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Friend of mine is a poll watcher. He did see fraud and signed an affidavit. Will any of this change anything? I doubt it. I think Trump should definitely go down swinging. As a frame of reference, I also thought Kerry should have fought Ohio.

This is how affidavits are presented in court when questioned by a judge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06 ... TylerCohen

There was no large scale fraud. It's bullshit.

Monker wrote:This is how affidavits are presented in court when questioned by a judge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_get06 ... TylerCohen

There was no large scale fraud. It's bullshit.

That looks like old video, unless it’s a shitty camera. Anyway, my friend is a standup guy and would not call about fraud and sign an affidavit unless he actually witnessed it.

The bottom line is Trump and his lawyers talk bullshit on TV and Twitter but go to court, have no evidence (see last post) and then they get thrown out of court. It is all bullshit. There is no wide scale fraud. There is no huge conspiracy changing ballots. NONE OF THIS is being proven in court by Trump and his lawyers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL0wR2Z ... TylerCohen

Chris Christie is right, even Tucker Carlson is right (see later in the video in this post).

This is so far outside of reality that it is starting to get ridiculous. They are inventing things as they go. After the hand recount in Georgia PROVES machines did not manipulate the vote as they were counted, suddenly the Republican administration in Georgia is corrupt against its own party...blah, blah, blah. This is just a trail of lemmings being led off a cliff by Trump, Giuliani, and Powel.

Get over it already, Trump lost. NO evidence of ANY wide scale fraud has been presented in court. NO evidence of changing votes has been presented in court. There is absolutely NO evidence that widespread "corruption" and "fraud" even happened in this election. Read the quotes of Trump's lawyers in court...when questioned by the judge they admit they are not accusing anybody of fraud.

Trump has had WEEKS talking about this in court and has proven NOTHING.

Monker wrote:The bottom line is Trump and his lawyers talk bullshit on TV and Twitter but go to court, have no evidence (see last post) and then they get thrown out of court. It is all bullshit. There is no wide scale fraud. There is no huge conspiracy changing ballots. NONE OF THIS is being proven in court by Trump and his lawyers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL0wR2Z ... TylerCohen

Chris Christie is right, even Tucker Carlson is right (see later in the video in this post).

This is so far outside of reality that it is starting to get ridiculous. They are inventing things as they go. After the hand recount in Georgia PROVES machines did not manipulate the vote as they were counted, suddenly the Republican administration in Georgia is corrupt against its own party...blah, blah, blah. This is just a trail of lemmings being led off a cliff by Trump, Giuliani, and Powel.

Get over it already, Trump lost. NO evidence of ANY wide scale fraud has been presented in court. NO evidence of changing votes has been presented in court. There is absolutely NO evidence that widespread "corruption" and "fraud" even happened in this election. Read the quotes of Trump's lawyers in court...when questioned by the judge they admit they are not accusing anybody of fraud.

Trump has had WEEKS talking about this in court and has proven NOTHING.

Not sure who you are talking to. I simply mentioned my poll-watcher friend, the fact that he was concerned enough to call in perceived fraud, and sign an affidavit. Whether anything will come of this? Doubtful. If Trump wants to exhaust all legal avenues and cast Biden's win in a cloud of conspiracy, he should go for it.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Friend of mine is a poll watcher. He did see fraud and signed an affidavit. Will any of this change anything? I doubt it. I think Trump should definitely go down swinging. As a frame of reference, I also thought Kerry should have fought Ohio.

Did he whip out his phone and start filming?

verslibre wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Friend of mine is a poll watcher. He did see fraud and signed an affidavit. Will any of this change anything? I doubt it. I think Trump should definitely go down swinging. As a frame of reference, I also thought Kerry should have fought Ohio.

Did he whip out his phone and start filming?

Not that I'm aware of.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Friend of mine is a poll watcher. He did see fraud and signed an affidavit. Will any of this change anything? I doubt it. I think Trump should definitely go down swinging. As a frame of reference, I also thought Kerry should have fought Ohio.

Can you elaborate on the nature or details of said fraud? After numerous anecdotal stories that have no base, it would be nice to get some salient details on the phenomena. Thanks

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

https://apnews.com/article/election-202 ... 61a6c7f49d

brandonx76 wrote:Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

https://apnews.com/article/election-202 ... 61a6c7f49d

Yep...so, he'll be fired soon.

And, his people are accusing people of treason and saying they should be shot.

