Barak: President of 59 States!

[conversationpc]

Ah, the typical diversionary tactics of this country's leftists, i.e. accusations of racism and being homophobic. You guys are really in love with that good ol' racism card, aren't ya? (typed with as thick a southern accent as possible...) Git 'r done!!!

Much like Limbaugh's facetious "titanium Haliburton briefcases" and "Club Gitmo Tavel Packages", satirizing tragedy and scandal doesn't make it any less true.

I'd be curious to know what that has to do with me since I am neither a Limbaugh fan or even a listener, for that matter. Nice 2nd attempt at diversion, though.

Are you a 9/11 Truther?

In case it wasn't obvious by now, Torquemada...

TNC yanks an obscure reference from the annals of history! Yeah, we conservatives are just vile homophobic, racist, misogynist a-holes who just hate everyone who doesn't look exactly like us. (in case you don't understand context, that was intended to be sarcastic...)

...I'm not going to dignify that with an answer.

I figured as much.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'd be curious to know what that has to do with me since I am neither a Limbaugh fan or even a listener, for that matter. Nice 2nd attempt at diversion, though.

Then why are you defending his "phony soldiers" gaffe just a few posts up, and anytime it is mentioned on this forum?

And Rush's reckless tongue-in-cheek handling of direly serious affairs doesn't stop with him.
It's endemic to all of AM hate radio, especially the puberty squeak-voiced Beck, who dismisses all poor people as lazy, revels in the extinction of the polar bear, and laughs at the death of a famous film director because he found his movies boring.

TNC yanks an obscure reference from the annals of history. Yeah, we conservatives are just vile homophobic, racist, misogynist a-holes who just hate everyone who doesn't look exactly like us.

It's not obscure. Mel Brooks even made a song about it.
You are hounding me, on the basis of my ideological views, on a question that no other forum member would ever be subject to.
Perhaps the Salem Witch Trials would be a more fitting comparison. Either way, that question is beneath me and I will not play ball.

[conversationpc]

I'd be curious to know what that has to do with me since I am neither a Limbaugh fan or even a listener, for that matter. Nice 2nd attempt at diversion, though.

Then why are you defending his "phony soldiers" gaffe just a few posts up, and anytime it is mentioned on this forum?

And Rush's reckless tongue-in-cheek handling of direly serious affairs doesn't stop with him.
It's endemic to all of AM hate radio, especially the puberty squeak-voiced Beck, who dismisses all poor people as lazy, revels in the extinction of the polar bear, and laughs at the death of a famous film director because he found his movies boring.

I'm defending him and will do so to any other conservative or liberal who I think has been taken out of context. I can't stand Rush but I also know he hasn't done what you libs claim he has done.

TNC yanks an obscure reference from the annals of history. Yeah, we conservatives are just vile homophobic, racist, misogynist a-holes who just hate everyone who doesn't look exactly like us.

It's not obscure. Mel Brooks even made a song about it.

It is obscure. Most people aren't going to recognize that name.

You are hounding me, on the basis of my ideological views, on a question that no other forum member would ever be subject to.
Perhaps the Salem Witch Trials would be a more fitting comparison. Either way, that question is beneath me and I will not play ball.

Give me a break. After the behavior you've displayed on this forum since I've been a member here and you're complaining of me hounding YOU. This is priceless!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm defending him and will do so to any other conservative or liberal who I think has been taken out of context. I can't stand Rush but I also know he hasn't done what you libs claim he has done.

Aside from offering blanket denials for the cigar-chomping hophead, you have defended nothing.

You have yet to explain how "phony soldiers" was made in reference to Jesse MacBeth, when neither of the two callers on the line, nor Limbaugh himself, were even talking about Macbeth.
Beck couldn't explain it.
Hannity couldn't explain it.
Fox and Friends couldn't explain it.

Short of using clairvoyance to read Limbaugh's OxyContin eroded brain, there is no possible way ANYONE can say with any degree of certainty what Rush secretly meant. The subject at the time was soldiers who talk to the press - period.

Absolving him from his comments is akin to saying that Imus wasn't referring to the Rutgers women's basketball team when he said "nappy headed hos."

It is obscure. Most people aren't going to recognize that name.

Then they can spare one second, look it up, and educate themselves. Or would that be considered too "elitist?"

Give me a break. After the behavior you've displayed on this forum since I've been a member here and you're complaining of me hounding YOU. This is priceless!

