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Postby steveo777 » Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:59 am

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Behshad wrote:Its my nightmare this week with Rasmussens poll , who isnt biased at all. Your nightmare is 8 days from now when the real Ohio "poll" comes out :D Can't wait ! :)


Rasmussen himself may be biased but his poll was tied with only one other polling agency in the last election, just about dead on accurate.


And, that other "dead on accurate" poll ays the race is dead even


We're working on this. People need to be calling ABC, CNN and whatever news companies they can to cry of the outrage that the Benghazi debacle is not being covered for what it is; a pack of lies by the president and the white house. Disgusting! How anyone can vote for Obama since the truth is out is just unfathomable. :evil: :evil: :evil:


What about the CNN report today that October's job numbers will likely not released until AFTER the election. Supposedly there isn't time to get the data together.. They are supposed to be released on Friday.

Nevermind... supposedly they are now going to be released on time after all.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/10/29/labor-department-may-delay-jobs-report/


There are lot's of truths that will not be released until after the election. Wonder why? You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that this administration wants to suppress information and is powerful enough to manipulate even the media. Fortunately, hopefully, there are enough people who can see through this shit and do the right thing.......NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA.
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Postby KenTheDude » Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:31 pm

Because of the storms on the east coast there's been a change in the voting process. Since power will be limited in most areas, the voting places won't be able to handle full voting capacities. So, Republican voters will vote on Tuesday, Nov 6th, and Democrat voters will vote on Wednesday, Nov 7th. Thanks for your cooperation in this matter. :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Postby Behshad » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:18 am

President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney are completely tied in Florida, according to the latest automated poll from SurveyUSA.

The poll shows Obama and Romney each earning the support of 47 percent of likely Sunshine State voters, while the president claims commanding leads among early voters.

Fifty-seven percent of Florida voters who said they have already cast a ballot did so for the president, compared with 42 percent who indicated they have already voted for Romney. Obama also leads by 10 among those who intend to vote early, while Romney holds a 13-point lead among voters who plan to wait for Election Day.

The PollTracker Average currently shows very little separating the two candidates in Florida, which is designated as a toss-up state on the TPM Electoral Scoreboard.


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Postby RedWingFan » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:33 am

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President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney are completely tied in Florida, according to the latest automated poll from SurveyUSA.

The poll shows Obama and Romney each earning the support of 47 percent of likely Sunshine State voters, while the president claims commanding leads among early voters.

Fifty-seven percent of Florida voters who said they have already cast a ballot did so for the president, compared with 42 percent who indicated they have already voted for Romney. Obama also leads by 10 among those who intend to vote early, while Romney holds a 13-point lead among voters who plan to wait for Election Day.

The PollTracker Average currently shows very little separating the two candidates in Florida, which is designated as a toss-up state on the TPM Electoral Scoreboard.


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Postby Behshad » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:41 am

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President Barack Obama and Republican nominee Mitt Romney are completely tied in Florida, according to the latest automated poll from SurveyUSA.

The poll shows Obama and Romney each earning the support of 47 percent of likely Sunshine State voters, while the president claims commanding leads among early voters.

Fifty-seven percent of Florida voters who said they have already cast a ballot did so for the president, compared with 42 percent who indicated they have already voted for Romney. Obama also leads by 10 among those who intend to vote early, while Romney holds a 13-point lead among voters who plan to wait for Election Day.

The PollTracker Average currently shows very little separating the two candidates in Florida, which is designated as a toss-up state on the TPM Electoral Scoreboard.


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Postby Behshad » Wed Oct 31, 2012 12:53 am

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Yep, they are streching it as far as they can before it breaks....



Of course the other side never does such things :lol:


Did you see one of your sources predicting R winning 359 over O 179 ? :lol:
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Oct 31, 2012 1:05 am

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Behshad wrote:Its my nightmare this week with Rasmussens poll , who isnt biased at all. Your nightmare is 8 days from now when the real Ohio "poll" comes out :D Can't wait ! :)


Rasmussen himself may be biased but his poll was tied with only one other polling agency in the last election, just about dead on accurate.


And, that other "dead on accurate" poll ays the race is dead even


What a dolt...I'm referring to the 2008 election, not this year.
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Postby slucero » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:43 am

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too bad most American Idiots would rather argue... instead of actually looking at just how similar the Dem & Rep platforms really are....

