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Postby Ehwmatt » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:43 pm

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squirt1 wrote:What has happened to Cleveland? On the other hand,Indy looked rusty and Dallas & New England anemic. Too bad I can't get any Valium before tomorrow nights game.


Take it for what it's worth, but coaching. Everyone wanted Mangina fired as soon as he took siege. Everyone complained he was "too harsh" and "too disciplined." Well, after many of those Browns washed their own vagina's, it looks like playing tough love is paying off and he sent a message. Add in Holmgren in the mix, someone who's been around player personal before and has coached many winning franchise, and whella, a blueprint on how to win football games. I credit Mangini, all of a sudden the "fire him" talks has calmed.

As far as Cincy, I think they are seeing Pittsburgh at the wrong time. I see Pitt winning huge tonight considering we got beat hard last week, have the sweep of Cincy last year in our mind, and we know we MUST keep pace within the division with Baltimore.


I was a HUGE Mangini critic last year, but said all along that if he toned his style down just a tad and more importantly, if he wore ONLY the coaching hat (as opposed to having all the power like he did last year), he might just turn out to be a good coach. Well, now that Holmgren and Heckert are overseeing the organization and Mangini is wearing his coaching hat, that's looking to be the case. The team has improved in every game this year, is making fewer mistakes each week, and is looking mighty good considering the talent we have.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:10 am

Don wrote:Dallas has three more prime time games it looks like. Another Sunday night game along with Thanksgiving and Christmas Day.


YoungJRNY wrote:Flex scheduling. By that time, the NFL may pull Dallas (ahahahahaha, so funny) and put on a worthy game worthy of a playoff birth or some kind of seeding on the line. Thank GAWD for that.


The flex scheduling would only come into play for the Sunday night game. The Cowgirls playing on Thanksiving isn't exactly news, considering the NFL forces both the Cowgirls and Lions down the throats of all Americans EVERY Thanksgiving, whether good, bad or ugly! The NFL, while a great league, simply doesn't get it when it comes to the Thanksgiving Day games and "showcasing" the league in London. I'm not sure what kind of "showcase" it is when you send two of the worse teams in the league to play each other. Not really the way I would want to "show off" my product. As for the Christmas Day game, that is simply a Saturday game, and Saturday games are common throughout December.

On another note, ESPN is reporting that doucheman Jones has a "meeting" with the Dallas coaches this afternoon. So long Wade! Nice of Jones to finally wake the fuck up. The guy looks like a total fucking tool coming out to the media after each ass-whooping to talk about how great Wade is and how he is going to be around for the next 50 years :shock:
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 1:18 am

Ehwmatt wrote:I was a HUGE Mangini critic last year, but said all along that if he toned his style down just a tad and more importantly, if he wore ONLY the coaching hat (as opposed to having all the power like he did last year), he might just turn out to be a good coach. Well, now that Holmgren and Heckert are overseeing the organization and Mangini is wearing his coaching hat, that's looking to be the case. The team has improved in every game this year, is making fewer mistakes each week, and is looking mighty good considering the talent we have.


Football is the only sport where talent doesn't always win out. The thing that Mangini is doing well is that he understands his team isn't loaded with talent. There is a reason he runs so many "trick" plays, week after week. Really good teams in the NFL don't run "gimmick" plays each week, because they're good enough to not have a need to trick the team they're playing. This has been a very strange year in the NFL. The Raiders are better than "average". The Browns and the Lions are well on their way to becoming viable NFL franchises again, and there simply isn't a dominant team, ANYWHERE in the league. On another note, Cleveland still has a long way to go, given their fucking absurd celebration after yesterday's victory. Giving Mangina a Gatorade bath was simply embarrassing. Someone needs to tell these guys that they're still 3-5!
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Postby RedWingFan » Tue Nov 09, 2010 2:56 am

Raiders are coming off a big win against KC, a game they won without their starting QB Gradkowski, their top TE Zach Miller and the best corner in the league (yes, I said it) Nnamdi Asomugha.

Now comes a much needed bye week and everyone should be back and at full strength. The extra week to prepare for the Steelers to win another game in their back yard like last year won't hurt either. :D
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Nov 09, 2010 3:43 am

This is an hilarious cartoon/spoof of tonight's game. Not sure who these guys are who make these vids, but it's priceless!

