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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:04 am

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conversationpc wrote:Hey guys, what's the deal with Obama's tax plan lately? At one point, he was saying anyone under $250,000 would receive a tax "cut". Then he started saying anyone under $200,000. Then Biden the other day was saying $150,000. Does it sound to anyone else like they are preparing for not cutting ANYONE'S taxes once Obama is elected?


The fact that McCain isn't sticking this to Obama's ass and pointing it out at every turn has me wonder if McCain is going to vote for Obama in the coming election.

Really. There's *good* issues to attack Obama with....that McCain choses to avoid, by sticking with generalistic, stupid labels like "socialist" and "redistributer"

I don't understand this. The fact that Obama has officially changed his position on taxation has GOT to be something that McCain can ride Obama long and hard on....but he choses to ride Joe the Plumber right into a fucking record deal?? :roll:



Is it too much to ask for a republican candidate that isn't a fucking complete idiot?


McCain has been hammering this issue and so has Palin. You think you're going to see it on the news, Frank? :wink: :roll: Fox has been all over it. Too bad they're the only ones.


Agreed that McCain has to hit him on this. F-ck Obama too. I caught a minute of his speech in Florida and he took a shot at Joe The Plumber. What an arrogant asshole. He should be hit on attacking a normal citizen who asked him a question.
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Postby Skylorde » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:05 am

Saint John wrote:Man, I really want to see if it's true that Obama toasted with a bunch of radical fucks that were calling for an end to Israel.

The LA Times is in posession of the video but haven't released it yet. Although the pressure is mounting, I won't be suprised if they don't. Being at the bottom of the journalistic integrity barrel already, they can't get any lower.

Saint John wrote:It's also amazing that Clinton could stand on a stage with that long-legged freak after the way treated Hillary in the primary.

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Postby Voyager » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:07 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:If it takes losing this election to drive the Republicans back to their conservative roots on things like fiscal discipline and smaller government then so be it.


Yeah... and if it takes voting a Democrat into office to get us out of the unjustified war in Iraq, to get our economy back on track, to repair our standing on the world stage, and to clean up the huge mess of eight years of Republican foolishness - then so be it.

I just hope it's not too late.

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Postby Voyager » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:12 am

Bush has completely fucked our economy. These two headlines are a testament to his economic priorities:

CNNMoney: Exxon Mobil breaks profit record
CNNMoney: American Express cutting 7,000 jobs

He pads the pockets of his Texas oil buddies and screws the rest of the country in the ass.

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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:13 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:You know I am not given to conspiracy theories...but I am thinking that the Republicans have decided they don't want to win...let the Democrats control things awhile and take all the blame, and the republicans can come in like the proverbial white knights and rescue the USA in 2012...


Not impossible to believe. I know Strangegray has said he's not voting for McCain to clean out the Republicans. I have done that in the past and may do this time (not that it matters in Illinois). The only problem is the Republicans may come back to power but with the same type of shitheads. New people but same faults.
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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:14 am

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RossValoryRocks wrote:You know I am not given to conspiracy theories...but I am thinking that the Republicans have decided they don't want to win...let the Democrats control things awhile and take all the blame, and the republicans can come in like the proverbial white knights and rescue the USA in 2012...


well, for that to happen, they have to at least *appear* like their fighting during this go around, or they're going to turn away alot of people. From my perspective, it doesn't even seem like they're doing that.

I dont mean to sound like a wednesday morning QB here (even though it's not next wednesday yet) I really feel you can fill a stadium with people that would have run his campaign better than who he's got doing it...


True but McCain is the wrong candidate. That's the other problem with Republican voters. We usually elect the wrong candidate.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:14 am

Voyager wrote:Bush has completely fucked our economy. These two headlines are a testament to his economic policies:

CNNMoney: Exxon Mobil breaks profit record
CNNMoney: American Express cutting 7,000 jobs

He pads the pockets of his Texas oil buddies and screws the rest of the country in the ass.

:roll:


Neither of those numbers absolutely prove that Bush has "fucked the economy". You can do better than that.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:16 am

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RossValoryRocks wrote:If it takes losing this election to drive the Republicans back to their conservative roots on things like fiscal discipline and smaller government then so be it.


