President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Saint John]

[Seven Wishes2]

Where the hell did all the Obama supporters and defenders go? A hotel in Illinois maybe?

Probably taking all their dead relatives to vote for Rahm Emanuel today, if I could venture a guess.

Perchance because there is a consensus! Thank God Bush and the Euros were able to help dismantle Libya's arsenal.

[Saint John]

Where the hell did all the Obama supporters and defenders go? A hotel in Illinois maybe?

Probably taking all their dead relatives to vote for Rahm Emanuel today, if I could venture a guess.

Perchance because there is a consensus! Thank God Bush and the Euros were able to help dismantle Libya's arsenal.

Like Hussein, I find it almost impossible to believe that everything is gone. I hope I'm wrong, but 41 years is a long time to be able to hide something. And the way he seems to be willing to go out blazing worries the shit out of me. But he probably has far less than he did a decade ago.

[RossValoryRocks]

Where the hell did all the Obama supporters and defenders go? A hotel in Illinois maybe?

Probably taking all their dead relatives to vote for Rahm Emanuel today, if I could venture a guess.

Perchance because there is a consensus! Thank God Bush and the Euros were able to help dismantle Libya's arsenal.

Who are you and how did you get on the REAL 7's account?

[Behshad]

Where the hell did all the Obama supporters and defenders go? A hotel in Illinois maybe?

Probably taking all their dead relatives to vote for Rahm Emanuel today, if I could venture a guess.

Perchance because there is a consensus! Thank God Bush and the Euros were able to help dismantle Libya's arsenal.

Who are you and how did you get on the REAL 7's account?

Someone hacked into Saint Johns account too. Guess every "Dan" on this board is at risk !

[Seven Wishes2]

Look, I give credit where it's due. While I know for a fact Reagan himself did not set out to win the cold war by bankrupting the Soviets - many of those who worked in his Administration are on the record as believing Reagan was simply trying to ensure America stayed one step ahead of the Russians - the fact is, his escalation directly contributed to the tearing down of the Iron Curtain. Reagan was not the spendthrift he is reputed to have been, as he actually proposed $163 billion MORE in spending than was passed by the largely Democratic House and Senate, but he was a tremendous leader.

I also thought Bush Sr. was a good President for the most part - he just happened to preside over a recession he had little to do with, and it came at the wrong time.

[Seven Wishes2]

Somehow I think I should have said something really negative about someone, because this thread is losing steam faster than Sid Bream tagging up on a sac fly.

[conversationpc]

Somehow I think I should have said something really negative about someone, because this thread is losing steam faster than Sid Bream tagging up on a sac fly.

[Seven Wishes2]

Frankly, we can't go on like this, what with everyone agreeing about a lot of shit and all. I'm thinking about breaking up with this board. Where is FF with some slanted blog quote when you need a good rhubarb?

[S2M]

Somehow I think I should have said something really negative about someone, because this thread is losing steam faster than Sid Bream tagging up on a sac fly.

Well, when you got Barry Bonds(repubs) throwing soft balls...I can see that....

[Rick]

Somehow I think I should have said something really negative about someone, because this thread is losing steam faster than Sid Bream tagging up on a sac fly.

This might pep it up. What are your thoughts on what Governor Walker is doing? And what's going on in Indiana?

[conversationpc]

Somehow I think I should have said something really negative about someone, because this thread is losing steam faster than Sid Bream tagging up on a sac fly.

This might pep it up. What are your thoughts on what Governor Walker is doing? And what's going on in Indiana?

What's going on in Indiana is that the cowards left town instead of doing their damn job, not to mention that what they're doing is actually illegal. It's mostly over the Right to Work legislation, which is eminently fair, in my opinion. I support people's right to form a union but people should not be forced to join one if they don't want to.

[Saint John]

Saudi Arabian College Student Arrested in Texas on Terrorist Charges; Target May Have Been George W. Bush: Report (story developing)

U.S. authorities have arrested a 20-year-old Saudi national on charges he tried to use a weapon of mass destruction and potentially targeted former President George W. Bush, the Justice Department said on Thursday.

Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari, who was admitted into the United States in 2008 on a student visa, was arrested in Texas on Wednesday by FBI agents. He was accused of purchasing chemicals and equipment to make an improvised explosive device, the Justice Department said.

Don't even tell us about this. Just make him disappear. He's not a U.S. citizen so we should expedite the process and just execute and bury him.

[RedWingFan]

Don't even tell us about this. Just make him disappear. He's not a U.S. citizen so we should expedite the process and just execute and bury him.