Pittsburgh Steelers @ Cincinnati Bengals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-n3Z9H-KXI
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Postby squirt1 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 4:08 am

I loved the cartoon !
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Postby Kilaya » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:09 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Flex scheduling. By that time, the NFL may pull Dallas (ahahahahaha, so funny) and put on a worthy game worthy of a playoff birth or some kind of seeding on the line. Thank GAWD for that

The flex scheduling would only come into play for the Sunday night game. The Cowgirls playing on Thanksiving isn't exactly news, considering the NFL forces both the Cowgirls


Yes but this Thanksgiving the Saints will be kicking the Cowpokes butt on Thanksgiving! It will be quite entertaining :)
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:14 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Flex scheduling. By that time, the NFL may pull Dallas (ahahahahaha, so funny) and put on a worthy game worthy of a playoff birth or some kind of seeding on the line. Thank GAWD for that.


The flex scheduling would only come into play for the Sunday night game. The Cowgirls playing on Thanksiving isn't exactly news, considering the NFL forces both the Cowgirls



Everyone knows the TG tradition with Dallas and Detroit, I was talking mainly with a Sunday/Saturday Night premier if Dallas is showcased. Thanksgiving is Thanksgiving, but like Kilaya said, always fun to watch a slaughtering of the Cowpokes.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:34 am

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Everyone knows the TG tradition with Dallas and Detroit, I was talking mainly with a Sunday/Saturday Night premier if Dallas is showcased. Thanksgiving is Thanksgiving, but like Kilaya said, always fun to watch a slaughtering of the Cowpokes.


Just as an FYI Travis, Saturday games are not moved, regardless of how much the team sucks. The whole "flex" thing is strictly for Sunday night games, only and can only be used for teams who were already scheduled to play a game earlier on that same Sunday.
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Postby Maui Tom » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:40 am

RT @Dankrup: @TheBigLead KTCK radio station in Dallas reporting Wade Phillips has been fired.
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Postby Rick » Tue Nov 09, 2010 5:47 am

Maui Tom wrote:RT @Dankrup: @TheBigLead KTCK radio station in Dallas reporting Wade Phillips has been fired.


Yep, Jason Garrett will take over. I hope they give him the axe, eventually. Maybe he will prove me wrong. I think he's done an awful job, sulking on the sideline, because he didn't get the head coaching job before.
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:13 am

IRVING, Texas -- Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones fired coach Wade Phillips on Monday, sources told ESPN's Chris Mortensen and Ed Werder.

The move comes less than a year after he was given a two-year contract extension for leading the Cowboys to their first playoff win in over a decade. He will be replaced by offensive coordinator Jason Garrett, the sources said.

The end for Phillips came after a 45-7 loss to the Green Bay Packers on Sunday night extended Dallas' losing streak to five games as the Cowboys -- which began the season with Super Bowl expectations -- fell to 1-7 overall.

Phillips ends his time in Dallas with a 35-23 record, having won two NFC East titles and getting the Cowboys' first playoff victory since 1996. Phillips is 83-65 overall as a head coach.

Jones, who had never fired a coach in-season since purchasing the team in 1989, had said multiple times that Phillips would finish out this season. The owner cited research showing interim coaches are not successful and that was a deterrent for him making the change.

Cowboys Coaches

Coach Yrs. W L T %
Tom Landry '60-88 250 162 6 .607
Jimmy Johnson '89-93 44 36 0 .550
Barry Switzer '94-97 40 24 0 .625
Chan Gailey '98-99 18 14 0 .563
Dave Campo '00-02 15 33 0 .313
Bill Parcells '03-06 34 30 0 .531
Wade Phillips '07-10 34 22 0 .607

But the Cowboys' five-game slide -- during which they've been outscored 179-107 -- has made things difficult for Jones, who even apologized publicly to fans. In two of the games, Phillips questioned the passion of his team and wasn't sure if he lost them.

Last Monday, Phillips revealed he watched nearly two years' worth of games on tape and discovered fundamentals were lacking. Phillips said it was time for the team to return to the basics, but those basics were severly lacking in Sunday night's loss to the Packers as the Cowboys were plagued by missed tackles, a muffed punt and poor blocking techniques which resulted in four sacks and a fumble on a kick return.