You are asking point blank whether I believe the US government blew up the towers.
Considering your daily radio diet, I am not the least bit surprised you would turn the fiery deaths of over 2000 American citizens as a cheap means to continue to demonize and beat up liberals.

Nevertheless, I'm not willing to seriously entertain that discussion.

[conversationpc]

Aside from offering blanket denials for the cigar-chomping hophead, you have defended nothing.

You have yet to explain how "phony soldiers" was made in reference to Jesse MacBeth, when neither of the two callers on the line, nor Limbaugh himself, were even talking about Macbeth.
Beck couldn't explain it.
Hannity couldn't explain it.
Fox and Friends couldn't explain it.

Short of using clairvoyance to read Limbaugh's OxyContin eroded brain, there is no possible way ANYONE can say with any degree of certainty what Rush secretly meant. The subject at the time was soldiers who talk to the press - period.

Absolving him from his comments is akin to saying that Imus wasn't referring to the Rutgers women's basketball team when he said "nappy headed hos."

If I remember correctly, and it's been a long while since I've even listened to the Rush segment in question, he wasn't referring specifically to Macbeth but to phony soldiers in general, of which there have been several discovered, wasn't he?

You are asking point blank whether I believe the US government blew up the towers.
Considering your daily radio diet, I am not the least bit surprised you would turn the fiery deaths of over 2000 American citizens as a cheap means to continue to demonize and beat up liberals.

Nevertheless, I'm not willing to seriously entertain that discussion.

No, the ones who turn it into a cheap means of anything are those who claim our government planned and carried it out to kill our own citizens, despite the fact that there's no proof of it.

[conversationpc]

Alert!

During a commercial break, Glenn joked with his staff about a prediction made by an astrologist.

This has been your Glenn Beck Nutjob Update.

[RedWingFan]

You have yet to explain how "phony soldiers" was made in reference to Jesse MacBeth, when neither of the two callers on the line, nor Limbaugh himself, were even talking about Macbeth.
Beck couldn't explain it.
Hannity couldn't explain it.
Fox and Friends couldn't explain it.

Well maybe next time Rush will call the US Armed forces "cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objective." Like your idol Keith Olbermann

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well maybe next time Rush will call the US Armed forces "cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objective." Like your idol Keith Olbermann

Anyone who watched the op-ed knows all too well that the topic was Bush and Co.
Care to remind me just what "political objective" Keith was talking about that our men in uniform are supposed to have?
Unlike Rush, who was neither talking about Macbeth or any fake soldier at the time, the context here actually serves to blows your argument away.
Don't any of you Conservatives actually bother to watch the soundbytes you brainlessly parrot?

Keith's Full Quote:

"The president replied: 'Doomsday scenario of course is that extremists throughout the Middle East would be emboldened, which would eventually lead to another attack on the United States. The biggest issue we face is, it’s bigger than Iraq, it’s this ideological struggle against cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives.'

Mr. Bush, at long last, has it not dawned on you that the America you have now created, includes “cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives?” They are those in — or formerly in — your employ, who may yet be charged some day with war crimes."

[Barb]

Well maybe next time Rush will call the US Armed forces "cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objective." Like your idol Keith Olbermann

Anyone who watched the op-ed knows all-too-well that the topic was Bush and Co.
Care to remind me just what "political objective" Keith was talking about that our men in uniform are supposed to have?
Unlike Rush, who was neither talking about Macbeth or any fake soldier at the time, the context here actually serves to blows your argument away

Full quote:

"The president replied: 'Doomsday scenario of course is that extremists throughout the Middle East would be emboldened, which would eventually lead to another attack on the United States. The biggest issue we face is, it’s bigger than Iraq, it’s this ideological struggle against cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives.'

Mr. Bush, at long last, has it not dawned on you that the America you have now created, includes “cold-blooded killers who will kill people to achieve their political objectives?” They are those in — or formerly in — your employ, who may yet be charged some day with war crimes."

"SHUT THE HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL UP, MR. BOOSH". Wow. That was harsh. What a maroooon....

[The_Noble_Cause]

"SHUT THE HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL UP, MR. BOOSH". Wow. That was harsh. What a maroooon....

A little too hambone for me, but his facts are spot-on. Care to refute one?

[Barb]

"SHUT THE HEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL UP, MR. BOOSH". Wow. That was harsh. What a maroooon....

A little too hambone for me, but his facts are spot-on. Care to refute one?

Keith Olbermann wouldn't know a fact if it smacked him across his foaming at the mouth face. Why would I waste my time refuting him to you? You are about as fair as he is. There's no point.