You forgot to say they should waterboard him to get every last bit of info out of him first.....then do it some more on general principle.

[bluejeangirl76]

Somehow I think I should have said something really negative about someone, because this thread is losing steam faster than Sid Bream tagging up on a sac fly.

This might pep it up. What are your thoughts on what Governor Walker is doing? And what's going on in Indiana?

What's going on in Indiana is that the cowards left town instead of doing their damn job, not to mention that what they're doing is actually illegal.

...and if y'all get a minute, would ya mind coming on over here and getting your cowards back... that's be great. Give that message to Wisconsin also. We have enough of our own wacky ass politicians here, we'd like you guys to take yours back. Thanks.

Sincerely, Illinois

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Somehow I think I should have said something really negative about someone, because this thread is losing steam faster than Sid Bream tagging up on a sac fly.

This might pep it up. What are your thoughts on what Governor Walker is doing? And what's going on in Indiana?

What's going on in Indiana is that the cowards left town instead of doing their damn job, not to mention that what they're doing is actually illegal.

...and if y'all get a minute, would ya mind coming on over here and getting your cowards back... that's be great. Give that message to Wisconsin also. We have enough of our own wacky ass politicians here, we'd like you guys to take yours back. Thanks.

Sincerely, Illinois

Oh I bet they have been making a contribution whilst they were in Illinois. Im sure Rahm had em bussed up to a Chicago polling station to vote for him seeing as they were in town anyway.

[bluejeangirl76]

Somehow I think I should have said something really negative about someone, because this thread is losing steam faster than Sid Bream tagging up on a sac fly.

This might pep it up. What are your thoughts on what Governor Walker is doing? And what's going on in Indiana?

What's going on in Indiana is that the cowards left town instead of doing their damn job, not to mention that what they're doing is actually illegal.

...and if y'all get a minute, would ya mind coming on over here and getting your cowards back... that's be great. Give that message to Wisconsin also. We have enough of our own wacky ass politicians here, we'd like you guys to take yours back. Thanks.

Sincerely, Illinois

Oh I bet they have been making a contribution whilst they were in Illinois. Im sure Rahm had em bussed up to a Chicago polling station to vote for him seeing as they were in town anyway.

Why not. We let deceased people vote up here, so sure, let's bus in all of Rahm's buddies and let them have a go. Might as well.

[Seven Wishes2]

I love how a basic principle like worker's rights and collective bargaining has been reduced, on one side, to the degree where management is impotent and performance has no bearing on salaries and bonuses - and to, conversely, the inherent rights of the individual employee that were the imperative for the creation of unions in the first place, and without which employers would have the ability to discriminate and terminate at will without cause. Unions should not have the clout and the irrevocable mandates they do, but they are also a vital component of a free market system, and should never be politicized. The fact that Governor Walker was so candidly venomous when he was pranked by a faux Koch brother is proof enough that he is a slave to his corporate masters. Similarly, the unwillingness of the unions to formulate the construct of some degree of compromise is laughable.

[RedWingFan]

Unions should not have the clout and the irrevocable mandates they do, but they are also a vital component of a free market system, and should never be politicized.

I agree with this if you're talking about a union of the private sector. People being paid with tax dollars is a whole different ball of wax.

Do you agree that if someone wants to apply for a job at GM they shouldn't be forced to join the UAW?

The fact that Governor Walker was so candidly venomous when he was pranked by a faux Koch brother....

He didn't say anything that he hasn't already said in public.

...is proof enough that he is a slave to his corporate masters.

You do realize that the "corporate masters" are the taxpayers who pay these Union members salaries and benefits right?

[Seven Wishes2]

Do you agree that if someone wants to apply for a job at GM they shouldn't be forced to join the UAW?

Absolutely, 100%. I'm as opposed to this as I am the health care individual mandate.

You do realize that the "corporate masters" are the taxpayers who pay these Union members salaries and benefits right?

No, Big Business, which has an agenda to eliminate unions, and the Koch brothers et all, are Walker's corporate masters. He's as adept at knowing what's best for the average taxpayer as he is at screening his phone calls.

[RedWingFan]

Do you agree that if someone wants to apply for a job at GM they shouldn't be forced to join the UAW?

Absolutely, 100%. I'm as opposed to this as I am the health care individual mandate.

You do realize that the "corporate masters" are the taxpayers who pay these Union members salaries and benefits right?

No, Big Business, which has an agenda to eliminate unions, and the Koch brothers et all, are Walker's corporate masters. He's as adept at knowing what's best for the average taxpayer as he is at screening his phone calls.

