President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[RedWingFan]

Wow, you guys are relentless, if nothing else. Palin flat-out quit her job. It's not AT ALL the same thing when a politician seeks higher office. Sorry.

We're not even talking about Palin, we're talking about the media. Try to keep up.

[Rockindeano]

No Scotty, 7 is right here. Obama quit his job to seek POTUS. Palin flat out quit to go whore herself out at Fox. \Be honest.

Make you a deal. I will smack my own( I do anyway), but you guys be honest too.

Deal?


On a side note, you see Auburn FB visit Obama. That one big fat black guy chest bumped the President. Man, that takes balls dude. You think Gretz was untouchable...The POTUS is untouchable.

[Seven Wishes2]

Wow, you guys are relentless, if nothing else. Palin flat-out quit her job. It's not AT ALL the same thing when a politician seeks higher office. Sorry.

We're not even talking about Palin, we're talking about the media. Try to keep up.

No, you're not.

Besides, if I worked for Palin (as the lawyers who "vetted" these emails do), I would be THRILLED about this development. ANYTHING containing ANYTHING controversial was simply removed from the emails released (which were requested in 2008, I might add). Most people (see above) are stupid and easily fooled, and more than a few people will now think Palin is "clean" when these emails in no way, shape, or form, exonerate her from any of the numerous charges levied against her over the years by former campaign workers, as well as state and local governments.

Anyway, barring a Great Depression, the GOP's kill-Medicare votes will KILL Republicans in 2012. DOA.

[donnaplease]

No Scotty, 7 is right here. Obama quit his job to seek POTUS. Palin flat out quit to go whore herself out at Fox. \Be honest.

Make you a deal. I will smack my own( I do anyway), but you guys be honest too.

Deal?


On a side note, you see Auburn FB visit Obama. That one big fat black guy chest bumped the President. Man, that takes balls dude. You think Gretz was untouchable...The POTUS is untouchable.

Obama didn't actually 'quit' his job though. He continud to act (well, not act) as senator while running for POTUS. I realize this is not uncommon, as most candidates do it, but in a way I give Palin credit for stepping down if she knew she would not be devoting the time to the job that it requires. I'm ambivalent about this topic. I'm frustrated that with the economy in the tank and the recent jobs news that Obama is now on the campaign trail instead of doing what it takes to try to improve things. I realize he may be able to 'walk and chew gum at the same time', but there's no way his mind is where it needs to be if he's devoting so much time to campaigning for an election that's a year and a half away. I may have a different view than most though - I thought BO and McCain would have been right to 'suspend' their campaigns in '08 to return to the senate when things went south during the last election. It showed more leadership, IMO, to do the job they were hired to do instead of continuing ahead toward what they wanted to do.

[donnaplease]

I re-listened yesterday to the presser that Anthony Weiner gave, and I'd love to know how many times he said he was 'taking responsibility' for not only his inappropriate actions, but his lying and wrongful accusations. I'm wondering exactly what responsibility he's taking if he is refusing to resign his position in the House... Sure, he fessed up (at least as far as we know, there seems to be more info emerging about him corresponding with a 17 year old ) but in my mind he's not taking responsibility unless he steps down. It may seem partisan, but when the pictures emerged about Chris Lee in NY, he immediately resigned (that was a sick bastard - has anyone ever looked at those craigslist ads...?) which to me was taking responsibility. Weiner kept also calling his actions "a mistake". No they weren't!!! He didn't accidentally have phone sex or send pictures of his erect penis to women who were not his wife! He did what he did because he's an arrogant asshole, just like many politicians out there on both sides of the aisle!

He should do the right thing and resign, his own party is asking for it. I don't buy the 'it's up the his constituents to decide' because ultimately his votes in congress affect us all. Our politicians should be role models for our young people, and this is NO ONE that I want my children to look up to. As for the comparison to Arnold, while I think he was/is a MAJOR a-hole for what he did to Maria and his family, there really isn't any political fallout (which is what we're really discussing here) since he's no longer in office. But if he was... you can bet your sweet ass he should have been run out of that governor's mansion too! All we can do now I guess is boycott his movies.

[Rockindeano]

No Scotty, 7 is right here. Obama quit his job to seek POTUS. Palin flat out quit to go whore herself out at Fox. \Be honest.

Make you a deal. I will smack my own( I do anyway), but you guys be honest too.

Deal?


On a side note, you see Auburn FB visit Obama. That one big fat black guy chest bumped the President. Man, that takes balls dude. You think Gretz was untouchable...The POTUS is untouchable.