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Postby slucero » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:03 am


Did Obama Withhold Cross-Border Authority?

October 30, 2012

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Did Obama Withhold Cross-Border Authority?

Please help me.

I am trying as hard as I can to get out the word about cross-border authority (CBA).

I just can’t believe reporters don’t know enough to ask the right questions! It’s infuriating.

Libya, as far as standing down the rescue, is 100% Obama’s show, and nobody else’s. Only he can grant CBA, not Biden, not Panetta, not Dempsey, not Hillary, and certainly not Ham in Germany.

The entire episode is explained perfectly inside the context of not granting CBA. The CIA QRF in Tripoli? No problem, send them on the local Tripoli station chief’s say-so. He merely informs up COC that he has done so. CCs them so to speak. “This is what I am doing.” Ditto if Predators were in country, no problem using them.

But the big rescue air armada streaming toward Libya right away after the alarm got to Stuttgart and Africom? That has to stop. I believe at the 5pm meeting with Panetta and Biden in the Oval Office, he said, “No outside military intervention,” on the basis that the last report was the “lull” from the consulate, at about 1030 p.m. in Benghazi, when the attack appeared to be over and the situation stabilizing.

(As a soft exception, Obama may have authorized sending an unarmed Predator from outside of Libya, but I am thinking the two Predators were already in-country, and hence available to use within “no CBA granted” rules.)

“No outside military intervention” equals “no cross-border authority” and that constitutes “standing orders” until POTUS changes them. Nobody else can “un-decide” the POTUS decree. The rescue air-armada of C-17s, C-130s and SOF helos like MH-47 Chinooks and Pavehawks cannot proceed directly to Libya without CBA being granted, so instead they are all staged at Sigonella, Sicily.

USN ships are in position to “lilypad” helos for long over-water flights. Airborne tankers are coming into position. SOF forces in Sigonella are going over their gear for different contingencies. Fuming all night as officers keep checking in with operational commanders. “Hold in place, no rescue yet. We can’t find the President, it sounds like,” say the colonels to the majors and captains. 100s of military must know about this. I keep waiting for the conclusive whistle-blowers to come forward BEFORE the election. After won’t matter, it will be for the historians.

Panetta is falling on his sword for Obama with his absurd-on-its-face, “The military doesn’t do risky things” defense of no rescue. Panetta is destroying his future reputation entirely, to save Obama. The question is why? Loyalty?

Petreaus was probably “used” in some way early, about the supposed CIA intel link to the Mohammed video, and now he feels burned. So he conclusively said via his PAO, “The stand-down order did not come from CIA.”




Well, what is higher than CIA? Only the White House.

Obama, nobody else. Petreaus is naming Obama without naming him.




Now, as far as Obama / Huma Abedin / Valerie Jarrett etc actually wanting Ambassador Stevens dead, to terminate the end of the very dirty Libyan arms to Syrian AQ programs, I can’t speculate. Obama is not competent enough, I’m thinking.

But for sure, the ambassador going to unsecure Benghazi on 9-11 of all days stinks to me of a setup. You can bet Stevens would have told the Turks, “No, 9-11 is not a good day for us,” and stayed in Tripoli behind many high and thick walls. For him to go to dangerous Benghazi on 9-11 means the Turks totally insisted, but why would they care about the meeting date, unless they were in on a “hit” as the Judas goat?

Alternatively, ordering Stevens to meet the Turks in Benghazi on 9-11 may have come from down OUR chain of command. Stevens seems to have been wearing two hats as ambassador and CIA arms shipper. Moving between more-secure Tripoli, the Benghazi “consulate,” and the CIA “annex.” So orders to him might come down the State or the CIA commo channels, or both. I am unclear on his job title and true position, but either the CIA or State sends him final instructions. How this works with “dual-hatted” ambassadors, I haven’t a clue.

But Stevens meeting the Turks at the unsecure Benghazi “consulate” on 9-11 stinks to me of a deliberate setup. The Turks left the meeting and probably flashed their headlights to the attack team commanders lurking in shadows. A coded text, a word on a phone, meaning, “The ambassador is there, with minimal security: proceed with the attack plan.”

