doesn't have those...so it must have been her ball sack...

[RossValoryRocks]

Hey look, Gerald Ford is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTm60alj44

I'm guessing she tripped over one of her cuntlips that was hanging out of the bottom of her slacks.

Oh Jesus.....but- hate her all you want, but thank God she is at State. She is doing a very good job there.

I can't believe I am saying this...but...I agree with you...she is a FAR better diplomat than the President is, which is probably exactly how it should be in any administration.

[conversationpc]

Hey look, Gerald Ford is back!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suTm60alj44

I'm guessing she tripped over one of her cuntlips that was hanging out of the bottom of her slacks.

Oh Jesus.....but- hate her all you want, but thank God she is at State. She is doing a very good job there.

I can't believe I am saying this...but...I agree with you...she is a FAR better diplomat than the President is, which is probably exactly how it should be in any administration.

I actually think she might be better than Condoleezza Rice was. She was far too soft, in my opinion. You do have to have SOME backbone for that job.

[whirlwind]

JP Morgan's investment bankers are to receive an average payout of $369,651 (£233,000) after the bank set aside almost $10bn to cover basic pay and bonuses.

The figures were released after JPMorgan Chase kicked off the US banking reporting season by reporting a 47% jump in profits for the last quarter of 2010.........Todays news.


Yesteryears news..........

Yet another financial institution who received a bailout of 25 billion of tax payer funds, JP Morgan Chase, has been caught out implementing a plan to outsource thousand of American jobs to India which would cost 400 million.

According to Jonathan Riskind of the Columbus Dispatch, Congresswoman Rep. Mary Jo Kilroy (D) of Ohio, along with 41 other Congressmen, all Democrats, including Rep. Barney Frank, Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, have sent a letter to Jamie Dimon, the chief executive and president of JP Morgan Chase, demanding answers to Chase’s plan to spend 400 million to outsource thousands of jobs overseas to India.

“Any time a company that employs thousands in central Ohio mentions plans to outsource work, the Congresswoman will want answers,” Tencher said. “Central Ohio cannot afford any job loss and should not expect it from a company that took $25 billion from the taxpayer funded bailout.”

[Rockindeano]

Uh oh FF and you Cons, look at the new poll- Health Care opponents declining..Obama up.....


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110117/ap_ ... th_care_10

WASHINGTON – As lawmakers shaken by the shooting of a colleague return to the health care debate, an Associated Press-GfK poll finds raw feelings over President Barack Obama's overhaul have subsided.

Ahead of a vote on repeal in the GOP-led House this week, strong opposition to the law stands at 30 percent, close to the lowest level registered in AP-GfK surveys dating to September 2009.

The nation is divided over the law, but the strength and intensity of the opposition appear diminished. The law expands coverage to more than 30 million uninsured, and would require, for the first time, that most people in the United States carry health insurance.

The poll finds that 40 percent of those surveyed said they support the law, while 41 percent oppose it. Just after the November congressional elections, opposition stood at 47 percent and support was 38 percent.

As for repeal, only about one in four say they want to do away with the law completely. Among Republicans support for repeal has dropped sharply, from 61 percent after the elections to 49 percent now.

Also, 43 percent say they want the law changed so it does more to re-engineer the health care system. Fewer than one in five say it should be left as it is.

"Overall, it didn't go as far as I would have liked," said Joshua Smith, 46, a sales consultant to manufacturers who lives in Herndon, Va. "In a perfect world, I'd like to see them change it to make it more encompassing, but judging by how hard it was to get it passed, they had to take whatever they could get."

His extended family has benefited from the law. A sister-in-law in her early 20s, previously uninsured, was able to get on her father's policy. "She's starting out as a real estate agent, and there's no health care for that," said Smith. The law allows young adults to stay on a parent's plan until they turn 26.

Congress stepped back last week to honor victims of the rampage in Tucson, Ariz., that left Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., facing a long and uncertain recovery from a bullet through her brain.

There's no evidence the gunman who targeted Giffords was motivated by politics, but the aftermath left many people concerned about the venom in public life. A conservative Democrat, Giffords had been harshly criticized for voting in favor of the health overhaul, and won re-election by a narrow margin.

House Republican leaders say they're working to keep this week's debate — and expected vote Wednesday — from degenerating into a shouting match, but it depends on the Democrats, too. Republicans want a thoughtful discussion about substantive policy differences, said Brad Dayspring, a spokesman for Rep. Eric Cantor, the No. 2 GOP leader. The AP-GfK poll was under way when the attack in Tucson took place Jan. 8.

Opposition to the law remains strongest among Republicans. Seventy-one percent of them say they're against it, as compared with 35 percent of independents and 19 percent of Democrats. Republicans won back control of the House partly on a promise to repeal what they dismissively term as "Obamacare."

"I just think that the liberal left is more going for socialized medicine, and I don't think that works well," said Earl Ray Fye, 66, a farmer from Pennsylvania Furnace, Pa., and a conservative Republican. "It just costs too much. This country better get concerned about getting more conservative."

One of the major Republican criticisms of the law found wide acceptance in the poll, suggesting a vulnerability that GOP politicians can continue to press.

Nearly six in 10 oppose the law's requirement that people carry health insurance except in cases of financial hardship. Starting in 2014, people will have to show that they're covered either through an employer, a government program, or under their own plan.

Rich Johnson, 34, an unemployed laborer from Caledonia, Wis., said he thinks the heart of the law is good. "The problem I have with it is mandating insurance so that you have to have it or you'll get fines," said Johnson, an independent. "I just don't think people should be forced to have it. The rest of it, I have no problem with."

The individual mandate started out as a Republican idea during an earlier health care debate in the 1990s. More recently, Massachusetts enacted such a requirement under GOP Gov. Mitt Romney and the Democratic Legislature. Nowadays, most conservatives are against it, and GOP state attorneys general are suing to have the mandate overturned as unconstitutional.

Other major provisions of the law, including a requirement that insurers accept people with pre-existing medical conditions, got support from half or more of the public in the poll.

Loralyn Conover, 42 a former music teacher with multiple sclerosis, says she hopes repeal goes nowhere. Senate Democrats say they'll block it.

The new law "opens the door for people like me to have some kind of pay-as-you-go health insurance," said Conover, of Albuquerque, N.M. "It's nice to be able to have something . and not be dropped in the cracks of society." She couldn't get health insurance when she was first diagnosed, but is now covered by Medicare.

The AP-GfK Poll was conducted Jan. 5-10 by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cell phone interviews with 1,001 adults nationwide, and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.2 percentage points.