On Monday afternoon, Joe diGenova, a lawyer for the re-election campaign of President Donald Trump said that Chris Krebs, the now-former director of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) who was in charge of maintaining election security, "should be drawn and quartered, taken out at dawn and shot."

And, Trump is pissed at the governor of GA because he won't nullify the election, and declare him the winner...as if he is some type of king or whatever.

Like I said, they need to invoke the 25th amendment and kick Trump out of office before he does irreparable harm to the country. Every day that goes by shows how out of touch with reality Trump truly is. The guy is completely nuts.

And, this is how severe things are right now:

https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-tran ... on-threats

Gabriel Sterling, a top Georgia election, called on President Trump on Tuesday to condemn supporters who have threatened violence against election officials.
Brynn Anderson/AP
Updated at 10:55 p.m. ET

A top election official in Georgia had strong words for President Trump and other top Republican leaders who have attacked Georgia's election system in recent weeks after reports of harassment and death threats against officials overseeing the state's recount.

"Someone's going to get hurt, someone's going to get shot, someone's going to get killed," Gabriel Sterling, with the secretary of state's office, said Tuesday afternoon in an emotional and forceful news conference. "It's not right."

Among other things, a Twitter thread accusing a young technician working on the recount of altering votes led to his identity being released and calls for him to be "hung for treason."

Meanwhile, caravans of horn-honking Trump supporters constantly parade past Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's private residence and his wife has reportedly received sexually explicit threats. The president himself, who has falsely suggested he won Georgia's 16 electoral votes, has called on Republican Gov. Brian Kemp to overturn the election.

In a tweet Tuesday evening responding to Sterling's news conference, Trump again falsely alleged massive voter fraud in Georgia.

Sterling, a fixture in recent weeks as a calm, even-tempered source of election information and factoids about the complicated counting processes, unloaded on Trump, both Republican Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue and other GOP officials that have egged on the party's base to believe in widespread fraud.

"It has to stop," he said. "Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language. Senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. This has to stop. We need you to step up. And if you take a position of leadership, show some."

Sterling said the situation came to a head with a report that a Gwinnett County technician was outed and receiving death threats after a video circulated online purportedly showing him manipulating data as part of an official recount.

"His family is getting harassed now. There's a noose out there with his name on it. And it's not right," he said, adding: "I've got police protection outside my house. Fine. You know, I took a higher profile job. I get it, the Secretary ran for office, his wife knew that too. This kid took a job. He just took a job, and it's just wrong."

Ron Watkins, the former administrator of extremist site 8kun that played host to posts from the Qanon conspiracy theory, was one of the main boosters of that video. Watkins has also encouraged followers to monitor and livestream several county elections warehouses in search of evidence of impropriety.

Tuesday afternoon, police were called to a Gwinnett County location where a man who was livestreaming video followed workers he believed were secretly transporting voting machines in violation of a court order. In the video, an officer explained that boxes were full of office phones, and told the man he was trespassing.

Trump, both of Georgia's U.S. senators, many House members, several GOP state lawmakers and the chair of the Republican Party of Georgia have all cast doubt on the 2020 election process with little to no evidence of fraud or wrongdoing.

Sterling said those leaders, especially Perdue and Loeffler, need to "step up" and fight back against conspiracies.

"You have to be responsible in your rhetoric, you have to be responsible in your statements, you have to be responsible in your deeds," Sterling said. "That shouldn't be too much to ask for people who asked for us to give them responsibility."

In response, Trump campaign Communications Director Tim Murtaugh said: "The campaign is focused on ensuring that all legal votes are counted and all illegal votes are not. No one should engage in threats or violence, and if that has happened, we condemn that fully."

Both Perdue and Loeffler said they condemn any sort of violence, but won't apologize for their harsh questioning of Georgia's election administration.

Read Sterling's full remarks below:

"Good afternoon. My name is Gabriel Sterling and I'm the voting system implementation manager for State of Georgia. And just to give you a heads up, this is going to be sort of a two-part press conference today. At the beginning of this, I'm going to do my best to keep it together.

Because it has all gone too far. All of it.

Joe diGenova today asked for Chris Krebs, a patriot who ran CISA, to be shot. A 20-something tech in Gwinnett County today has death threats and a noose put out, saying he should be hung for treason because he was transferring a report on batches from an EMS to a county computer so he could read it.

It has to stop.

Mr. President, you have not condemned these actions or this language. Senators, you have not condemned this language or these actions. This has to stop. We need you to step up. And if you take a position of leadership, show some.