"I thought we played poorly," Phillips said after the Packers game. "I thought we played poorly as a team and we looked like a bad football team. That's the way we played. Bad coaching."

Last Friday morning, when asked if Phillips would continue to be the coach for the rest of the season, Jones had a one-word answer: "Yes."

But things took a drastic turn after Sunday night's shellacking on national television.

After the game, Jones said there would be dire consequences for what transpired, but he wouldn't give out specifics as to what that meant.

"There are a lot of people here who are certainly going to suffer and suffer consequences," Jones said. "I'm talking about within the team -- players, coaches who have got careers. This is certainly a setback. I know firsthand what it is to have high expectations."

Phillips didn't want to address if he had any discussions with Jones after the game.

Yet, it was clear the Cowboys were headed for a change.

Several players offered their support for Phillips after the loss, but also said the NFL was a business.

"I do believe in Wade," wide receiver Miles Austin said.

"He's the owner," cornerback Terence Newman said of Jones. "He gets to do whatever he wants to. Whatever he does, we have no choice but to live with it."

Phillips was hired in 2007 and proclaimed himself "Mr. Fix It" when it came to defense. The Cowboys changed their 3-4 defense, deemed too conservative under previous coach Bill Parcells, to become more aggressive by blitzing outside linebackers -- mainly DeMarcus Ware -- nearly every play.

Phillips also offered a much different personality than Parcells' gruff style. Several players said Parcells liked to play mind games and that wore them down after a while. Phillips expected players to police themselves, and he rarely used profanity.

Phillips promoted a family environment at Valley Ranch, often saying he preferred to treat players as if they were his sons.

Phillips' relaxed style paid off in 2007, when the Cowboys went 13-3, won the NFC East and earned a first-round bye in the playoffs. But Phillips' team was knocked out in the divisional round at home by the eventual Super Bowl champion New York Giants.

The next season, the Cowboys encountered all sorts of problems that Phillips appeared to struggle to contain.

Tank Johnson, Keith Davis and Ken Hamlin flew to South Texas for a Halloween Party a day before a road game at New York, which the Giants won 35-14.

Cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones was suspended that season for getting into a fight with his team-issued bodyguard in which Dallas police were called to the scene.

Phillips mishandled the Jones situation badly, not making him inactive for the next game before the league mandated the suspension. In an exchange with reporters, Phillips doubted if the fight had taken place -- despite a police report having been filed.

Terrell Owens feuded with Tony Romo and Jason Witten, and Phillips didn't put a stop to the problems.

Despite all the issues, the Cowboys still had a chance to reach the postseason but lost in the regular-season finale to the Philadelphia Eagles 44-6.

There was a thought Phillips would get fired after the 2008 season, but he was given one more chance to fix the problems.

Jones released several veterans -- including Owens, Adam Jones and Johnson. In 2009, with a calmer locker room and Phillips vowing personal changes in his approach, the Cowboys responded by going 11-5 and winning the NFC East.

The Cowboys beat the Eagles in the NFC wild-card round -- their first postseason win since 1996 -- before losing to the Minnesota Vikings.

Phillips was rewarded with a two-year contract extension worth a little more than $3.5 million per season.

With the NFL's highest payroll this season, Jerry Jones was hopeful that the Cowboys would become the first Super Bowl host team to actually play in the game.

The Cowboys started 0-2 before beating Houston on the road in Week 3 before a bye week.

But five consecutive losses placed the Cowboys into this situation where Jerry Jones was forced to do something he had said didn't want to -- fire the coach.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:41 am

I can't see Garrett staying on past this season....because A) he was passed over already for the head coaching gig, and B) Jones has had success with bringing in outside big name guys like Jimmy Johnson and The Tuna...both fat by the way. So I can see him bringing in maybe a Cowher, or a Denny Green...someone who brings his own people in. However, it won't really matter anyway,. as there is likely to be a work stoppage next year anyway.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:47 am

Rockindeano wrote:I can't see Garrett staying on past this season....because A) he was passed over already for the head coaching gig, and B) Jones has had success with bringing in outside big name guys like Jimmy Johnson and The Tuna...both fat by the way. So I can see him bringing in maybe a Cowher, or a Denny Green...someone who brings his own people in. However, it won't really matter anyway,. as there is likely to be a work stoppage next year anyway.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Nov 09, 2010 6:48 am

They can bring in Zeuss to coach the team, but they'll never be good until they get rid of that fucking bum from Eastern Illinois. They've glossed over the fact that he sucks and always chokes in crunch time for half a decade now. Got rid of Parcells, Pacman, TO and now Phillips. Release Homo and start over. The guy flat out sucks and is the worse QB I have ever seen on any team.

