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verslibre wrote:Oh, I did. And you're full of it. This is the last thing you wrote, on April 25:
verslibre wrote:^And I remember when you wrote that, anyway. Nothing since. Wanna post your thoughts on the film?
verslibre wrote:I swear, you got nothing. James broke in with the first Saw. That became a cult hit overnight.
verslibre wrote:And how about The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2? Look at their budgets, then look at what they brought in. Then look at their ratings. They were hits. But thanks for ignoring hard data even I after I provided the link.
verslibre wrote:You're hilarious. Your arguing really stinks, man. You pick his two oldest films, after Saw, the two which weren't hits, to prop up your bullshit. So why ignore everything from 2011-2016 minus Furious 7? Because that's the only billion dollar movie on his resume? Are you really like all the other self-deluded shills who think that ">1,000,000,000" is less than successful now? Your ass just wants to see DC fail, and you still fail to provide a concrete reason why beyond "Zak $$ux, dood!"
verslibre wrote:David Sandberg, Shazam! director, already laughed off silliness such as yours on Twitter. Somebody went "What if Shazam! bombs?" and he replied "Then I guess I'll go back to making horror movies." No attitude, no nothing. These guys are working their dream jobs, while cubicle farmers like you are mad-posting all day long to generate hatorade.
verslibre wrote:See how James Gunn just got fired? THAT is what a termination looks like. Headlines spared no expense. It's even been on TV news.
verslibre wrote:Why is Zack's office still located on the WB lot? I mentioned that to you previously. You ignored it then, and I'm sure you will now.
verslibre wrote:A) Why did James Wan and Zack Snyder have discussions re: Aquaman's thematic material? (Which I've posted.)
verslibre wrote:B) Why does Shazam! reference the events of MoS and BvS? I really doubt that was a requirement from the higher-ups.
verslibre wrote:To which there are simple answers, but your selectiveness prevents you from getting the full picture. That's your problem.
verslibre wrote:O RLY? Why does Zack deserve PR spin while Lord & Miller and Gunn do not? That makes no sense.
verslibre wrote:You really gotta stop dwelling on Journey. Your nostalgia is a crutch.
verslibre wrote:And then there's you, the jaded delusional egotist popping 5HR Energy all day long to keep up with me.
verslibre wrote:You can find him on Vero. One possible answer: he's not interested.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I said I was "pretty sure" that I posted my thoughts.
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I thought it was excellent.
The casino scene was very Bondian.
Some of the effects in the final train battle were a little dodgy.
I think it was critically overrated, but still a very satisfying and epic first movie.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I said "household name." Saw made money but it didn't make Wan an A-lister.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Many of his post-Saw movies bombed.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:And how about The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2? Look at their budgets, then look at what they brought in. Then look at their ratings. They were hits. But thanks for ignoring hard data even I after I provided the link.
Did I deny that The Conjuring series were hits?
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Wan is still not a household name on the level of Spielberg, Tarantino, or Scorsese.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I think you're severely out of touch with the real world.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:You're hilarious. Your arguing really stinks, man. You pick his two oldest films, after Saw, the two which weren't hits, to prop up your bullshit. So why ignore everything from 2011-2016 minus Furious 7? Because that's the only billion dollar movie on his resume? Are you really like all the other self-deluded shills who think that ">1,000,000,000" is less than successful now? Your ass just wants to see DC fail, and you still fail to provide a concrete reason why beyond "Zak $$ux, dood!"
My only point is, sometimes good films don't make money. Sometimes they do. The idea that anything Wan-related guarantees a surefire hit is as mistaken as thinking that Snyder (or anyone) is infallible. As is often said about Hollywood, "nobody knows anything." And you clearly know less than that.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:And again, this isn't about the respective careers of Wan, Snyder, or Shazam guy. It's about DC selling a bad product and running out of hail mary passes.
verslibre wrote:The casino scene sucked, too. But my biggest beef with that flick is how everyone, and I mean everyone, stole the show from C.B. in no small way. He was literally outshined by everyone from Letitia Wright to Danai Gurira to MBJ to Winston Duke. Maybe he was directed to be that wooden, but he should have had more personality. The movie's fight choreography outside those challenges wasn't too hot, either. By the end, you're convinced T'Challa was extremely lucky surviving another confrontation with E.K. But back to our regularly scheduled programming...
verslibre wrote:Nobody said that. But it made Wan a NAME right out of the gate. It had a good gimmick, good script, good acting, a good twist. It was genuinely suspenseful. It singlehandedly turned torture porn into a viable horror subgenre. Saw was made for a little over a million and it made 100 times that worldwide.
verslibre wrote:There you go again back to the next two movies he made, the ones between Saw and Insidious. Since 2010, he's been cranking out one hit after another. A fact's a fact.
verslibre wrote:"Many of his post-Saw movies bombed." Many doesn't mean "two."
verslibre wrote:Quote me where I said that. (And let's be real, QT is one overrated mofo; that fool is lucky as hell he's a household name.)
verslibre wrote:I think you're moving goalposts faster than you can saw lumber.
verslibre wrote:My only point is you've convinced yourself that every movie by DC short of a Wonder Woman episode is destined to fail miserably. But that's what you're praying for. You're one of the crazed ones who want a wholesale reboot of the entire franchise.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Not every firing becomes public. This is just silly.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:At this point, Snyder's office has most likely been relocated to the WB boiler room.....like Milton in Office Space.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:A) Why did James Wan and Zack Snyder have discussions re: Aquaman's thematic material? (Which I've posted.)
