Jeff Scott Soto Will Sing Joe Elliot Into the Ground!!!!!!!

[Rockinreggie]

Def Leppard was something back in the day! But after having seen them recently Joe Elliot doesn't have much left. He never was a great singer but JSS has always been a true singing fool. I hope people aren't expecting too much from Joe especially after having to follow JSS!

[defbezerk]

Def Leppard is the better band...Joe Elliot's voice is just fine

[Milos]

Def Leppard was something back in the day! But after having seen them recently Joe Elliot doesn't have much left. He never was a great singer but JSS has always been a true singing fool. I hope people aren't expecting too much from Joe especially after having to follow JSS!

Generally speaking, it wouldn't be that hard for any singer with professional training to sing Joe Elliot into the ground on non-Def Leppard material. But, Joe's voice fits the Def Leppard sound perfectly. It has a certain unique character to it that sounds good for that kind of material.

Joe has never sounded "great" live. Part of the reason for this is his constant smoking habit and not taking care of himself. I've seen every major album tour with them since Hysteria (except the one with Bryan Adams last year) and to me he doesn't sound any better or worse than he always has. Joe just sounds like Joe and that translates into "rough" for the most part.

Now, he is a little more sluggish on stage than he used to be. He doesn't have the energy he used to (fat and slow comes to mind). JSS is definitely fun to watch, but Joe Elliot still gives off a pretty cool vibe when he hits the stage every night.

[SavageHysteria]

Def Leppard was something back in the day! But after having seen them recently Joe Elliot doesn't have much left. He never was a great singer but JSS has always been a true singing fool. I hope people aren't expecting too much from Joe especially after having to follow JSS!

Grow Up.

[momto2]

Def Leppard was something back in the day! But after having seen them recently Joe Elliot doesn't have much left. He never was a great singer but JSS has always been a true singing fool. I hope people aren't expecting too much from Joe especially after having to follow JSS!

Oh please Def Leppard hasn't had any problems so far, following a cover band of a cover band.

[Glenn]

Def Leppard was something back in the day! But after having seen them recently Joe Elliot doesn't have much left. He never was a great singer but JSS has always been a true singing fool. I hope people aren't expecting too much from Joe especially after having to follow JSS!

Oh please Def Leppard hasn't had any problems so far, following a cover band of a cover band.

But didn't they just put out a "covers" cd ?

LOL

[I Am Canadian]

Yes the Lepps did just put out a cover cd which had a few memorable covers.....Waterloo Sunset, 20th Century Boy and and 10538 Overture highlight the disc......Rumour has it the Lepps will add Waterloo Sunset to the setlist live when they resume touring in a week. Joe's vocals on "Waterloo" sound superb on disc, maybe his best ever in my opinion.... I just wonder if he can do the song justice live....a challenge to be sure....

[SavageHysteria]

Def Leppard was something back in the day! But after having seen them recently Joe Elliot doesn't have much left. He never was a great singer but JSS has always been a true singing fool. I hope people aren't expecting too much from Joe especially after having to follow JSS!

Oh please Def Leppard hasn't had any problems so far, following a cover band of a cover band.

But didn't they just put out a "covers" cd ?

LOL

She was referring to Journey. The fact that the MAJORITY of the crowd is there to see Def Leppard shows.. everytime. And it's blatantly said on the Journey website forum. There's NO comparison.

[jrnyman28]

And it's blatantly said on the Journey website forum. There's NO comparison.

No it's not!

[DerriD]

Def Leppard was something back in the day! But after having seen them recently Joe Elliot doesn't have much left. He never was a great singer but JSS has always been a true singing fool. I hope people aren't expecting too much from Joe especially after having to follow JSS!

Oh please Def Leppard hasn't had any problems so far, following a cover band of a cover band.

But didn't they just put out a "covers" cd ?

LOL

She was referring to Journey. The fact that the MAJORITY of the crowd is there to see Def Leppard shows.. everytime. And it's blatantly said on the Journey website forum. There's NO comparison.