This whole deal has nothing to do with unions in the private sector. He said as much right at the beginning. This is public sector only.

Even FDR was against the unionization of public sector workers.

[conversationpc]

This whole deal has nothing to do with unions in the private sector. He said as much right at the beginning. This is public sector only.

Even FDR was against the unionization of public sector workers.

Employees who are paid by taxpayer dollars should not be able to hold the public's government hostage. As much as government pisses me off, it's still vital that it remains functioning to do the business of the people.

[Seven Wishes2]

This whole deal has nothing to do with unions in the private sector. He said as much right at the beginning. This is public sector only.

Even FDR was against the unionization of public sector workers.

When did I even mention the private sector? This is a politically motivated attempt to strip federal and state employees of their basic rights. FDR was President 70 years ago. Times have changed. Public employees should have the same rights as those in the private sector. But they do need to pay their fair share for benefits. NOT at the price of losing their right to collectively bargain.

[conversationpc]

This whole deal has nothing to do with unions in the private sector. He said as much right at the beginning. This is public sector only.

Even FDR was against the unionization of public sector workers.

When did I even mention the private sector? This is a politically motivated attempt to strip federal and state employees of their basic rights. FDR was President 70 years ago. Times have changed. Public employees should have the same rights as those in the private sector. But they do need to pay their fair share for benefits. NOT at the price of losing their right to collectively bargain.

There is no right to collective barganing. Collective bargaining is a legislated privilege given to unions by friendly lawmakers.

Time for the Dems to buck up and accept the fact that the ONLY reason the Democratic party is upset about this is because it would weaken their cash base from Big Union. Just like you slam Repubs for their ties to Big Oil (and rightly so in many cases), you should realize this has nothing to do with the average worker like the phony Dems are claiming it does. It's about money and keeping their rusty wheels greased.

[Seven Wishes2]

I see it's taken no time for the Party to reel you in hook, line, and sinker.

As if lower-middle class firemen, teachers, and policemen are the elite class. Give me a fucking break. You've swallowed the collective load. The right of collective bargaining has a minimal impact on the overall budget. The Wisconsinites are already willing to pay more for their benefits. To deprive them of their hard-earned rights is ridiculous. Come on.

[Seven Wishes2]

Time for the Dems to buck up and accept the fact that the ONLY reason the Democratic party is upset about this is because it would weaken their cash base from Big Union. Just like you slam Repubs for their ties to Big Oil (and rightly so in many cases), you should realize this has nothing to do with the average worker like the phony Dems are claiming it does. It's about money and keeping their rusty wheels greased.

Really? Even though it's 110% a Republican political agenda? No, you're wrong. The opposite is true. Traditionally right-leaning policemen and firemen - let alone their typically lefitst civil servant and teacher counterparts - will start voting for the Demorats. It's a losing proposition. 65% of the country agrees collective bargaining right should NOT be taken away in Wisconsin or any other state.

Good Lord. The Democratic Party stands to wield considerably more power as a consequence of this. Keep alienating the average Joe - a large majority of whom believe the rich and wealthy corporations should be paying more taxes - and it will bite the GOP in the ass like a shark in 2012.

[Seven Wishes2]

should realize this has nothing to do with the average worker like the phony Dems are claiming it does.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the average worker. Cops, teachers, and firemen usually make far less than the median income of $54,000 per year. In fact, it's more like $35,000. Yeah, those Fat Cats are living a life of luxury off the taxpayer dollar.

Call me when the shuttle lands.

[conversationpc]

should realize this has nothing to do with the average worker like the phony Dems are claiming it does.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the average worker. Cops, teachers, and firemen usually make far less than the median income of $54,000 per year. In fact, it's more like $35,000. Yeah, those Fat Cats are living a life of luxury off the taxpayer dollar.

Call me when the shuttle lands.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth but I never said police or firemen make a ton of money. Typical Dem demonization of anyone who points out the truth. The ones living their life of luxury off the taxpayer dollar are the fatcat union bosses and the phony Dems who suck off the tit of the unions.

Dems live off Big Union = Fact.

[conversationpc]

I see it's taken no time for the Party to reel you in hook, line, and sinker.

As if lower-middle class firemen, teachers, and policemen are the elite class. Give me a fucking break.

Screw you. Stick to what I actually said. How does "Big Union" = "average middle class firemen, teachers, and policemen" being an "elite class".

I suppose the average joe working for Big Oil would be considered elite to you if this is your mentality?

[Seven Wishes2]

Re-read your posts. They were quite clear. You don't get to be a revisionist and try to suggest you were referring exclusively to "union bosses".