Yeah... and if it takes voting a Democrat into office to get us out of the unjustified war in Iraq, to get our economy back on track, to repair our standing on the world stage, and to clean up the huge mess of eight years of Republican foolishness - then so be it.

I just hope it's not too late.

:(


You are smoking crack again aren't you? Look while the Republicans surely can take a lot of blame for the economic mess, the democrats have to shoulder their fair share as well.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:20 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
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RossValoryRocks wrote:If it takes losing this election to drive the Republicans back to their conservative roots on things like fiscal discipline and smaller government then so be it.


Yeah... and if it takes voting a Democrat into office to get us out of the unjustified war in Iraq, to get our economy back on track, to repair our standing on the world stage, and to clean up the huge mess of eight years of Republican foolishness - then so be it.

I just hope it's not too late.

:(


You are smoking crack again aren't you?


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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:23 am

Voyager wrote:Bush has completely fucked our economy. These two headlines are a testament to his economic priorities:

CNNMoney: Exxon Mobil breaks profit record
CNNMoney: American Express cutting 7,000 jobs

He pads the pockets of his Texas oil buddies and screws the rest of the country in the ass.

:roll:


Bush has NOTHING to do with the price of oil, it is a commodity and the price is set on the world stage. You are a simpleminded, economic ignoramous.

Exxon has record profit (and their is nothing wrong with profit unless you are a communist) because the price of oil was high and LOTS was being sold. And in order to have record profit, they paid RECORD TAXES. Or doesn't that matter to you??? Exxon pays approximately $4000 in taxes for every $1000 in profit they make. Once again proving you are an idiot who just spews the typical liberal rant: It's all Bush's fault and companies make too much profit.

Amex cut jobs, yes, why? Because they want to maximize THEIR profits and one of the only direct costs a company can change is the cost of employees.

You and the other libs REALLY need to get off the it's all Bush's fault. While he certainly has had his share of fuckups, you cannot blame everything on him because it just isn't true.
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Postby AlteredDNA » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:26 am

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Income Redistribution - A fulfilling experiment when personally applied!

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Last Thursday while walking to lunch on the corner of Market and East Bay, I passed what appeared to be a homeless man standing on the corner of Wentworth and East Bay holding a hand-made sign that read, “Vote Obama, I need the money.”, I laughed to myself and admired the man for his misplaced, albeit blatant honesty.

Once inside one of my favorite restaurants, I noticed that my waiter was wearing a bright blue ,“Obama 08” tie; again I laughed to myself as he boldly and proudly advertised his political preference for all the world, and his customers, to see -- just imagine the odds of encountering two such 1st Amendment harbingers of change in less than 10-minutes.

When the check finally came I decided not to tip my waiter and explained to him that I was going to implement a practical application of Obama's Redistribution of Wealth concept as my own personal socialistic experiment. He stood there in stoic disbelief as I explained to him that I was going to redistribute his rightfully earned $10 tip to someone who I deemed more in need...a homeless fellow standing a few blocks north in front of the Harris Teeter parking lot. The waiter stammered a few "Why practice on me? I’m just a local college student!" retorts and then angrily stormed away from the table in a steaming huff of progressive self-righteous indignation.
Apparently, after experiencing firsthand the application of such socialistic governance from the perspective of the rightful wage earner, my young liberal-minded waiter was quickly convinced that income redistribution was much easier to support as a noble, magnanimous social policy than when his own hard-earned income was about to be redistributed, against his will, to another I deemed more needy.

I went outside, walked back up to Wentworth, gave the homeless guy a $10 bill, and asked him to walk down to the restaurant on the corner and thank the waiter there who was wearing the “Obama 08” tie as I've decided he could use the money more than my waiter who had actually earned the $10. The homeless fellow smiled in grateful disbelief, tossed his sign in the hedge, and promptly bounded for the liquor store across the street.

At the end of this impromptu and rather unscientific income redistribution experiment I realized the homeless fellow was truly grateful for the money that he had not exerted any effort to earn, but my liberal-minded waiter was highly indignant that I would take from him and then give to another the honest wages that he had worked hard to earn even though the homeless recipient needed the money more.