Let me just say this...I saw the tour stop in Charlotte within a week of Jeff Scott Soto taking over lead vocals. Jeff did a fine job...much better than I expected. Joe in the last few times I saw him on TV live (Video game awards and VH1 Metal Honors) sounded horrible. Joe thankfully sounded much better in concert. Overall I would say that Jeff is the better singer at this moment. However Joe sounds more like the Joe 'from the day' than Jeff sounds like Steve Perry. I can only speak for the Charlotte show, but judging by T-Shirt sales, Def Leppard was far from the most popular band. I don't have a dog in this fight...I have two. I love both bands. Just reporting the facts. I did however enjoy the Leppard show better. Take that for what it's worth, but don't undersell Journey. The two together draw a MUCH bigger crowd than the sum of the two touring alone.

[Taliwakker]

Jeff Scott Soto Will Sing Joe Elliot Into the Ground

I'd file this under 'No Shit,Sherlock'

[SavageHysteria]

Jeff Scott Soto Will Sing Joe Elliot Into the Ground

I'd file this under 'No Shit,Sherlock'

And I'd file that under the sorry ass idiodic troll section.
If you want to praise JSS do it on JOURNEY'S forum, not start shit on Lep's forum. Seriously, fuck off!

[jrnyman28]

I just posted a review of Red Rocks and I do speak of DL as well. From my experience. the DL fans do not "care" so much about Joe's vocals. There is not a high expectation for his live vocals. JSS DID sound better than Joe (when I could hear them).

[LadySlang9]

I just posted a review of Red Rocks and I do speak of DL as well. From my experience. the DL fans do not "care" so much about Joe's vocals. There is not a high expectation for his live vocals. JSS DID sound better than Joe (when I could hear them).

I respectfully disagree. I was drawn to Def Leppard long before I ever saw this band live -- simply by the quality of Joe Elliott's vocals.

The man's voice is not what anyone would call classic or classically trained, but it is compelling and the primary reason I listen to Def Leppard's music. Elliott's voice has a sound that touches souls.

Sure, there are better singers out there. People who can sing well are easy to find. I would even venture to say that half of the people I know who sing in the shower can sing better than Joe Elliott.

But no one else I've ever heard has the same "soul" in their voice that Joe Elliott does.

Tune into your television one night and listen to those wanna be rock stars (country stars) sing. Many have excellent voices. I haven't yet heard one that has a unique voice -- a compelling voice -- a voice that speaks to the soul.

Joe Elliott's voice is different, I'll grant that. But it is in that difference that I find music that has become the soundtrack for my life.

When the song is "right" for Joe Elliott -- there is no one out there who can compare to his sound for me.

The singers who have fronted for Journey over the years all have had excellent voices. Steve Perry could sing "rings around most humans" when it comes to pitch, technique, etc. - but what good is the singer when his voice rouses no emotion - when his sound leaves you cold?

I'll take Joe Elliott's voice over any other's. Period.

[KittyKat]

Compelled by Ladyslang's description let me put it this way; I wouldn't say JE is a better singer than Robert Plant but I don't like RP's voice. However, I do like JE's (a lot) and the LZ covers I've heard him do. Then there's David Bowie who I love and wouldn't say JE is a better singer than him of course ever but I love to hear JE do his songs.

[Taliwakker]

savagehysteria wrote

And I'd file that under the sorry ass idiodic troll section.
If you want to praise JSS do it on JOURNEY'S forum, not start shit on Lep's forum. Seriously, fuck off!

How about you fuck off 6 posts.....i think Journey are pretty gay actually but Soto is a great singer...better than Joe. If i had to pick which band i preffered i'd say Def Leppard....even though individually most members of Journey are better musicians than the Lep guys.
I try not to let blind fanboism cloud my judgement.

[defbezerk]

better musicians than Def Leppard heard it all

[Taliwakker]

Well...Neal Schon is better than Phil Collen and Campbell hasn't played anything great since Dio.

JSS>Joe Elliott

Dean Castranovo vs Rick Allen Deen is a monster and would out drum Rick with one arm tied behind his back

Sav is probably the only winner here.