My boss, Secretary Raffensperger — his address is out there. They have people doing caravans in front of their house, they've had people come onto their property. Tricia, his wife of 40 years, is getting sexualized threats through her cellphone.

It has to stop.

This is elections, this is the backbone of democracy, and all of you who have not said a damn word are complicit in this. It's too much.

Yes, fight for every single vote. Go through your due process, we encourage you — use your First Amendment. That's fine. Death threats, physical threats, intimidation — it's too much. It's not right. We've lost the moral high ground to claim that it is.

I don't have all the best words to do this because I'm angry, and the straw that broke the camel's back today is, again, this 20-year-old contractor for a voting system company just trying to do his job. In fact, I talked to Dominion today and they said he's one of the better ones they got. His family is getting harassed now. There's a noose out there with his name on it. And it's not right.

I've got police protection outside my house. Fine. You know, I took a higher-profile job. I get it, Secretary ran for office, his wife knew that, too. This kid took a job. He just took a job, and it's just wrong.

I can't begin to explain the level of anger I have right now over this, and every American, every Georgian, Republican and Democrat alike, should have that same level of anger.

Mr. President. It looks like you likely lost the state of Georgia. We're investigating. There's always a possibility, I get it, and you have the rights to go through the courts. What you don't have the ability to do — and you need to step up and say this — is stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence. Someone's going to get hurt. Someone's going to get shot. Someone's going to get killed. And it's not right.

It's not right. And I don't have anything scripted — this is like I said, I will do my best to keep it together. All of this is wrong. DiGenova, who said for Chris Krebs to get shot, is a former U.S. attorney. He knows better. The people around the president know better.

Mr. President, as the secretary said yesterday, people aren't giving you the best advice on what's actually going on the ground. It's time to look forward if you want to run for reelection in four years. Fine, do it. But everything we're seeing right now, there's not a path. Be the bigger man here and stop. Step in, tell your supporters: Don't be violent, don't intimidate. All that's wrong. It's unAmerican.

I don't know what else to say on that front. I mean, these are elections. One of our goals was to make elections boring again. Well, guess what? That didn't happen. This is all wrong. It's all too much, and that's I'll leave that for there."

brandonx76 wrote:Can you elaborate on the nature or details of said fraud? After numerous anecdotal stories that have no base, it would be nice to get some salient details on the phenomena. Thanks

Not my story to tell. Many of the affidavits are available online, so I think it's odd that you can't find any details. Many of the public hearings have also been televised.

Monker wrote:

brandonx76 wrote:Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

https://apnews.com/article/election-202 ... 61a6c7f49d

Yep...so, he'll be fired soon.

And, his people are accusing people of treason and saying they should be shot.

On Monday afternoon, Joe diGenova, a lawyer for the re-election campaign of President Donald Trump said that Chris Krebs, the now-former director of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) who was in charge of maintaining election security, "should be drawn and quartered, taken out at dawn and shot."

And, Trump is pissed at the governor of GA because he won't nullify the election, and declare him the winner...as if he is some type of king or whatever.

Like I said, they need to invoke the 25th amendment and kick Trump out of office before he does irreparable harm to the country. Every day that goes by shows how out of touch with reality Trump truly is. The guy is completely nuts.

It's pretty telling that this link doesn't actually include the Barr interview. Based on the misleading sensational headline you would think Barr held a press conference to specifically dispute Trump's claims. Classic clickbait /editorial framing. Based on the few quotes released, Barr, as always, sounds reasonable and measured.

Rudy Giuliani lets a hot fart rip while spewing lies in insane Michigan testimony.

https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/statu ... 00960?s=20

brandonx76 wrote:Rudy Giuliani lets a hot fart rip while spewing lies in insane Michigan testimony.

https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/statu ... 00960?s=20

Well, this crazy lady probably gave him gas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdFQIGUg_Qc

Trump = shit show. Has been from day 1 and will be until the day his hairpiece dies.

"The United Arab Emirates on Monday hosted its first ever Orthodox Jewish wedding, staging a lavish event in Dubai."

Thank you President Trump!

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/BkpjsAXiD

"Morocco Joins List of Arab Nations to Begin Normalizing Relations With Israel."


Thank you President Trump!

