President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

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Postby Boomchild » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:09 pm

Memorex wrote:I truly despise when intelligent people get roped in to such things. I was there once brother, but I saw the light. There is hope. Just take a step back and look at all the fraud that goes on with this stuff. Follow the money and you too shall have eyes opened.


What????? Are you trying to suggest that a scientist could be "bought off"?? Nah, that can't be. The reality check is that more then likely mankind will end up destroying itself long before the environment would.
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Postby steveo777 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:18 pm

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Memorex wrote:I truly despise when intelligent people get roped in to such things. I was there once brother, but I saw the light. There is hope. Just take a step back and look at all the fraud that goes on with this stuff. Follow the money and you too shall have eyes opened.


What????? Are you trying to suggest that a scientist could be "bought off"?? Nah, that can't be. The reality check is that more then likely mankind will end up destroying itself long before the environment would.


Obama is one mistep away from some other country nuking or at least trying to nuke us. Makes me real comfortable............... NOT! :shock:

Can't say I sleep well at night with the chump in charge.
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Postby Boomchild » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:19 pm

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I do too. They mindlessly voted him in because of the money. Money makes people forget what is really important......like the well being of an entire country. Many of these voters suffer from W.I.I.F.M. syndrome. What's in it for me and what can my government do for me that I won't do for myself, seems to be the metality of many of these voters. :roll: :shock:


And when the government runs out of money to hand out or the dollar becomes basically a worthless piece of paper they will look around and think WTF happened. Honestly B.O. could have saved himself boatloads of campaign dollars if he just printed "Free Stuff for Everbody" signs and fliers.
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Postby Boomchild » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:23 pm

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Obama is one mistep away from some other country nuking or at least trying to nuke us. Makes me real comfortable............... NOT! :shock:

Can't say I sleep well at night with the chump in charge.


Would you sleep better knowing that the person B.O. wants to appoint as the Secretary of Defense would like to get rid of all our nuclear weapons? Honestly, what fairytale world are these people living in?
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Postby steveo777 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:24 pm

People are "gunning up" in record numbers. Sharp increases in fire arm sales must mean people think we are being governed by a tyrant.
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Postby Boomchild » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:28 pm

steveo777 wrote:People are "gunning up" in record numbers. Sharp increases in fire arm sales must mean people think we are being governed by a tyrant.


And the government is building more "FEMA Camps". A Nice home away from home for these radical gun owners should they get restless!
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:10 am

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Memorex wrote:I truly despise when intelligent people get roped in to such things. I was there once brother, but I saw the light. There is hope. Just take a step back and look at all the fraud that goes on with this stuff. Follow the money and you too shall have eyes opened.


What????? Are you trying to suggest that a scientist could be "bought off"?? Nah, that can't be. The reality check is that more then likely mankind will end up destroying itself long before the environment would.


I agree.
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Postby verslibre » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:32 am

Boomchild wrote:
Memorex wrote:I truly despise when intelligent people get roped in to such things. I was there once brother, but I saw the light. There is hope. Just take a step back and look at all the fraud that goes on with this stuff. Follow the money and you too shall have eyes opened.


What????? Are you trying to suggest that a scientist could be "bought off"?? Nah, that can't be. The reality check is that more then likely mankind will end up destroying itself long before the environment would.


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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:36 am

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I do too. They mindlessly voted him in because of the money. Money makes people forget what is really important......like the well being of an entire country. Many of these voters suffer from W.I.I.F.M. syndrome. What's in it for me and what can my government do for me that I won't do for myself, seems to be the metality of many of these voters. :roll: :shock:


And when the government runs out of money to hand out or the dollar becomes basically a worthless piece of paper they will look around and think WTF happened. Honestly B.O. could have saved himself boatloads of campaign dollars if he just printed "Free Stuff for Everbody" signs and fliers.


In the mean time, BO raises America's Federal debt ceiling and claims that's a victory. Fucking stupid! No different than like if I had a credit card with a $10,000 limit and spent all of it on stupid shit. But instead of using common sense and change my spending habits, I increase my card's line of credit to $20,000 and spend more money on more stupid shit. That's exactly what BO and Company did.
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Postby Boomchild » Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:44 am

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Boomchild wrote:
Memorex wrote:I truly despise when intelligent people get roped in to such things. I was there once brother, but I saw the light. There is hope. Just take a step back and look at all the fraud that goes on with this stuff. Follow the money and you too shall have eyes opened.