Obama didn't actually 'quit' his job though. He continud to act (well, not act) as senator while running for POTUS. I realize this is not uncommon, as most candidates do it, but in a way I give Palin credit for stepping down if she knew she would not be devoting the time to the job that it requires. I'm ambivalent about this topic. I'm frustrated that with the economy in the tank and the recent jobs news that Obama is now on the campaign trail instead of doing what it takes to try to improve things. I realize he may be able to 'walk and chew gum at the same time', but there's no way his mind is where it needs to be if he's devoting so much time to campaigning for an election that's a year and a half away. I may have a different view than most though - I thought BO and McCain would have been right to 'suspend' their campaigns in '08 to return to the senate when things went south during the last election. It showed more leadership, IMO, to do the job they were hired to do instead of continuing ahead toward what they wanted to do.

Nonsense. The POTUS can run the country/world from Airforce 1. It's a moblie White House. He is allowed to campaign. Every president has done it.

[donnaplease]

No Scotty, 7 is right here. Obama quit his job to seek POTUS. Palin flat out quit to go whore herself out at Fox. \Be honest.

Make you a deal. I will smack my own( I do anyway), but you guys be honest too.

Deal?


On a side note, you see Auburn FB visit Obama. That one big fat black guy chest bumped the President. Man, that takes balls dude. You think Gretz was untouchable...The POTUS is untouchable.

Obama didn't actually 'quit' his job though. He continud to act (well, not act) as senator while running for POTUS. I realize this is not uncommon, as most candidates do it, but in a way I give Palin credit for stepping down if she knew she would not be devoting the time to the job that it requires. I'm ambivalent about this topic. I'm frustrated that with the economy in the tank and the recent jobs news that Obama is now on the campaign trail instead of doing what it takes to try to improve things. I realize he may be able to 'walk and chew gum at the same time', but there's no way his mind is where it needs to be if he's devoting so much time to campaigning for an election that's a year and a half away. I may have a different view than most though - I thought BO and McCain would have been right to 'suspend' their campaigns in '08 to return to the senate when things went south during the last election. It showed more leadership, IMO, to do the job they were hired to do instead of continuing ahead toward what they wanted to do.

Nonsense. The POTUS can run the country/world from Airforce 1. It's a moblie White House. He is allowed to campaign. Every president has done it.

Tell that to someone who is about to lose their home or has been unemployed for the past year.

[Rockindeano]

No Scotty, 7 is right here. Obama quit his job to seek POTUS. Palin flat out quit to go whore herself out at Fox. \Be honest.

Make you a deal. I will smack my own( I do anyway), but you guys be honest too.

Deal?


On a side note, you see Auburn FB visit Obama. That one big fat black guy chest bumped the President. Man, that takes balls dude. You think Gretz was untouchable...The POTUS is untouchable.

Obama didn't actually 'quit' his job though. He continud to act (well, not act) as senator while running for POTUS. I realize this is not uncommon, as most candidates do it, but in a way I give Palin credit for stepping down if she knew she would not be devoting the time to the job that it requires. I'm ambivalent about this topic. I'm frustrated that with the economy in the tank and the recent jobs news that Obama is now on the campaign trail instead of doing what it takes to try to improve things. I realize he may be able to 'walk and chew gum at the same time', but there's no way his mind is where it needs to be if he's devoting so much time to campaigning for an election that's a year and a half away. I may have a different view than most though - I thought BO and McCain would have been right to 'suspend' their campaigns in '08 to return to the senate when things went south during the last election. It showed more leadership, IMO, to do the job they were hired to do instead of continuing ahead toward what they wanted to do.

Nonsense. The POTUS can run the country/world from Airforce 1. It's a moblie White House. He is allowed to campaign. Every president has done it.

Tell that to someone who is about to lose their home or has been unemployed for the past year.

You mean the person who is unemployed, and Obama fought to keep their Unemployment benefits forthcoming? You mean that guy? The GOP wanted UI over with, no more.

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ShawnaT_DCShawna Thomas

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Both @NancyPelosi and DCCC chair Steve Israel just put out statements calling for @RepWeiner to resign.

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DNC Chair calls on Rep. Weiner to resign, saying 'behavior he has exhibited is indefensible' - NBC's @mmurraypolitics

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come on Tony...stick it out.

So he took some photos of himself. How can that be in any way relevant to his job? That's what counts anways, not if he likes to jerk off on chatroulette in his free time.

