President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Seven Wishes2]

"Enlightenment scale?" No offense, LiePaster, but your sources, unlike mine, are about as balanced as Bob Dornan.

[Rockindeano]

You have me at 4.5+?

Call me a sonofbitch, but I am calling it right now.

Obama wins by 130 ev's. Not even close.
The Dems win back the House
and KEEP the Senate.

Those are my 4.5 numbers.

I DO think FF is decent AMERICAN THOUGH.

[S2M]

One thing, and then I'll go back to my hole....

Why is it that Obama is a horrible president, but a republican couldn't get anything done because his party didn't control the House and Senate? Now, I believe Obama IS horrible....but why the contradictory analysis?

[conversationpc]

...and Deano predicting a quick .75 cent a gallon drop in gas prices.

Ummm...Yeah, right. Gas went from about $3.65/gallon at this time last week to now being $4.15/gallon. Maybe he meant it was going to go UP by $0.75/gallon?

[S2M]

...and Deano predicting a quick .75 cent a gallon drop in gas prices.

Ummm...Yeah, right. Gas went from about $3.65/gallon at this time last week to now being $4.15/gallon. Maybe he meant it was going to go UP by $0.75/gallon?

Again, if the states and government would waive the taxes on gas until the price came down....we'd have cheaper gas. Not difficult at all.

[hoagiepete]

...and Deano predicting a quick .75 cent a gallon drop in gas prices.

Ummm...Yeah, right. Gas went from about $3.65/gallon at this time last week to now being $4.15/gallon. Maybe he meant it was going to go UP by $0.75/gallon?

Again, if the states and government would waive the taxes on gas until the price came down....we'd have cheaper gas. Not difficult at all.

Are you being serious or joking?

The gas tax largely funds the upkeep of the nations highways, roads and bridges. Do away with the gas tax and do away with roads as we know them. That is one of the things the government is SUPPOSED to fund, infrastructure.

[S2M]

...and Deano predicting a quick .75 cent a gallon drop in gas prices.

Ummm...Yeah, right. Gas went from about $3.65/gallon at this time last week to now being $4.15/gallon. Maybe he meant it was going to go UP by $0.75/gallon?

Again, if the states and government would waive the taxes on gas until the price came down....we'd have cheaper gas. Not difficult at all.

Are you being serious or joking?

The gas tax largely funds the upkeep of the nations highways, roads and bridges. Do away with the gas tax and do away with roads as we know them. That is one of the things the government is SUPPOSED to fund, infrastructure.

What part of 'until the price comes down' didn't you understand?

[hoagiepete]

...and Deano predicting a quick .75 cent a gallon drop in gas prices.

Ummm...Yeah, right. Gas went from about $3.65/gallon at this time last week to now being $4.15/gallon. Maybe he meant it was going to go UP by $0.75/gallon?

Again, if the states and government would waive the taxes on gas until the price came down....we'd have cheaper gas. Not difficult at all.

Are you being serious or joking?

The gas tax largely funds the upkeep of the nations highways, roads and bridges. Do away with the gas tax and do away with roads as we know them. That is one of the things the government is SUPPOSED to fund, infrastructure.

What part of 'until the price comes down' didn't you understand?

Oh, the roads will all stop crumbling "until the price comes down" as well. Sweet.

[conversationpc]

...and Deano predicting a quick .75 cent a gallon drop in gas prices.

Ummm...Yeah, right. Gas went from about $3.65/gallon at this time last week to now being $4.15/gallon. Maybe he meant it was going to go UP by $0.75/gallon?

Again, if the states and government would waive the taxes on gas until the price came down....we'd have cheaper gas. Not difficult at all.

And therein lies part of the problem. As much as the government cries about BIG OIL and their profits, the government makes even more off a gallon of gas. Hypocrites.

[S2M]

LieFinder....answer my question:

Why is it that when a Republican President does a shitty job it is because the house and senate were blocking him from governing....but when a Democrat fails as president - it is because he's incompetent?

[slucero]

[Rockindeano]

This country is Center/Right, leaning right, make no mistake. It's the stupid compassion that gets in our way.

It is? Last time I checked, Obama garnered more votes than the "righty" did. Before that Gore received more votes than W did. I don't understand your claim. Also, "stupid compassion?" Are you fucking heartless dude?

[steveo777]

This country is Center/Right, leaning right, make no mistake. It's the stupid compassion that gets in our way.

