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Slander wrote:Red13JoePa wrote:I'll bet not a single new note has been laid down.
I have it on good authority that they are working on album. We'll see.
Lark wrote:My thoughts are if Survivor were working on a new album, wouldn't it be in their best interests to get it out as quickly as possible to capitalize on the DWTS gig. Just my thoughts, since they "supposedly" have had almost a year to get it completed.
Red13JoePa wrote:Slander wrote:Red13JoePa wrote:I'll bet not a single new note has been laid down.
I have it on good authority that they are working on album. We'll see.
Pff.
MAYBE we'll "see." At the rate Frankie "Plato" Sullivan rolls, though, many of us will have cataracts when it's time to see that the record's done.
Slander wrote:
You mean throw something together? Get an album out to just get an album out. I don't think so. Who do you want Survivor to be-Journey? I think we can all agree there last platter was an error. By the way Foreigner hasn't had a new disc in a long time and Mick and the boys are doing just fine.
7 Wishes wrote:Slander wrote:
You mean throw something together? Get an album out to just get an album out. I don't think so. Who do you want Survivor to be-Journey? I think we can all agree there last platter was an error. By the way Foreigner hasn't had a new disc in a long time and Mick and the boys are doing just fine.
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SHITTING ME, SLANDER. You are comparing Journey to Survivor? I mean, I'm a Survivor addict, and they've had some talented guys in the band, but...come on! Neal Schon is a thousand times more talented than Francis - he can do everything! Rock, hard rock, metal, blues, Latin, jazz, fusion, and melodic rock, to name a few of the styles he's mastered. Steve Perry was the greatest melodic rock vocalist in history. Steve Smith is universally regarded as THE BEST jazz drummer in the world by his contemporaries. Ross is no slouch on bass, and Jon Cain is fantastically talented.
And, since you're so misinformed - Journey has put out two records and one EP since Trial By Fire. I would hardly call that "getting a record out as quickly as possible". Generations was alright, but it BLOWS AWAY Reach...just look at Jamo's "Empires" and you'll see the man has a real touch for writing a great melodic rock song (Just Beyond the Clouds, November Rain). Francis didn't allow anyone else's input, as usual, which is why Reach was mediocre at best.
"Mick and the Boys"? Dude, only two original Foreigner members are with the band, and one of them is NOT Lou Gramm, who defined Foreigner's sound. Kelly Hansen? Mmmm. He's alright. He's certainly no Lou Gramm. And since Foreginer has been forced to play gigs like "The Bagel Fest", "Decatur Downtown", and various campgrounds since Lou left the band, I would hardly say they're doing "just fine".
You just can't get anything right.
Lark wrote:wonder why Survivor didn't get invited along on that tour?
Slander wrote:
You can't get anything right my friend. I'm not saying Survivor is as good as Journey. I'm talking about rushing out an album. I felt Generations was a bit rushed out and was shite! Sorry. Journey is superior to Survivor. I may be the only person in the world that owns a copy of Arrival. I'm talking about rushnig out albums! As far as Foreigner, Mick and his band are doing just fine thank you very much. Sorry they are not doing the Bagel Fest. Mick and the guys will be touring with Def Leppard and Styx this summer. Sorry you are wrong.
7 Wishes wrote:Slander wrote:
You can't get anything right my friend. I'm not saying Survivor is as good as Journey. I'm talking about rushing out an album. I felt Generations was a bit rushed out and was shite! Sorry. Journey is superior to Survivor. I may be the only person in the world that owns a copy of Arrival. I'm talking about rushnig out albums! As far as Foreigner, Mick and his band are doing just fine thank you very much. Sorry they are not doing the Bagel Fest. Mick and the guys will be touring with Def Leppard and Styx this summer. Sorry you are wrong.
Foreigner will open and half a half an hour to play seven or eight songs from their dirty dozen, and that will be that. Their share of the revenue will be relatively small. People will see that it's not Gramm up there and are likely to not pay attention, and will certainly be more likely to avoid seeing them in the future. Incidentally, Arrival sold over a million copies worldwide, which is not too shabby - you can't just go by U.S. sales figures alone. Foreigner HAS been playing in front of VERY SMALL crowds for the last seven years.
Slander wrote:7 Wishes wrote:Slander wrote:
You can't get anything right my friend. I'm not saying Survivor is as good as Journey. I'm talking about rushing out an album. I felt Generations was a bit rushed out and was shite! Sorry. Journey is superior to Survivor. I may be the only person in the world that owns a copy of Arrival. I'm talking about rushnig out albums! As far as Foreigner, Mick and his band are doing just fine thank you very much. Sorry they are not doing the Bagel Fest. Mick and the guys will be touring with Def Leppard and Styx this summer. Sorry you are wrong.
Foreigner will open and half a half an hour to play seven or eight songs from their dirty dozen, and that will be that. Their share of the revenue will be relatively small. People will see that it's not Gramm up there and are likely to not pay attention, and will certainly be more likely to avoid seeing them in the future. Incidentally, Arrival sold over a million copies worldwide, which is not too shabby - you can't just go by U.S. sales figures alone. Foreigner HAS been playing in front of VERY SMALL crowds for the last seven years.
