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Former Styx frontman Dennis DeYoung laments Rock Hall of Fam

Postby tater1977 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:14 am

Former Styx frontman Dennis DeYoung laments Rock Hall of Fame picks

Steve Spears

Wednesday, December 17, 2014

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/80s/forme ... ks/2210567


Dennis DeYoung is one of the good guys in rock 'n' roll. Maybe one of the last ones too, since these days the only bands getting attention don't play instruments and rely on autotune. In any case, the former Styx frontman (who still puts on a HELL of a show now with a new band) took to his Facebook page today to "comment" on -- not necessarily criticize -- the latest inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

"Interesting. After (fans) informed me of the latest round of inductions into the R and R Hall of Fame I looked up Joan Jett only to find that she did not write her biggest hit I Love Rock and Roll but a band named the Arrows did. Wow! I did not know this. Their version nearly identical to hers is on YouTube."

He continues: "Fans of bands like Styx, Journey, Boston, Foreigner and others, are stuck with the fact that the people who decide who is worthy of induction are for the most part the same ones who never liked these bands. Anything said by any of us who were in those groups in defense will sound like sour grapes no matter how valid the statistics, how persuasive the arguments. Music is subjective. As the Romans said 'de gustibus non disputandum est,' which kinda means 'to each his own said the lady as she kissed the cow's a--.' This is the thing I remember most from four years of high school Latin..."

Read his full post to hear a fun story about Styx's press-unfriendly manager back in ye olden days.

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Re: Former Styx frontman Dennis DeYoung laments Rock Hall of

Postby tater1977 » Thu Dec 18, 2014 9:27 am

Dennis posted this 1982 link on his FB ...


Faceless bands


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http://www.racerrecords.com/styx/faceless.html


These groups may dominate the charts but there's not a true superstar among them.

"FOUR MAJOR ROCK & ROLL bands shocked the music industry last week when, without warning, they started acting like baseball teams. Early in the week, REO Speedwagon traded bassist Bruce Hall to Foreigner in exchange for Rick Wills and a studio percussionist to be named later; the next day, Styx sent drummer John Panozzo to Journey for Steve Smith and a first-round garage-band draft choice." — Billboard, April 9th, 1982

By Steve Pond

LOS ANGELES

Okay, so this is all hypothetical. Foreigner and REO didn't swap bass players, and Styx is not about to deal its drummer to Journey. But assume, for a minute, that such a scenario was possible. What effect would such a wholesale reorganization have on the fans who've made these four bands so popular?

None. None at all.

Those bands—along with their platinum colleague Rush and dozens of contenders such as Loverboy, Triumph and Red Rider — would be singularly unaffected by baseball-style trades, simply because they're part of a movement that sells more records than any of the newer waves: faceless bands.

Between them, the five top groups in this category — REO, Journey, Foreigner, Styx and Rush — captured three of the four top slots in ROLLING STONE's year-end album charts. Foreigner and Journey, the two bands that didn't place as high in the twelve-month roundup, both recently spent some time at Number One. But while their fans undoubtedly know the names and faces of front men like REO's Kevin Cronin, Rush's Geddy Lee and Journey's Steve Perry, there's not a true rock super star in the bunch.

"Do you think a kid would act the same way if he ran into Mick Jagger and Lou Gramm on his street on two different days?" asked one industry veteran. "Forget it. And yet Foreigner's new album is outselling the Stones."

The groups, for the most part, seem aware of this. "To us, the records speak for the band," said Foreigner's Rick Wills. "Mainly we're just not image conscious." Added drummer Dennis Elliott: "Face it—we're just ugly."

But most of the group members blame their facelessness not on something as simple as ugliness but on a lack of old-style glamour. "We're not glamorous enough for kids to be star-struck," said Styx bassist Chuck Panozzo, and guitarist James Young agreed. "We're not a Rod Stewart-type group," he said, "and we're not in a position like Talking Heads, where whoever in New York is in charge of setting trends in the rock press likes us. We're all down to earth, and nobody in the group is terribly into drugs or sex or violence or crazy acts with dogs and forks. We're not trying to inject glamour into it, and that's nice, because we have a certain degree of privacy."

Still,the hard-core audience for these groups knows who the band members are; in return, the acts have a pretty good idea just who makes up that crowd. "Young male musicians," said Geddy Lee of Rush's bread-and-butter audience. Styx manager Derek Sutton said that his band's fans, while more evenly divided among males and. females, is similarly young: "Our concert audience has a median age of sixteen;' he said. "They're between twelve and twenty."


ough the typical concertgoer (and heavy record-buyer) may be a sixteen-year-old male with long hair; there's another broader and less fanatical crowd that also listens. "We have about 2 million fans who buy all our records but don't come to the concerts," said Sutton. "We're not sure exactly who they are, but we know that they're older than the teens at our concerts." But however big the crowd can get, many bands canmamram their facelessness through their own marketing techniques. The process can be as simple and foolproof as not putting the musicians' photos on album covers. It's a ploy that has long been used by camera-shy bands— i.e., Pink Floyd, one of the original faceless bands, though its powerful. mystique takes the place of identifiable mugs; Chicago, with rock's most identifiable logo (guitarist Donnie Dacus, who seemed a lot more willing to put his face in the spotlight than the other members, didn't last long in this group); and lately, Christopher Cross, who put a flamingo on the cover of his spectacularly successful debut album and admitted openly that he doesn't look at all like a rocker is supposed to look..