As I walked back to my office, I began thinking about the heavy burden of corporate ownership and the endless frustration from beating my head against the wall of increasing bureaucracy year-after-year. I also thought of the majority of this year’s hard-earned profits that I had planned to reinvest in a few new employees, annual raises to reward loyalty and hard work, Christmas bonuses for extraordinary effort, and year-end corporate donations to the SC Aquarium, Coastal Conservation League, and the Historic Charleston Foundation.

After reconsidering my apparent politically incorrect capitalistic beliefs, the needs of my hard-working, albeit financially struggling, middle-class staff, and the six-figure salaries of the three non-profits’ directors sitting in the big stately, well-maintained buildings that each called home, I decided then and there to give every last penny of this year’s profit directly to Charleston’s Homeless Shelter, layoff all my staff, close our company, retire early, and depend upon the largesse of Obama’s promised Redistribution of Wealth for my every need!

In that brief instance, I too became a practicing socialist!
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Postby Skylorde » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:31 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Voyager wrote:Bush has completely fucked our economy. These two headlines are a testament to his economic priorities:



:roll:


Bush has NOTHING to do with the price of oil, it is a commodity and the price is set on the world stage. You are a simpleminded, economic ignoramous.

Exxon has record profit (and their is nothing wrong with profit unless you are a communist) because the price of oil was high and LOTS was being sold. And in order to have record profit, they paid RECORD TAXES. Or doesn't that matter to you??? Exxon pays approximately $4000 in taxes for every $1000 in profit they make. Once again proving you are an idiot who just spews the typical liberal rant: It's all Bush's fault and companies make too much profit.

Amex cut jobs, yes, why? Because they want to maximize THEIR profits and one of the only direct costs a company can change is the cost of employees.

You and the other libs REALLY need to get off the it's all Bush's fault. While he certainly has had his share of fuckups, you cannot blame everything on him because it just isn't true.


Stu, you are the real crack smoking fucking idiot here. Don't you know it's ALL George Bush's fault? I think we should start a new thread entitled "George Bush is to blame for...."

I really hate to come off sounding like I'm defending that asshole but it's absolutely comical how some on the left blame everything from AIDS to zits (and everything in between) on Bush while simply refusing to acknowledge their parties responsibility.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:31 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:You and the other libs REALLY need to get off the it's all Bush's fault. While he certainly has had his share of fuckups, you cannot blame everything on him because it just isn't true.


It is true. Bush is the worst president in USA history, and has completely fucked our country up very badly. He should be put on death row for his war crimes alone.

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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:34 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:Bush has NOTHING to do with the price of oil, it is a commodity and the price is set on the world stage.


Maybe...Maybe not. I do often wonder how we've ended up with the highest oil prices our country has ever seen while two guys with the last name Bush were sitting in The White House.

RossValoryRocks wrote: Exxon pays approximately $4000 in taxes for every $1000 in profit they make.


How and why? I'm not a CPA, but this sounds absurd! How the hell does any individual or any corporation have a $4000.00 tax burden for every $1000.00 they make??? This must be political speak, because if it were actually true, Exxon would be out of business!

RossValoryRocks wrote:You and the other libs REALLY need to get off the it's all Bush's fault. While he certainly has had his share of fuckups, you cannot blame everything on him because it just isn't true.


Well, not everything under the sun can be any one person's fault. That said, Bush is absolutely the number one guy to hold accountable. When a company fails, it has a whole lot of employees, who may have had a hand in that failure. It doesn't change the fact that the CEO is the person taking the hits (and in my opinion, rightfully so). If the country implodes on a certain president's watch, then that person should take most of the heat for that failure, regardless of which party you align yourself with!


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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:34 am

Enigma869 wrote:McCain told Larry King last night that he absolutely does not believe that Obama is a Socialist. I think McCain's problem is that every stump speech he gives, he has the same regurgitated message of "Fight, Fight, Fight", and he's simply not getting his message across.


That's the problem. I don't think McCain believes half the shit his saids. He is trying to act a conservative when he's not. Obama fits the description of a socialist i.e. universal healthcare, redistributing the wealth, etc. How can we take McCain seriously when he doesn't believe his own stuff.

