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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby Monker » Wed May 04, 2016 10:20 am

verslibre wrote:It sucked to the tune of 870 million* big ones? SURE. Why isn't it another John Carter or The Lone Ranger? :lol:

*Since everyone's so keen nowadays on using ticket sales to rank how good a film is...


Because it is BvS and everyone, including me, said it would sell tickets for that reason alone. It was the STUDIO that said they would be disappointed if it didn't cross a billion....and it should have. If a crappy Transformers movie can do that, BvS should have done it EASILY. People saw it, thought it sucked, and didn't go back or tell anybody else to see it...or told others NOT to.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby Monker » Wed May 04, 2016 10:22 am

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verslibre wrote:Did I mention those two guys' names? Nope. But if you do a general search with keywords like "Snyder replaced for JL" (etc.), you'll see dozens of click-bait headlines.


But what does that prove? Zergnet-type websites are a dime-a-dozen? That doesn't mean every rumor about DC's cinematic slate is false.


Pretty much. They're cannibalizing each for any shred of "news" they can spin and perpetuating the whim that Snyder just MIGHT (some pray) be replaced by another director at any given moment.


If WB had any sense, he would be fired.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 04, 2016 10:24 am

verslibre wrote:
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verslibre wrote:It sucked to the tune of 870 million* big ones? SURE. Why isn't it another John Carter or The Lone Ranger? :lol:

*Since everyone's so keen nowadays on using ticket sales to rank how good a film is...


Lone Ranger was waaaay better than BvsS. Just saying.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ranger suffers from a mugging Depp and a bloated running time. Otherwise, it was a fun romp. BvS is borderline incompetent. In some ways, BvS reminds me of John Carter. Just misguided from conception to execution.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 04, 2016 10:25 am

Monker wrote: If a crappy Transformers movie can do that, BvS should have done it EASILY.


Hard to argue with that. Withering statement, bro. Damn.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby verslibre » Wed May 04, 2016 10:26 am

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verslibre wrote:It sucked to the tune of 870 million* big ones? SURE. Why isn't it another John Carter or The Lone Ranger? :lol:

*Since everyone's so keen nowadays on using ticket sales to rank how good a film is...


Because it is BvS and everyone, including me, said it would sell tickets for that reason alone. It was the STUDIO that said they would be disappointed if it didn't cross a billion....and it should have. If a crappy Transformers movie can do that, BvS should have done it EASILY. People saw it, thought it sucked, and didn't go back or tell anybody else to see it...or told others NOT to.


Those other two movies were considered tentpole films, too, especially John Carter. They hoped to launch a fresh franchise right there. Didn't happen.

Regardless of how you feel, BvS obviously doesn't appeal to the LCD like a Transformers or an Ant-Man. Interpret that however which way, but the fact is the DCEU will grow and will eventually match the MCU, and there is no reason the two cannot exist in our reality. Not sure why you're beating your fists over this.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby verslibre » Wed May 04, 2016 10:27 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Monker wrote: If a crappy Transformers movie can do that, BvS should have done it EASILY.


Hard to argue with that. Withering statement, bro. Damn.


Glad you got a taste of his "wisdom," there...come on! :lol:
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby verslibre » Wed May 04, 2016 10:33 am

Monker wrote:If WB had any sense, he would be fired.


If you had any sense, you'd hone in the fact that Goyer is gone and Terrio is the principal scriptwriter. The "problems" you bitch about owe primarily to Goyer.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed May 04, 2016 10:37 am

verslibre wrote:Those other two movies were considered tentpole films, too, especially John Carter. They hoped to launch a fresh franchise right there. Didn't happen.


No comparison tho. Carter was based on pulp novels from the early 20th century. Pulp characters don't have a good track record of launching franchises. Conan the Barbarian flopped. Solomon Kane went straight to DVD. Kull the Conqueror flopped. Doc Savage is a cult classic failure. The Shadow flopped. Anybody who knows movie history, knew there was very little expectation for Carter to be a hit. Disney also had no idea how to market it either. The dropped "Of Mars" from the title and left it with the generic sounding "John Carter." A new version of Edgar Burrough's Tarzan is also coming out soon. Odds are that will also underwhelm.