What????? Are you trying to suggest that a scientist could be "bought off"?? Nah, that can't be. The reality check is that more then likely mankind will end up destroying itself long before the environment would.


I've already got my shotgun, crossbow, leathers and muscle car that runs on piss. I'm importing a dingo.


You really need to add an eye patch to that inventory. It will give you that real "I mean business, rebel look"! 8)
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Postby Boomchild » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:00 am

The Sushi Hunter wrote:In the mean time, BO raises America's Federal debt ceiling and claims that's a victory. Fucking stupid! No different than like if I had a credit card with a $10,000 limit and spent all of it on stupid shit. But instead of using common sense and change my spending habits, I increase my card's line of credit to $20,000 and spend more money on more stupid shit. That's exactly what BO and Company did.


Well, if you are B.O. you would think that the government does not have a spending problem. A recent report shows those were B.O.'s exact words during the "fiscal cliff" talks. Now, people have been asking about examples of where B.O. is responsible for adding to the fiscal mess we are in. This is a prime example. I cannot see anyone, no matter what party they are affiliated with agreeing that the Federal Government does not have a spending problem.
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Postby Boomchild » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:06 am

On the subject of entitlement programs, a news report about a theft of purse from a car reported that the purse was a $200 designer hand bag and contained a wallet with $800 in cash, credit cards and FOOD STAMP CARDS. I guess everyone is really struggling these days!
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:18 am

Memorex - as always, I have the utmost respect for your well thought out posts and ideas.

Without having researched the idea, I would imagine that Big Wind and Big Windmill have significantly less power in the halls of Congress than, say, Big Oil and Detroit. Can you provide examples of which non-environment based corporations would benefit from increased regulation? I'm more than willing to bend here.
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Postby Memorex » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:45 am

Seven Wishes wrote:Memorex - as always, I have the utmost respect for your well thought out posts and ideas.

Without having researched the idea, I would imagine that Big Wind and Big Windmill have significantly less power in the halls of Congress than, say, Big Oil and Detroit. Can you provide examples of which non-environment based corporations would benefit from increased regulation? I'm more than willing to bend here.


To me, oil and such have become an enemy. And therefore some think users of such things should be punished.

If you look at Al Gore, who is obviously the most well-known "profit" of doom, we all obviously know how much money he made from scaring people. From his movie, from his investments, etc. So that's an easy one.

When you look at scientists, and you read their emails or their papers, or whatever - they start with a premise. We must save the world. We must act now. And they clearly do not want to be wrong. Look at the new UN report about Sun activity. You can't tell me that these people really want to put this information out. They HATE that humans aren't nearly the cause that they said. The UN wants to tax rich wasteful countries like ours and give the money to poor countries. So they want it to be our fault.

I used to be all caught up in the movement. Save the planet. But then I started realizing - that movement wanted me to believe that people are evil. That people are destroying everything. They wanted me to start off believing that I must change people. I started hating the way I was seeing my fellow man. So I opened my eyes and went whoa, I've been had!

Now, I firmly believe we should do all we can to make the air cleaner, keep things safe for food and the oceans and all that. But I also know that the ocean leaks far more oil naturally in a day than BP lost in the gulf during that whole ordeal. So I think ok, some birds died and tourists were put out and people lost work. But for all the good oil does and for the absolute zero long-term affect of that spill on the environment, I'm not going to demonize a company for bringing to market the things we need to survive or make our lives better. That said, they should be held responsible for any mistakes they made by lack of effort.

Here's a test. Make a list of the pain caused by these oil spills. Battered land, dead animals, out of work fisherman, changed local eco system. Then put next to that a list of the pains that would be caused if we stopped the production of oil and coal. You wouldn't have enough paper and the death rate around the world would skyrocket. Nearly every economy would crash.

All this to say - we are not there yet. We have not invented good, cheap sources of alternative energies and ways to create product. We will. We went from walking on our knuckles to building skyscrapers. I have no doubt someone will harness something that will replace oil. We better, or we'll run out. But it's not us and it's not now, until it is. So don't punish the people that are trying to serve the needs of the world now. Don't punish the poor people and old people that can't afford high gas and heating prices. Don't subsidize an industry that simply is never going to turn a profit. Let companies build products that work without a ton of government help. I'm not saying eliminate all help, but most. If a product has a chance, it will make it to market.

