The Donald J Trump Presidential Threat

[The_Noble_Cause]

Greenwald interview on Tump era vs Bush/Cheney....


Q: You've written that the Bush-Cheney administration was far worse than the Trump administration. You've also argued that in various ways the Obama administration was worse.

A: I started writing about politics because I thought the media was so dormant and complacent about these radical assaults on civil liberties under Bush and Cheney taking place during the war on terror. And then under Obama, they went to sleep even further. They got hypnotized into thinking that he was a noble and benevolent leader.

I'll give you just one example, which is press freedom. Under Obama, as I'm sure you know, the Espionage Act of 1917—one of the most pernicious laws we have on our books; it was enacted under Woodrow Wilson, and it was designed to criminalize dissent from U.S. participation in World War I—was invoked against whistleblowers and sources, like Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning and a dozen others, more under Obama than every other prior president combined. It ended up being three times more prosecutions under the Espionage Act for our sources as journalists than all previous presidents, including Nixon or Eisenhower or whoever you want to pick. And the press said almost nothing.

Trump gets in, and The Washington Post changes its motto to "Democracy Dies in Darkness," essentially saying press freedom is under assault. [White House reporter] Jim Acosta writes a bestseller with some pompous, self-glorifying title, like Danger: Reporting in the Era of Trump. What the fuck ever happened to Jim Acosta that constitutes an assault on press freedom? The worst thing Trump ever did to any of them was to say mean things about them in tweets. Those aren't assaults on press freedom. I was threatened by the Obama administration with prison when I was doing the Snowden reporting. I was criminally indicted by the [Jair] Bolsonaro government at the beginning of [2020] for the reporting I did in Brazil. Those are attacks on press freedom. Saying Jim Acosta is an idiot, and tweeting something insulting about Wolf Blitzer, isn't.

So you go through those metrics. George Bush and Dick Cheney started new wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama started new wars in Libya and Yemen. What new wars did Donald Trump start? He escalated bombing campaigns, which he inherited, in a pretty grotesque way. But he didn't start any new wars.

When you look at things like the destruction of Iraq or the implementation of a torture regime—what has Donald Trump done that even remotely compares in terms of moral evil to any of that? Nothing. And yet we're supposed to treat George Bush and Barack Obama like morally upstanding statesmen and Donald Trump like the literal reincarnation of Hitler.

https://reason.com/2021/01/23/journalis ... ritarians/

[Andrew]

Where's FF?

I'm sure he is with the rest of the Exiles talking about how the Patriots were framed for the capitol riots, that Trump had more people at his goodbye speech than Biden had at the inauguration, how Pence is somehow a neverTrumper and RINO, and posting links and articles on how every Democrat in a power position is going to jail...basically repeating what Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity spew daily. Oh, yeah, and their wonderful insights on Andrew and me and this forum. That is their addictions.

LOL

So the same as 200 days ago when I last looked?

[Andrew]

If you are OK with killing unarmed females with mental issues, then man-up and say that.

You are still an absolute dickhead.

[verslibre]

Neither. She was profiled on the news. And she wasn't shot from behind. She was shot in the neck.

I didn't say she was shot from behind. You said the doorway was the only thing standing in the way of her getting access to the VP hallway.

Correct.

In reality, there was an armed officer in front of her (the one who killed her) AND the video shows 4 additional armed officers behind her as soon as she hits the floor. So what you're saying is just a bunch of crap.

I'm "full of crap" because four other officers did not fire at her? Sounds like that's what you're saying. She was shot by an officer from inside the hallway because she was attempting to get through, by climbing through an aperture where glass had been broken. (Naturally, the right wing journos got busy and speculated she was "antifa" because "they're good at lock-picking"!) She was described as a 45 super-supporter and she went to the Capitol without her husband. Nothing about mental issues.

Are you disputing that a mob of Q-nuts was trying to breach the hallway?

If you are OK with killing unarmed females with mental issues, then man-up and say that.

