The 2008 US Presidential Election Thread

[conversationpc]

Where are all the libs that were so concerned about stolen elections when there was absolutely no evidence of it. The evidence is spewing from every corner of the nation now.

The evidence of the supposed "stolen" election in Ohio in 2004 is far less than we have already this year.

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Republican Presidents have presided over 8 of the 9 economic recessions in the past 50 years...and the last catastrophic economic event prior to that was the Great Depression, which was also caused by Republicans. In only 2 of those 8 recessions were Democrats in charge of the House and/or Congress. So...you do the math.

Oh, and this just in, Lie Finder. McCain's popularity is diminishing by the minute; undecided voters are leaning towards Obama by a 2 to 1 ratio.

http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-souring-on-mccain

And Obama has a 6.9 percent lead in the COMPOSITE poll - that is, the one that takes ALL the major polls into account...

http://news.yahoo.com/election/2008/dashboard

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1. Obama For America did contract with a political consulting group called Citizens' Services, Inc. for Get Out The Vote work in early 2008 for over $800,000. A small amount of this money was subcontracted to ACORN for recruitment and training of canvassers. McCain's campaign has ALSO CONTRIBUTED to GOTV.

2. In 1992, Obama ran a successful voter registration drive in Chicago for Project Vote which helped 150,000 people register to vote. At that time, Project Vote had no more connection to ACORN than it did with dozens of other national and local organizations with which it partnered on local registration drives. In 1994, over a year after Obama left Project Vote, ACORN and Project Vote began working much more closely together.

3. Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.

4. Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

Keep it up, 'Pubs. It just makes you look more stupid and desperate.

[conversationpc]

Republican Presidents have presided over 8 of the 9 economic recessions in the past 50 years...and the last catastrophic economic event prior to that was the Great Depression, which was also caused by Republicans. In only 2 of those 8 recessions were Democrats in charge of the House and/or Congress. So...you do the math.

OK...Here's the math...(I don't find 9 recessions in 50 years but here goes)...Presidents listed are those in office as of the beginning of the recession/depression.

1907 to 1908 = Republican President (Theodore Roosevelt), Republican-controlled Congress
1918 to 1921 = Democratic President (Woodrow Wilson), Democratic-controlled Congress
1929 to 1939 = Republican President (Herbert Hoover), Republican-controlled Congress
1953 to 1954 = Republican President (Dwight D. Eisenhower), Republican-controlled Senate, Democrat-controlled House
1957 to 1958 = Republican President (Dwight D. Eisenhower), Democratic-controlled Congress
1973 to 1975 = Republican President (Richard Nixon), Democratic-controlled Congress
1980 to 1982 = Democratic President (Jimmy Carter), Democratic-controlled Congress
1990 to 1991 = Republican President (George H.W. Bush), Democratic-controlled Congress
2001 to 2003 = Republican President (George W. Bush), Republican-controlled Congress

So, in 9 recessions, that's...
2 Democratic Presidents and 7 Republicans.
5 Democratic-controlled Congresses, 3 Republican-controlled Congresses, and one split

If you do go over the last 50 years only, that's 4-1 Republican to Democrat Presidents and 4-1 Democrat to Republican control of Congress.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovern ... sion_2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Pr ... ted_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... f_congress

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1. Obama For America did contract with a political consulting group called Citizens' Services, Inc. for Get Out The Vote work in early 2008 for over $800,000. A small amount of this money was subcontracted to ACORN for recruitment and training of canvassers. McCain's campaign has ALSO CONTRIBUTED to GOTV.

2. In 1992, Obama ran a successful voter registration drive in Chicago for Project Vote which helped 150,000 people register to vote. At that time, Project Vote had no more connection to ACORN than it did with dozens of other national and local organizations with which it partnered on local registration drives. In 1994, over a year after Obama left Project Vote, ACORN and Project Vote began working much more closely together.

3. Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.

4. Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

Keep it up, 'Pubs. It just makes you look more stupid and desperate.

Do you have links to these quotes? Looks like they are direct lifts from some pages I found.

[RossValoryRocks]

Now the fucking media has dug up 8 yeard old traffic tickets of Joe the Plumbers from 2000 in Arizona. Good lord!

Let's see who else will be brave enough to stand up to Obama and ask him an unfriendly question.

I'm 99% confident the next person who does that will be someone who has actually paid their taxes. A Joe the plumber moment isn't going to happen again.

Like Barney Frank??? Who owed 8 times as much in back taxes?