And stop measuring the destructive nature of storms by their cost. Things cost more as the years go on and different places cost more than others. A storm may hit one way VS another and so it costs more or more people die. They said Sally was this huge powerful storm, etc. Yea - two storm systems got together by chance and it hit some really rich neighborhoods. We've seen lots of storms bigger than that. Not trying to downplay the pain it caused people.

And be sure of your science and do it without an agenda. And if the humans are heating the planet, we'll adapt. And we'll survive. Maybe not everyone, but that was never the intention of life.

Next time you hear a news report about the hottest day or the coldest day, listen for the part that says "since". It's the hottest day since 1953. To me, that means it was pretty frickin hot back in 1953.
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Postby Memorex » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:47 am

And by the way - I 100% know, as anyone should, that big oil has the ears of Democrats and Republicans, and let's face it, Al Gore. Politicians need to do what is right and what makes sense, regardless of the company. So I'm not saying give them a pass. Just make sure we appreciate their efforts in making our lives better.
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:54 am

Memorex wrote:Here's a test. Make a list of the pain caused by these oil spills. Battered land, dead animals, out of work fisherman, changed local eco system. Then put next to that a list of the pains that would be caused if we stopped the production of oil and coal. You wouldn't have enough paper and the death rate around the world would skyrocket. Nearly every economy would crash.


One of the best posts I've read in seven years on this forum. Well stated. I never thought of it from that perspective before.
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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:47 am

Interesting how I've never heard of any of these anti-oil people refusing to be driven to the hospital in a fossil fuel burning ambulance during a medical emergency.
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Postby Memorex » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:41 am

Seven Wishes wrote:
Memorex wrote:Here's a test. Make a list of the pain caused by these oil spills. Battered land, dead animals, out of work fisherman, changed local eco system. Then put next to that a list of the pains that would be caused if we stopped the production of oil and coal. You wouldn't have enough paper and the death rate around the world would skyrocket. Nearly every economy would crash.


One of the best posts I've read in seven years on this forum. Well stated. I never thought of it from that perspective before.


Thank you sir.

I hope no one thinks that I think we should let oil companies run without regulation and oversight. God no. I remember the 70's. But our government now is putting good, hard working Americans out of work and costing us billions in high prices without having a serious alternative. And that hurts the poor right where it counts.
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Postby slucero » Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:05 am

People forget that there is a fundamental difference when talking about energy for transportation vs energy for electricity.

Transportation energy is largely fossil-fuel based for a reason. That is because fossil fuels have the highest energy-density-per-fuel-unit, and the cost/benefit of switching, in infrastructure and vehicles is simply not there, and will likely never be.

Then there's non-transportation fuels, of which electricity production is the larges result. A simple glance at the chart below shows the same cost/benefit issue with solar.

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Natural gas is the clear winner.. simply because the cost of getting it out of the ground is FAR less than the cost of mining solar power AND (like oil) it is available in large enough quantities to achieve economies of scale.


Economics has, and always will drive this.

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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:31 am

Of course the fucker lies, and all the fuckers under him will lie for him as well.

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Postby Memorex » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:32 am

Fact Finder wrote:Panetta: Obama Absent Night of Benghazi

Daniel Halper February 7, 2013 12:05 PM

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta testified this morning on Capitol Hill that President Barack Obama was absent the night four Americans were murdered in Benghazi on September 11, 2012:

Panetta said that Obama left operational details, including knowledge of what resources were available to help the Americans under siege, "up to us."

In fact, Panetta says that the night of 9/11, he did not communicate with a single person at the White House. The attack resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

Panetta said that, save their 5 o'clock prescheduled meeting with the president the day of September 11, Obama did not call or communicate in anyway with the defense secretary that day. There were no calls about what was going on in Benghazi. He never called to check-in.


That's just malfeasance all the way around.
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Postby steveo777 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:47 am

Fact Finder wrote:Panetta: Obama Absent Night of Benghazi

Daniel Halper February 7, 2013 12:05 PM

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta testified this morning on Capitol Hill that President Barack Obama was absent the night four Americans were murdered in Benghazi on September 11, 2012:

Panetta said that Obama left operational details, including knowledge of what resources were available to help the Americans under siege, "up to us."

In fact, Panetta says that the night of 9/11, he did not communicate with a single person at the White House. The attack resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

Panetta said that, save their 5 o'clock prescheduled meeting with the president the day of September 11, Obama did not call or communicate in anyway with the defense secretary that day. There were no calls about what was going on in Benghazi. He never called to check-in.


Please link to your quotes for authenticity, as well as to properly credit your source. :wink:
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:20 pm

Hypocrites. You guys are too much.