The Lone Ranger failure was also no surprise. Westerns are almost always a risky gamble (see Wild Wild West, Cowboys & Aliens, Jonah Hex etc etc).

verslibre wrote:Regardless of how you feel, BvS obviously doesn't appeal to the LCD like a Transformers or an Ant-Man.

Pretty elitist statement.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby verslibre » Fri May 06, 2016 5:51 am

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verslibre wrote:Those other two movies were considered tentpole films, too, especially John Carter. They hoped to launch a fresh franchise right there. Didn't happen.


No comparison tho. Carter was based on pulp novels from the early 20th century. Pulp characters don't have a good track record of launching franchises. =


Except Indiana Jones is pulp all the way, but it had Spielberg and Lucas behind it, so it's the exception. John Carter of Mars is pulp SF, but still SF, and it was very poorly marketed (we agree on that). I thought the trailer looked alright, but it didn't rev people up. The martians' CGI was dodgy, too. But yeah, people didn't go for it.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Conan the Barbarian flopped.


Remake. Very low budget. Poorly promoted, too. But I don't expect people to "get" REH, anyway.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Solomon Kane went straight to DVD.


Good movie, too.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Kull the Conqueror flopped. Doc Savage is a cult classic failure. The Shadow flopped. Anybody who knows movie history, knew there was very little expectation for Carter to be a hit. Disney also had no idea how to market it either. The dropped "Of Mars" from the title and left it with the generic sounding "John Carter."


That was the death knell, but since they weren't going to call it A Princess of Mars (the first book), they should have at least titled it Barsoom. Shit, even John Carter Meets Cheech & Chong on Mars would've put more asses in seats. :lol:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:A new version of Edgar Burrough's Tarzan is also coming out soon. Odds are that will also underwhelm.


Yeah, it probably won't resonate.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:The Lone Ranger failure was also no surprise. Westerns are almost always a risky gamble (see Wild Wild West, Cowboys & Aliens, Jonah Hex etc etc).


Yeah, but it had Johnny Depp. DEPP. As Tonto. :lol:

The western will never reclaim the glory of its decades-long heyday. The western is now a niche genre, but I'll take good ones like No Country For Old Men (yes, it's technically a western) and the remake of 3:10 to Yuma whenever I can get 'em, pardner.

Cowboys & Aliens flunked out. All the non-SF parts were good, and everything SF about it sucked. Go figure!

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verslibre wrote:Regardless of how you feel, BvS obviously doesn't appeal to the LCD like a Transformers or an Ant-Man.

Pretty elitist statement.


I can't take that seriously coming from you guys. :lol:
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri May 06, 2016 11:21 am

verslibre wrote:Except Indiana Jones is pulp all the way, but it had Spielberg and Lucas behind it, so it's the exception.

Lucas and Spielberg said one of their biggest inspirations was James Bond, which is also pulp. Jones was inspired by pulp. The movies I mentioned (The Shadow, Doc Savage, etc) already existed as pulp properties. The Rocketeer is another one that was inspired by pulp.

verslibre wrote:Remake. Very low budget. Poorly promoted, too. But I don't expect people to "get" REH, anyway.

It was not low budget. It was between 90-100 million. I thought it was pretty good. Certainly a step up from Destroyer

verslibre wrote:Good movie, too.


Soloman could have been better. Did not really need to see Kane's origin. The Howard stories are classic.

verslibre wrote:That was the death knell, but since they weren't going to call it A Princess of Mars (the first book), they should have at least titled it Barsoom. Shit, even John Carter Meets Cheech & Chong on Mars would've put more asses in seats. :lol:


For an obscure character like Carter, you can't really cast an unknown. Taylor Kitsch was so bland.

verslibre wrote:Yeah, but it had Johnny Depp. DEPP. As Tonto. :lol:


His shtick has grown stale. I've always thought he has has been overrated. Willy Wonka, Mortdecai, Dark Shadows....all career-ending level horrible performances. Nearly as bad as Eisenberg in BvsS.

verslibre wrote:Cowboys & Aliens flunked out. All the non-SF parts were good, and everything SF about it sucked. Go figure!