[parfait]

BreakingNewsBreaking News
More: Top Democrats urge Rep. Weiner to resign, release statements within minutes of each other - @politico http://politi.co/ks6q82

53 minutes ago


ShawnaT_DCShawna Thomas

by BreakingNews
Both @NancyPelosi and DCCC chair Steve Israel just put out statements calling for @RepWeiner to resign.

1 hour ago



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DNC Chair calls on Rep. Weiner to resign, saying 'behavior he has exhibited is indefensible' - NBC's @mmurraypolitics

1 hour ago





come on Tony...stick it out.

So he took some photos of himself. How can that be in any way relevant to his job? That's what counts anways, not if he likes to jerk off on chatroulette in his free time.

I'd guess this has to do with the 17 year old girl stuff..Pelosi reversed her stance from just last night. Weiner thinks a "Kennedy Vacation" will make it go away. The cops didn't go to that girls house to chat about Weiners latest press release on twitter or facebook.

That changes it - didn't know about the girl.

What a dumbass.

[Memorex]

I'm not sure what's up with the 17 year old - I haven't heard anything torrid. But it seems to be the only development that has caused him to enter a treatment place (lame) and for Nancy and others to call on him to quit. So that tells me there might be something there.

I'm really surprised this issue has lasted this long. At any rate, doubt he can survive this now. I heard Alec Baldwin may run for the mayor slot that anthony wanted. Maybe this is all a baldwin beat down.

[donnaplease]

No Scotty, 7 is right here. Obama quit his job to seek POTUS. Palin flat out quit to go whore herself out at Fox. \Be honest.

Make you a deal. I will smack my own( I do anyway), but you guys be honest too.

Deal?


On a side note, you see Auburn FB visit Obama. That one big fat black guy chest bumped the President. Man, that takes balls dude. You think Gretz was untouchable...The POTUS is untouchable.

Obama didn't actually 'quit' his job though. He continud to act (well, not act) as senator while running for POTUS. I realize this is not uncommon, as most candidates do it, but in a way I give Palin credit for stepping down if she knew she would not be devoting the time to the job that it requires. I'm ambivalent about this topic. I'm frustrated that with the economy in the tank and the recent jobs news that Obama is now on the campaign trail instead of doing what it takes to try to improve things. I realize he may be able to 'walk and chew gum at the same time', but there's no way his mind is where it needs to be if he's devoting so much time to campaigning for an election that's a year and a half away. I may have a different view than most though - I thought BO and McCain would have been right to 'suspend' their campaigns in '08 to return to the senate when things went south during the last election. It showed more leadership, IMO, to do the job they were hired to do instead of continuing ahead toward what they wanted to do.

Nonsense. The POTUS can run the country/world from Airforce 1. It's a moblie White House. He is allowed to campaign. Every president has done it.

Tell that to someone who is about to lose their home or has been unemployed for the past year.

You mean the person who is unemployed, and Obama fought to keep their Unemployment benefits forthcoming? You mean that guy? The GOP wanted UI over with, no more.

Give a man a fish...

[Rick]

Give a man a fish...

and he eats for a day...teach a man to fish and get rid of him for the whole weekend!

Good one. Going fishing next week. Haven't been in ages.

[iceberg]

No Scotty, 7 is right here. Obama quit his job to seek POTUS. Palin flat out quit to go whore herself out at Fox. \Be honest.

Make you a deal. I will smack my own( I do anyway), but you guys be honest too.

Deal?

On a side note, you see Auburn FB visit Obama. That one big fat black guy chest bumped the President. Man, that takes balls dude. You think Gretz was untouchable...The POTUS is untouchable.

whore yourself to fox...

whore yourself to special interests.

i'm surprised anyone sees a difference anymore.

[Seven Wishes2]

FF, you certainly see roses where there's actually just a pile of shit, don't you?

If you think those emails - which were, again, only released with the approval of her legal team (which also withheld several thousand other emails which could have been politically damaging) - tell the whole story about the horrendous Palin, you're drunk on your own stupidity.

It's already out there, but the "liberal" media hasn't been reporting on it very much, even though it shows her to be a fetid governor with her hands tied up in illegal activity, who's also a poor mother to boot.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-02-22/sarah-palin-tell-all-book-details-trig-troopergate-gingrich-more/full/full/full/

Among the MANY, MANY revelations:

4) Palin Broke Election Law

Bailey accuses Palin of blatant illegal activity. During her 2006 campaign for governor, Bailey alleges that Palin broke election law by working with the Republican Governors Association to shoot a campaign commercial. State candidates are not legally allowed to work with groups like the RGA, which ran ads at the time on her behalf, though supposedly "independent" of the Palin gubernatorial campaign. The ad showed Palin walking by a hotel in Anchorage, and Bailey says it was an RGA cameraman who shot it while directing the then-candidate to walk back and forth to ensure there was enough footage. Bailey accuses Palin aide Kris Perry of following the RGA cameraman's directions and that both Palin and Perry knew they were breaking election law. Bailey writes that he had no idea what was happening, although he was also a witness to the filming.