Not one of the latest albums by Styx, REO, Journey, Rush and Foreigner contains a band photograph on the front cover, and only REO's Hi Infidelity pictures the group on the inner sleeve. "We wanted album graphics that encouraged point-of-purchase sales, that create an image and identify the product as Journey without having to use the band's name," said Herbie Herbert, Journey's manager. And how has Journey achieved that for the past several years? Not by spotlighting the band's faces, but by using a series of album covers depicting, apparently, a scarab opening up in outer space. Stick a picture of bassist Ross Valory on a Journey album and chances are that many fans would draw a blank; put on an illustration of that scarab busting out of a big, glowing ball and you've got an instant Journey record.

Styx was even more drastic in its radio commercials for the last tour, a venture planned around the concept of the Paradise Theater album. The initial advertisements talked about the state of American rock — "How much fog and how many flash pots must it hide behind?"— and introduced the Paradise Theater theme. Styx wasn't even mentioned.

Yet these bands get away with it, racking up strings of triple-platinum albums in the time it takes personalities like Bruce Springsteen, Tom Petty or even the Rolling Stones to squeeze out a couple of hit singles and a platinum album. Has facelessness, in some bizarre way, become attractive to record buyers?

If it is attractive to fans, it's because it's also attractive to radio. "Radio stations all have their little target audiences, and they zero in on them," said one record company executive. "Anything that polarizes your audience, like New Wave, is too much of a risk to put on the air. To radio, faces don't matter. Nobody cares about personality — unless that personality can be offensive in any way to part of your audience, and then it'll work against you. It's funny—ten years ago, controversy was real good. Now it's real, real bad unless it's traditional, Ted Nugent-style controversy that doesn't threaten anybody. But New Wave bands that are telling the kids about different ways of living — that's too dangerous. Not only does radio's institutionalized format guard against anything different, but it guards against anything with much personality.

"Album-oriented-rock [AOR] stations will only play hard rock," the executive continued, "and they'll welcome all the faceless hard-rock bands. Those bands have an instant base of acceptance on AOR. At the same time, Top Forty is getting softer and softer: the Stones' 'Waiting on- a Friend' will get on more stations than 'Start Me Up' just because it isn't as hard. The faceless bands have figured this out, and so you'll see. Journey coming out with 'Who's Crying Now,' Foreigner doing 'Waiting for a Girl Like You' and Styx with 'The Best of Times.' Not only have many of these bands figured out the radio formula—and most all of them are frankly and openly commercial, so they have no qualms about following the formula to receive airplay — but by having little personality, they won't offend either Top Forty or AOR's narrow target audience."

"Whether or not a band is faceless has nothing to do with our decision to play its music," said Jack Snyder, music director of KMET-FM, Los Angeles' leading AOR station. "Personally, I'd rather listen to a band with a strong personality than one of the faceless groups, say a Foreigner or a Journey. But we make decisions based on two things: whether it's good music, and whether the kids are into it. If the kids are into some thing that's faceless, it makes no difference to us.

Cliff Burnstein of the Leber Krebs management firm feels that image makes no difference to record buyers, that records are purchased solely because of the music. "Record buyers depend totally on the music, and I think it's only a coincidence that most of the biggest bands today are faceless," he said. "The only factor I can think of to explain their facelessness is the media, which have always been responsible for building artists' images. If the pop music of this time is the likes of REO Speed wagon, Styx and Journey, you're dealing with music that the press has always hated. They never wanted to write about those artists, to build up any images or show any faces, and now that those artists are big, the bands don't feel inclined to participate with the press. If the press had been behind Journey from the start, maybe we'd see a lot of articles about how Steve Perry sounds like Sam Cooke, but the press was not interested in writing about Journey's image. So now, Journey's not interested."

Styx' Derek Sutton bears out this last assessment. "Rush has never received critical acclaim. REO Speedwagon has never received critical acclaim. Styx has never received critical acclaim. These are the three biggest touring bands in the country, the journeymen performers the kids want to see. But the press has played no part in their success — they have always missed the point, and they have tried everything they can do to say these bands are rubbish. I now prefer just to ignore the press."

Bob Regehr, vice-president of artist development and publicity at Warner Bros., agrees that the press is generally uninterested in today's biggest bands, but he also feels the bands themselves may lack the potential to develop superstar front men. "Most of the music of today is pretty much hand-me-down music;' he said. "Bands like Foreigner put out well-made, well-crafted records — they can't be faulted on those grounds. But there's nothing new musically. It's the same kind of music that has been passed down for more than ten years. Maybe in cloning it over those years, they've finally cloned out the star structure."
Perry's good natured bonhomie & the world’s most charmin smile,knocked fans off their feet. Sportin a black tux,gigs came alive as he swished around the stage thrillin audiences w/ charisma that instantly burnt the oxygen right out of the venue.TR.com
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