I'm sure you know, Downey Jr. was originally cast. And instead his role went to Daniel Craig. Craig was totally miscast. Downey at least could have livened things up and done his usual rat-a-tat-tat delivery. Craig was a mirthless bore. Besides 007, all of Craig's movies flop. If he were smart, he would stay with Bond longer than Roger Moore.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby verslibre » Fri May 06, 2016 11:46 am

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verslibre wrote:Except Indiana Jones is pulp all the way, but it had Spielberg and Lucas behind it, so it's the exception.

Lucas and Spielberg said one of their biggest inspirations was James Bond, which is also pulp. Jones was inspired by pulp. The movies I mentioned (The Shadow, Doc Savage, etc) already existed as pulp properties. The Rocketeer is another one that was inspired by pulp.


The Rocketeer came from Dave Stevens' (RIP) comic series. I knew it wouldn't be a hit.

Yeah, the others were pulps, but Indy was the overt knockoff with big names behind it. That's a major advantage. I think it's funny you brought up Bond, because I was going to mention that. Where's the remake of Our Man Flint? Just kidding.

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verslibre wrote:Remake. Very low budget. Poorly promoted, too. But I don't expect people to "get" REH, anyway.

It was not low budget. It was between 90-100 million. I thought it was pretty good. Certainly a step up from Destroyer


Pee-yoo! Destroyer is junk. CTB was made for 90 million, which is low by today's standards, just not Asylum-low (though I can't really tell where all the money went, apart from locations and catering). It only grossed 48M.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Soloman could have been better. Did not really need to see Kane's origin. The Howard stories are classic.


What was wrong with the showing his origin? Ditto.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:For an obscure character like Carter, you can't really cast an unknown. Taylor Kitsch was so bland.


He was no Marc Singer (I'm not joking), but he wasn't bad. At least he played it straight, not like some goofball.

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verslibre wrote:Yeah, but it had Johnny Depp. DEPP. As Tonto. :lol:


His shtick has grown stale. I've always thought he has has been overrated. Willy Wonka, Mortdecai, Dark Shadows....all career-ending level horrible performances. Nearly as bad as Eisenberg in BvsS.


Come on, those things were jokes. And you make Jesse out like he was the second coming of TLJ in Batman Forever.

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verslibre wrote:Cowboys & Aliens flunked out. All the non-SF parts were good, and everything SF about it sucked. Go figure!


I'm sure you know, Downey Jr. was originally cast. And instead his role went to Daniel Craig. Craig was totally miscast. Downey at least could have livened things up and done his usual rat-a-tat-tat delivery. Craig was a mirthless bore. Besides 007, all of Craig's movies flop. If he were smart, he would stay with Bond longer than Roger Moore.


RDJ does not instantly improve a film. Hmm...RDJ. Favreau. Those two again. The story just wasn't that great.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri May 06, 2016 9:58 pm

verslibre wrote:Where's the remake of Our Man Flint? Just kidding.

Man from Uncle probably killed any more 60s spy reboots. But then again, Kingsmen was a huge hit.

verslibre wrote:Pee-yoo! Destroyer is junk. CTB was made for 90 million, which is low by today's standards, just not Asylum-low (though I can't really tell where all the money went, apart from locations and catering). It only grossed 48M.


90 million for a movie franchise that had been sitting dormant for decades is actually pretty big. I thought the effects and sets were good. Also thought Momoa was excellent.

verslibre wrote:What was wrong with the showing his origin? Ditto.


Because it's lazy story telling. Dr. No didn't show us how Bond came to be. He already just "was". Same with Raiders of Lost Ark. I hate all of that crap - Star Wars prequels, Hanibal Rising, Casino Royale, Oz the Great and Powerful....etc. Robert Howard has soo many great Kane stories that could have served as an entry point. I also thought it was lazy how (SPOILER ALERT IN 3..2..1..) the villain turned out to be his brother. Save the origin stuff for a 5-minute flashback while Kane is tripping balls with one of his African shaman buddies. :lol:

verslibre wrote: And you make Jesse out like he was the second coming of TLJ in Batman Forever.


I would say both actors made fools of themselves. I think Eisenberg has more screen time than Tommy did in Batman Forever.

verslibre wrote:RDJ does not instantly improve a film. Hmm...RDJ. Favreau. Those two again. The story just wasn't that great.