Bailey also writes that Palin skirted the law during the Troopergate affair. (Bailey is perhaps best known publicly for his involvement in the investigation into whether Palin abused her power to push her public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, to fire her former brother-in-law Mike Wooten.) The investigation proved to be a thorn in Palin's side during the vice-presidential campaign, and in August 2008, right before she became John McCain's running mate, the administration released a phone call of Bailey pressuring a trooper lieutenant to investigate Wooten. Palin said Bailey had acted without her permission, but Bailey writes that he was just following the wishes of Palin and especially her husband, Todd, who fed him Wooten's personnel file. Bailey writes of Todd's obsessive involvement in trying to get Wooten fired, backing up allegations that Todd was acting as "shadow governor" during Palin's term. Palin has denied any direct involvement.

5) Palin Said She Hated Being Governor

Bailey writes that Palin tired of the everyday grind of governing the state, as well as the constant criticism. On April 28, 2009, 2½ months before she resigned the Alaska governorship, she sent Bailey an email saying, "I hate this damn job."

[RedWingFan]

FF, you certainly see roses where there's actually just a pile of shit, don't you?

Yeah, what a bitch she is huh?

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... drome.html

In April 2008, two weeks before Trig was born with Down’s Syndrome, Mrs Palin sent the email to her friends and family from her official government account.

In the touching message, Mrs Palin writes from the voice of God, as ‘Trig’s creator, your heavenly father’.

She addresses the ‘unreal, sad and confusing’ news that her soon-to-be born child will have Down’s Syndrome.

The letter’s existence had previously known, but only very brief excerpts had been made public.

Writing as God, Mrs Palin wrote, ‘I let Trig’s mom have an exceptionally comfortable pregnancy so she could enjoy every minute of it…’

She wrote, ‘Trig’s mom and dad’ were told early by doctors that the child ‘may provide more challenges and more joy than what they ever may have imagined or ever asked for.

‘This new person in your life can help everyone put things in perspective… and get everyone focused on what really matters. The baby will expand your world and let you see and feel things you haven’t experienced yet’.

Its emergence today will reinforce claims that, far from damaging Mrs Palin’s presidential hopes, the dossier of emails have in fact helped her campaign to revealing a more human side to the controversial politician.

[Seven Wishes2]

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

You are the moss ignorant douche bag on this board. For God's sake, dude, while Bush was certainly the worst President since the Great Depression, not even the most ardent liberal I know believed he was trying to "deliberately destroy" America. He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war, doubling unemployment, catapulting America to record deficit levels, and destroying the middle class. If you actually think Obama is trying to do that - and I hate to tell you, but the numbers don't lie...and I've posted them time and time again...we are MUCH better off now than we were in 2009, when he was sworn in.

And one email from Palin does not change the fact that she is a hateful, stupid bitch with the common sense of a salad spoon and the cranial capacity of a slug...her toxic vitriol is what's destroying America.

[RedWingFan]

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

You are the moss ignorant douche bag on this board. For God's sake, dude, while Bush was certainly the worst President since the Great Depression, not even the most ardent liberal I know believed he was trying to "deliberately destroy" America. He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war, doubling unemployment, catapulting America to record deficit levels, and destroying the middle class. If you actually think Obama is trying to do that - and I hate to tell you, but the numbers don't lie...and I've posted them time and time again...we are MUCH better off now than we were in 2009, when he was sworn in.

And one email from Palin does not change the fact that she is a hateful, stupid bitch with the common sense of a salad spoon and the cranial capacity of a slug...her toxic vitriol is what's destroying America.

Thank you for completely validating my post!

[Memorex]

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

You are the moss ignorant douche bag on this board. For God's sake, dude, while Bush was certainly the worst President since the Great Depression, not even the most ardent liberal I know believed he was trying to "deliberately destroy" America. He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war, doubling unemployment, catapulting America to record deficit levels, and destroying the middle class. If you actually think Obama is trying to do that - and I hate to tell you, but the numbers don't lie...and I've posted them time and time again...we are MUCH better off now than we were in 2009, when he was sworn in.