[I Am Canadian]

Don't kid yourself Phil Collen is a great guitarist....and defintely underrated........Phil has stepped up to the plate and delivered......he doesn't get enough credit in my view....I've listened to the Cybernauts project and Man Raze...this guy's got huge talent...he's a technician...I really hope their next cd Phil is allowed to showcase more of his great talent...!

[jrnyman28]

LadySlang, my point was that when going to a Def Leppard concert, I get the impression that the fans are not that concerned about how good or bad Joe sings. It is more about the "show" and the vibe. And that is fine. Joe worked the stage well, interacted with the audience, gave support to Journey and specifically Deen. There was nothing wrong with him being in front of the band...and it appears the fans are attracted to that.

But Journey is a different animal. They have always been about the vocals because they had Perry singing. Then came Steve who did a great job for quite a while. Now they have JSS who is very different, but extremely talented.

I meant no disrespect toward Joe (although I do have issues with how he handled the "YEAH!" comments from Andrew). But when you are talking specifically about singing in concert last night at Red Rocks...JSS was the better singer. No question.

As for Phil Collen, yes he is a good guitarist and underrated. But he is nowhere near Neal's level. (And I personally think Neal is a prick). Like Talliwakker said...except maybe in the Bass area, Journey is a far superior "band" of musicians. However, none of that matters in ROCK MUSIC. It is all about what grabs you...if that is Def Leppard GREAT!

[LadySlang9]

LadySlang, my point was that when going to a Def Leppard concert, I get the impression that the fans are not that concerned about how good or bad Joe sings. It is more about the "show" and the vibe. And that is fine. Joe worked the stage well, interacted with the audience, gave support to Journey and specifically Deen. There was nothing wrong with him being in front of the band...and it appears the fans are attracted to that.

But Journey is a different animal. They have always been about the vocals because they had Perry singing. Then came Steve who did a great job for quite a while. Now they have JSS who is very different, but extremely talented.

You've made a good point here. I think that for maybe 90% of the audience at any of the DL/Journey shows that the audience is there for the "show and the vibe" -- from both bands.

At Dallas I even had a conversation with a couple at the ILAA event where they expressed total surprise that Perry was no longer fronting Journey. They were DL fans and while they enjoyed Journey, they had never heard of JSS or Steve A., never heard a word about "tapegate" and couldn't name any members of Journey other than Steve P.

For this couple, Journey began and ended with Steve P and the band's hits during that era. They had no idea there was a Journey before Steve P.

(On a side note, it is interesting how many people didn't know that Journey existed before Steve P. or that Styx existed before Tommy Shaw. Totally amazing.)

I think it is that way for right at 90% of the audience -- at any show for any band.

For these guys, they aren't noticing that JTE might be having an off night -- or that JSS has replaced Steve A. -- or that Journey's drummer sings some of the songs. If they are hearing the hits and the stage show is entertaining -- all is good.

I meant no disrespect toward Joe (although I do have issues with how he handled the "YEAH!" comments from Andrew). But when you are talking specifically about singing in concert last night at Red Rocks...JSS was the better singer. No question.

JTE usuallys handles PR things poorly. PR is not his strong suite. I agree that his treatment of Andrew and others over the YEAH leak was less than admirable. Heck, he even took some of us fans to task at a concert in Vegas last November because of the leak. It's just part of his personality. Luckily, I'm drawn to the band because of their sound -- not their personalities.

As for the better singer issue. I don't disagree that the singers who have fronted Journey over the years are technically better singers than JTE. They are technically better than many, many frontmen for many different bands.

But, technically better doesn't translate into more desireable for everyone.

As for Phil Collen, yes he is a good guitarist and underrated. But he is nowhere near Neal's level. (And I personally think Neal is a prick). Like Talliwakker said...except maybe in the Bass area, Journey is a far superior "band" of musicians.

I'll respectfully disagree here. I will always think Phil is the better guitarist, but then, I don't really claim to be unbaised.

However, none of that matters in ROCK MUSIC. It is all about what grabs you...if that is Def Leppard GREAT!

The most intelligent thought I've read on any post.