It is? Last time I checked, Obama garnered more votes than the "righty" did. Before that Gore received more votes than W did. I don't understand your claim. Also, "stupid compassion?" Are you fucking heartless dude?

And the votes were recounted, because it just couldn't be, that Bore could have won.

[Rockindeano]

This country is Center/Right, leaning right, make no mistake. It's the stupid compassion that gets in our way.

It is? Last time I checked, Obama garnered more votes than the "righty" did. Before that Gore received more votes than W did. I don't understand your claim. Also, "stupid compassion?" Are you fucking heartless dude?

And the votes were recounted, because it just couldn't be, that Bore could have won.

Moron, Gore lost the election, but still had more votes. Look it up.

[Rockindeano]

BreakingNews

Obama campaign sets goal of raising $60 million in quarter - Reuters http://reut.rs/mTOuci

2 hours ago

I believe that number is a bit low. He expects to raise 1 Billion, with a B, for his reelection bid. What is so wrong with that?

[steveo777]

This country is Center/Right, leaning right, make no mistake. It's the stupid compassion that gets in our way.

It is? Last time I checked, Obama garnered more votes than the "righty" did. Before that Gore received more votes than W did. I don't understand your claim. Also, "stupid compassion?" Are you fucking heartless dude?

And the votes were recounted, because it just couldn't be, that Bore could have won.

Moron, Gore lost the election, but still had more votes. Look it up.

That post was joke, dick hole.

[Seven Wishes2]

FF, do you actually believe the drivel you post, or are you just fucking with us?

Categorically, you're dead wrong about every last thing you've said the past two days.

First of all, your climatologist has had ZERO peer-reviewed research paper on climate change. He has, in fact, written a total of ONE article about ANYTHING (published in 1987 and having nothing to do with climate change). He has a PhD in electronic engineering. The article you've quoted was written by Evans FOR PROFIT for the Lavoisier Group, a "think tank" sponsored by the mining industry.

FAIL.

I have posted so much irrefutable information about mankind's role in climate change that I'm not going to even bother to refer you to the dozens of peer-reviewed, scientifically factual sources which have universally concurred humans are responsible for it. Let alone the fact that 99.5% of all peer-reviewed publications on climate change in the past 25 years have argued AGAINST your "opinion".

Here's one for you, ShitPaster.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/12/tropical-troposphere-trends/

"In fact, the IPCC summary was written and reviewed by some of the most senior climate scientists in the world, without political or bureaucratic input . And the Fraser Institute’s 'scientific' staff – which is led by an economist – includes a group of junior or retired scientists, most of whom have direct connections to energy industry lobby groups.

http://www.desmogblog.com/fraser-institute-ipcc-london-report?page=1

The scientific community has united, and includes vast numbers of scientists who were strongly opposed to those who recognized global warming as having devastating effects on all life on Earth, as well as on all economies of the world, on all population centers and coasts of the world, on the very ecosystem we ALL depend on.

[slucero]

FF, do you actually believe the drivel you post, or are you just fucking with us?

Categorically, you're dead wrong about every last thing you've said the past two days.

First of all, your climatologist has had ZERO peer-reviewed research paper on climate change. He has, in fact, written a total of ONE article about ANYTHING (published in 1987 and having nothing to do with climate change). He has a PhD in electronic engineering. The article you've quoted was written by Evans FOR PROFIT for the Lavoisier Group, a "think tank" sponsored by the mining industry.

FAIL.

I have posted so much irrefutable information about mankind's role in climate change that I'm not going to even bother to refer you to the dozens of peer-reviewed, scientifically factual sources which have universally concurred humans are responsible for it. Let alone the fact that 99.5% of all peer-reviewed publications on climate change in the past 25 years have argued AGAINST your "opinion".

Here's one for you, ShitPaster.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/12/tropical-troposphere-trends/

"In fact, the IPCC summary was written and reviewed by some of the most senior climate scientists in the world, without political or bureaucratic input . And the Fraser Institute’s 'scientific' staff – which is led by an economist – includes a group of junior or retired scientists, most of whom have direct connections to energy industry lobby groups.

http://www.desmogblog.com/fraser-institute-ipcc-london-report?page=1

The scientific community has united, and includes vast numbers of scientists who were strongly opposed to those who recognized global warming as having devastating effects on all life on Earth, as well as on all economies of the world, on all population centers and coasts of the world, on the very ecosystem we ALL depend on.