And one email from Palin does not change the fact that she is a hateful, stupid bitch with the common sense of a salad spoon and the cranial capacity of a slug...her toxic vitriol is what's destroying America.

Much better off? Step away from the bong. In what area are we better? Unfortunately, I have several friends out of work, unemployment's back on the rise, we are about to lay off a third of our staff, our boss has said he will be dropping our health care soon, and I am paying out the ass for gas and now food prices are rising. I didn't even get my promised bonus this year.

Anyway, not saying it would be any better under McCain, Palin, Bush, or fill in the blank. But my God man, don't even think for a second we are much better off. Some things are better than 2009, most seem worse and even more are far worse than 2007. I sure hope it turns around soon. I'm losing faith though. In the pres and congress. I see no policies getting us out of this.

[Memorex]

By the way - I didn't buy into the hype that we were about to collapse in 2008. And if we did, it would have probably been more painful, but with a faster correction than the way they handled it. Now, it's just so damn sluggish and hardly anyone believes things will turn around anytime soon.

[RedWingFan]

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

You are the moss ignorant douche bag on this board. For God's sake, dude, while Bush was certainly the worst President since the Great Depression, not even the most ardent liberal I know believed he was trying to "deliberately destroy" America. He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war, doubling unemployment, catapulting America to record deficit levels, and destroying the middle class. If you actually think Obama is trying to do that - and I hate to tell you, but the numbers don't lie...and I've posted them time and time again...we are MUCH better off now than we were in 2009, when he was sworn in.

And one email from Palin does not change the fact that she is a hateful, stupid bitch with the common sense of a salad spoon and the cranial capacity of a slug...her toxic vitriol is what's destroying America.

Much better off? Step away from the bong. In what area are we better? Unfortunately, I have several friends out of work, unemployment's back on the rise, we are about to lay off a third of our staff, our boss has said he will be dropping our health care soon, and I am paying out the ass for gas and now food prices are rising. I didn't even get my promised bonus this year.

Anyway, not saying it would be any better under McCain, Palin, Bush, or fill in the blank. But my God man, don't even think for a second we are much better off. Some things are better than 2009, most seem worse and even more are far worse than 2007. I sure hope it turns around soon. I'm losing faith though. In the pres and congress. I see no policies getting us out of this.

7 has listened to Obama and Biden talk about how the economy is "turning the corner" for the last 6 quarters. He swallows everything they say without a doubt. EVERYTHING!

[conversationpc]

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

You are the moss ignorant douche bag on this board. For God's sake, dude, while Bush was certainly the worst President since the Great Depression, not even the most ardent liberal I know believed he was trying to "deliberately destroy" America. He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war, doubling unemployment, catapulting America to record deficit levels, and destroying the middle class. If you actually think Obama is trying to do that - and I hate to tell you, but the numbers don't lie...and I've posted them time and time again...we are MUCH better off now than we were in 2009, when he was sworn in.

And one email from Palin does not change the fact that she is a hateful, stupid bitch with the common sense of a salad spoon and the cranial capacity of a slug...her toxic vitriol is what's destroying America.

Thank you for completely validating my post!

The vitriol used against Palin is far worse than anything she's dished out. I was a big fan of hers at first but quickly learned that she's neither the messiah that some on the right think she is, nor is she the dummy or devil that the nimrods on the left claim her to be.

[iceberg]

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

You are the moss ignorant douche bag on this board. For God's sake, dude, while Bush was certainly the worst President since the Great Depression, not even the most ardent liberal I know believed he was trying to "deliberately destroy" America. He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war, doubling unemployment, catapulting America to record deficit levels, and destroying the middle class. If you actually think Obama is trying to do that - and I hate to tell you, but the numbers don't lie...and I've posted them time and time again...we are MUCH better off now than we were in 2009, when he was sworn in.

And one email from Palin does not change the fact that she is a hateful, stupid bitch with the common sense of a salad spoon and the cranial capacity of a slug...her toxic vitriol is what's destroying America.

then you don't know many ardent liberals.

if you’re going to put bush below carter then our own conversations won’t last very long just because I can’t talk to people that put emotional value higher than common sense. you can’t tell me bush thought he was doing what was right then suddenly pick up every liberal talking point known to democrats and then rail him.

again.

but let’s hit bullet by bullet and see what flushes out. (keep in mind I’m no bush fan either, I think all politicians suck but I won’t put my views and beliefs ahead of common sense so I can feel better about myself).

