Schon comes clean... well sort of...

[finalfight]

Doesn't mean he wasn't the top of the heap

There, that's better!

Lets face it the dude was untouchable in his prime and definitely will be remembered as a legend in his chosen field. He's in my top three singers for sure - hey same as you in that regard.

[annie89509]

I do like 'You Better Wait' and in fact all of the 'For the Love of Strange Medicine' LP its just that the lyrics on that song smell very strongly of old Stilton.

I am still fairly new to Journey and as Trial By Fire is nowhere near top of my repeat play list 'When You Love a Woman' has not grown old to me yet. I simply think that 'Turn Down the World Tonight' is a better song.

I am not of the belief that if Steve Perry didn't sing on it than it can not hold up to the previous catalogue. I also don't agree that the songs you listed are necessarily a cut above all their other songs aren't they simply played out as the recipients of more airplay due to their possible release as singles?

Great as he was and as good as it would be for him to come back in some form or another Steve Perry was just a singer and time waits for no man.

Well, as our own SJ is so fond of using "facts" to bolster his arguments, here are some facts for you:

1) WYLAW is the song that gave Journey's its 1st (ever) Grammy nomination.
2) WYLAW(the song) and WYLAW(the video) are still played for the masses by the music industry, 12 years after its release.
3) Do a search for Journey's WYLAW came up with 7 pages of versions different fans have uploaded for viewing, totaling to over a million hits altogether.

Considering all the above, I would say WYLAW is better than either AATY or TDTWT.

[wednesday's child]

I don't particularly like AATY and TDTWT.
The former for a little too much sap and too-familiar melodies.
The latter has occasionally awkward lyrics.

WYLAW does a better job of avoiding similar pitfalls, but I'm not crazy about it either.
It sounds like Journey had more time (and people giving input) to fine-tune WYLAW
whereas many of the songs on Revelation are either short of prep or lacking
an extra hand in their crafting.

JM2
-wech

[yulog]

Anyway, I'm not asking you to repeat the personal info which was leaked [although I am curious to know] - but let me get this straight, you are saying that Jeff's 'sacking' may have been because info he told friends in confidence was leaked by the friends and NS & JC & Management got to hear about it?

The way Soto was "sacked" may have been a direct result of the aforementioned things.

I agree, i dont think it was the only thing, but it did have major weight when they decided to let him go(made the decision easier)

[Since 78]

I do like 'You Better Wait' and in fact all of the 'For the Love of Strange Medicine' LP its just that the lyrics on that song smell very strongly of old Stilton.

I am still fairly new to Journey and as Trial By Fire is nowhere near top of my repeat play list 'When You Love a Woman' has not grown old to me yet. I simply think that 'Turn Down the World Tonight' is a better song.

I am not of the belief that if Steve Perry didn't sing on it than it can not hold up to the previous catalogue. I also don't agree that the songs you listed are necessarily a cut above all their other songs aren't they simply played out as the recipients of more airplay due to their possible release as singles?

Great as he was and as good as it would be for him to come back in some form or another Steve Perry was just a singer and time waits for no man.

Well, as our own SJ is so fond of using "facts" to bolster his arguments, here are some facts for you:

1) WYLAW is the song that gave Journey's its 1st (ever) Grammy nomination.
2) WYLAW(the song) and WYLAW(the video) are still played for the masses by the music industry, 12 years after its release.
3) Do a search for Journey's WYLAW came up with 7 pages of versions different fans have uploaded for viewing, totaling to over a million hits altogether.

Considering all the above, I would say WYLAW is better than either AATY or TDTWT.

Maybe this will be their 2nd Grammy nomination.
Try typing in AATY, I got 11 pages and this is only what? 3 Months.
As for if its still being played after 12 years, we have to wait and see.

[annie89509]

I do like 'You Better Wait' and in fact all of the 'For the Love of Strange Medicine' LP its just that the lyrics on that song smell very strongly of old Stilton.

I am still fairly new to Journey and as Trial By Fire is nowhere near top of my repeat play list 'When You Love a Woman' has not grown old to me yet. I simply think that 'Turn Down the World Tonight' is a better song.

I am not of the belief that if Steve Perry didn't sing on it than it can not hold up to the previous catalogue. I also don't agree that the songs you listed are necessarily a cut above all their other songs aren't they simply played out as the recipients of more airplay due to their possible release as singles?

Great as he was and as good as it would be for him to come back in some form or another Steve Perry was just a singer and time waits for no man.