The only thing that is irrefutable is that you are fucking moron....


Got anymore brilliant economic analysis there Nancy? That ADP jobs creation number was stellar... 38,000 on expectations of 180,000

[Rockindeano]

FF, do you actually believe the drivel you post, or are you just fucking with us?

Categorically, you're dead wrong about every last thing you've said the past two days.

First of all, your climatologist has had ZERO peer-reviewed research paper on climate change. He has, in fact, written a total of ONE article about ANYTHING (published in 1987 and having nothing to do with climate change). He has a PhD in electronic engineering. The article you've quoted was written by Evans FOR PROFIT for the Lavoisier Group, a "think tank" sponsored by the mining industry.

FAIL.

I have posted so much irrefutable information about mankind's role in climate change that I'm not going to even bother to refer you to the dozens of peer-reviewed, scientifically factual sources which have universally concurred humans are responsible for it. Let alone the fact that 99.5% of all peer-reviewed publications on climate change in the past 25 years have argued AGAINST your "opinion".

Here's one for you, ShitPaster.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/12/tropical-troposphere-trends/

"In fact, the IPCC summary was written and reviewed by some of the most senior climate scientists in the world, without political or bureaucratic input . And the Fraser Institute’s 'scientific' staff – which is led by an economist – includes a group of junior or retired scientists, most of whom have direct connections to energy industry lobby groups.

http://www.desmogblog.com/fraser-institute-ipcc-london-report?page=1

The scientific community has united, and includes vast numbers of scientists who were strongly opposed to those who recognized global warming as having devastating effects on all life on Earth, as well as on all economies of the world, on all population centers and coasts of the world, on the very ecosystem we ALL depend on.

The only thing that is irrefutable is that you are fucking moron....


Got anymore brilliant economic analysis there Nancy? That ADP jobs creation number was stellar... 38,000 on expectations of 180,000

Please. The guy is one of the most intelligent persons here. Just because he doesn't tow the right wing line, he is an moron?

You folk on the right are going to get a rude awakening come next November....your losing EVERYTHING. Get ready.

[Seven Wishes2]

Ponit #2. If the Republican "strategy" of taxing the shit out of the middle class, increasing tax loopholes for mega corporations, and reducing taxes on the ultra-rich actually worked, why the fuck did the United States lose MILLIONS of jobs under Bush Jr., whose tax policies were in place for more than half a decade? Why did we go from having a budget surplus in the last two years of the Clinton Administration to trillions upon trillions of dollars in the hole under Dumbya? Why has the economy added jobs every month for the past 18 months, when there was a net job loss EVERY MONTH for the last six quarters of Dubbya's reign? Why has the Dow at a record high?

Give me a fucking break. Republicans don't know how to run in circles to chase their own dingleberry-infested tails, let alone a government. Epic failure for eight years under Bush.

And when you try to insinuate TNC is on "your side" when it comes to Obama, you're very out of touch. Obama has failed to appease his constituency by failing to end the Bush-era tax cuts for the ultra-rich, make climate change legislation a priority, and continuing to support things like the Patriot Act. That in no way should be construed as acquiescing or conceding to you GOP stalwarts.

[Rockindeano]

Ponit #2. If the Republican "strategy" of taxing the shit out of the middle class, increasing tax loopholes for mega corporations, and reducing taxes on the ultra-rich actually worked, why the fuck did the United States lose MILLIONS of jobs under Bush Jr., whose tax policies were in place for more than half a decade? Why did we go from having a budget surplus in the last two years of the Clinton Administration to trillions upon trillions of dollars in the hole under Dumbya? Why has the economy added jobs every month for the past 18 months, when there was a net job loss EVERY MONTH for the last six quarters of Dubbya's reign? Why has the Dow at a record high?

Especially when W NEVER included the WAR(s) in his budgets!

[Seven Wishes2]

Got anymore brilliant economic analysis there Nancy? That ADP jobs creation number was stellar... 38,000 on expectations of 180,000

Hey, sausage tits. Here's the news. In spite of Bush being responsible for TWO recessions and almost causing a global depression...and don't forget the global financial crisis began in 2008, a year BEFORE Obama took office...the world is in a MUCH better place economically than it was two years ago.

Douche, ANY net job gain is better than Bush's best month. The unemployment rate more than DOUBLED under Bush. That hadn't happened since Hoover.

Wow, you are a stupid, gullible fuck.

