Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Must be a shit-ton of DC die-hards out there, then. Last night, its third Friday.
It's up against a bunch of crap. Big deal.
Subjective.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:I figured Kubo would sell more.
Of course it didn't. It's a mediocre kids movie. Come on, be realistic.
I am. You're not. Animation is big bucks. You know it's "mediocre"? I've no interest in it, personally, but those types of films tend to do well. It's at 8.4 on IMDb, too. I guess a few people do like it.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Meanwhile, Pete's Dragon — the other movie I figured would clobber Suicide Squad — can't shore up enough momentum to gross the equivalent of its production budget.
Because it wasn't that impressive in previews and is another mediocre kids movie...and the old movie is so completely different, it's not even going to get a nostalgia audience.
Wrong again. It reviewed very well. Advance reviews gave it 4/5, 8-9/10, and it's (oh, boy, wait for it) 87% "Certified Fresh" on Rotten Tomatoes, which is littered with positive reviews. It was also praised because it's completely different apart from its core premise. Critics complimented the director and cinematographer. I, myself, could care less. Still, I expected a movie like that to kick royal ass at the box office and it did anything but. But I don't feel this rabid desire to go "HAHAHA!! IT SUCKS!! DISNEY BLEW IT!! F U!!"
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:The fact is, as more DC movies arrive, more people are going to see them.
Well, duh. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
Yeah, that's a hard one to argue, eh?
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Everyone's going to go watch
Wonder Woman. Everyone's going to go watch
Justice League. Everyone's going to go watch
The Batman. And you'll sit right there at work and type out your rants, and we'll rebut and have a good laugh.
First of all, I don't type posts at work. That's just an ignorant assumption on your part.
We don't judge.
Monker wrote:Second, it's also an assumption that "everyone" is going to see those movies. And, it's an assumption that I will think they are bad.
Yes, assumptions are your forte (see:
Pete's Dragon). "Everybody" as a point of context: people who watch and enjoy CBMs, not people who never go see CBMs and only watch war movies and romcoms. Of course, there are always a few people who will take RT's and Ding Dong Movie Reviews' numbers/feedback as gospel and skip seeing it in the theater and wait for the DVD. I know a good number of people who have watched
BvS on DVD (some even accidentally watched the theatrical cut first) and liked it.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:You're sorry, while IDGAF
Bullshit. You give a fuck. If you didn't give a fuck, you wouldn't be constantly arguing against the point in
long diatribes.
Look who's talking. You're allergic to brevity.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:The Force Awakens is at 92% and it grossed $2B. It must be one of the greatest films ever made! Fuck, no. It's another Avatar.
In YOUR opinion. IMO, TFA was everything it needed to be, and more...which is why it sold so well. If it were crap like the prequels, people wouldn't have been going back 10 times (your count) to see it.
The suits told JJ "the movie's going to have every one of
these, or find another movie to direct." That's why so much of the '77 film is in it, from a landing party starring the Big Bad (who turns out to be a Big Dork who gets Mary Sue'd) on a sand planet, complete with secret plans and a droid, to a cantina scene (that sucked compared to the original) to a romp through the NuDeath Starkiller (and a really weak Phasma who has nothing to do, but gives up some
critical data rather easily), to another space battle with X-Wings that look like they never got a new paint job (I didn't mind the scissor wing config). So, yes, loads of familiar stuff, loads of contrivances, familiar beats galore, lazy characterization for Finn and Poe, all sandwiched within the bread of the all-too-inept Rebellion. I guess they have to be, because if they noticed The New Odor building that Starkiller, there wouldn't be a movie!
For the record, people DID go see those prequel films 5-10-15 times or whatever, because some
Star Wars fans are gluttons for punishment.
Monker wrote:Why are you so incredibly jealous of any success Disney has? If BvS had the numbers WB was expecting, I bet you would not feel the need to project your anger on Disney, as if they wronged you somehow. What SW:TFA did at the box office is so irrelevant to the DCEU that, IMO, you look silly even bringing it up. It's not Disney's fault that they know how to make an entertaining movie that sells better than anything WB and DC have dished up so far....THAT is WB and DC's fault...maybe you should direct your anger and frustration at them instead.
^Assumptions galore! Come one, come all! No shoving...there's enough room for everybody!
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:But it was praised endlessly, which only showed Disney that they can get away with recycling a whole mess of story beats — so you just wait for them to do it again.
Oh, STFU. I said in the beginning, over a year ago, that EVERY epic tale that has lasted through time has followed the Hero's Journey. That is a FACT. Disney KNOWS this. This isn't some recent thing. This has been going on since their resurgence in the early 90's. It is so ingrained in Disney that a screenplay will most likely be denied if it doesn't follow that pattern. Therefore, EVERY Disney movie from roughly 1991 on follows those "beats". "The Little Mermaid", "Lion King", "Mulon", "Alladin"....ALL OF THEM. And, most are loved to this day by the masses BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW THE HERO'S JOURNEY.