Do you deny that Craig's lemon-sucking disposition did not carry the movie? Other franchises Craig has touched and destroyed are The Golden Compass franchise and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. He's a character actor getting leading man roles and, aside from Bond, he's pretty much box office poison.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby verslibre » Sat May 07, 2016 1:14 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
verslibre wrote:Where's the remake of Our Man Flint? Just kidding.

Man from Uncle probably killed any more 60s spy reboots. But then again, Kingsmen was a huge hit.


Kingsman was (you guessed it) a comic by Mark Millar (who wrote Kick-Ass) and Dave Gibbons (who drew Watchmen). It's also directed by Matt Vaughn (Kick-Ass, X-Men: First Class). Vaughn bailed on Days of Future Past to direct Kingsman. (Apparently he and Singer traded places, even.) Mark Strong said Kingsman would be to Bond what Kick-Ass was to CBMs.

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verslibre wrote:Pee-yoo! Destroyer is junk. CTB was made for 90 million, which is low by today's standards, just not Asylum-low (though I can't really tell where all the money went, apart from locations and catering). It only grossed 48M.


90 million for a movie franchise that had been sitting dormant for decades is actually pretty big. I thought the effects and sets were good. Also thought Momoa was excellent.


I'm shocked you liked it that much. I thought Momoa was far and away a better reflection of REH's Conan than Ahnuld (though I also love Milius' film). Yeah, 90M is a good chunk for a franchise revival, but I still couldn't see where it all went. I didn't care, I just wanted another Momoa-Conan film.

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verslibre wrote:What was wrong with the showing his origin? Ditto.


Because it's lazy story telling. Dr. No didn't show us how Bond came to be. He already just "was". Same with Raiders of Lost Ark.


Well, both incarnations of CTB show Conan came to be. I didn't think it took away from Solomon Kane at all.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I hate all of that crap - Star Wars prequels, Hanibal Rising, Casino Royale, Oz the Great and Powerful...


You didn't like Casino Royale? That's still Craig's best Bond movie. Directed by that guy you like, Martin Campbell. (Hard to believe it's the same guy who directed GL).

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verslibre wrote:RDJ does not instantly improve a film. Hmm...RDJ. Favreau. Those two again. The story just wasn't that great.


Do you deny that Craig's lemon-sucking disposition did not carry the movie? Other franchises Craig has touched and destroyed are The Golden Compass franchise and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. He's a character actor getting leading man roles and, aside from Bond, he's pretty much box office poison.


Wasn't interested in TGC and TGwtDT. I just didn't think C&A was all that great, anyway. Downey's antics wouldn't have improved it.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

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Fisher looks EXACTLY like Cyborg as George Pérez drew him. What a trip.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat May 07, 2016 5:18 am

Vers - Purvis & Wade who wrote the first drafts of Casino Royale said they did so not knowing if Brosnan was done and so they wrote it in a very generic mode. I think parts of CR work exceptionally well. Other parts - like Bond being given his first tuxedo - are clumsily done and cheap. Producer Michael Wilson wanted to do the reboot back in the eighties. When all is said and done, the franchise is now in exactly the same state it was under Pierce. Entertaining but running out of gas. Prequels and reboots are usually a sign of desperation by a franchise and a short-term fix that solves nothing.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby Abitaman » Sat May 07, 2016 5:51 am

Just read at batman-news.com that Ben Affleck has been made new exc. Producer on JLp1. Since Zach and Warner Brothers are at odds they wanted him to step in and settle things down, plus help Zach out and keep him on track.
I STILL think he did a very good job on MOS and BVS.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby verslibre » Sat May 07, 2016 6:01 am

Spectre was beautifully photographed but that's one hollow film. The intro sequence is badass, though. The set with Bellucci followed by the meeting hall at Blofeld's was cool. After that is a long dumb stretch of color-by-numbers action. Dumb fun.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

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Abitaman wrote:Just read at batman-news.com that Ben Affleck has been made new exc. Producer on JLp1. Since Zach and Warner Brothers are at odds they wanted him to step in and settle things down, plus help Zach out and keep him on track.
I STILL think he did a very good job on MOS and BVS.