He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war,

1. illegal war. opinion but tell me, did he follow proper protocol to start the war? what about what obama is doing now? how long can he play “illegal war” before your same sense of right and wrong come into play? however you play this, just make sure standards are the same and not “twisted” to fit your situation and retwisted to hurt the other.

2. doubling unemployment. before I even attempt to talk rationally, which figure are you using? the ones that paint bush the worst, or just numbers w/o people involved? you can’t swing a dead cat in an aquarium without hitting some goldfish that skews numbers to make themselves feel better. in my quick look while it did go up I did not double and his average for all 8 years was just fine. towards the end so much shit was happening from fannie mae and housing that the entire economy took a huge shit and we’re still wiping off the corn we didn’t know they ate.

who’s fault is that? you can’t just look at #’s on the wall and put them on your favorite bad guy. for our economy to fuck up like it has, no single president can do that. sorry. our entire government fucked up and that’s what we need to look at.

3. destroying the middle class. ok. I’m sure this is rational conversation and can easily be explained by a few graphs and charts. I am middle class and far from destroyed. as for deficit levels, how much did bush spend in office and how much did obama in his 1st two years. if you’re going to say he had to because of bush just say “talking point #1” and spare me, please.

4. much better off today than when he was sworn in. really? I’m close to losing a job I’ve had for 19 years as we outsource about anything we can to india for a $. that’s not obama, bush or any single individual. that’s how life works and while I hate it, sometimes life just cycles itself and you get caught up in it. americans unfortunately think when something bad happens to them it’s a winning lottery ticket the government will cash in.

maybe if we stop and think about it where we are is our own cultures fault, not someone elses. anyway, I’m definitely middle class and call bullshit to being better off wondering if my job will go another year or not than I was when bush was around and I could buy a 2006 magnum that was only 18 months old tops and not worry about it. so maybe YOU are better off and that’s fine. but don’t pretend everyone is.

5. palin, since you bring her up and make her the latest poster child for all the countries issues. I do not like palin. I hate the way she talks, I hate the way she forces herself on television and I hate the fact that someone who wants to be president bitches and whines about having to climb some ice on her own damn show. my god, woman, show some balls!!! but she’s far from what is destroying this country.

far from it.

do I want her to be president? far from it. I would much rather we have ron paul come in and lose about 60%+ of the government and let me get back to having control of my own life, sink or swim. I don’t need the government picking me up every time I fall and I don’t need them making me promises for no other reason than to make me believe they give a fuck about me. but people who want to believe the government has some magic wand that will cure their every ill is what is destroying this country. no sense of self worth, no rewarding of accomplishments with reasons to keep on working, we work harder at NOT working these days and we keep milking some mythical “rich” to fund our own inabilities.

obama isn’t out to destroy this country but he is destroying what a lot of hard core people believe, or is trying to in much the same light bush was destroying things you put value on. we get so wrapped up in the needs of our own ID we lose sight of a much bigger picture.

we’re able to say things with a straight face like Guantanamo Bay is a modern day gulag. did you scoff at that, by chance? or did you see a connection? we’ve lost sight of the pain and growth that got us here and we’re heading straight into it again because on the whole we care more about our own ideas and views than a common good. politicians just play off that so blame us for being that stupid, not them for doing what vultures have done since birth.

obama, to me, is trying to destroy the cores of my own beliefs, whether he believes it to be the “next America” or not.

I hate entitlements. obama seems to live off of them. 20 years ago when I started said job I may lose soon, I got it because when asked, I said I prefer to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish.

try to do that today you’ll get crucified, esp if you already have fish you’re not willing to share.

these are not new problems by any means, they’re just the ones we’re facing today that have been faced before and will again simply do to human nature. but if you believe obama is merely fighting for what he believes than you can do no less for bush, palin or people you do not like.

failure to do so is to continue to push a personal agenda and that’s what is killing this country today.

not the latest idiot on tv.

sorry for the rant. but to me our problems are much bigger than the surface level we waste 95% of our thought and energy on.

[iceberg]

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

You are the moss ignorant douche bag on this board. For God's sake, dude, while Bush was certainly the worst President since the Great Depression, not even the most ardent liberal I know believed he was trying to "deliberately destroy" America. He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war, doubling unemployment, catapulting America to record deficit levels, and destroying the middle class. If you actually think Obama is trying to do that - and I hate to tell you, but the numbers don't lie...and I've posted them time and time again...we are MUCH better off now than we were in 2009, when he was sworn in.