That is all pure speculation. What I know FOR SURE is that the big “stand down order” issue revolves around granting or withholding cross-border authority.

Every SOF officer and ops officer all the way up has this drummed into his head. We can make Obama respond to this question, even if reporters must shout it at him while he’s doing storm cleanup photo ops. If the reporters KNOW enough to ask the quesion.

That’s why I am shouting all over the internet about CBA.

I can’t believe cross-border authority permission is not one of the top discussion points about Benghazi.

That, and who “set him up” by sending him to Beghazi to meet the Turks on 9-11, with them leaving after dark.

And of course, down the road, was the military rescue-in-progress turned back because Obama actually wanted to make sure the consulate was wiped out? Is that why the spooks at the annex were refused permission to travel the under one mile to intervene? That would connect it all together, but for now, the best focus is on Obama either granting or withholding cross-border authority for the rescue.

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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:15 am

Whoever it is your quoting should write a book and turn it into a movie. Not sure if it's non-fiction or fiction, but there is so much in there they could easily write a book and make a movie out of it.
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Postby slucero » Wed Oct 31, 2012 3:17 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Whoever it is your quoting should write a book and turn it into a movie. Not sure if it's non-fiction or fiction, but there is so much in there they could easily write a book and make a movie out of it.


http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/author.htm

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Postby KenTheDude » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:35 am

So how many pages do you think this thread reaches by election day? I'm thinking close to 600.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed Oct 31, 2012 4:45 am

KenTheDude wrote:So how many pages do you think this thread reaches by election day? I'm thinking close to 600.


Roughly 60 more pages to go in order for that to happen. That would be one long haul in just a week. Though I'm anticipating posting on this thread will increase steadily up to the election and spilling over into the next day or so with the "I told you so's".

Question. So with this huge storm disaster, will that have a positive, negative, neutral effect on who votes for Obama and who votes for Romney? Would there be any effects to the election because of this disaster?
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Postby kgdjpubs » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:25 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:Question. So with this huge storm disaster, will that have a positive, negative, neutral effect on who votes for Obama and who votes for Romney? Would there be any effects to the election because of this disaster?


My guess is that the only effect it will have are the attempts by both campaigns to get people who normally wouldn't vote out to the voting stations. With the hurricane/winter storm, those people are probably more likely to worry about getting their power back, and other odds and ends. Anyone who really wants to vote is going to still show up.

I don't think even an idiot would blame someone for a hurricane, so unless something devastating happens with policy, I doubt you will see all that much of an effect. Still, with massive power outages, I suspect the undecides will get less news coverage between now and election day, so if something did happen to break, they may well be less informed of it.

In the end, whoever loses shouldn't blame the hurricane, even though I'm sure some will try.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:49 am

This is great...Chris Christie telling Steve Doocie off. :lol:

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Postby StevePerryHair » Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:55 am

conversationpc wrote:This is great...Chris Christie telling Steve Doocie off. :lol:

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I am not sure why, but I really like him. I've watched him in interviews over the last year, and he really is a take no crap, say it like it is politician. He also told a news channel today that the president was doing a great job in helping them with federal assistance. That communications were good. His concern is his state, as how it should be. What a mess they have there. I still can't believe what I'm seeing, and I even kind of knew it would be bad like this if they got that part of the storm. I hope he stays the way he is and maybe he can run for president someday.
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Postby slucero » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:17 am

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slucero wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Whoever it is your quoting should write a book and turn it into a movie. Not sure if it's non-fiction or fiction, but there is so much in there they could easily write a book and make a movie out of it.


http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/author.htm


Dang, and people here think I'm a Right Winger. Matthew Bracken can be found peddling his books and BS over at Free Republic. His screen name there is Travis McGee and he's been pushing shit there for years. :roll: Those nuts over there eat that shit up. :wink:



Still doesn't negate his service or his knowledge regarding Seal Ops and special service protocols... which was the point of his post and is STILL the real question regarding Benghazi...

I want the truth known. Regardless if Obama, Bush or Steve Motherfucking Perry is at fault..


The American people deserve no less. Simple as that.

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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:28 am

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Question. So with this huge storm disaster, will that have a positive, negative, neutral effect on who votes for Obama and who votes for Romney? Would there be any effects to the election because of this disaster?


