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verslibre wrote:Tie that bandana 'round your head, Rambo. You may as well get up and close and personal if you want results. Get your hands dirty. Bombing empty tunnels won't do shit.

UncleKG wrote:

JBlake wrote:

ebake02 wrote:
Doesn't matter what he spends, it's still a waste of taxpayer money. He can build whatever wall he wants, illegal aliens and smugglers will tunnel under it like they're doing now. Mexico won't be reimbursing us either, anybody who thinks so is fucking stupid.

Obviously you're in favor of and approve illegal aliens and smuggler tunnel activities.

Simple solution, drop BLU-109's, 113's, 116's and 118/Bravos on the first tunnels discovered and watch all drug and illegal alien tunnel activities secure In short order.

"NUKE 'EM ALL!" You realize a lot of these tunnels are built in border towns, right? Brilliant idea.

Have you ever had alcohol? Then you're a hypocrite. Ever smoked a cigarette? You're a hypocrite. Ever taken a painkiller or muscle relaxer? You're a hypocrite. Ever had coffee? You're a hypocrite.

A drug is a drug is a drug, legal or otherwise. Do you advocate dropping bombs on domestic pot farmers as well?

And he's right. They'll find a way to get in.

“The Border Patrol has done an incredible job, given its resources,” said Gen. Barry R. McCaffrey, the White House drug policy director in the Clinton administration. “But it would be a stretch to say that the border and border communities are secure when the agency lacks a high-confidence ability to detect cross-border tunnels. No wall is going to fix that.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/us/us-mexico-border-wall-tunnels.html?_r=0

verslibre wrote:

JBlake wrote:Simple solution, drop BLU-109's, 113's, 116's and 118/Bravos on the first tunnels discovered and watch all drug and illegal alien tunnel activities secure In short order.

Tie that bandana 'round your head, Rambo. You may as well get up and close and personal if you want results. Get your hands dirty. Bombing empty tunnels won't do shit.

UncleKG wrote:US State Department's entire senior management team quits as Secretary Rex Tillerson takes up post
The move was part of an exit of officials who do not want to work under Donald Trump
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-state-department-senior-management-team-quit-resign-rex-tillerson-secretary-donald-trump-cabinet-a7547916.html

JBlake wrote:Or perhaps knows that they are going to be kicked the fuck out for years of committing, among other things, waste, fraud and abuse.

UncleKG wrote:Well, since you used such an unbiased and scholarly source as Conservative Review.com

Let's see what MIT has to say:
"(D)rump might say it would be worth the cost since border crossings are out of control. However, because of several factors, including improvements in the Mexican economy and increases in Border Patrol staffing, fewer people are making the attempt. Officers caught 331,000 people crossing the Mexican border in fiscal 2015, less than one-fifth the number in 2000."

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/602494/bad-math-props-up-trumps-border-wall/

So, you can't show cause and effect it's the wall that's stopping them. Also, note that MIT expects the cost to be as high as $40 billion, not including maintenance.

Pew Research (who Drump referred to as the organization that supposedly said there were millions of illegal voters, even though they didn't) says this:

"The drop in Mexican emigration to the U.S. during and since the Great Recession has at least three main causes. First, there was a decrease in the number of jobs available in the U.S. to Mexican immigrants, particularly in construction. Second, since the mid-2000s there has been stricter enforcement of immigration laws at the U.S.-Mexico border (with the number of Border Patrol agents now above 17,000) and an increase in the number of deportations of Mexican immigrants. Third, there are demographic changes underway in Mexico that could be affecting would-be immigrants. Today, a declining share of the population in Mexico is made up of people ages 15 to 29 (24.9% in 2014 versus 29.4% in 1990) – and immigrants are more likely to migrate at younger ages, particularly between the ages of 20 and 30 years old. This reflects the decline of the fertility rate in Mexico since the 1970s, which has led to a decades-long process of population aging in Mexico.