Post it again. I don't know what you're talking about. The discussions probably pre-dated Snyder getting sacked.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:B) Why does Shazam! reference the events of MoS and BvS? I really doubt that was a requirement from the higher-ups.
The first trailer didn't explicitly show any of these connections.
Just a shot of the batarang and a newspaper.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Come to think of it, Aquaman trailer also downplayed any connections of the Snyder dumpster fire cinematic universe (SDFCU for short).
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:O RLY? Why does Zack deserve PR spin while Lord & Miller and Gunn do not? That makes no sense.
Because WB/DC had alot riding on Snyder. They built their universe around his vision. To admit Snyder fucked up, would be to admit they fucked up.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Disney's handling of behind-the-scenes chaos (Trank, Trevorrow, Edwards etc.) is a totally different topic.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:*Snyder dumpster fire cinematic universe
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:And then there's you, the jaded delusional egotist popping 5HR Energy all day long to keep up with me.
If I wanted to keep up with your level, I would engage in self-inflicted head trauma.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:You can find him on Vero. One possible answer: he's not interested.
Yet Snyder is interested enough to engage in talk with Wan regarding Aquaman?
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I viewed Panther as a stoic and stately hero.
There was no need to gesticulate manically and overact (see Eisenberg as Lex Luthor).
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Since Snyder has committed career suicide you now want to go to battle and defend Wan.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I don't have any goal posts. I'm here to discuss movies. You are on a personal crusade because you are loser with no life.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The tone of Shazam and Aquaman is light, breezy and somewhat Marvelesque.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Within five years, DC execs will probably openly say that BvS was a piece of shit.
verslibre wrote:You went right into the bushes with that one.
This is the Digital Age. When the Second Unit Director gets axed, it's all but certain there's going to be mention of it somewhere, be it Deadline, THR, or your favorite outlet, Dork Horizons.
verslibre wrote:Again: Gunn. Fired. Reported. Lord & Miller. Fired. Reported. Snyder. Not fired, not reported that way — only speculation thereof. See the difference?
verslibre wrote:These guys are DIRECTORS. Your reasoning that "not every firing becomes public" when we're talking about directors is so silly, it makes me wonder if you hate-stapled your forehead with your red Swingline the first time you discovered Cracker Jack boxes no longer concealed toy prizes within.
verslibre wrote:Ha. Wow, what did Zack ever do to you? Did the cops tell you he showed up at your mom's, forcibly removed her dentures and made her suck him off to completion? I'd understand if you had something againt Bry*n S*ng*r, considering he's alleged to have played around with underage boys, but whatever. Your fantasies about Zack's career flatlining are something else.
verslibre wrote:Use the search function. I did. You can, too.
verslibre wrote:Towel me off. That was a GREAT rebuttal. Since you didn't notice a neon sign proclaiming "SET IN THE DCEU" in the trailer, the connections to which you refer are entirely superfluous.
verslibre wrote:Btw, there's going to be a TIME cover in the movie, which also got posted in the other thread. Just go back a few pages. And then Billy and Freddy are going to TALK about some Superman and Batman stuff. I hope that's enough for you in a movie about a different character.
verslibre wrote:Yeah, except for the two leads, Jason Momoa and Amber Heard, who Zack cast and who both previously appeared in Justice League.
verslibre wrote:There was nothing wrong with his vision till their greed overruled their previous directive. You're just siding with the suits.
verslibre wrote:Trank was Fox, not Disney. Fired; reported as fired.
Trevorrow got the boot because he had the balls to say he didn't like the script. Guess what? He was right. The Last Jedi's mostly crap. But again: fired, and reported as fired. Hard confirm.
verslibre wrote:Why do you hate him so much? Did he shove the business end of a hose up your garden gnome's ass and turn it on full-blast?
verslibre wrote:Whatever gets your blood flowing. Might be less harmful if you just roll up that issue of AARP and whack your sagging sack with it.
verslibre wrote:Why wouldn't he be, genius? JW: "Zack, can we knock out some Aquaman stuff?" ZS: "You know it."