Well, as our own SJ is so fond of using "facts" to bolster his arguments, here are some facts for you:

1) WYLAW is the song that gave Journey's its 1st (ever) Grammy nomination.
2) WYLAW(the song) and WYLAW(the video) are still played for the masses by the music industry, 12 years after its release.
3) Do a search for Journey's WYLAW came up with 7 pages of versions different fans have uploaded for viewing, totaling to over a million hits altogether.

Considering all the above, I would say WYLAW is better than either AATY or TDTWT.

Maybe this will be their 2nd Grammy nomination.
Try typing in AATY, I got 11 pages and this is only what? 3 Months.
As for if its still being played after 12 years, we have to wait and see.

Why, I'll be darned. I see the same # of pages, but it shows there are 600 videos loaded for AATY. Poor SteveA, he never got this much attention and blitz when he first came on the scene. Arrival and Revelation are actually comparable albums, but nobody but the hardcore knew or bought it.

[Since 78]

I do like 'You Better Wait' and in fact all of the 'For the Love of Strange Medicine' LP its just that the lyrics on that song smell very strongly of old Stilton.

I am still fairly new to Journey and as Trial By Fire is nowhere near top of my repeat play list 'When You Love a Woman' has not grown old to me yet. I simply think that 'Turn Down the World Tonight' is a better song.

I am not of the belief that if Steve Perry didn't sing on it than it can not hold up to the previous catalogue. I also don't agree that the songs you listed are necessarily a cut above all their other songs aren't they simply played out as the recipients of more airplay due to their possible release as singles?

Great as he was and as good as it would be for him to come back in some form or another Steve Perry was just a singer and time waits for no man.

Well, as our own SJ is so fond of using "facts" to bolster his arguments, here are some facts for you:

1) WYLAW is the song that gave Journey's its 1st (ever) Grammy nomination.
2) WYLAW(the song) and WYLAW(the video) are still played for the masses by the music industry, 12 years after its release.
3) Do a search for Journey's WYLAW came up with 7 pages of versions different fans have uploaded for viewing, totaling to over a million hits altogether.

Considering all the above, I would say WYLAW is better than either AATY or TDTWT.

Maybe this will be their 2nd Grammy nomination.
Try typing in AATY, I got 11 pages and this is only what? 3 Months.
As for if its still being played after 12 years, we have to wait and see.

Why, I'll be darned. I see the same # of pages, but it shows there are 600 videos loaded for AATY. Poor SteveA, he never got this much attention and blitz when he first came on the scene. Arrival and Revelation are actually comparable albums, but nobody but the hardcore knew or bought it.

I agree Arrival was a great album and should have gotten better promotion. They did a much better job with Revelation. But I also think it has a lot to do with the singer. I love SA and hope he puts out some new music, but I'm glad I didn't miss out on this version of Journey.

[stevew2]

I enjoyed it the most, between 2002 and 2006, I have a good time

[Since 78]

I enjoyed it the most, between 2002 and 2006, I have a good time

Heres to good times!

[stevew2]

I enjoyed it the most, between 2002 and 2006, I have a good time

Heres to good times!

hell yea, {chugga lug}

[finalfight]

I do like 'You Better Wait' and in fact all of the 'For the Love of Strange Medicine' LP its just that the lyrics on that song smell very strongly of old Stilton.

I am still fairly new to Journey and as Trial By Fire is nowhere near top of my repeat play list 'When You Love a Woman' has not grown old to me yet. I simply think that 'Turn Down the World Tonight' is a better song.

I am not of the belief that if Steve Perry didn't sing on it than it can not hold up to the previous catalogue. I also don't agree that the songs you listed are necessarily a cut above all their other songs aren't they simply played out as the recipients of more airplay due to their possible release as singles?

Great as he was and as good as it would be for him to come back in some form or another Steve Perry was just a singer and time waits for no man.

Well, as our own SJ is so fond of using "facts" to bolster his arguments, here are some facts for you:

1) WYLAW is the song that gave Journey's its 1st (ever) Grammy nomination.
2) WYLAW(the song) and WYLAW(the video) are still played for the masses by the music industry, 12 years after its release.
3) Do a search for Journey's WYLAW came up with 7 pages of versions different fans have uploaded for viewing, totaling to over a million hits altogether.

Considering all the above, I would say WYLAW is better than either AATY or TDTWT.

Hardly a fair comparison as one song is well over a decade older than the other. Compare achievements in 2020 and then we'll talk.