Interesting. I think that's a good move. Ben will be the perfect sounding board.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

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Breaking: Ben Affleck elevates 'Justice League' presence; named Executive Producer
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat May 07, 2016 10:01 am

verslibre wrote:Spectre was beautifully photographed but that's one hollow film. The intro sequence is badass, though. The set with Bellucci followed by the meeting hall at Blofeld's was cool. After that is a long dumb stretch of color-by-numbers action. Dumb fun.


I thought they found a good balance in Spectre. Skyfall was too much melodrama. Spectre, despite the lame Blofeld sibling connection, is pretty much a straight forward spy romp. Like Nolan's Dark Knight films, Spectre also manages to raise questions about the surveillance state without becoming too preachy. Out of the Craig era, Spectre might be my fav so far. Casino Royale is a mixed bag, has moments of real greatness. I am one of the few who enjoyed Quantum of Solace. Skyfall has a great first hour and then becomes unwatchable for me.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

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YoungJRNYfan wrote:Breaking: Ben Affleck elevates 'Justice League' presence; named Executive Producer
http://deadline.com/2016/05/ben-affleck ... 201750654/


I would be more excited about this if Ben had an established record with these types of films. Yes, Argo and The Town were acclaimed. But I'm still not sure he's the right fit for Batman. He could be as bad as Snyder. His buddy, Terrio, had input on the BvS script and that was not so hot. But let's wait and see...
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby YoungJRNYfan » Sun May 08, 2016 12:47 am

Goyer was the problem with Man of Steel and he was the problem with BvS. The script was Goyer driven and Terrio was brought in late for rewrites. With Terrio officially taking over full screenplay credentials and consulting with Affleck (who is a solid storyteller) things can get right back on track. The DCEU has the right people in place. They just got to apply it and find balance. There's room to get things right. I'll ride the wave to paradise or go down swinging with the DCEU. Nabbing Affleck was always top priority for WB. This is good news in an otherwise negative outlook.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

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YoungJRNYfan wrote:Goyer was the problem with Man of Steel and he was the problem with BvS. The script was Goyer driven and Terrio was brought in late for rewrites. With Terrio officially taking over full screenplay credentials and consulting with Affleck (who is a solid storyteller) things can get right back on track. The DCEU has the right people in place. They just got to apply it and find balance. There's room to get things right. I'll ride the wave to paradise or go down swinging with the DCEU. Nabbing Affleck was always top priority for WB. This is good news in an otherwise negative outlook.


Copy this. Goyer's "one-man reign of terror" has ended. That said, I think MoS is one tight film that holds up to watching over and over.

Can't wait to see the extended cut of BvS. But Terrio as main writer for JL1....watch out!
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun May 08, 2016 11:29 am

YoungJRNYfan wrote:Goyer was the problem with Man of Steel and he was the problem with BvS. The script was Goyer driven and Terrio was brought in late for rewrites. With Terrio officially taking over full screenplay credentials and consulting with Affleck (who is a solid storyteller) things can get right back on track. The DCEU has the right people in place. They just got to apply it and find balance. There's room to get things right. I'll ride the wave to paradise or go down swinging with the DCEU. Nabbing Affleck was always top priority for WB. This is good news in an otherwise negative outlook.


Goyer has always sucked. Absolutely. Blade 2 I like, but I think Del Toro gave it a re-write. The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises are excellent. But there again, Goyer was reigned in by Jonathan Nolan as his co-writer. Left to his own devices, (see the Goyer-written and directed Blade 3), Goyer is a major league hack.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby Abitaman » Sun May 08, 2016 11:15 pm

I just watched Blade 3 Wednesday when I was home sick, why I do not know, i must have been running a fever. But yes, the script while, had a couple of good ideas, generally sucked. The dialog was pathetic.

DC should drop him.
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Re: DC Extended Universe THREAD

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun May 08, 2016 11:26 pm

Abitaman wrote:I just watched Blade 3 Wednesday when I was home sick, why I do not know, i must have been running a fever. But yes, the script while, had a couple of good ideas, generally sucked. The dialog was pathetic.

DC should drop him.



How funny was Goyer's Jersey Shore guido version of Dracula?

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"Yo, I'm fuckin Dracula, bitches. Anyone else GTL and DTF? Wasssup?" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


It would be one thing if Goyer wrote the script and a director conceived the Dracula character this way. But Goyer wrote AND directed. His instincts are just total shit.
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