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Postby conversationpc » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:38 am

[sarcasm]Don't you guys just love this Congress?[/sarcasm]

They post the revised stimulus bill last night around 11:00PM and are trying to push the vote through today, giving no one any time to read the bill. They're passing the largest spending bill ever, by far, and they will not even give enough time to have the bill read. :roll:
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:38 am

Eric wrote:TNC

You dismiss my WSJ stuff, and in return use NYTimes for reference? What the fuck? NYT is a joke...WSJ is reliable.


I didn't provide a NYTimes editorial.
I provided a 20 page article with interviews ranging from Henry Paulson to numerous other Bush officials.
Even Barney Frank said the WSJ's news reporting has been very fair.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:41 am

Eric wrote:Yo own nothing...if ANY of these were valid he would have been impeached dumb-ass. think about it.


What makes you say that?
Articles of impeachment were drawn up for Reagan and he got away scot free - and Pappy Bush would later pardon all the Iran-Contra criminals.
The truth of the matter is, the Democrats simply don't have the spine for it.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:42 am

Another interesting thing...Obama has been claiming that the Caterpillar company have said that they would start hiring people back if the stimulus package passes. Someone interviewed the head of that company and he said they would not only NOT be hiring people but would likely have to lay more people off.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:45 am

Rockindeano wrote:I believe that is correct. Funny thing is, the War was planned by Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Rummy during the Clinton Administration.


Absolutely.
Saddam regime change had been kicked around Washington for a long time, but Clinton had no intent to invade.
He preferred sanctions, which were also a failure.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:10 am

Fact Finder wrote:
New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae

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By STEPHEN LABATON
Published: September 11, 2003

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.

Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.
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Among the groups denouncing the proposal today were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing.

‘’These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,’’ said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ‘’The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.’’

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.




You do see that the date on this article is 2003, right?
Who was in the majority back then?
For the party of bootstrap self-reliance, you sure do like pointing fingers alot...

Putting that aside, throughout this thread I mentioned both Dems and Repubs alternately tried to reign in the housing sector. As did Bush.
There were non-starter efforts after this 2003 attempt as well.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:21 am

Barb wrote:Look what else got thrown into the "stimulous" bill. I really hope people are paying attention to what this government is planning on doing to each and every one of us.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... zfDxfbwhzs

One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions


The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.


Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.


The healthcare "expert" who wrote this has turned out to be a big pharma shill - even actively soliciting the industry for $$$.
Apparently, she reared her head around the time of Hillarycare in the 90's.
The National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, by the way, is a Republican.

Must Watch.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/1 ... 66707.html
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Feb 14, 2009 4:49 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Barb wrote:Look what else got thrown into the "stimulous" bill. I really hope people are paying attention to what this government is planning on doing to each and every one of us.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... zfDxfbwhzs

One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions


The stimulus bill does that, and calls it the Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research (190-192). The goal, Daschle’s book explained, is to slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they are driving up costs. He praises Europeans for being more willing to accept “hopeless diagnoses” and “forgo experimental treatments,” and he chastises Americans for expecting too much from the health-care system.


Daschle says health-care reform “will not be pain free.” Seniors should be more accepting of the conditions that come with age instead of treating them. That means the elderly will bear the brunt.


The healthcare "expert" who wrote this has turned out to be a big pharma shill - even actively soliciting the industry for $$$.
Apparently, she reared her head around the time of Hillarycare in the 90's.
The National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, by the way, is a Republican.

Must Watch.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/1 ... 66707.html


Huffington Post...Hey, isn't Arianna Huffington one of those turncoats like Dick Morris? She used to be very conservative and all of a sudden, she turned into a liberal. What gives?
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Postby Lula » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:19 am

conversationpc wrote:Huffington Post...Hey, isn't Arianna Huffington one of those turncoats like Dick Morris? She used to be very conservative and all of a sudden, she turned into a liberal. What gives?


she was married to michael huffington, but he was actually gay. he co chaird the log cabin republicans and is a big financial contributor to the group. she was an activist for conservatives, but clearly has changed. don't know what sparked the change, perhaps disillusionment.
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Postby Uno_up » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:44 pm

just spent an hour writing a post and hit ok and its just gone. lost. i am crushed. fuck me.
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Postby Uno_up » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:45 pm

i'm devastated. i poured my heart out and it is just in the fart filled of a black hole. i am truly speechless. i spent over an hour responding to posts,...and my balls are dry. fuck it. the U.S. is doomed. we had our little time. teach your kids chinese. i can't write all that shit again. it's porn time.
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Postby Uno_up » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:52 pm

but i will say, from what i remember of that press conference, reporter helen thomas is really really old now. she reminds of that old lady that died in national lampoon's vacation. the one they strapped to the roof of the wooden paneled station wagon (like my dad once had) after she croaked. i'm sure she must have sucked my great grandfather's membrane at a silent movie in 1918. he claimed it was a popcorn accident. the story has been passed down since. i would imagine these days, she shits pure dust.
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Postby Uno_up » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:54 pm

fuck i am bummed. my post entitled "the situation in america today" was 3000 words +. and it's just gone. i have no idea what happened
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Postby Uno_up » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:55 pm

i know no-one else cares, but fuck, i put a lot of thought into that.
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Postby Uno_up » Sat Feb 14, 2009 12:56 pm

ok. i know when i'm not wanted. suck my balls.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:21 pm

Uno_up wrote:but i will say, from what i remember of that press conference, reporter helen thomas is really really old now. she reminds of that old lady that died in national lampoon's vacation. the one they strapped to the roof of the wooden paneled station wagon (like my dad once had) after she croaked. i'm sure she must have sucked my great grandfather's membrane at a silent movie in 1918. he claimed it was a popcorn accident. the story has been passed down since. i would imagine these days, she shits pure dust.