And one email from Palin does not change the fact that she is a hateful, stupid bitch with the common sense of a salad spoon and the cranial capacity of a slug...her toxic vitriol is what's destroying America.

Thank you for completely validating my post!

The vitriol used against Palin is far worse than anything she's dished out. I was a big fan of hers at first but quickly learned that she's neither the messiah that some on the right think she is, nor is she the dummy or devil that the nimrods on the left claim her to be.

someone to keep paying attention to. : )

[Memorex]

Electric cars may not be so green after all, says British study

ELECTRIC cars could produce higher emissions over their lifetimes than petrol equivalents because of the energy consumed in making their batteries, a study has found.

An electric car owner would have to drive at least 129,000km before producing a net saving in CO2. Many electric cars will not travel that far in their lifetime because they typically have a range of less than 145km on a single charge and are unsuitable for long trips. Even those driven 160,000km would save only about a tonne of CO2 over their lifetimes.

The British study, which is the first analysis of the full lifetime emissions of electric cars covering manufacturing, driving and disposal, undermines the case for tackling climate change by the rapid introduction of electric cars.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/he ... 6073103576





Poor 7, he just can't catch a break.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't try though. This issue is hype. People need to be more realistic. The more we build these things, the better we will get at it. You could not have the Porche without the Model T. So I say keep moving forward, but don't look at me wrong if I don't buy one yet and don't think it's going to be a magic wand. Life doesn't work that way unless you get really, really lucky.

[SF-Dano]

Electric cars may not be so green after all, says British study

ELECTRIC cars could produce higher emissions over their lifetimes than petrol equivalents because of the energy consumed in making their batteries, a study has found.

An electric car owner would have to drive at least 129,000km before producing a net saving in CO2. Many electric cars will not travel that far in their lifetime because they typically have a range of less than 145km on a single charge and are unsuitable for long trips. Even those driven 160,000km would save only about a tonne of CO2 over their lifetimes.

The British study, which is the first analysis of the full lifetime emissions of electric cars covering manufacturing, driving and disposal, undermines the case for tackling climate change by the rapid introduction of electric cars.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/he ... 6073103576





Poor 7, he just can't catch a break.

Also, what can be done with the batteries in these cars once they are scrapped?

[Seven Wishes2]

Keep smoking the good stuff, LieFinder!!!

Please note this article was published a scant few days ago.

Palin et all have ZERO chance to win in 2012. Romney is your ONLY hope, and between his flip-flopping and the rest of the base attacking him relentlessly, his position might be considered precarious at best.

Enjoy losing the House and perhaps even the Senate thanks to your anti-medicare and pro-privatizing social security voting mandates!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_campaign_poll

Obama leads all potential Republican challengers by double-digit margins, the poll showed. He is ahead of his closest Republican rival, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney, by 13 percentage points -- 51 percent to 38 percent.

"Obama's position has gotten a little stronger over the last couple of months as the public mood has evened out, and as an incumbent he has some big advantages over his rivals," Ipsos pollster Cliff Young said.

[slucero]

on another note..

7 the new NR album KICKS ASS.. it fucking slays Eclipse...

If Eclipse gets 100... this needs a 125... the songwriting is head and shoulders better than anything on Eclipse.. the playing is stellar and impassioned... a friggin great album...

[donnaplease]

You sit there and defend someone who's deliberately destroying this country and try to portray Palin as some kind of evil. I'm glad everyone sees what a tragic joke you are.

You are the moss ignorant douche bag on this board. For God's sake, dude, while Bush was certainly the worst President since the Great Depression, not even the most ardent liberal I know believed he was trying to "deliberately destroy" America. He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war, doubling unemployment, catapulting America to record deficit levels, and destroying the middle class. If you actually think Obama is trying to do that - and I hate to tell you, but the numbers don't lie...and I've posted them time and time again...we are MUCH better off now than we were in 2009, when he was sworn in.

And one email from Palin does not change the fact that she is a hateful, stupid bitch with the common sense of a salad spoon and the cranial capacity of a slug...her toxic vitriol is what's destroying America.

then you don't know many ardent liberals.

if you’re going to put bush below carter then our own conversations won’t last very long just because I can’t talk to people that put emotional value higher than common sense. you can’t tell me bush thought he was doing what was right then suddenly pick up every liberal talking point known to democrats and then rail him.

again.

but let’s hit bullet by bullet and see what flushes out. (keep in mind I’m no bush fan either, I think all politicians suck but I won’t put my views and beliefs ahead of common sense so I can feel better about myself).