[JSS]

I did ONE song with the band, the lame Winds Of Freedom, nothing else. Cain praised my tenor & Perry-isms on it, exclaiming how much he looked forward to working together. Neal hated the song but we all knew it was written for the occasion of a one off gig. I wish we had done more, then I could go on record at least saying we did. On the same note, the praise, enthusiasm, etc., on EVERY interview about the future of Journey gave me NO indication they ever had any concerns. I am a once tenor/now baritone but I never lost my head voice which is what is necessary to carry out the Journey sound...I knew how to work my voice back to that as you will hear not on my upcoming solo album but this project I am doing with Frontiers Records scheduled for release early next year. Once again, the truth was sugar coated by some deep rooted 'something else' I have yet to uncover.

[SusieP]

Once again, the truth was sugar coated by some deep rooted 'something else' I have yet to uncover.

You may never truly know.
Unless someone finds some guts to admit whatever it was.

[JSS]

Gold (soon to be Platinum) albums and sold out sheds seem to tell me that people are very interested in this lineup.

Total novelty act.
Jeff would have built something that withstood the test of time, while standing on its own two feet.
What they have now is cheap nostalgia.

We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

Remember everyone, St John & Tito were in the room or vicinity when all in our camp went down, the now all the inside stuff, I wonder why I try to fight the truth when these guys are here to reveal everything they saw & learned daily with us as everyone 'falsely' showed vibrance, glee, enthusiasm & a new fire up their asses. Sorry for trying to blanket your knowledge with my mere theories, carry on, makes for good reading in the edition of Reader's Digest(ion).

[donnaplease]

I did ONE song with the band, the lame Winds Of Freedom, nothing else. Cain praised my tenor & Perry-isms on it, exclaiming how much he looked forward to working together. Neal hated the song but we all knew it was written for the occasion of a one off gig. I wish we had done more, then I could go on record at least saying we did. On the same note, the praise, enthusiasm, etc., on EVERY interview about the future of Journey gave me NO indication they ever had any concerns. I am a once tenor/now baritone but I never lost my head voice which is what is necessary to carry out the Journey sound...I knew how to work my voice back to that as you will hear not on my upcoming solo album but this project I am doing with Frontiers Records scheduled for release early next year. Once again, the truth was sugar coated by some deep rooted 'something else' I have yet to uncover.

Jeff, it was a lame song, but IMO you made it sound as good as it could possibly be. The people that are trying to act as if those interviews never happened are the ones that are delusional, not you, and not those of us who followed Journey closely at that time.

We're looking forward to your upcoming releases.

[annie89509]

I do like 'You Better Wait' and in fact all of the 'For the Love of Strange Medicine' LP its just that the lyrics on that song smell very strongly of old Stilton.

I am still fairly new to Journey and as Trial By Fire is nowhere near top of my repeat play list 'When You Love a Woman' has not grown old to me yet. I simply think that 'Turn Down the World Tonight' is a better song.

I am not of the belief that if Steve Perry didn't sing on it than it can not hold up to the previous catalogue. I also don't agree that the songs you listed are necessarily a cut above all their other songs aren't they simply played out as the recipients of more airplay due to their possible release as singles?

Great as he was and as good as it would be for him to come back in some form or another Steve Perry was just a singer and time waits for no man.

Well, as our own SJ is so fond of using "facts" to bolster his arguments, here are some facts for you:

1) WYLAW is the song that gave Journey's its 1st (ever) Grammy nomination.
2) WYLAW(the song) and WYLAW(the video) are still played for the masses by the music industry, 12 years after its release.
3) Do a search for Journey's WYLAW came up with 7 pages of versions different fans have uploaded for viewing, totaling to over a million hits altogether.

Considering all the above, I would say WYLAW is better than either AATY or TDTWT.

Hardly a fair comparison as one song is well over a decade older than the other. Compare achievements in 2020 and then we'll talk.

Haha, facts are only relevant when SJ uses it. God, I hope we are all around here in 2020. I guarantee, when Journey is all said and done, only the SP-fronted material is heard and spoken about -- no matter what the J-Boys are trying to do now.

[annie89509]

I did ONE song with the band, the lame Winds Of Freedom, nothing else. Cain praised my tenor & Perry-isms on it, exclaiming how much he looked forward to working together. Neal hated the song but we all knew it was written for the occasion of a one off gig. I wish we had done more, then I could go on record at least saying we did. On the same note, the praise, enthusiasm, etc., on EVERY interview about the future of Journey gave me NO indication they ever had any concerns. I am a once tenor/now baritone but I never lost my head voice which is what is necessary to carry out the Journey sound...I knew how to work my voice back to that as you will hear not on my upcoming solo album but this project I am doing with Frontiers Records scheduled for release early next year. Once again, the truth was sugar coated by some deep rooted 'something else' I have yet to uncover.