[KCfla]

LadySlang, my point was that when going to a Def Leppard concert, I get the impression that the fans are not that concerned about how good or bad Joe sings. It is more about the "show" and the vibe. And that is fine. Joe worked the stage well, interacted with the audience, gave support to Journey and specifically Deen. There was nothing wrong with him being in front of the band...and it appears the fans are attracted to that.

But Journey is a different animal. They have always been about the vocals because they had Perry singing. Then came Steve who did a great job for quite a while. Now they have JSS who is very different, but extremely talented.

You've made a good point here. I think that for maybe 90% of the audience at any of the DL/Journey shows that the audience is there for the "show and the vibe" -- from both bands.

At Dallas I even had a conversation with a couple at the ILAA event where they expressed total surprise that Perry was no longer fronting Journey. They were DL fans and while they enjoyed Journey, they had never heard of JSS or Steve A., never heard a word about "tapegate" and couldn't name any members of Journey other than Steve P.

For this couple, Journey began and ended with Steve P and the band's hits during that era. They had no idea there was a Journey before Steve P.

(On a side note, it is interesting how many people didn't know that Journey existed before Steve P. or that Styx existed before Tommy Shaw. Totally amazing.)

I think it is that way for right at 90% of the audience -- at any show for any band.

For these guys, they aren't noticing that JTE might be having an off night -- or that JSS has replaced Steve A. -- or that Journey's drummer sings some of the songs. If they are hearing the hits and the stage show is entertaining -- all is good.

I meant no disrespect toward Joe (although I do have issues with how he handled the "YEAH!" comments from Andrew). But when you are talking specifically about singing in concert last night at Red Rocks...JSS was the better singer. No question.

JTE usuallys handles PR things poorly. PR is not his strong suite. I agree that his treatment of Andrew and others over the YEAH leak was less than admirable. Heck, he even took some of us fans to task at a concert in Vegas last November because of the leak. It's just part of his personality. Luckily, I'm drawn to the band because of their sound -- not their personalities.

As for the better singer issue. I don't disagree that the singers who have fronted Journey over the years are technically better singers than JTE. They are technically better than many, many frontmen for many different bands.

But, technically better doesn't translate into more desireable for everyone.

As for Phil Collen, yes he is a good guitarist and underrated. But he is nowhere near Neal's level. (And I personally think Neal is a prick). Like Talliwakker said...except maybe in the Bass area, Journey is a far superior "band" of musicians.

I'll respectfully disagree here. I will always think Phil is the better guitarist, but then, I don't really claim to be unbaised.

However, none of that matters in ROCK MUSIC. It is all about what grabs you...if that is Def Leppard GREAT!

The most intelligent thought I've read on any post.

Hey LS!

I have to agree with all that has been said. While I am both a Journey and DL fan- comparing Joe's vocal ability to Perry's is crazy IMHO. Perry is/was a vocal icon. No debate there!

The reason I like DL is the WHOLE band. I've been a music fan since-well forever! I like alot of artists, but for some reason ( don't know why, I'm not a Psycologist!) DL just does it for me. Joe's voice is not the best out there. But what he lacks in technical vocal ability- he makes up for in "emotive" vocal ability. ( once again- MHO)

I also was not too keen on how Joe handled the whole "Yeah" leak. He certainly has a temper- and knows how to use it at times. I make no excuses for him on that one. I've always had the utmost respect for Andrew and how his site is run. This is one of the only few sites I visit DAILY!

Andrew, if your around- there were a lot of us DL fans that wanted to tell Joe to calm the heck down!!

As for JSS- WOW! I have to say that I was totally impressed by his performance I saw ( West Palm Beach FL) last month. I see now why a lot of people around here have praised him so highly. He's won over another couple of fans in this house- on that I can assure you

As for pitting the bands up against each other- Why? Can't we all just agree that if it's good music, It's good??
After all- if everyone agreed totally on which bands were good/bad- music would be very boring- don't you think?