[RedWingFan]

Anyone who watched the op-ed knows all too well that the topic was Bush and Co.
Care to remind me just what "political objective" Keith was talking about that our men in uniform are supposed to have?

You mean the Pentagon isn't occupied by the US Armed forces? Military men and women who I'm sure were at one time boots on the ground soldiers? Maybe he was talking about the other Pentagon that is made up by the Agriculture department or Park Rangers?

[The_Noble_Cause]

You mean the Pentagon isn't occupied by the US Armed forces? Military men and women who I'm sure were at one time boots on the ground soldiers? Maybe he was talking about the other Pentagon that is made up by the Agriculture department or Park Rangers?

Firstly, no one involved in the administration's war-planning cabal were at one time "ground soldiers." Ever.
Olbermann's comments were referring to people like Rummy, Feith, Wolfowitz...the chickenhawk architects.

Secondly, who said the "war criminals" in question extends only to the Pentagon, and not all the way to the Oval Office?
Especially in light of Olbermann's extensive reporting on the revelation that senior Bush officials, including Cheney and Rice, were personally involved in drafting torture guidelines.


Wha....?
But Rush Limbaugh told me the torture was just a bunch of bad apples blowing off some steam.

[conversationpc]

Secondly, who said the "war criminals" in question extends only to the Pentagon, and not all the way to the Oval Office?
Especially in light of Olbermann's extensive reporting on the revelation that senior Bush officials, including Cheney and Rice, were personally involved in drafting torture guidelines.

Torture or water boarding? I personally don't think water boarding is a good thing but I wouldn't exactly call it torture, either. It's certainly nowhere near the unspeakable atrocities that were happening in Iraq before we invaded.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Torture or water boarding? I personally don't think water boarding is a good thing but I wouldn't exactly call it torture, either. It's certainly nowhere near the unspeakable atrocities that were happening in Iraq before we invaded.

I'm not interested in moral relativism.
We tried the Japanese for doing precisely that after WWII.
Have a fucking shred of patriotic dignity.

[conversationpc]

Torture or water boarding? I personally don't think water boarding is a good thing but I wouldn't exactly call it torture, either. It's certainly nowhere near the unspeakable atrocities that were happening in Iraq before we invaded.

I'm not interested in moral relativism.
We tried the Japanese for doing precisely that after WWII.
Have a fucking shred of patriotic dignity.

Oh, so now I'm unpatriotic? That's something that some conservatives typically do to some liberals who are against the war. It's a despicable tactic and so are you for using it.

As for moral relativism, do you suddenly have a halo floating a few inches above your head? But of course, you've managed to insert meanings to words that were not uttered. I said I'm against water boarding. I've said that before on this forum. However, IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT ON THE ORDER OF WHAT THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT PERPETRATED ON ITS CITIZENS BEFORE WE INVADED. If you can't decipher that bit of plain English, there's probably a dummy book somewhere out there that can assist you.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, so now I'm unpatriotic? That's something that some conservatives typically do to some liberals who are against the war. It's a despicable tactic and so are you for using it.

Supporting torture, illegal under U.S. and international law, is unpatriotic. Correct.

As for moral relativism, do you suddenly have a halo floating a few inches above your head? But of course, you've managed to insert meanings to words that were not uttered. I said I'm against water boarding. I've said that before on this forum. However, IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT ON THE ORDER OF WHAT THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT PERPETRATED ON ITS CITIZENS BEFORE WE INVADED. If you can't decipher that bit of plain English, there's probably a dummy book somewhere out there that can assist you.

Since when do Americans conduct themselves according to grisly precedents left behind by Saddam Hussein?
We, as a country, have already came down firmly on the side of no waterboarding.

[RedWingFan]

Secondly, who said the "war criminals" in question extends only to the Pentagon, and not all the way to the Oval Office?

Olbermann did on a follow up broadcast to clarify his comments. Thank you.

[conversationpc]

Oh, so now I'm unpatriotic? That's something that some conservatives typically do to some liberals who are against the war. It's a despicable tactic and so are you for using it.

Supporting torture, illegal under U.S. and international law, is unpatriotic. Correct.

As for moral relativism, do you suddenly have a halo floating a few inches above your head? But of course, you've managed to insert meanings to words that were not uttered. I said I'm against water boarding. I've said that before on this forum. However, IT IS OBVIOUSLY NOT ON THE ORDER OF WHAT THE IRAQI GOVERNMENT PERPETRATED ON ITS CITIZENS BEFORE WE INVADED. If you can't decipher that bit of plain English, there's probably a dummy book somewhere out there that can assist you.