Jeff, it was a lame song, but IMO you made it sound as good as it could possibly be. The people that are trying to act as if those interviews never happened are the ones that are delusional, not you, and not those of us who followed Journey closely at that time.

We're looking forward to your upcoming releases.

Agreed. Unfortunately, WOF was not a good song for Jeff to take on as his first new Journey tune. It needed a lot of work to turn it into a catchy tune. I think Jeff wanted to sing it like WYLAW -- with the Perry-isms. Jon knew ithe song was not up to snuff (he wrote it), that may explain why he gave JSS (false) encouragement.

[Liam]

Fuck Neal.

I'm with you on that one. The guy just never knows when to keep his fuckin' trap shut.

[donnaplease]

I did ONE song with the band, the lame Winds Of Freedom, nothing else. Cain praised my tenor & Perry-isms on it, exclaiming how much he looked forward to working together. Neal hated the song but we all knew it was written for the occasion of a one off gig. I wish we had done more, then I could go on record at least saying we did. On the same note, the praise, enthusiasm, etc., on EVERY interview about the future of Journey gave me NO indication they ever had any concerns. I am a once tenor/now baritone but I never lost my head voice which is what is necessary to carry out the Journey sound...I knew how to work my voice back to that as you will hear not on my upcoming solo album but this project I am doing with Frontiers Records scheduled for release early next year. Once again, the truth was sugar coated by some deep rooted 'something else' I have yet to uncover.

Jeff, it was a lame song, but IMO you made it sound as good as it could possibly be. The people that are trying to act as if those interviews never happened are the ones that are delusional, not you, and not those of us who followed Journey closely at that time.

We're looking forward to your upcoming releases.

Agreed. Unfortunately, WOF was not a good song for Jeff to take on as his first new Journey tune. It needed a lot of work to turn it into a catchy tune. I think Jeff wanted to sing it like WYLAW -- with the Perry-isms. Jon knew ithe song was not up to snuff (he wrote it), that may explain why he gave JSS (false) encouragement.

Woulda never worked, Annie. No amount of emotion or talent could make that song a hit. As Jeff said, it was written about the settlers coming to Jamestown. Who really gives a crap about that, when it comes to Journey music. Especially given that the show was in Leesburg, which is in Northern Virginia, and Jamestown (which we were celebrating) is located all the way across the state. Jeff perfomed it as a professional, though, trying to give it some life.

The show itself was pretty lame all around, and I could tell they weren't cohesive that night (of course at the time I had no idea why). But it was a great weekend, full of lots of laughs, alcohol consumption, and great friends!

[Enigma869]

I was comparing the smaltziness of AATY with OA.

I'll take AATY over OA ALL DAY LONG...Even without Perry's vocals!


John from Boston

[RocknRoll]

I was comparing the smaltziness of AATY with OA.

I'll take AATY over OA ALL DAY LONG...Even without Perry's vocals!


John from Boston

WHOAAA!! You're scaring me here. This can't be Boston talking?

[Enigma869]

They never said how long he'd be the lead singer. At least not to us.

As if any band actually announces how long their lead singer is going to be on board. I'm pretty sure their announcement of "permanent" was definitive enough, for most Silly argument, dude. Listen...I agree with almost EVERYTHING you've said about Journey making the change. Just please don't defend their handling of it, because there really is no defense. It's a whole lot simpler to say "Liste, they decided Jeff wasn't the guy, and went after a guy who could emulate that Perry sound, much better. They simply fucked up the transition, IN A BIG WAY"!!!!!!


John from Boston

[Don]

I was comparing the smaltziness of AATY with OA.

I'll take AATY over OA ALL DAY LONG...Even without Perry's vocals!


John from Boston

Wasn't OA written for “Last American Virgin”, a sappy teen angst film. I know it was in the movie “Heavy Metal” but it was so out of place there.

[Enigma869]

Wasn't OA written for “Last American Virgin”, a sappy teen angst film. I know it was in the movie “Heavy Metal” but it was so out of place there.

It was probably written after Friga had his heart broken by another chick God, that song sucks!


John from Boston

[Enigma869]

WHOAAA!! You're scaring me here. This can't be Boston talking?

Not sure what your point is here. The statement is completely consistent with my past opinions! Open Arms has ALWAYS sucked, and still does!


John from Boston

[finalfight]

Wasn't OA written for “Last American Virgin”, a sappy teen angst film. I know it was in the movie “Heavy Metal” but it was so out of place there.

It was probably written after Friga had his heart broken by another dude God, that song sucks!


John from Boston

Corrected.