[RossValoryRocks]

1. Obama For America did contract with a political consulting group called Citizens' Services, Inc. for Get Out The Vote work in early 2008 for over $800,000. A small amount of this money was subcontracted to ACORN for recruitment and training of canvassers. McCain's campaign has ALSO CONTRIBUTED to GOTV.

2. In 1992, Obama ran a successful voter registration drive in Chicago for Project Vote which helped 150,000 people register to vote. At that time, Project Vote had no more connection to ACORN than it did with dozens of other national and local organizations with which it partnered on local registration drives. In 1994, over a year after Obama left Project Vote, ACORN and Project Vote began working much more closely together.

3. Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.

4. Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

Keep it up, 'Pubs. It just makes you look more stupid and desperate.

7 is the Plagerist in Chief! Just kididing 7...

Do you have links to these quotes? Looks like they are direct lifts from some pages I found.

[RossValoryRocks]

1. Obama For America did contract with a political consulting group called Citizens' Services, Inc. for Get Out The Vote work in early 2008 for over $800,000. A small amount of this money was subcontracted to ACORN for recruitment and training of canvassers. McCain's campaign has ALSO CONTRIBUTED to GOTV.

2. In 1992, Obama ran a successful voter registration drive in Chicago for Project Vote which helped 150,000 people register to vote. At that time, Project Vote had no more connection to ACORN than it did with dozens of other national and local organizations with which it partnered on local registration drives. In 1994, over a year after Obama left Project Vote, ACORN and Project Vote began working much more closely together.

3. Voter fraud by individuals is extremely rare, and incredibly difficult. There has never been a single proven case of anyone, anywhere, casting an illegal vote as a result of a phony voter registration. Even if someone wanted to influence the election this way, it would not work.

4. Similar accusations were made, and attacks launched, against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. These attacks were not only groundless, they have since been exposed as part of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal and revealed to be part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression.

Keep it up, 'Pubs. It just makes you look more stupid and desperate.

Do you have links to these quotes? Looks like they are direct lifts from some pages I found.

7 is the Plagerist in Chief! Just kididing 7...

[conversationpc]

Now the fucking media has dug up 8 yeard old traffic tickets of Joe the Plumbers from 2000 in Arizona. Good lord!

Let's see who else will be brave enough to stand up to Obama and ask him an unfriendly question.

I'm 99% confident the next person who does that will be someone who has actually paid their taxes. A Joe the plumber moment isn't going to happen again.

Like Barney Frank??? Who owed 8 times as much in back taxes?

At least it actually looks like Joe the Plumber IS actually a plumber despite the Obama campaign's lie that he was not because he is not a licensed plumber. I also heard Obama joking that Joe the Plumber was making $250,000 and who has ever heard of a plumber making that much money? First of all, that's typical Dem class warfare and condescension. Secondly, I don't believe the guy ever claimed to make that much money every year but that the business would probably make $250,000 a year and he would fall under Obama's tax increase. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[conversationpc]

7 is the Plagerist in Chief! Just kididing 7...

Yeah, I'm not claiming he's plagiarizing but there should be a link if they are direct lifts from a web page.

[RossValoryRocks]

Now the fucking media has dug up 8 yeard old traffic tickets of Joe the Plumbers from 2000 in Arizona. Good lord!

Let's see who else will be brave enough to stand up to Obama and ask him an unfriendly question.

I'm 99% confident the next person who does that will be someone who has actually paid their taxes. A Joe the plumber moment isn't going to happen again.

Like Barney Frank??? Who owed 8 times as much in back taxes?

At least it actually looks like Joe the Plumber IS actually a plumber despite the Obama campaign's lie that he was not because he is not a licensed plumber. I also heard Obama joking that Joe the Plumber was making $250,000 and who has ever heard of a plumber making that much money? First of all, that's typical Dem class warfare and condescension. Secondly, I don't believe the guy ever claimed to make that much money every year but that the business would probably make $250,000 a year and he would fall under Obama's tax increase. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You aren't wrong...but you can bet your bottom dollar (if you have one after Obama gets done with the economy) you will be corrected...

[RossValoryRocks]

7 is the Plagiarist in Chief! Just kididing 7...

Yeah, I'm not claiming he's plagiarizing but there should be a link if they are direct lifts from a web page.

The big problem is always spell plagiarism and its derivatives wrong...

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7 is the Plagerist in Chief! Just kididing 7...

I've never once claimed ownership of something I didn't write, except when I told some floozy groupie that I'd written "Stairway to Heaven" with Page while smoking some hash at his mansion...that worked, though.