Mulan? Aladdin? You'd better to stick to "STFU" and "Yo momma!" jokes.
Monker wrote:If you read that, and let it sink in, you will KNOW this is EXACTLY the "beats" that Wonder Woman will follow.
Wonder Woman's one of the oldest comic book characters still being published, still popular. Nobody's saying the HJ (haha) will be absent from the film's narrative. I said I know which variations of her origin they're going to adapt — and then Funker goes into a tailspin! She's a young Diana who leaves Themyscira and doesn't know the full extent of her powers. Quit fuckin' whining and watch the movie when it gets here. If you don't because you won't let yourself, well, they offer professional help for that.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Monker wrote:I talked about this in the very beginning, you just forgot. DC had success with the three Batman films. MoS was a good reboot of Superman. DC could have set their own standard of high quality stand alone movies, or series. They could have let Marvel do their own thing with a shared universe, something they are good at....and DC could have continued doing what they are obviously good at. There was no reason to try to compete directly against Marvel with their own shared universe. It was a dumb decision when they had already set such a high standard. Now they are invested three movies into the DCEU with one decent movie (MoS), one crappy movie (BvS) and one very mediocre movie (SS). That, IMO, is a huge step BACKWARDS after the three Batman movies. DC has blown it now. Wonder Woman can still save it...but based on the recent past - I have my doubts.
What a dumb thing to say.
If you don't want to know the answer then don't ask the damn question.
LOL. You can't avoid being called you out for your wholesale dismissal of the DCEU. The MCU as a whole does not represent the zenith of the CBM genre. The one film commonly touted as the single best CBM (which you apparently agree with) doesn't even feature a Marvel character.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:What were Fox and Sony doing...with properties they bought from Marvel in the 1996 fire sale?
What Fox or Sony were doing is irrelevant. Were you going about thinking of how they were affecting DC as you were watching the next TDK film, or anticipating the next?
That's your specialty. Just replace Fox/Sony with DC/WB in your case.
Monker wrote:They could have continued spoon feeding THEIR audience with quality film after quality film. But, they chose to try to play catch-up to Marvel.
That's what I'm talking about. You won't quit with the "catch up to Marvel" bologna, as though DC had never ever, ever planned to put more than one superhero onscreen together at any one time. I already told you Superman was supposed to appear in
Supergirl back in the '80s, and his photograph is in the film.
Shit, if you want to be technical, at least bring up Universal. The Universal Monsters are the original shared universe.
Monker wrote:And, I think even you will admit, that NOTHING has come close to the TDK series of films. So sad that they, and people like you, have lowered their standards to the level of the turd that floats to the top of the toilet bowl as being the best film of the day.
Still in a tailspin, I see. Aren't you getting dizzy? Or do you have a special ability to fend off vertigo, akin to Scott Baio's in
Zapped! For the record, I think
Man of Steel is one of the best CBMs, too, along with
The Dark Knight, Batman Begins, BvS:UE, Iron Man, CA:TWS, and
X-M:FC. For my money,
Batman Begins is the single best origin film, and
MoS/IM are right behind it.
First Class is also a contender for best franchise reset because Matt Vaughn did a superb job (too bad Singer took back the reins).
The Dark Knight Rises is a fine film, but it's far and away the most flawed of Nolan's. It's got problems the way Civil War has 'em.
Monker wrote:So, the only way I can be "fired up" for a future release of a movie is to go on and on about it on a discussion forum? Bleh. I will talk about stuff when I have a desire to talk about it....not to prove that I am "fired up" about it.
Right, you only go on a discussion forum to attempt to convince others they're wrong when it comes to their opinions on certain films, politics, etc.?

Monker wrote:But, BvS and now SS DISAGREE with your opinion of the films..you are simply in the minority opinion and you refuse to believe it or accept it.
We're the outliers. We're the Rogues.
Come out to playyyyyy!
verslibre wrote:That's fine with me...there NEEDS to be a Deadpool out there to bring this down to a sane level by being insane. You know, WB/DC, why so serious?
Serious has worked for DC just fine, and still does. Look what happened when Joel Schumacher made
Batman & Robin. It bombed. It deserved to bomb. Never again. DC has plenty of characters that aren't on a Batman level of serious. You'll see them soon enough.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:That's your problem.
LOL....now that is funny. I don't see it as a problem at all.
Affected people usually don't.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:So did you haul ass to see Kubo and the Two Strings
Maybe next weekend...we'll see.
Right on. Let us know how it goes.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Pete's Dragon
Looks lame.
I agree. Not into it.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:and
Everybody Wants Some? 
Don't know anything about that...except the VH song/video in "Better Off Dead", which was pretty good.
Everybody Wants Some!! is Richard Linklater's "spiritual sequel" (set in 1980) to
Dazed and Confused. It came out a few months ago. He made it for 10 million bucks and it STILL bombed. Honestly, it didn't look that good. And I love
D&C. (Hey, those letters again!)