Busts like Leaf and Couch weren't nearly as bad as this guy and I'll tell you why. They were flat out bad, but you knew it. You realized it, got rid of them and allowed your team to resume the hunt for a new QB. This guy is the worst QB of all-time because he puts up good stats, raises your hopes, and then sinks the ship and rips your fucking heart out. But I enjoy watching it every year so i hope they keep him. :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Nov 09, 2010 7:01 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:

Everyone knows the TG tradition with Dallas and Detroit, I was talking mainly with a Sunday/Saturday Night premier if Dallas is showcased. Thanksgiving is Thanksgiving, but like Kilaya said, always fun to watch a slaughtering of the Cowpokes.


Just as an FYI Travis, Saturday games are not moved, regardless of how much the team sucks. The whole "flex" thing is strictly for Sunday night games, only and can only be used for teams who were already scheduled to play a game earlier on that same Sunday.


Didn't know that, I thought flex scheduling were made on the move whether it be a Sat or Sun game, but it IS only Sunday Nights. Good catch.

As far as Phillips, this should have came way earlier. I don't know, maybe a year? IMHO, I don't think it really matters anyhow. Any Dallas head coach that will be plopped there to play monkey for Jerry Jones will suffer and won't be able to do his own thing. Monkey see, monkey do is what the motto should be in Dallas. Jerry Jones has too much power and his team suffers for it. I haven't seen an owner suck the life out of so much air-time in my life rather than his own team, winning OR failing.
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:00 am

they say the number one coach on jerry jones wishlist next season is....jeff fisher.

if that is indeed true then i wonder if he would leave the stability and certainly media friendly confines of nashville for jerry jones wallet and a chance to coach the dallas cowboys.....

jeff fisher contract to coach the titans runs through the end of 2010 season i believe.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:04 am

mikemarrs wrote:they say the number one coach on jerry jones wishlist next season is....jeff fisher.

if that is indeed true then i wonder if he would leave the stability and certainly media friendly confines of nashville for jerry jones wallet and a chance to coach the dallas cowboys.....

jeff fisher contract to coach the titans runs through the end of 2010 season i believe.


Interesting development for 2011 (or 2012 considering the lockout possibility.) I know Jones wants Cowher, but I don't think Cowher wants ANYTHING to do with Dallas. Fisher would be an interesting grab.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:24 am

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Interesting development for 2011 (or 2012 considering the lockout possibility.) I know Jones wants Cowher, but I don't think Cowher wants ANYTHING to do with Dallas. Fisher would be an interesting grab.



There is a reason that guys like Johnson and Parcells left that douche Jones. The guy has ZERO clue what he's doing and I honestly can't see any NFL coach with a backbone wanting to work for that guy. Johnson and Parcells are the only guys who have had ANY success at all under Jones' ownership and it's because neither guy was afraid to tell that wingnut to go shit in his hat!
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Postby Michigan Girl » Tue Nov 09, 2010 8:35 am

Enigma869 wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Interesting development for 2011 (or 2012 considering the lockout possibility.) I know Jones wants Cowher, but I don't think Cowher wants ANYTHING to do with Dallas. Fisher would be an interesting grab.



There is a reason that guys like Johnson and Parcells left that douche Jones. The guy has ZERO clue what he's doing and I honestly can't see any NFL coach with a backbone wanting to work for that guy. Johnson and Parcells are the only guys who have had ANY success at all under Jones' ownership and it's because neither guy was afraid to tell that wingnut to go shit in his hat!
I agree, John ...I wouldn't take the job unless I had an iron
clad contract stating that he would stay the hell out of my game ...is there such a thing?!?! They need another Jimmy Johnson
to turn this thing around ...Garrett is not gonna get the job done, but now is a good time to find that out!!

Also, I agree w/SJ up there ...I knew from the moment Romo, Romo, Romo stepped on the field to replace
Bledsoe ...that's all she wrote, but noooooooo, Dallas loved him!! Romo's gotta go!! :?