Enigma869 wrote:While I'm not the political expert that some are, I believe this has been a horrendously run campaign by McCain. The infighting that has developed between McCain staffers and McCain's pick for VP is simply embarrassing. I'm sure McCain is completely embarrassed that this has become public knowledge.


This has totally been a flop of a campaign. I can't believe it's this close. Then again it may not be. The media has a vested interest in a close election and drama and they want a long night as that equals higher ratings. Everyone is asking if these polls are legit. I say no, mostly because I think they are being skewed to make the race closer than it appears.

I think the rift you are seeing in the campaign and it being leaked means they know internally they are done. If they had a legit shot, this would not be leaked and if it was they would find the person immediately and remove them. I saw a report where it said McCain etal are preparing to blame Palin for the loss. Also, there are people who have their own agendas in the campaign.

Enigma869 wrote:I also think that even the Obama detractors would have to admit that the guy has run a very intelligent campaign (The infomercial, notwithstanding)


Agreed, David Axelrod has run a great campaign going back to the primaries. They figured out what route to take and use the system wisely (delegates and how they are elected) and used that equation to get them to 2021 delegates. Specifically, winning in red states big time and picking up delegates.

Enigma869 wrote:I think the McCain campaign is really starting to show signs of desperation, raising a 6 month old L.A. Times article, which CNN said had no merit, whatsoever.


In fairness, everyone does this. They all sit on information until they need it. Some of it is never used.

Also, never believe anything you see on TV. It's just like the internet.
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Postby Skylorde » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:38 am

Voyager wrote:
RossValoryRocks wrote:You and the other libs REALLY need to get off the it's all Bush's fault. While he certainly has had his share of fuckups, you cannot blame everything on him because it just isn't true.


It is true. Bush is the worst president in USA history, and has completely fucked our country up very badly. He should be put on death row for his war crimes alone.

8)


If we use your standard, we should have put LBJ death row for Vietnam. Oh wait, he was a democrat, never mind. I'm sure he was justified.

Maybe we should do the same with Clinton for Bosnia & Somalia? Oh wait, those military operations were UN authorized. That justifies it!
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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:41 am

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RossValoryRocks wrote:If it takes losing this election to drive the Republicans back to their conservative roots on things like fiscal discipline and smaller government then so be it.


Yeah... and if it takes voting a Democrat into office to get us out of the unjustified war in Iraq, to get our economy back on track, to repair our standing on the world stage, and to clean up the huge mess of eight years of Republican foolishness - then so be it.

I just hope it's not too late.

:(


Fuck the world stage. That has very little meaning to me.
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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:43 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
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RossValoryRocks wrote:If it takes losing this election to drive the Republicans back to their conservative roots on things like fiscal discipline and smaller government then so be it.


Yeah... and if it takes voting a Democrat into office to get us out of the unjustified war in Iraq, to get our economy back on track, to repair our standing on the world stage, and to clean up the huge mess of eight years of Republican foolishness - then so be it.

I just hope it's not too late.

:(


You are smoking crack again aren't you? Look while the Republicans surely can take a lot of blame for the economic mess, the democrats have to shoulder their fair share as well.


100% correct. The other point is why should they have an effect at all. Isn't this proof the government is too big and socialistic already.
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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:49 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:Exxon has record profit (and their is nothing wrong with profit unless you are a communist) because the price of oil was high and LOTS was being sold. And in order to have record profit, they paid RECORD TAXES. Or doesn't that matter to you??? Exxon pays approximately $4000 in taxes for every $1000 in profit they make.


Thank you. If people really wanted to cut the cost of gas we should cut taxes on oil companies. The government has made way more money on oil than the oil companies.
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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:51 am

Skylorde wrote:
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RossValoryRocks wrote:You and the other libs REALLY need to get off the it's all Bush's fault. While he certainly has had his share of fuckups, you cannot blame everything on him because it just isn't true.


It is true. Bush is the worst president in USA history, and has completely fucked our country up very badly. He should be put on death row for his war crimes alone.

8)


If we use your standard, we should have put LBJ death row for Vietnam. Oh wait, he was a democrat, never mind. I'm sure he was justified.

Maybe we should do the same with Clinton for Bosnia & Somalia? Oh wait, those military operations were UN authorized. That justifies it!