If you're a Qnut, I doubt you will man up and say that.

[scarab]

I think the federal officers/security showed incredible constraint not to shoot to kill.
You have a mob coming right after me and they want in (Thank God for thank your ground laws).

This mental issue has little/no bearing cause you would have to be crazy to storm a government building.

[Monker]

I think the federal officers/security showed incredible constraint not to shoot to kill.
You have a mob coming right after me and they want in (Thank God for thank your ground laws).

This mental issue has little/no bearing cause you would have to be crazy to storm a government building.

It was also not just storming a government building. They were attempting to stop a Constitutional process to count the electors and formally elect Joe Biden. That is treason. They also explicitly screamed their intention to murder Pence and Pelosi...and even had a gallows erected. Carrying the confederate flag is ironic symbolism for what they truly stood for, rebellion against the Constitution of the US.

The lady was partially inside the window when shot. When you listen to one of the videos, you can hear the guy taking the video repeatedly yell that there were guns drawn...but she went in anyway. These people felt entitled to do what they did, egged on by Trump himself.

Holding her up as some sort of martyr and hero is wrong. She is a traitor to this nation and was shot in the process.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I didn't say she was shot from behind. You said the doorway was the only thing standing in the way of her getting access to the VP hallway.

Correct.

If there were armed officers directly behind her, then your characterization that the doorway was the only thing preventing her and the mob from getting to Pence is crap.

I'm "full of crap" because four other officers did not fire at her? Sounds like that's what you're saying. She was shot by an officer from inside the hallway because she was attempting to get through, by climbing through an aperture where glass had been broken.

Sounds like you didn't watch the video and are now changing the subject. Your justification of the murder is not corroborated by the facts. Sorry.

(Naturally, the right wing journos got busy and speculated she was "antifa" because "they're good at lock-picking"!)

Link?

She was described as a 45 super-supporter and she went to the Capitol without her husband. Nothing about mental issues.

You've been using the term Qnuts and whack jobs to refer to her and the mob throughout this thread. Do you not believe your own posts?

If you're a Qnut, I doubt you will man up and say that.

Thanks for proving my above point.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It was also not just storming a government building. They were attempting to stop a Constitutional process to count the electors and formally elect Joe Biden. That is treason. They also explicitly screamed their intention to murder Pence and Pelosi...and even had a gallows erected. Carrying the confederate flag is ironic symbolism for what they truly stood for, rebellion against the Constitution of the US.

Alot of generalizing going on here.....

Some videos shows the cops standing idly by as Trump voters entered the capitol.
Some protestors, like "capital meemaw" here and others, obviously got swept up in the moment.

These people felt entitled to do what they did, egged on by Trump himself.

He was a mile away and still talking when the capitol was entered. Sounds like you just want to criminalize political speech.

Holding her up as some sort of martyr and hero is wrong. She is a traitor to this nation and was shot in the process.

I said she was an unarmed female with apparent mental issues. I didn't say she was a martyr or a hero. Now, if you think breaking a door warrants being slaughtered, you should say that. I think there's alot of people in this thread - mostly Biden supporters - who lack the courage of their convictions on an array of issues.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If you are OK with killing unarmed females with mental issues, then man-up and say that.

You are still an absolute dickhead.

President Biden called for unity in his inaugural address.
Naturally, you keep sowing cyber discord and doing Putin’s bidding.

My natsec friends say MR was down recently because the servers were being relocated to St. Petersburg.
These same people claim the Steele dossier is 100% accurate. So you know it has to be true.

[Monker]

It was also not just storming a government building. They were attempting to stop a Constitutional process to count the electors and formally elect Joe Biden. That is treason. They also explicitly screamed their intention to murder Pence and Pelosi...and even had a gallows erected. Carrying the confederate flag is ironic symbolism for what they truly stood for, rebellion against the Constitution of the US.

Alot of generalizing going on here.....