[defbezerk]

you must be some sort of dick to be laughing or making a joke about Rick's one arm. First of all, he plays all of his old stuff with one arm without any help...what does that say? Second, how many drummers would have done what he did? Not many or any at all. Another question you have to ask yourself, would Journey have kept him Deen if it had happen to him.
So keep laughing douche bag

[jrnyman28]

First of all, he plays all of his old stuff with one arm without any help...what does that say? Second, how many drummers would have done what he did? Not many or any at all. Another question you have to ask yourself, would Journey have kept him Deen if it had happen to him.
So keep laughing douche bag

Well, technically Rick does have electronic help. But it was a low blow to make a joke of what Rick has accomplished. And given some of the character Journey members have displayed of late, you are probably correct to assume Joureny would just move on without Deen.

In fact, one of the big arguments about this tour is that many people believe Jourey should have somehow cancelled to support their lead singer. But one argument is that they could not because of their contract with Def Leppard...

[KCfla]

First of all, he plays all of his old stuff with one arm without any help...what does that say? Second, how many drummers would have done what he did? Not many or any at all. Another question you have to ask yourself, would Journey have kept him Deen if it had happen to him.
So keep laughing douche bag

Well, technically Rick does have electronic help. But it was a low blow to make a joke of what Rick has accomplished. And given some of the character Journey members have displayed of late, you are probably correct to assume Joureny would just move on without Deen.

In fact, one of the big arguments about this tour is that many people believe Jourey should have somehow cancelled to support their lead singer. But one argument is that they could not because of their contract with Def Leppard...

Jrnyman- I quite agree. The ink was dry on the contracts, as well as thousands of tickets already sold before they "realized" that SA's voice problems were endangering the tour. ( and no- I will not get into my opinion on the whole "tape-gate" mess! )

And as far as the remarks about Rick- Hell, we DL fans have been hearing all of those cracks about the "one-armed drummer" for so long, we've come to ignore them. No one in their right mind can discount just how amazing it is that he's still back there "keeping the beat" for the band after all he's been through. And doing it quite well, might I add
I don't know enough about the Journey guys to make any kind of a statement about them however- so I'll leave those ideas/comments to you

[LadySlang9]

As for JSS- WOW! I have to say that I was totally impressed by his performance I saw ( West Palm Beach FL) last month. I see now why a lot of people around here have praised him so highly. He's won over another couple of fans in this house- on that I can assure you

As for pitting the bands up against each other- Why? Can't we all just agree that if it's good music, It's good??
After all- if everyone agreed totally on which bands were good/bad- music would be very boring- don't you think?

Hey KC -- I agree about your assessment of JSS. I really enjoyed hearing him in Dallas and look forward to hearing him again in the next couple of months. He is an excellent singer and he is really entertaining on stage. But, he's no JTE. There is no other like JTE.

I too wonder why so many folks -- particularly Journey fans -- want to pit the two bands against each other. They are both good bands with a large fan base.

It leads me to believe that Journey fans aren't as assured of the quality of their band as they say -- if they were, they wouldn't constantly be seeking confirmation that "their band" is the best.

Even the title of this thread is a bit pathetic. JSS is a good singer. JTE is a good singer. They appeal to people -- just perhaps not always the same people. Why is that so hard for some folks to comprehend?

[KCfla]

LS9-
I don't know either. I have seen it as a great way to get both bands out there, and into the public spotlight again.
Two great bands, with two tremendous reputations, for one ticket. ( and I don't think the ticket prices are bad at all, concidering!!)
So people are never satisfied I guess

[LadySlang9]

LS9-
I don't know either. I have seen it as a great way to get both bands out there, and into the public spotlight again.
Two great bands, with two tremendous reputations, for one ticket. ( and I don't think the ticket prices are bad at all, concidering!!)
So people are never satisfied I guess

I think you're right -- some folks just like to have something to bitch about.

Journey isn't a band I would normally pay to see, but I'm enjoying their part of this tour and I think Def Leppard made a good choice in selecting Journey for this "double header."

[jrnyman28]

Journey fans like drama!

[KCfla]

Journey fans like drama!

I'll take your word for that !
I guess between Rick's accident & Steve C's death- Lep fans have had about all the drama we can take!