[Seven Wishes2]

Nice try at baiting and switching, too, I might add. You fucks never actually address the issues head-on, with actual facts, because you don't have any. All you have is right-wing hatemongering, blog posts,and op-ed pieces.

And if you don't think the Republicans FUCKED themselves by nearly unanimously voting to dismantle Medicare (and don't try to pretty that fiasco up or subvert the conversation with technical jargon you know is complete bullshit), you're even more stupid than your grammatically- and factually- challenged, brain-dead blathering would lead anyone to believe. You had the proverbial touchdown catch for White House, Congress, and House, and you fumbled the ball at the one. Now the opposition has a clear path to victory on the other end. I don't even think the Democrats can fuck this up, but you never know. They're damned good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'll give you this, slucero. You're at least trying. But whereas some of your brethren at least sometimes acknowledge their "sources" are usually dubious, you, on the other hand, toe the company line more than anyone else on this board.

Also, most Americans see through the haze of the debt ceiling. You GOP fucks were giddy about raising it every fucking year under Bush - while slashing government revenues with unnecessary and disastrous tax cuts for the ultra-rich, and spending like a late-middle aged white CEO at the Bunny Ranch. Now that someone is actually using revenues to create jobs and stabilize the economy, you're on the complete other end of the spectrum.

Slucero, you're a dumb, hypocritical ignoramus.

[S2M]

Obama will NOT get re-elected. Just thought I'd throw that little tidbit out there....his record sucks. He has nothing positive to run on. He's toast. it is true that the unemployment rate has only jumped .1%, from 8.9% to 9.0% since he's been in office....but he hasn't helped create jobs in a sufficient manner. Who cares about getting OBL? I don't.

[Seven Wishes2]

Obama will NOT get re-elected. Just thought I'd throw that little tidbit out there....his record sucks. He has nothing positive to run on. He's toast. it is true that the unemployment rate has only jumped .1%, from 8.9% to 9.0% since he's been in office....but he hasn't helped create jobs in a sufficient manner. Who cares about getting OBL? I don't.

Dude, you're also the guy who thinks a third-party candidate is going to win in 2012.

WTF are you smoking?

[S2M]

Obama will NOT get re-elected. Just thought I'd throw that little tidbit out there....his record sucks. He has nothing positive to run on. He's toast. it is true that the unemployment rate has only jumped .1%, from 8.9% to 9.0% since he's been in office....but he hasn't helped create jobs in a sufficient manner. Who cares about getting OBL? I don't.

Dude, you're also the guy who thinks a third-party candidate is going to win in 2012.

WTF are you smoking?

We're not talking Tom Platz, Lee Haney, or Gladys Portugues here, 7.....

[Seven Wishes2]

Who, Ron Paul? How about his son? Paul-Paul in 2012? Seriously? This country is at least one generation away from electing a third party candidate, appealing as though that may be.

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

Who, Ron Paul? How about his son? Paul-Paul in 2012? Seriously? This country is at least one generation away from electing a third party candidate, appealing as though that may be.

I dont think you'll ever see one. You might see parties dissolve and reconstitute themselves like the Whigs did in 1856. I dont think you sell a big third party though. The only third party that has come seriously close to winning was Teddy Roosevelt in 1916 and he was a well liked ex president.

The Pauls actually are a good example of why. I don't think either Rand nor Ron can particularly stomach the GOP , but they know they can't really get much done for their cause unless they in a major party.

[Seven Wishes2]

Huh! Go figure! A conservative British publication citing yet another skewed and unbiased Rasmussen poll, and then drawing conclusions without addressing or acknowledging the changing political landscape in America, the fact that the economy is much better now than it was under Bush Jr.'s guidance, or the recent anti-Medicare debacle that is going to doom the GOP in 2012. Well done!

[Seven Wishes2]

You, slucero, and the lot of you assuredly suffer from the Dunning–Kruger effect. It is defined as a cognitive bias in which unskilled people make poor decisions and reach erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to appreciate their mistakes.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/20/the-anosognosics-dilemma-1/

Just to hammer the final nail into your logically felled arguments, oh mighty Republican pseudoscientists, I'll post this for the THIRD TIME.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

This is a compendium of favorite, long-debunked arguments that get used over and over. For each argument there is a page that:
- explains the argument
- explains why it's wrong
- gives references to peer-reviewed articles in credible journals
- gives examples of people using the argument

Done, and done. Owned. The lot of you, like the GOP, have failed epically. Move along.