He was doing what he thought was right, even though he wound up starting an illegal war,

1. illegal war. opinion but tell me, did he follow proper protocol to start the war? what about what obama is doing now? how long can he play “illegal war” before your same sense of right and wrong come into play? however you play this, just make sure standards are the same and not “twisted” to fit your situation and retwisted to hurt the other.

2. doubling unemployment. before I even attempt to talk rationally, which figure are you using? the ones that paint bush the worst, or just numbers w/o people involved? you can’t swing a dead cat in an aquarium without hitting some goldfish that skews numbers to make themselves feel better. in my quick look while it did go up I did not double and his average for all 8 years was just fine. towards the end so much shit was happening from fannie mae and housing that the entire economy took a huge shit and we’re still wiping off the corn we didn’t know they ate.

who’s fault is that? you can’t just look at #’s on the wall and put them on your favorite bad guy. for our economy to fuck up like it has, no single president can do that. sorry. our entire government fucked up and that’s what we need to look at.

3. destroying the middle class. ok. I’m sure this is rational conversation and can easily be explained by a few graphs and charts. I am middle class and far from destroyed. as for deficit levels, how much did bush spend in office and how much did obama in his 1st two years. if you’re going to say he had to because of bush just say “talking point #1” and spare me, please.

4. much better off today than when he was sworn in. really? I’m close to losing a job I’ve had for 19 years as we outsource about anything we can to india for a $. that’s not obama, bush or any single individual. that’s how life works and while I hate it, sometimes life just cycles itself and you get caught up in it. americans unfortunately think when something bad happens to them it’s a winning lottery ticket the government will cash in.

maybe if we stop and think about it where we are is our own cultures fault, not someone elses. anyway, I’m definitely middle class and call bullshit to being better off wondering if my job will go another year or not than I was when bush was around and I could buy a 2006 magnum that was only 18 months old tops and not worry about it. so maybe YOU are better off and that’s fine. but don’t pretend everyone is.

5. palin, since you bring her up and make her the latest poster child for all the countries issues. I do not like palin. I hate the way she talks, I hate the way she forces herself on television and I hate the fact that someone who wants to be president bitches and whines about having to climb some ice on her own damn show. my god, woman, show some balls!!! but she’s far from what is destroying this country.

far from it.

do I want her to be president? far from it. I would much rather we have ron paul come in and lose about 60%+ of the government and let me get back to having control of my own life, sink or swim. I don’t need the government picking me up every time I fall and I don’t need them making me promises for no other reason than to make me believe they give a fuck about me. but people who want to believe the government has some magic wand that will cure their every ill is what is destroying this country. no sense of self worth, no rewarding of accomplishments with reasons to keep on working, we work harder at NOT working these days and we keep milking some mythical “rich” to fund our own inabilities.

obama isn’t out to destroy this country but he is destroying what a lot of hard core people believe, or is trying to in much the same light bush was destroying things you put value on. we get so wrapped up in the needs of our own ID we lose sight of a much bigger picture.

we’re able to say things with a straight face like Guantanamo Bay is a modern day gulag. did you scoff at that, by chance? or did you see a connection? we’ve lost sight of the pain and growth that got us here and we’re heading straight into it again because on the whole we care more about our own ideas and views than a common good. politicians just play off that so blame us for being that stupid, not them for doing what vultures have done since birth.

obama, to me, is trying to destroy the cores of my own beliefs, whether he believes it to be the “next America” or not.

I hate entitlements. obama seems to live off of them. 20 years ago when I started said job I may lose soon, I got it because when asked, I said I prefer to teach a man to fish than to give him a fish.

try to do that today you’ll get crucified, esp if you already have fish you’re not willing to share.

these are not new problems by any means, they’re just the ones we’re facing today that have been faced before and will again simply do to human nature. but if you believe obama is merely fighting for what he believes than you can do no less for bush, palin or people you do not like.

failure to do so is to continue to push a personal agenda and that’s what is killing this country today.

not the latest idiot on tv.

sorry for the rant. but to me our problems are much bigger than the surface level we waste 95% of our thought and energy on.

WOW!!!! Great post, dude!!!

[Seven Wishes2]

on another note..

7 the new NR album KICKS ASS.. it fucking slays Eclipse...

If Eclipse gets 100... this needs a 125... the songwriting is head and shoulders better than anything on Eclipse.. the playing is stellar and impassioned... a friggin great album...

Dude, where did you get it this early? I'll pay top dollar for that shit. Japan?