Of course there is. Every single person who entered the capitol building did so illegally. They did so as part of a mob trying to overthrow the Constitutional process of counting electors. Those are facts.

Some videos shows the cops standing idly by as Trump voters entered the capitol.
Some protestors, like "capital meemaw" here and others, obviously got swept up in the moment.

Everybody in that photo should have been added to the no fly list, and arrested and put on trial for unlawful entry into the capitol building. They are ALL criminals.

These people felt entitled to do what they did, egged on by Trump himself.

He was a mile away and still talking when the capitol was entered. Sounds like you just want to criminalize political speech.

Sounds to me like you are just being an ass and trying to argue over bullshit, as usual.

He egged on these rioters in his speech prior to this. He TOLD them to go to the capitol. He TOLD them to fight. He TOLD them he would be right there with them, which was a LIE...because he is a coward.

Holding her up as some sort of martyr and hero is wrong. She is a traitor to this nation and was shot in the process.

I said she was an unarmed female with apparent mental issues. I didn't say she was a martyr or a hero. [/quote]

I wasn't talking to you. The world doesn't revolve around you and your posts to this forum.

Now, if you think breaking a door warrants being slaughtered, you should say that. I think there's alot of people in this thread - mostly Biden supporters - who lack the courage of their convictions on an array of issues.

I already said exactly what I believe in that first post. She was in the capitol illegally. They were there to stop the count of electors. They were shouting that they wanted to execute Pence and Pelosi. She bragged in a FB post that nothing would stop them. A bullet to the neck stopped her, and rightfully so.

You are making excuses for a mob attack on the capitol. You can not even admit that EVERYBODY in the capitol that night was a criminal. You are siding with treasonous, rebellious, anarchists....and that includes Trump himself.

And, the Republican party is paying a price for this...There are plenty of stories that the Republican party is losing member since this riot. People like Hawley, McCarthy, Cruz, and now Marjorie Taylor Greene make the Republican party look like extremist anarchists who only want to seek power. They don't need to create their own party because by the time 2022 comes, only these radical anarchists will be left.

In addition, FOX is sinking and CNN has taken their place as the #1 news source. FOX has shifted even FURTHER to the right to try to get viewers back from NewsMax and AON. They are fighting over a minority of viewers. Idiots. FOX has screwed itself by being nothing but the mouthpiece for Trump. So, to get viewers back, they add more opinionators and take away more news. Again, idiots. FOX, NewsMax, AON are the National Enquire's of cable news...all lies and bullshit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

1) Trump told them to make their voices heard peacefully. You can say his speech was reckless and you may disagree with it, but it's still protected speech.

2) There is a history of occupation of government buildings in America. From armed Black Panthers in the 60s to anti-Kavanaugh protestors in 2018. Am I prepared to broad brush ALL of these – including the recent Trump supporters - as criminal scum? Nope.

3) The rest (fox news ratings, the GOP) - who the fuck cares?

4) Lastly, this video perfectly encapsulates how close we were to the insurrectionists seizing power. Absolutely chilling.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1351540504194912257

[Monker]

1) Trump told them to make their voices heard peacefully. You can say his speech was reckless and you may disagree with it, but it's still protected speech.

Oh, please. Only a very naive person would actually believe his speech did not encourage what happened. It is NOT protected speech to inspire a mob to attack the capitol building so you can remain President. It is something a President should be impeached for, kicked out of office, and never allowed to run for public office again.

2) There is a history of occupation of government buildings in America. From armed Black Panthers in the 60s to anti-Kavanaugh protestors in 2018. Am I prepared to broad brush ALL of these – including the recent Trump supporters - as criminal scum? Nope.

I am. If they invaded a federal building to stop a Constitutional process. They are treasonous rebels and should be treated as such. If they broke into a federal building unlawfully then they are criminals and should spend time in jail. I don't care if they are Antifa, BLM, MAGA, Democrat or Republican....they are criminals. If any of them get shot and die, they died committing a crime and will not get my sympathy...despite their sex or being a veteran or not.