JFC, dude, stop! You're killing me! LMFAO!!!
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:17 pm

I am LMAO at U_U....he's on a roll tonight!!! :wink:
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Feb 14, 2009 2:56 pm

Let's talk about something else that the Obama administration is completely wrong on...The card-check legislation, i.e., the law that would allow shops or other places of employment to not have a secret ballot on whether or not the employees want to unionize. Other than the power-hungry union leaders and the Dummocrats in Congress who feed off the union teats, I don't see how this legislation has come to be anywhere near a possibility.
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Postby Lula » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:07 am

from what i understand, the card check is another way to form a union if employees choose to do so with more than 50% wanting to organize. the secret ballot or petition is still part of organizing. legislation is to have employers recognize employees choice to unionize using authorization cards. don't see how this is bad, unless someone doesn't like unions.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:19 am

Lula wrote:from what i understand, the card check is another way to form a union if employees choose to do so with more than 50% wanting to organize. the secret ballot or petition is still part of organizing. legislation is to have employers recognize employees choice to unionize using authorization cards. don't see how this is bad, unless someone doesn't like unions.


Lula...you are a smart woman...how could you not see the possibility of intimidation here???

They ask to see the card...the person says no...and then the bad things start to happen...tires slashed...it gets broadcast to the person's co-workers that the person didn't sign up and the pressure mounts on the idividual to sign, even if they don't want to be in a union.

Believe it or not lots of people do not want to be in a union, and they should be able to make that choice in private without everyone knowing how they chose. It's that simple.

The private ballot is one of the fundemental underpinnings of our country, and to take it away as a way to pay back the union supporters is just plain wrong.
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Postby Lula » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:32 am

the authorization form/card is not to replace the petition/secret ballot. if there are more than 50% wanting to organize then the cards can be used. i belong to a union. not impressed with utla, but as the district tries to decrease our benefits, increase class size, and not pass on the states cola i'm glad to have the union as my voice. unions are not for everyone, but they still serve a purpose for some. the card legislation is another way to facilitate the employee free choice act. some will support this and others won't. we simply disagree. you think i'm wrong and i don't :lol:
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Postby Lula » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:45 am

since paulson nationalized our banks i'd say they pretty much gotta get in line with the feds. damn george bush and his socialist agenda :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:09 am

Lula wrote:damn george bush and his socialist agenda :lol:


I don't know why you think that's so funny. No one here disagrees with that.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:27 am

conversationpc wrote:Huffington Post...Hey, isn't Arianna Huffington one of those turncoats like Dick Morris? She used to be very conservative and all of a sudden, she turned into a liberal. What gives?


Not sure who Arianna betrayed per se....unless you think political ideologies have feelings, that is.
Morris, on the other hand, continues to twist the knife deeper into the backs of the first couple that made him - years after his relation with the administration ended.
He was also caught frequenting hos and having a foot fetish.
If that's where you choose to get your facts, I pity your dumb sorry ass.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:18 am

Fact Finder wrote:Funny you mention that. Obama sent her to his staff, which gave her the business card of a local agency. :lol:

The REPUBLICAN STATE REPRESENATIVE from Ft.Meyers area, State Representative Nick Thompson and his wife Chene are who gave her a house to live in rent free. :wink:


Not sure why you're proud of that, FF.
It sounds like the very type of handout you would normally frown down upon.
Where are your core values?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:20 am

Fact Finder wrote:P.T. Barnum said???


If it's "there's a sucker born every minute" you're thinking of, P.T. Barnum never said that.
As with mostly everything you spew, this is pure revisionist fantasy
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Postby Lula » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:21 am

conversationpc wrote:
Lula wrote:damn george bush and his socialist agenda :lol:


I don't know why you think that's so funny. No one here disagrees with that.


i don't think the current state of our banking system is so funny, not in the least. i do think some of the articles ff posts are quite entertaining though.
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Postby Lula » Sun Feb 15, 2009 5:49 am

not killing the messenger, ff. just stating that some of the articles you post are entertaining to me.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:10 am

Fact Finder wrote:Oh you are correct, I was just pointing out that it was a Rep who helped and and Dem who passed the buck.

This State Represenative and his wife are enabling Henrietta and her son with this stunt IMO.


The Dem didn't pass the buck.
He put the woman in touch with the appropriate authorities - as it should be.
Sounds like you are pilloring Obama for not living up to the very messianic expectations you once railed against.
Not up to Obama to give her food and lodging.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Feb 18, 2009 12:35 am

Norman M. Thomas, former Presidential candidate, Socialist Party of America wrote:The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “Liberalism”, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.

He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”


One thing he didn't count on was the assistance of George W. Bush and many Republicans in helping achieve that. :roll:
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