Why the fuck would Zack not? Man, you're just weird.
verslibre wrote:Luthor's not stoic. He's a verbose bastard, the archetypal villain you're born to love to hate.
verslibre wrote:T'Challa didn't need to be that wooden. But you don't mind Downey playing Stark as a goofball, when he was anything but in the comics prior to 2008.
verslibre wrote:There is no battle. What there is is your rockslide of conjectural diarrhea. Wan's career speaks for itself. You're just not on the ball with respect to his accomplishments.
verslibre wrote: Your life = looking forward to my next reply.
verslibre wrote:Aquaman is "light" and "breezy"? Sure you're not talking about the two Ant-Man movies?
verslibre wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:Within five years, DC execs will probably openly say that BvS was a piece of shit.verslibre wrote:Or they'll say it was ahead of its time, like Watchmen.
https://batman-news.com/2018/04/06/jeffrey-dean-morgan-thinks-watchmen-was-ahead-of-its-time-video/
YoungJRNYfan wrote:Geoff Johns Talks Superman & Offers Update On ‘Man Of Steel 2’
https://heroichollywood.com/geoff-johns ... -of-steel/
Video:
https://youtu.be/qWzqDzyOhcg
Seven Wishes wrote:"Abysmal? He's the most proactive President since Clinton, and he's bringing much-needed change for the better to a nation that has been tyrannized by the worst President since Hoover."- 7 Wishes on Pres. Obama
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:You went right into the bushes with that one.
This is the Digital Age. When the Second Unit Director gets axed, it's all but certain there's going to be mention of it somewhere, be it Deadline, THR, or your favorite outlet, Dork Horizons.
Snyder's firing was reported by Collider and others. You just repeat DC press release spin and assume its factual reporting.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:Again: Gunn. Fired. Reported. Lord & Miller. Fired. Reported. Snyder. Not fired, not reported that way — only speculation thereof. See the difference?
Disney's spate of Star Wars -related firings have been public. But that is not the industry norm at all. Was Josh Trank's firing from Fantastic Four made public by Fox? The answer is no.
According to sources, Trank was sometimes indecisive and uncommunicative. Producers Simon Kinberg and Hutch Parker had to step in to help pull the film together, though sources stress that Trank was still on set and directing the film. (Were that not the case, the production could have run afoul of the Directors Guild of America.)
Just over three months from opening, Fox’s Fantastic Four has done re-shoots. Those were complicated because stars Miles Teller, Kate Mara and Michael B. Jordan had obligations on other films. The most recent round, which involved three days of re-shoots at the end of April, had to take place on weekends because of Teller’s work on Todd Phillip’s Arms and the Dude. Parker and Kinberg are said to have been heavily involved in those re-shoots, pulling them away from duties in Canada on X-Men: Apocalypse, which they also are producing.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:How about when Richard Stanley got fired from Dr. Moreau? How about Spielberg directing Poltergeist when Hooper was credited? All of this stuff trickled out after the fact. And that is exactly the case with Snyder.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:These guys are DIRECTORS. Your reasoning that "not every firing becomes public" when we're talking about directors is so silly, it makes me wonder if you hate-stapled your forehead with your red Swingline the first time you discovered Cracker Jack boxes no longer concealed toy prizes within.
Behind-the-scenes turbulence is not made immediately public by the studios. If that was the case, Hollywood's army of spin doctors would be unemployed.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:The only person drinking Snyder’s nut custard straight from the tap is you.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:Use the search function. I did. You can, too.
Don't care enough. I'm just a movie fan. None of this means anything to me.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:Towel me off. That was a GREAT rebuttal. Since you didn't notice a neon sign proclaiming "SET IN THE DCEU" in the trailer, the connections to which you refer are entirely superfluous.
If DC/WB were proud of the preceding Snyder films, they would be mentioned in the trailer.
We would see big bold text stating something along the lines of "From the same studio that brought you Batman vs Superman and Justice League."
Not a two second shot of a batarang.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:Btw, there's going to be a TIME cover in the movie, which also got posted in the other thread. Just go back a few pages. And then Billy and Freddy are going to TALK about some Superman and Batman stuff. I hope that's enough for you in a movie about a different character.
A batarang and a time cover.......so essentially background props. By that standard, Evil Dead 2 is an Elm Street film. I mean, hey, Freddy’s glove is seen in the cellar.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:Yeah, except for the two leads, Jason Momoa and Amber Heard, who Zack cast and who both previously appeared in Justice League.
If the studio could digitally erase them (like Kevin Spacey in "All the Money in the World") I'm sure they would.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:There was nothing wrong with his vision till their greed overruled their previous directive. You're just siding with the suits.
Yes I am. While I respect Snyder's visual aesthetic, I think MOS and BvS have alot of problems. Justice League, while a campy Schumacher-esque clusterfuck, was infintely more entertaining.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Ok. Great. Are we done? This is boring.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Not how a major Hollywood production works AT ALL. Maybe someday you'll grow up.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Also, Watchmen was boring.