Damn just admit you are wrong! It's not the bagelfest. Other bands would kill to be on that bill. Lou Gramm hasn't been part of Foreigner for a very long time. I love Lou but he is not indesposable. Johnny Edwards was terrific on Unusual Heat.
silvergirl66 wrote:not dogging Foreigner, they have been one of my alltime favorite bands but 4 maybe 5 years ago I stood in line for like 5 or 6 hours in the hot sun at the taste of Chicago when Survivor and Foreigner was there so I could get really close to the stage. Lou was singing and when he first came on stage I had to do a double take first off, he was way overweight, then he started singing........I looked at my friend and she looked at me and we both just shook our heads. What the hell happened to Lou!!? The band was tight and awesome but Lou was shot. I'm sorry, I couldn't watch or listen. HIs voice was shot and it was ruining those precious songs I loved so much. I was trying give him the benefit of the doubt cause I knew he went threw some cancer or something like that but folks, it was bad. I don't blame the band for getting a different singer. I didn't stay for the whole show, I had to leave, it was that bad........sorry.
Eyeof wrote:Y
Hell guys, the Moment of Truth should have been huge...i mean that movie was big...and the song was good for the time...
Eyeof wrote:I liked it fine, especially considering its era....I know Frankie doesn't like it, but of course he doesn't....he didn't write it...and nothing he didn't do could be good right? I'm sure he'd rather spend quality concert time on 75 minute guitar solo, because that's soooo good....
And by the way...Bill Conti is a legend, so what's wrong with that....If Frankie was so against it...he should not have done it...My point was it was a pretty good song, from a huge movie...was used in the trailer and they get nothing from it...the next movie, Peter Centera does some sappy love song and viola...instant hit...
lukather4prez wrote: are you fucking kidding me with this :
ok guys, i got a debate topic for you all...... Which Rocks more, Vital Signs or Premonition?
Like what you will but the heavy nature of the Premonition album to the light, fluff, soda bubble gum pop of much of VS is really uncomparable. They are really like 2 different bands. Both are good albums for the types of music they are.
The most Rocking thing they ever made if by that you mean "heavy, and thick guitars, with that street edge to it and alot of soul in the voice n driving beats, riffs n KILLER guitar work" then you mean Premonition. some will luv it some not as its not that " High on You" high tenor West coast sound that perry and Jamo had.
c.m.
MarcelJordan wrote:
Did you know that Frankie was not really crazy about doing the solos? In his words (not exactly verbatim) "they (the band) made me do it all alone. It was horrible"
On the Conti front, Frankie hardly did much in the song, except the 5 second solo at the end and the cool chugging (the BEST part of the tune, IMO) at the middle (that I think saved the tune). At the same time, JP was the head honcho. FS possibly just went along with it.
7 Wishes wrote:MarcelJordan wrote:
Did you know that Frankie was not really crazy about doing the solos? In his words (not exactly verbatim) "they (the band) made me do it all alone. It was horrible"
On the Conti front, Frankie hardly did much in the song, except the 5 second solo at the end and the cool chugging (the BEST part of the tune, IMO) at the middle (that I think saved the tune). At the same time, JP was the head honcho. FS possibly just went along with it.
I love Francis' work and songwriting about as much as I hate his attitude. What a blowhard.
jsmac32raider wrote:With all due respect C.M. I thought "Singer" was the closest they got to true rockin' in VS. Third fav. Survivor tune for me.
Hmmm. . . . . . . .that's a stretch if I've ever heard one my friend.
I believe I can think of about 40 songs Survivor has done that "Rock" more than "Singer". That song isn't even heavy. As Lukather said, Vital Signs had a completely different, poppy sound (Singer included) than it's preceding Survivor albums. In fact, the only song on that CD that feels like "old" Survivor is "Broken Promises".
That's my opinion anyway. . . .
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MarcelJordan wrote:Eyeof wrote:I liked it fine, especially considering its era....I know Frankie doesn't like it, but of course he doesn't....he didn't write it...and nothing he didn't do could be good right? I'm sure he'd rather spend quality concert time on 75 minute guitar solo, because that's soooo good....
And by the way...Bill Conti is a legend, so what's wrong with that....If Frankie was so against it...he should not have done it...My point was it was a pretty good song, from a huge movie...was used in the trailer and they get nothing from it...the next movie, Peter Centera does some sappy love song and viola...instant hit...
Did you know that Frankie was not really crazy about doing the solos? In his words (not exactly verbatim) "they (the band) made me do it all alone. It was horrible"
On the Conti front, Frankie hardly did much in the song, except the 5 second solo at the end and the cool chugging (the BEST part of the tune, IMO) at the middle (that I think saved the tune). At the same time, JP was the head honcho. FS possibly just went along with it.
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