Since when do Americans conduct themselves according to grisly precedents left behind by Saddam Hussein?
We, as a country, have already came down firmly on the side of no waterboarding.

Do you have a brain in that mud trap you call a cranium? Did you bother reading where I said that I don't support it?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Secondly, who said the "war criminals" in question extends only to the Pentagon, and not all the way to the Oval Office?

Olbermann did on a follow up broadcast to clarify his comments. Thank you.

No, he didn't.
In fact, he said the precise opposite.

As anyone can read in Keith's follow-up below, Olbermann clarified that he meant high ranking officials in both the Pentagon and the WH - as if that wasn't obvious already.

As much as you'd like to believe, nay, need to believe, that every liberal goes thru life hoping to encounter a soldier to spit on, it simply isn't so.
Speaking of which, why did you GOP pigs shoot down the new G.I. Bill again today?

"My use of Mr. Bush's phrase 'cold-blooded killers' referred not to them, but rather those former and current members of Mr. Bush's administration and Pentagon who so irresponsibly unleashed the hounds of war, and may indeed some day face war crimes trials.

And that phrase 'merciless mercenaries' seemed to be self-explanatory.

Neither are these U.S. troops, not when there are literally mercenaries in Mr. Bush's employ, principally from Blackwater-USA, who literally shot unarmed Iraqis, most infamously in a massacre in Baghdad last September.

But strangely, when the terms 'cold-blooded killers' and 'mercenaries' were used in a public forum, my critics in the lunatic fringe, rather than even considering that the criticism even might be directed at the Pentagon or the Administration or Blackwater-USA, immediately decided that these were descriptions of our American heroes fighting in Iraq."

[The_Noble_Cause]

Do you have a brain in that mud trap you call a cranium? Did you bother reading where I said that I don't support it?

To me, describing waterboarding as "not torture" when we have convicted our enemies for it, in addition to setting up false straw analogies between our government and the regime of Saddam Hussein can only be construed as pulling excuses out of one's hat.
If you don't support it, fine. I take you at your word.

[Eric]

Do you have a brain in that mud trap you call a cranium? Did you bother reading where I said that I don't support it?

To me, describing waterboarding as "not torture" when we have convicted our enemies for it, in addition to setting up false straw analogies between our government and the regime of Saddam Hussein can only be construed as pulling excuses out of one's hat.
If you don't support it, fine. I take you at your word.

I don't know where the Hell I stand on this. I don't see it as torture in the way that cutting off fingers and toes is......and there is evidenced that it has given us information that may have prevented further attacks....BUT.....

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't know where the Hell I stand on this. I don't see it as torture in the way that cutting off fingers and toes is......and there is evidenced that it has given us information that may have prevented further attacks....BUT.....

Yes, but there has also been cases to the contrary, such as Ibn al Shakh al Libby, who in between taking spit takes, swore to his interrogators a connection between Al-Qaeda and Saddam.

Look, if we, as a country, want to change the rules and do this, then let's do it.
Under the all-encompassing fig leaf of national security, however, there has been no national debate.
There is zero transparency with this administration.

[conversationpc]

I don't know where the Hell I stand on this. I don't see it as torture in the way that cutting off fingers and toes is......and there is evidenced that it has given us information that may have prevented further attacks....BUT.....

Yes, but there has also been cases to the contrary, such as Ibn al Shakh al Libby, who in between taking spit takes, swore to his interrogators a connection between Al-Qaeda and Saddam.

Look, if we, as a country, want to change the rules and do this, then let's do it.
Under the all-encompassing fig leaf of national security, however, there has been no national debate.
There is zero transparency with this administration.

THIS I agree with. Now I must go hang myself...

[RedWingFan]

I didn't reword anything. I simply stated what Edwards does that makes him a hypocrite.

Yet you refuse to define why. Talking about poverty, as well as starting a poverty center makes him a hypocrite? Or is it his haircut?
And if it is, just what the fuck do you care how he spends his own money?

Thought AlteredDNA might want to pick up on the "why" Edwards is a hypocrite question.

[brywool]

God, whatta stupid thing to say (the states thing). Ugh.
Are all these guys friggin' morons? Sorry, but I cannot vote for McCain. It's basically George Bush all over again and that guy's done enough. Not only my opinion, but the majority. I cannot believe McCain will win, but Geez, between him and Obama, I'll friggin' stay home. At least this way, I'll be able to say "I didn't vote for the SOB!"