LBJ was the worst president in U.S. history.
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:03 am

Enigma869 wrote:How and why? I'm not a CPA, but this sounds absurd! How the hell does any individual or any corporation have a $4000.00 tax burden for every $1000.00 they make??? This must be political speak, because if it were actually true, Exxon would be out of business!

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My numbers were a little off...but still...they pay 41% FEDERAL income taxes. That doesn't cover any other taxes (state and local for instance )they have to pay.

But they pay outragreous amounts of taxes on what they make.

Since Exxon is a publicly traded company you can easily look up their numbers and see for yourself how much they pay in taxes.

Nevermind...I will do it for you at least in one instance: http://seekingalpha.com/article/63131-e ... tors_picks

They pay about $30 billion in taxes per year. They have averaged $27 Billion per year in taxes paid.

The PhD. who wrote the article sums it up best:

Over the last three years, Exxon Mobil has paid an average of $27 billion annually in taxes. That's $27,000,000,000 per year, a number so large it's hard to comprehend. Here's one way to put Exxon's taxes into perspective.

According to IRS data for 2004, the most recent year available:

Total number of tax returns: 130 million

Number of Tax Returns for the Bottom 50%: 65 million

Adjusted Gross Income for the Bottom 50%: $922 billion

Total Income Tax Paid by the Bottom 50%: $27.4 billion


Conclusion: In other words, just one corporation (Exxon Mobil) pays as much in taxes ($27 billion) annually as the entire bottom 50% of individual taxpayers, which is 65,000,000 people! Further, the tax rate for the bottom 50% is only 3% of adjusted gross income ($27.4 billion / $922 billion), and the tax rate for Exxon was 41% in 2006 ($67.4 billion in taxable income, $27.9 billion in taxes).


And Obama wants them to pay MORE...yeah...that's going to lower gas prices! :roll:

Any tax increase on businesses is going to do one of three things:

#1 Force some of the smaller businesses out of business all together.
#2 Stop any expansion plans because the businesses just can't justify the increased tax load expansion will bring.
#3 Be passed straight on to the consumer (you and me) in the form of higher prices.


You can argue with the PhD. who wrote the article if you like about the Exxon tax info.

Here is another one: http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/2195.html

And another: http://in.biz.yahoo.com/080501/129/6tayb.html

Get the picture now?
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Postby lights1961 » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:10 am

THANK GOD WERE IN THE LAST 5 days!!! Then no more... until January 09 when some idiot will come to Iowa and open up an office to run for President for 2012 so he
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Postby strangegrey » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:10 am

Skylorde wrote:Maybe we should do the same with Clinton for Bosnia & Somalia? Oh wait, those military operations were UN authorized. That justifies it!


No dude...it was justified...he got caught with his dick in an interns mouth....he HAD to do something.
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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:17 am

lights1961 wrote:THANK GOD WERE IN THE LAST 5 days!!! Then no more... until January 09 when some idiot will come to Iowa and open up an office to run for President for 2012 so he
can be the first one to announce his plans to run for office.

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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:59 am

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Tito wrote:Not sure about the Reagan Democrats, the amnesty plan probably killed that for him. Had he been a true conservative, he would have those voters no problem.


Amusing, considering Reagan pushed for amnesty with the Immigration Control Act.


Reagan admited he screwed up after that.


So has McCain. Your point?
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:01 am

Skylorde wrote:If we use your standard, we should have put LBJ death row for Vietnam. Oh wait, he was a democrat, never mind. I'm sure he was justified.


Should've been impeached for the Gulf of Tonkin, no doubt about it.
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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:03 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
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Tito wrote:Not sure about the Reagan Democrats, the amnesty plan probably killed that for him. Had he been a true conservative, he would have those voters no problem.


Amusing, considering Reagan pushed for amnesty with the Immigration Control Act.


Reagan admited he screwed up after that.


So has McCain. Your point?


McCain does not believe that. He may try to say it, but make no mistake he is for open borders.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:08 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:How and why? I'm not a CPA, but this sounds absurd! How the hell does any individual or any corporation have a $4000.00 tax burden for every $1000.00 they make??? This must be political speak, because if it were actually true, Exxon would be out of business!