And of course, as with most of Trump's histrionic claims, it appears the Hunter allegations were grounded in some truth. Remember, in the days leading up to the election, the Hunter story was suppressed or downplayed by big tech, dinosaur media, and apparently Trump’s own AG.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/politics ... index.html

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/11 ... n-results/

Its over...go to sleep...move on and move out...shame on you for wasting everyone's time you grifting turd.

brandonx76 wrote:https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/11/texas-lawsuit-supreme-court-election-results/

Its over...go to sleep...move on and move out...shame on you for wasting everyone's time you grifting turd.

You mad, bro?

brandonx76 wrote:https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/11/texas-lawsuit-supreme-court-election-results/

Its over...go to sleep...move on and move out...shame on you for wasting everyone's time you grifting turd.

It won't end until Biden is actually sworn in. The next thing is hoping for electors to not do what they are asked and vote for Trump instead of Biden.

Even after Biden is sworn in, he and his zombies will whine endlessly and start setting up another whine fest for 2024. That is the new Republican party...a bunch of Trump whiners.

brandonx76 wrote:https://www.texastribune.org/2020/12/11/texas-lawsuit-supreme-court-election-results/

Its over...go to sleep...move on and move out...shame on you for wasting everyone's time you grifting turd.

Yep. A stain on the underpants of history.

Monker wrote:That is the new Republican party...a bunch of Trump whiners.

They are.

But I can't see the value in still cupping his ballsack? He's a pathetic sore loser...why ride that train outta town?

Andrew wrote:

Monker wrote:That is the new Republican party...a bunch of Trump whiners.

They are.

But I can't see the value in still cupping his ballsack? He's a pathetic sore loser...why ride that train outta town?

I can not see what part of, he lost, they can not see. it's more than sad that a vast number of Trump supporters are feeding into his delusional lies like their life depends on it. It's like Donald Trump is a walking, talking, crooked, tabloid magazine and his supporters are addicted to his twisted stories. to tell you the truth, i found him lacking when he openly mocked his followers by calling them poorly educated at a freaking rally, and they cheered him on as he insulted them with a smirking smile on his face. The con man found his marks and used them to rip off Americans, and other countries around the world.

"Trump raises more than $170 million appealing on false election claims"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Keep in mind he's making a ton of cash doing all of this...its embarrassing to see him, his press secretary and Ghouliani, attempt to justify their continued positions...it's also quite dangerous to sow seeds of doubt among the voting base...Its a long good bye but eventually the turd will complete its circling of the drain...good riddance

brandonx76 wrote:"Trump raises more than $170 million appealing on false election claims"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

Keep in mind he's making a ton of cash doing all of this...its embarrassing to see him, his press secretary and Ghouliani, attempt to justify their continued positions...it's also quite dangerous to sow seeds of doubt among the voting base...Its a long good bye but eventually the turd will complete its circling of the drain...good riddance

True, much of his fund raising to contest the election went into paying his campaign debt and other things. The longer he could keep the con going, the longer he can keep collecting money from his zombies. This was never going to win in court. Trump lost after his ridiculous performance at the first debate.

I do not think he is going completely away though. I think he will continue to Tweet his conspiracy theories and manipulate voters until the day he dies. It is who he is. I also would not be surprised if he runs for President in 2024. It all depends on if he lives that long, and if he still has enough control over the Republican party.

Andrew wrote:

Monker wrote:That is the new Republican party...a bunch of Trump whiners.

They are.

But I can't see the value in still cupping his ballsack? He's a pathetic sore loser...why ride that train outta town?

Because he is still President and can do things like pardon the AG of Texas, or appoint people to various positions, or say positive things about them. People like Ted Cruz want to run for President so they are trying to appease Trump voters. It's all just politics...and common sense obliviously doesn't apply.

What I think would be hilarious is if Trump tries to start a third party. That would cause such a divide among conservatives that they would be out of power for years.

annpea wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Monker wrote:That is the new Republican party...a bunch of Trump whiners.

They are.

But I can't see the value in still cupping his ballsack? He's a pathetic sore loser...why ride that train outta town?

I can not see what part of, he lost, they can not see. it's more than sad that a vast number of Trump supporters are feeding into his delusional lies like their life depends on it. It's like Donald Trump is a walking, talking, crooked, tabloid magazine and his supporters are addicted to his twisted stories. to tell you the truth, i found him lacking when he openly mocked his followers by calling them poorly educated at a freaking rally, and they cheered him on as he insulted them with a smirking smile on his face. The con man found his marks and used them to rip off Americans, and other countries around the world.

Cult? Check. In terms of identifying MAGA as a cult, every box is ticked.

Perfect

https://twitter.com/ChristiaanVanV/stat ... 27552?s=20