Looking Obama gains big advantage here . An incumbent always has an advantage. In this case:

- Bengazi and libya knocked off the news
- Obama can benefit from the strong leadership of NE Governors by just support
- Romney cant attack and his momentum might get checked
- the late deciders break for the challenger tradition might get thrown askew.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:39 am

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
Question. So with this huge storm disaster, will that have a positive, negative, neutral effect on who votes for Obama and who votes for Romney? Would there be any effects to the election because of this disaster?


Looking Obama gains big advantage here . An incumbent always has an advantage. In this case:

- Bengazi and libya knocked off the news
- Obama can benefit from the strong leadership of NE Governors by just support
- Romney cant attack and his momentum might get checked
- the late deciders break for the challenger tradition might get thrown askew.


I think it's a wash...Obama might be boosted a BIT but likely offset by additional voters not going to the polls because of disaster-related happenings.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:46 am

So what I understand is if anyone benefits from it, it would be Obama, or Obama is the one least likely to be negatively effected by it. How's the Obama administration been with past issuances of disaster relief?
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:53 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:So what I understand is if anyone benefits from it, it would be Obama, or Obama is the one least likely to be negatively effected by it.


any thing that disrupts what was the trajectory of the campaign (which wasnt in Obama's favour) benefits Obama.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed Oct 31, 2012 6:56 am

What are Obama and Romney out doing right now in regards to addressing this disaster?
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:03 am

Fact Finder wrote:

Bracken's novels are part of a recent glut of self published apocalypse fiction incorporating libertarian, populist, survivalist, xenophobic and ultra-conservative themes and rhetoric. Bracken is strictly a conservative, although due to the genre he is writing in his books are unfortunately read by the same people who eagerly devour the obscure novels by John Ross, Neo Andersen, Boston T. Party, David Crawford and James Wesley Rawles. The typical reader of this sort of fiction is someone with libertarian leanings who doesn't entirely "get" libertarianism (especially its non-violent aspects and its wonky roots in Austrian economic theory), and conflates it on several points with militarism, nationalism and nativism.

In short, Mr. Bracken knows his audience and knows how to push all their patriotic, flag waving, paranoid, anti-Mexican, anti-Muslim, nationalist, violence-fetishist buttons. A key piece of evidence is in those dumb book titles. "Enemies", "foreign" and "traitors" are spat out as epithets and the order simply rearranged for each new book.

On the positive side, at least Bracken's novels give these people something to read other than The Turner Diaries, and giving someone one less reason to read The Turner Diaries is probably doing society a favor, however small.


This is all pretty much true. There is some truth in some of the things he says, but I can take anything that is right about what this guy says and point to a much better bit of recommended reading.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:06 am

Reading that quote before even knowing who wrote it, I figured had to be written by someone who's into writing crazy-ass stories and all. Great for books and movies but that's about all.
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Postby slucero » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:35 am

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The Sushi Hunter wrote:Reading that quote before even knowing who wrote it, I figured had to be written by someone who's into writing crazy-ass stories and all. Great for books and movies but that's about all.



Bracken's been writing this shit at Free Republic for years, at least 10 if not longer, and probably can be found at other Right Wing Nut sites. He's out to sell his books and knows about as much about Benghazi as you or I do. He knows what he reads in the papers and on nut sites and he extrapolaits that for personal gain. I remember in the early days of the net that a fellow by the name Michael Rivero used to push all kinds of conspiracy crap about the Kennedy Assination and Moon Landings and Contrails and the Right Wing Nuts at sites like Free Republic ate the shit up, they were easy marks for con men and grifters like the owner of Free Republic and part with their dollars easily. Of course the Left has their own nutbags who push crazy shit like the 9/11 Conspiracy and Flight 93 crap along with Global Warming and other nonsense that some here believe to be true.

That's why I'm here, trying to set em straight. :D



Actually all you are doing is refocusing people's attention on the "forest"... You keep focusing on the messenger.. and forget the question.. very diversionary of you.. like a good political hack would.

Ironically Ohio Senator Bob Portman is asking the very same question... "did Obama deny the QBA"... I guess he's a duly elected conspiracy theorist..


You and Beshad are bookends for what is wrong with this country... Because neither of you "can see the trees for the forest."