John from Boston


My numbers were a little off...but still...they pay 41% FEDERAL income taxes. That doesn't cover any other taxes (state and local for instance )they have to pay.

But they pay outragreous amounts of taxes on what they make.

Since Exxon is a publicly traded company you can easily look up their numbers and see for yourself how much they pay in taxes.

Nevermind...I will do it for you at least in one instance: http://seekingalpha.com/article/63131-e ... tors_picks

They pay about $30 billion in taxes per year. They have averaged $27 Billion per year in taxes paid.

The PhD. who wrote the article sums it up best:

Over the last three years, Exxon Mobil has paid an average of $27 billion annually in taxes. That's $27,000,000,000 per year, a number so large it's hard to comprehend. Here's one way to put Exxon's taxes into perspective.

According to IRS data for 2004, the most recent year available:

Total number of tax returns: 130 million

Number of Tax Returns for the Bottom 50%: 65 million

Adjusted Gross Income for the Bottom 50%: $922 billion

Total Income Tax Paid by the Bottom 50%: $27.4 billion


Conclusion: In other words, just one corporation (Exxon Mobil) pays as much in taxes ($27 billion) annually as the entire bottom 50% of individual taxpayers, which is 65,000,000 people! Further, the tax rate for the bottom 50% is only 3% of adjusted gross income ($27.4 billion / $922 billion), and the tax rate for Exxon was 41% in 2006 ($67.4 billion in taxable income, $27.9 billion in taxes).


And Obama wants them to pay MORE...yeah...that's going to lower gas prices! :roll:

Any tax increase on businesses is going to do one of three things:

#1 Force some of the smaller businesses out of business all together.
#2 Stop any expansion plans because the businesses just can't justify the increased tax load expansion will bring.
#3 Be passed straight on to the consumer (you and me) in the form of higher prices.


You can argue with the PhD. who wrote the article if you like about the Exxon tax info.

Here is another one: http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/2195.html

And another: http://in.biz.yahoo.com/080501/129/6tayb.html

Get the picture now?


Beneath all of these excellent points is a simpler and more universal point: Something has to give.

You make the rich people/companies pay more taxes, great. Guess what? They are still rich. You're not going to hurt them. But, something has to give, and any increased hardship the rich feel will be passed onto their employees/customers etc etc.

In the end, the "poor" and "middle class" are going to get hurt again.

My uncle runs a small advertising agency in Toledo, OH that was started by my grandfather and he has really built it up since my grandfather passed it onto him. Apparently, there's been a lot of political debate in the office to the point where it was harming productivity/work relationships and he did something unprecedented for him: He called a company-wide meeting (keep in mind he has 50 some employees...) and told them: "I've never done this before, but I know politics has been a hot topic, and I'm not going to tell you who you have to vote for. But, Obama is going to hurt me. If I get hurt, there's a good chance all of you will get hurt, too."

We can't continue to let corrupt CEOs run ramshod over all of the shareholders/employees and get away with it. That's where the Republicans need to step up and say "Hey, this is wrong." They NEED to do a better job of making this clear and following through. But, hurting the majority of honest business owners/executives isn't the answer.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:09 am

Saint John wrote:Palin was really hammering away at this supposed LA Times tape last night. But of course only Fox aired a segment of it. Everyone else was airing the prelude to the terrorist wannabe and his new found friendship with Billbilly Clinton. Man, I really want to see if it's true that Obama toasted with a bunch of radical fucks that were calling for an end to Israel.


Uhh, the "radical fuck" who was being "toasted," Rashid Khalidi , was given millions in grants by McCain.
Good luck getting campaign mileage out of that.
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Postby Tito » Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:13 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Saint John wrote:Palin was really hammering away at this supposed LA Times tape last night. But of course only Fox aired a segment of it. Everyone else was airing the prelude to the terrorist wannabe and his new found friendship with Billbilly Clinton. Man, I really want to see if it's true that Obama toasted with a bunch of radical fucks that were calling for an end to Israel.


Uhh, the "radical fuck" who was being "toasted," Rashid Khalidi , was given millions in grants by McCain.
Good luck getting campaign mileage out of that.


Can we just admit they both suck.
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