As Pew Research Center reported last fall in an analysis of Mexican and U.S. data, migration flows from Mexico had recently reversed for the first time since the 1940s. Between 2009 and 2014, some 870,000 Mexican immigrants arrived in the U.S. while about 1 million left. This change followed on a five-year period of net-zero migration from Mexico after several decades of large inflows of Mexican immigrants into the U.S."

So, we're going to put up a $40 billion wall that will keep more from leaving than are coming in? Makes perfect sense.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/04/14/mexico-us-border-apprehensions/

UncleKG wrote:I just read this in Foghorn Leghorn's voice. "I say, sir! This transgression will not stand! Not unless it's my candidate attacking people. Then and only then is it acceptable!"

Memorex wrote:You'd have to go back a little more than 8 years to find a president that didn't talk about himself all the time. You think the last guy didn't have an ego? Read any speech and count the number of "I's". He had just as big of an ego, but he was more sly about it.

I wonder if today's politics are such that it takes that ego to get there. Hillary certainly praised herself a lot. Maybe it's just the state of things.

Boomchild wrote:

Memorex wrote:You'd have to go back a little more than 8 years to find a president that didn't talk about himself all the time. You think the last guy didn't have an ego? Read any speech and count the number of "I's". He had just as big of an ego, but he was more sly about it.

I wonder if today's politics are such that it takes that ego to get there. Hillary certainly praised herself a lot. Maybe it's just the state of things.

In Obama's farewell speech he referred to himself over 70 times.

Boomchild wrote:I noticed how the information mentioned talks nothing about the drug trafficking problem at the border or that it leaves open access to threats from people that wish to enter the U.S. to commit terrorist acts. As the article I presented shows the type of fencing discussed does work. It also states that while it won't keep all from getting in, it aids in controlling the rate and the speed at which they enter. Allowing for border patrol agents to do a better job at catching them. Furthermore, I do not trust what our government says the number of people entering the country illegally on the border with Mexico.

UncleKG wrote:Hey, kids! Let's have a lesson in economics and business.

When someone imposes a tax on an import, who ultimately pays that tax?

A. The company producing the product?
B. The consumer who purchases that product, since the manufacturer will pass that tax along to consumers in the form of higher prices?

As has been said many times, Mexico ain't paying for that wall. U.S. consumers are. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/politics/mexico-wall-tax-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=64842749&pgtype=Homepage

UncleKG wrote:I noticed how you don't address the tunnels that we have no technology to find. I'd be interested to know how many people use the Mexico border to enter the U.S. to commit terrorist acts.

You're right, it won't keep them all from getting in, and it also doesn't let those who wish to leave (which has been a higher number than those entering over the past five years) get out.

Furthermore, I do not trust what our government says about the cost of building such a wall (MIT says $27 to $40 billion, not including maintenance).

You think the wall is going to stop or even put a crimp in drug trafficking? Please. Over $1 trillion wasted on the drug war?http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/13/ap-impact-years-trillion-war-drugs-failed-meet-goals.html


Where there's a will (and massive $$$ to be made), there's a way.

UncleKG wrote:Hey, kids! Let's have a lesson in economics and business.

When someone imposes a tax on an import, who ultimately pays that tax?

A. The company producing the product?
B. The consumer who purchases that product, since the manufacturer will pass that tax along to consumers in the form of higher prices?

As has been said many times, Mexico ain't paying for that wall. U.S. consumers are. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/politics/mexico-wall-tax-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=64842749&pgtype=Homepage

JBlake wrote:

UncleKG wrote:Hey, kids! Let's have a lesson in economics and business.

When someone imposes a tax on an import, who ultimately pays that tax?

A. The company producing the product?
B. The consumer who purchases that product, since the manufacturer will pass that tax along to consumers in the form of higher prices?