RedWingFan wrote:Apparently not because it's been 5 years of nothing, and there's still "no movement on the project"
I think Perry releases his solo CD before MOS2 gets released.
RedWingFan wrote:YoungJRNYfan wrote:Geoff Johns Talks Superman & Offers Update On ‘Man Of Steel 2’
https://heroichollywood.com/geoff-johns ... -of-steel/
Video:
https://youtu.be/qWzqDzyOhcg
"Everyone at WB loves Superman and wants to see a direct sequel..."
Apparently not because it's been 5 years of nothing, and there's still "no movement on the project"
I think Perry releases his solo CD before MOS2 gets released.
verslibre wrote:Wasn't it, like, very recently when I mentioned what the blogzines'/rags' headlines read like? "Was Snyder Fired?"
verslibre wrote:They released the "finished" movie, that being JL, as is. They wanted their year-end bonuses. They didn't want to delay the film to work on it. Get it together because I'm done repeating myself.
verslibre wrote:Yeah...it was. You missed it. It was the Topic of the Week on every comics-related forum.
verslibre wrote:Pre-Blog Age, dude.
verslibre wrote:A generalization. Some of the scoopers no doubt have ironclad sources deep within. Some "predictions" are just scoops without being promoted as such.
verslibre wrote:Yet you continue to reply.
verslibre wrote:Yeah, there should be fanfare, maybe ELP's rendition of "...Common Man." The DC logo and animated opening isn't enough.
verslibre wrote:We need ginormous type obscuring a split-screen image of Gotham and Metropolis proclaiming "WE"RE FUCKING DC, ASSHOLES!" Followed by the iconic sequence where Batman mows down the goons in BvS.
verslibre wrote:That's just you talking out of your ass.
verslibre wrote:"Infinitely more entertaining." Definitely talking out of your ass.
verslibre wrote:It's done when you're done, dude. Are you done?
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:Wasn't it, like, very recently when I mentioned what the blogzines'/rags' headlines read like? "Was Snyder Fired?"
No clue. You don't have any credibility on anything DCEU-related so I really don't pay much attention to what you say on here.
The articles I read have no such question marks.
Ex. "Report: Zack Snyder was fired from Justice League (update)"
http://collider.com/zack-snyder-fired-f ... ce-league/
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Not really. I don't think audiences warmed to Momoa's biker portal of Aquaman at all. Knowing what they know now, I don't think WB would have greenlighted the movie.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:You just want me to go so you and YoungJrny can resume your micropeen frotfest.
Abitaman wrote:Am I in the Styx forum?
verslibre wrote:Yet again you prove you don't when to say when. What was one of the keywords I threw at you? "Reportedly." Which word is in the headline of that Collider article?
verslibre wrote:We've all seen that one already. Some guy "who's leaving the industry" decides to say stuff, citing the excuse he's in "DGAF mode." If that's really the case, why even bother? "Here's a hot one for ya." Sounds like a guy who wants attention. Still no hard confirm, sorry.
verslibre wrote:And as far as credibility goes, remember yours falls under the header "rockslide of conjectural diarrhea."
verslibre wrote:That's you being presumptuous. You have no idea what's going on over there. Wan was offered this character or another, and he chose Aquaman because he's never been adapted for the screen before. He wanted as much room on the proverbial canvas as possible, free of pretense.
verslibre wrote:WB never had to greenlight a movie about Aquaman in the first place. They could play it safe and do movies about Batman, Nightwing, the Red Hood, Joker, Birds of Prey, Batgirl/Batwoman, and other characters/stories of that milieu. Maybe a World's Finest-themed film after that. And still make Wonder Woman and Superman movies, too.
verslibre wrote:Nobody is asking you to leave. But that's some interesting terminology there. Why don't you, uh, go ahead and tell everyone what "frot" means, since you're the Dockmaster General.
"If WB doesn't give him creative control, a producer credential and back end, he has other options and may walk. Henry has a story for the next Superman movie and wants Christopher McQuarrie to direct."
verslibre wrote:^Summary of the above post:
I. Can't provide link to article sans headline with keyword(s) reportedly or [rumor];
verslibre wrote:II. Asked for "hard confirm" when it was already stated Kinberg/Hutch finished the movie for Trank and the studio left on the latter's credit — also resulted in his preemptive dismissal from subsequent direction of a Star Wars film;
verslibre wrote:
IV. Dodges explanation of "frotting" because it will reveal workday activities on Spankwire and other sites.
YoungJRNYfan wrote:Regarding Cavill's contract as Superman with WB:"If WB doesn't give him creative control, a producer credential and back end, he has other options and may walk. Henry has a story for the next Superman movie and wants Christopher McQuarrie to direct."
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