Alright, though. I will start providing links.

Anyway, the only issue I see as legitimate is Wright, and it bothers me more every day. He listened to this guy for 20 years, and then suddenly disavows him? Not good.

Of course, when McCain was running against Cleveland, he did attend some of those segregationist town hall meetings, but that's ancient history.

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7 is the Plagerist in Chief! Just kididing 7...

I've never once claimed ownership of something I didn't write, except when I told some floozy groupie that I'd written "Stairway to Heaven" with Page while smoking some hash at his mansion...that worked, though.

Did you cast Satanic spells and summon the spirit of Aleister Crowley also? If you did, watch out, because good ol' Aleister liked to give AND receive.

[RossValoryRocks]

7 is the Plagerist in Chief! Just kididing 7...

I've never once claimed ownership of something I didn't write, except when I told some floozy groupie that I'd written "Stairway to Heaven" with Page while smoking some hash at his mansion...that worked, though.

Hehehe...ahhh...our younger years!

But that is TWICE you have been caught in this thread you know! LOL It's all good...I suspect you are just trying to make a point...even if it is the wrong point!

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Alright, now I need some information.

Stone Cold and Stunning Steve are the same guy, right? Or were there just two guys named Steve Austin?

[RossValoryRocks]

Alright, now I need some information.

Stone Cold and Stunning Steve are the same guy, right? Or were there just two guys named Steve Austin?

Dunno...I don't follow wrestling...someone made the avatar for me and I thought it was funny!

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Did you cast Satanic spells and summon the spirit of Aleister Crowley also? If you did, watch out, because good ol' Aleister liked to give AND receive.

Heh heh. I'm a giver, but no tossed salads for me, thank you very much.

[conversationpc]

Alright, now I need some information.

Stone Cold and Stunning Steve are the same guy, right? Or were there just two guys named Steve Austin?

I'm not big on "Professional" wrestling but I do believe they are the same guy.

[conversationpc]

Hey 7...How 'bout the Sox coming from behind the other night? I didn't catch the game but figured they had it lost, though before I went to bed, I was thinking "Wouldn't it be cool if the Sox dropped an 8-spot in the 9th?". I wasn't far off.

Seriously, though, it'll be tough for them to win 2 more against the Rays.

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I thought the story lines were much more original back in the 80's. I haven't watched it in years, but I miss characters like Rick Rude, Barry Horowitz, Randy Rhodes, and the Genius.

Now it's just a bunch of 'roid freaks with some admittedly very, very hot and toned women wearing little or nothing.

[Angel]

They are the same.

But who cares? I only watch for John Cena.

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Seriously, though, it'll be tough for them to win 2 more against the Rays.

Whichever teams wins Game 6 will play the Phillies. It doesn't look good - Beckett has been awful - but you never know. Just don't turn off the TV until the last pitch has been thrown.

BTW - Papelbon has now thrown 25 innings in the post-season without allowing an earned run. The guy is an animal.

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BTW - Papelbon has now thrown 25 innings in the post-season without allowing an earned run. The guy is an animal.

That guy is the epitome of intensity on the field. It's hard to believe that he's the same, loose guy off the field.

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Obama called Cena a "Tool-smoking Rear Admiral for His Majesty's Secret Backdoor Service".

[Don]

Seriously, though, it'll be tough for them to win 2 more against the Rays.

Whichever teams wins Game 6 will play the Phillies. It doesn't look good - Beckett has been awful - but you never know. Just don't turn off the TV until the last pitch has been thrown.

BTW - Papelbon has now thrown 25 innings in the post-season without allowing an earned run. The guy is an animal.

Is Papelbon going to close tomorrow if they need him? He threw quite a few pitches last night.

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I think they'd sooner have him pitch left-handed than bring in Timlin, who should only be allowed near the pitcher's mound if he's got a rake in his hand and he's wearing overalls.

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I think they'd sooner have him pitch left-handed than bring in Timlin, who should only be allowed near the pitcher's mound if he's got a rake in his hand and he's wearing overalls.

He's pitching better than Delcarmen at this point but both have been pretty dreadful.

[Angel]

Obama called Cena a "Tool-smoking Rear Admiral for His Majesty's Secret Backdoor Service".

I just call him smokin'!!!

[Don]

On the flipside of the coin, it was a good thing Madden saved Shields for tonight's game. If he had pitched last night, the bullpen would have wasted his effort and they wouldn't have anyone strong to go with for this game.