[qiuote]3) The rest (fox news ratings, the GOP) - who the fuck cares?[/quote]

You do. You replied to it. The bottom line is Trump has brought down the Republican party and the conservative agenda for the foreseeable future.

4) Lastly, this video perfectly encapsulates how close we were to the insurrectionists seizing power. Absolutely chilling.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1351540504194912257

A mob egged on by Trump broke into the capitol building, invaded the Senate and House chambers, searched for Pence, Pelosi and whoever else to murder them, rummaged through offices of congress members, and vandalized and stole things. They are ALL criminals and should all be on the no fly list and arrested for their crimes. Anything less encourages this ridiculous and treasonous behavior.

[Andrew]

If you are OK with killing unarmed females with mental issues, then man-up and say that.

You are still an absolute dickhead.

President Biden called for unity in his inaugural address.
Naturally, you keep sowing cyber discord and doing Putin’s bidding.

My natsec friends say MR was down recently because the servers were being relocated to St. Petersburg.
These same people claim the Steele dossier is 100% accurate. So you know it has to be true.

And a wanker.

[Monker]

This is why all of those who entered the capitol building need to be held accountable, why they are all traitors and criminals.

In the ruling for setting bail for the guy who had his feet on Pelosi's dest, the judge said:

"On Jan. 6, 2021, there was an assault on the U.S. Capitol during a joint session of Congress certifying the 2020 presidential election results," she said. "During this assault, scores of individuals forced entry into the Capitol by breaking windows, pushing through the Capitol doors, reaching closed, highly sensitive and reserved areas, assaulting members of the U.S. Capitol Police and the D.C. Police force.

"This violence disrupted the constitutional function of Congress necessary for the presidential transition and the functioning of our democracy," she said. "This was not a peaceful protest. Hundreds of people came to Washington, D.C., to disrupt the transition of power and to thwart Congress, a branch of the federal government, from carrying out its duty in fulfilling its constitutional task of officially certifying the vote of the Electoral Collage. It was an assault on the Capitol that was intended to disrupt the peaceful transition of power to a new administration."

Five people died, and many more were injured, Howell said.

"We're still living here in Washington, D.C., with the consequences of the violence in which this defendant is alleged to have participated," Howell said. "Thousands of National Guard troops were brought into the Distinct of Columbia to ensure that last week's inauguration could proceed peacefully."

Thousands of National Guard troops remain in the city, she said.

"Shockingly, this risk of violence was caused by fellow Americans," Howell said.

Full article here:
https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/202 ... riot-case/

It's not a joke. It's not a tale of old grandma's. It's not something to roll your eyes at. It is treasonous behavior that should never, EVER, be tolerated in this country. Those who would give this behavior a pass should not be living in this country.

[verslibre]

I didn't say she was shot from behind. You said the doorway was the only thing standing in the way of her getting access to the VP hallway.

Correct.

If there were armed officers directly behind her, then your characterization that the doorway was the only thing preventing her and the mob from getting to Pence is crap.

I'm "full of crap" because four other officers did not fire at her? Sounds like that's what you're saying. She was shot by an officer from inside the hallway because she was attempting to get through, by climbing through an aperture where glass had been broken.

Sounds like you didn't watch the video and are now changing the subject. Your justification of the murder is not corroborated by the facts. Sorry.

(Naturally, the right wing journos got busy and speculated she was "antifa" because "they're good at lock-picking"!)

Link?

She was described as a 45 super-supporter and she went to the Capitol without her husband. Nothing about mental issues.

You've been using the term Qnuts and whack jobs to refer to her and the mob throughout this thread. Do you not believe your own posts?

If you're a Qnut, I doubt you will man up and say that.

Thanks for proving my above point.

Freeze! Drop that goalpost!

Happy reading!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-trump-s-focus-on-antifa-distracted-attention-from-the-far-right-threat/ar-BB1deJBk?ocid=anaheim-ntp-feeds