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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:50 am

Someone sent me this saying it's Obama's train of hope and change.

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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:08 am

slucero wrote:
Fact Finder wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Reading that quote before even knowing who wrote it, I figured had to be written by someone who's into writing crazy-ass stories and all. Great for books and movies but that's about all.



Bracken's been writing this shit at Free Republic for years, at least 10 if not longer, and probably can be found at other Right Wing Nut sites. He's out to sell his books and knows about as much about Benghazi as you or I do. He knows what he reads in the papers and on nut sites and he extrapolaits that for personal gain. I remember in the early days of the net that a fellow by the name Michael Rivero used to push all kinds of conspiracy crap about the Kennedy Assination and Moon Landings and Contrails and the Right Wing Nuts at sites like Free Republic ate the shit up, they were easy marks for con men and grifters like the owner of Free Republic and part with their dollars easily. Of course the Left has their own nutbags who push crazy shit like the 9/11 Conspiracy and Flight 93 crap along with Global Warming and other nonsense that some here believe to be true.

That's why I'm here, trying to set em straight. :D



Actually all you are doing is refocusing people's attention on the "forest"... You keep focusing on the messenger.. and forget the question.. very diversionary of you.. like a good political hack would.

Ironically Ohio Senator Bob Portman is asking the very same question... "did Obama deny the QBA"... I guess he's a duly elected conspiracy theorist..


You and Beshad are bookends for what is wrong with this country... Because neither of you "can see the trees for the forest."


True What any of of us feel about conspiracy theories or who does and doesn't purport them might be a legit and interesting debate, but it is another debate altogether . Whether the President failed to defend his citizens costing them their lives is the legitimate question everybody should be focusing on- big time.
Its absolutely sickening.

To be fair I have criticized Alan and so many others for the way they seem to put almost blind faith in establishment mainstream Republicans but to be fair I kinda doubt FF is trying to obsure Obama's dereliction of duty!
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Postby Gin and Tonic Sky » Wed Oct 31, 2012 9:16 am

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BTW, what is wrong with this Country is liberalism and the Governmental hold it places on peoples lives rather than setting them up to be self sufficient members of a productive and working society. .


Having stuck up for you two posts above this is where I feel inclined to take you to task. I agree with the first part of your statement about govt placing an unjust hold on folks. you lose me with the statement "rather than setting them up to be self sufficient members of a productive society" This isn't the role if of govt. Govt has no right or duty to set any body up to be productive and self sufficient. People have natural rights and the exercise of them is what is called the pursuit of happiness.. The role of govt is to do nothing other than protect people from fraud or aggression and defend them from those that would violate those rights as those individuals exercise them. Nothing more whatsoever.

it isn't supposed to set them up to be anything(or shield them from the consequences of their own lack of taking responsibility).The aim of just govt is not to set up a productive society. it is to defend individual rights so individuals can set up a productive society themselves.

you might think I'm being pedantic here, but a hell of a lot of government compulsion and miserable big govt has come from "conservatives" trying to set people up to be self sufficient. in fact setting folks up to be self sufficient are terms used by lefty political philosophers like Rawls, Kymlicka, Nagel, and countless other morons who concoct fancy theories to justify big govt.
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Postby conversationpc » Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:37 am

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:you lose me with the statement "rather than setting them up to be self sufficient members of a productive society" This isn't the role if of govt. Govt has no right or duty to set any body up to be productive and self sufficient. People have natural rights and the exercise of them is what is called the pursuit of happiness..


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it isn't supposed to set them up to be anything(or shield them from the consequences of their own lack of taking responsibility).The aim of just govt is not to set up a productive society. it is to defend individual rights so individuals can set up a productive society themselves.

you might think I'm being pedantic here, but a hell of a lot of government compulsion and miserable big govt has come from "conservatives" trying to set people up to be self sufficient. in fact setting folks up to be self sufficient are terms used by lefty political philosophers like Rawls, Kymlicka, Nagel, and countless other morons who concoct fancy theories to justify big govt.


Exactly...I think true conservatives still have this right. It's the neocons (people like John McCain) that don't. Basically what you're saying is government needs to get the hell out of the way, i.e. burdensome regulations, high taxes, etc.
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