Reagan's incompetence was directly responsible for the death of 241 Americans!!!!

In the attack on the American Marines barracks, the death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 marines, 18 sailors and three soldiers, along with sixty Americans injured, representing the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima of World War II, the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States military since the first day of the Tet Offensive during the Vietnam War, and the deadliest single attack on Americans overseas since World War II.

Indeed, a despicable act it was. And it was entirely predictable.

Years later Caspar "Cap" Weinberger, Reagan's Secretary of Defense at the time of the attack bitterly recalled "imploring" Reagan to pull the Marines out of a situation he considered untenable:

A former defense secretary for Ronald Reagan says he implored the president to put Marines serving in Beirut in a safer position before terrorists attacked them in 1983, killing 241 servicemen.

"I was not persuasive enough to persuade the president that the Marines were there on an impossible mission," Caspar Weinberger says in an oral history project capturing the views of former Reagan administration officials.

[H]e said one of his greatest regrets was in failing to overcome the arguments that '"Marines don't cut and run,' and 'We can't leave because we're there'" before the devastating suicide attack on the lightly armed force.

"They had no mission but to sit at the airport, which is just like sitting in a bull's-eye," Weinberger said. "I begged the president at least to pull them back and put them back on their transports as a more defensible position."
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Postby Seven Wishes2 » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:24 pm

Shortly after the barracks bombing, President Ronald Reagan appointed a military fact-finding committee headed by retired Admiral Robert L. J. Long to investigate the bombing. The commission's report found senior military officials responsible for security lapses and blamed the military chain of command for the disaster. It suggested that there might have been many fewer deaths if the barracks guards had carried loaded weapons and a barrier more substantial than the barbed wire the bomber drove over easily.

The 1983 U.S. embassy bombing was a suicide bombing against the United States embassy in Beirut, Lebanon, on April 18, 1983, that killed 63 people, mostly embassy and CIA staff members, several soldiers and one Marine. 17 of the dead were Americans. It was the deadliest attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission up to that time; on September 20, 1984, another car bomb exploded at this embassy annex, killing twenty Lebanese and two American soldiers.
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Postby slucero » Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:25 pm

Hypocritical is anybody who supports a Democrat or a Republican, or engages in tit-for-tat arguing that one party has more (or less) culpability than the other..

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Postby Boomchild » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:46 pm

To me it's clear that this whole thing was downplayed at the time in order to try and not bring attention to the fact that B.O.'s statements on the campaign trial "we have beaten back the terrorists ability to act" not being so true. This obviously was covered up b/c of the election. They certainly had resources available to back up and assist. Military personnel have come forward exposing this. If we couldn't then that's not putting our military structure in a good light. I think they hoped that they would have been able to take care of it with the resources they had on-site so as not to make the situation look like a big deal and it came back to bite them in the ass.
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Postby Boomchild » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:50 pm

slucero wrote:Hypocritical is anybody who supports a Democrat or a Republican, or engages in tit-for-tat arguing that one party has more (or less) culpability than the other..


That's because they do not have a good enough reason to explain B.O. and his administration's actions in this matter. Their using the typical "deflect tactic". The current administration does this all the time and so do the supporters of it.
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Postby slucero » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:53 pm

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slucero wrote:Hypocritical is anybody who supports a Democrat or a Republican, or engages in tit-for-tat arguing that one party has more (or less) culpability than the other..


That's because they do not have a good enough reason to explain B.O. and his administration's actions in this matter. Their using the typical "deflect tactic". The current administration does this all the time and so do the supporters of it.



Dude... Bush did the same fucking thing...


At this point supporting either party is insanely stupid... they have not served "the People" in a long time..

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Postby The Sushi Hunter » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:09 am

It's all fun and games, til someone shows up to work with a loaded firearm.
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Postby Boomchild » Sat Feb 09, 2013 9:45 am

slucero wrote:
Boomchild wrote:
slucero wrote:Hypocritical is anybody who supports a Democrat or a Republican, or engages in tit-for-tat arguing that one party has more (or less) culpability than the other..


That's because they do not have a good enough reason to explain B.O. and his administration's actions in this matter. Their using the typical "deflect tactic". The current administration does this all the time and so do the supporters of it.



Dude... Bush did the same fucking thing...


At this point supporting either party is insanely stupid... they have not served "the People" in a long time..


Didn't say that the Bush administration didn't. I don't support any of the parties.
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