As has been said many times, Mexico ain't paying for that wall. U.S. consumers are. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/us/politics/mexico-wall-tax-trump.html?action=Click&contentCollection=BreakingNews&contentID=64842749&pgtype=Homepage

I'd say both A and B. The company will pay the initial tax but in turn will pass that expense on to the consumer, via higher sale prices. That's why you will pay three times the amount for a imported car in America then it costs if you purchased that same car in the country that it was built in. Prime example is a brand new Nissan Fairlady in Japan in 1990 costed roughly $26K USD but that same car purchased in the US (just renamed 280Z) cost well over that in the US. Same with America made cars in foreign countries. for example, American made cars went for great big stupid dollars in Japan back in the 80s. We're talking $80K USD and greater for models such as Mustang 5.0's and Trans Am 5.7's

So to answer your question, I think it's both A and B. Now you're leaving out a lot of other information such as how this would impact the American economy, business owners, employees, and consumer. Like my car scenario mentioned, instead of purchasing something that would cost two and three times more because it's imported, most would tend to purchase domestic for up to 1/3rd the price. Nearly all manufacturing has been outsourced out of America and to other countries now. You really don't have a choice anymore to buy American made. Levi's used to be a very quality jean. Look at the cheap shit coming out of Mexico now from that outsourced company. With Trump doing what he's doing in regards to trade, we will again have a choice to buy truly American (domestic) or foreign (imported). And that will equate into positive business for America, American businesses, business owners, employees and consumers. And ultimately A and B wouldn't effect those who have chosen to purchase American (domestic) vs foreign (imported).

Watch this closely and you may understand a bit more clearly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI

Fact Finder wrote:]

Btw Mayor, using your own logic, just by being here illegally there has been a crime, so they should self report to police? You are insane.

UncleKG wrote:
Did Obama refer to himself in the third person?

Fact Finder wrote:

On CNN Thursday morning, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio said that if the Trump administration attempts to pull federal funds from 'sanctuary cities,' New York will take them to court.

"New York City has half a million undocumented people, we want them to come forward and work with the police, if they see a drime or are a victim of crime. If they believe by talking to a police officer, they would get deported... they are not going to work with police," he said about the 'sanctuary cities' label.

"This is about human beings, families that came here," he said. "I want people to follow the law, I don't think people should violate our borders, but let's face it, this has been a problem in our country for hundreds of years."

Listen to this dreck, this is the kind of stupid and frankly lazy politics we have been bitching about for years. The Mayor clearly understands there is a problem but is too damn lazy, afraid or just plain stupid to realize something needs done about it. Trump has threatened to hold up to 9 billion of NYC Fed Funds if they don't clean this sanctuary shit up, same for San Fran and many other cities. Now that Trump has his attention he starts screaming instead of working to fix the problem. See the problem Mr. mayor and fix it.

Btw Mayor, using your own logic, just by being here illegally there has been a crime, so they should self report to police? You are insane.

Man twice deported arrested in Abington bank robbery

ABINGTON TWP., Pa. (WPVI) --
Police arrested a 43-year-old man Wednesday in connection with a bank robbery in Abington, Montgomery County.

They say Mario Calderon held up the TD Bank on the 1400 block of Old York Road last Friday.

Authorities say Calderon is from Mexico and had already been deported twice.

http://6abc.com/news/man-twice-deported ... -/1721344/

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:This is Great News! Now Trump can get qualified people.

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:So the little shit that started the fire and said "screw President Trump", you know, the one that looks like Pugsley Addams, turns out to be Drew Careys son. I just lost all my respect for Carey. I look forward to seeing his kid in Juvie soon.

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:Step one.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/mayor-miami- ... 40090.html

K.C.Journey Fan wrote:So the little shit that started the fire and said "screw President Trump", you know, the one that looks like Pugsley Addams, turns out to be Drew Careys son. I just lost all my respect for Carey. I look forward to seeing his kid in Juvie soon.

ebake02 wrote:Does this stupid fucker realize that he's calling his own election into question?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01 ... fraud.html

ebake02 wrote:Does this stupid fucker realize that he's calling his own election into question?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01 ... fraud.html

verslibre wrote:

ebake02 wrote:Does this stupid fucker realize that he's calling his own election into question?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01 ... fraud.html

Also, why does he keep asking parks & rec for more pix (this time he wants aerial pix) of his inauguration? He's really going out of his way to try to convince everyone he had the biggest turnout ever.