On the flip side ...it's an exciting time to be a Lions Fan !! :D
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:28 am

As Jason Garrett gets settled in as interim coach of the Cowboys, Albert Breer of NFL Network sprays a little rain (or possibly a less clear liquid) on Garrett's parade.

Breer reports that he hears a majority of the players in the locker room "don't like [Garrett] at all."

Of course, it's not a popularity contest. As one league source told us on Sunday morning regarding the current head coach of the Vikings, "Brad Childress is disliked by all."





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Postby Rick » Tue Nov 09, 2010 9:39 am

mikemarrs wrote:As Jason Garrett gets settled in as interim coach of the Cowboys, Albert Breer of NFL Network sprays a little rain (or possibly a less clear liquid) on Garrett's parade.

Breer reports that he hears a majority of the players in the locker room "don't like [Garrett] at all."

Of course, it's not a popularity contest. As one league source told us on Sunday morning regarding the current head coach of the Vikings, "Brad Childress is disliked by all."





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That won't help at all. I have felt he has been tanking the offense ever since he was passed over for the head coaching job the first time. I'd like to see him get his walking papers next. Captain Kangaroo is gone, now just get rid of Opie.
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Postby WalkInMyShoes » Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:29 am

Just saw this on the local news - it's a great trick play, especially for middle school!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Nov 09, 2010 10:45 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
Interesting development for 2011 (or 2012 considering the lockout possibility.) I know Jones wants Cowher, but I don't think Cowher wants ANYTHING to do with Dallas. Fisher would be an interesting grab.



There is a reason that guys like Johnson and Parcells left that douche Jones. The guy has ZERO clue what he's doing and I honestly can't see any NFL coach with a backbone wanting to work for that guy. Johnson and Parcells are the only guys who have had ANY success at all under Jones' ownership and it's because neither guy was afraid to tell that wingnut to go shit in his hat!


Exactly. Like I said above, as long as Jerry Jones is in charge of his own little aurora of limelight, coaches will go to Dallas to act like nothing but a puppet and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the first thing that nutbag Jones tells them.
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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:42 am

8 fucking seconds in, and Cincinnati hands the Stealers the rock on the 20. Great start. :roll: I have seen bullriders stay on longer than the Bengals held onto the ball. Goddammit.

I am still picking the Bengals to win.
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Postby mikemarrs » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:55 am

blocked punt and now the steelers already in the red zone threatening to score again.

special teams is killing cincy.two mistakes already.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Nov 09, 2010 11:58 am

Rockindeano wrote:8 fucking seconds in, and Cincinnati hands the Stealers the rock on the 20. Great start. :roll: I have seen bullriders stay on longer than the Bengals held onto the ball. Goddammit.

I am still picking the Bengals to win.


I would have NEVER of thunk Deano to pick the Bengals over the "Stealers" :lol:

Pittsburgh doing their best impression of New England when they faced Miami. 2 special teams splash plays. Very rare for a Steelers team to force that. We'll take it!
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:04 pm

Rick wrote:
Maui Tom wrote:RT @Dankrup: @TheBigLead KTCK radio station in Dallas reporting Wade Phillips has been fired.


Yep, Jason Garrett will take over. I hope they give him the axe, eventually. Maybe he will prove me wrong. I think he's done an awful job, sulking on the sideline, because he didn't get the head coaching job before.


crazy day in texas for sure.. :lol: wade phillips seemed like such a cool dude too ...but he just couldnt pull them together.. im with you ..garrett hasnt shown anything latley..


paul pasqualoni the defensive line cooridinator as the new defence coach ... that guy has his hands full .. WOW .. dallas secondary looks like they are being paid off to lose..
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:05 pm

Rockindeano wrote:8 fucking seconds in, and Cincinnati hands the Stealers the rock on the 20. Great start. :roll: I have seen bullriders stay on longer than the Bengals held onto the ball. Goddammit.

I am still picking the Bengals to win.


:lol: geesh
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:05 pm

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mikemarrs wrote:blocked punt and now the steelers already in the red zone threatening to score again.

special teams is killing cincy.two mistakes already.



Keep watching, the Bungs are better than this at being inept...this is just a taste of my life the last 35 years...

YCMTSU! :lol:


Haha, keep the faith brotha. This is the same team that swept us last season. Too bad for you guys, we're playing some pissed off football right now.
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