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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:26 am

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Memorex wrote:Wow.

In a Gallup tracking poll released Tuesday, former-President George W. Bush currently stands with a favorability rating of 49%, compared to 46% who see the 43rd president unfavorably. Meanwhile, another Gallup poll shows President Obama with only a 47% approval rating, with 44% disapproving.


People who approve of Obama to that rate, simply ain't paying attention. I guess as long as the welfare checks keep rolling in and the crack pipe stays hot, no problem for them. :wink:


Lol! Yeah, keep those crack pipes on line. So did it really take electing BOzo for anyone to realize this is where it all was going?
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:45 am

Fact Finder wrote:Man, everyone needs to look at that site I just linked..YCMTSU! Hilarious yet sad stuff.


http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/


Yeah, reading it and then looking at what BOzo has actually been doing while in office, what a crock of shit!
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:56 am

I'm not sure what President Obama's intentions were. I mean, who can tell what any politician really wants? But his mistake was over=promising, over-criticizing, and not communicating as strongly when his position changed. He stopped communicating with the public once he realized half the country was always going to find fault.

I've heard him say a few times that things were different and harder than he thought. But he spoke those things softly and in a matter-of-fact tone. Instead, he seems to have taken the approach of "listen to what I say, don't look at what I do." All the while still criticizing those he is nearly copying.

I've never witnessed a more secretive administration and because of what he communicates, it's that much more glaring. He ought to just come out and be more honest and look less hypocritical. I think he'd gain a lot of credit for that.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:06 pm

Memorex wrote:I'm not sure what President Obama's intentions were. I mean, who can tell what any politician really wants? But his mistake was over=promising, over-criticizing, and not communicating as strongly when his position changed. He stopped communicating with the public once he realized half the country was always going to find fault.

I've heard him say a few times that things were different and harder than he thought. But he spoke those things softly and in a matter-of-fact tone. Instead, he seems to have taken the approach of "listen to what I say, don't look at what I do." All the while still criticizing those he is nearly copying.

I've never witnessed a more secretive administration and because of what he communicates, it's that much more glaring. He ought to just come out and be more honest and look less hypocritical. I think he'd gain a lot of credit for that.


So much for a more transparent government he was talking about while running for office. Did anyone really believe that?
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:09 pm

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Memorex wrote:Wow.

In a Gallup tracking poll released Tuesday, former-President George W. Bush currently stands with a favorability rating of 49%, compared to 46% who see the 43rd president unfavorably. Meanwhile, another Gallup poll shows President Obama with only a 47% approval rating, with 44% disapproving.


People who approve of Obama to that rate, simply ain't paying attention. I guess as long as the welfare checks keep rolling in and the crack pipe stays hot, no problem for them. :wink:


And when the government checks and benefits run out, you can be sure they will be blaming Bush or the Republican party for it. It won't be their good buddy Barry.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby steveo777 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:58 pm

Glen Beck supposedly really has something this time. News within 24 hours that will bring down the entire power structure. The whistleblower claims he is "dead".
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:16 pm

He's done this before.... and it was nothing..

... so this better be something... or whats left of his credibility is gonna dissipate pretty quick..

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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby steveo777 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:30 pm

slucero wrote:He's done this before.... and it was nothing..

... so this better be something... or whats left of his credibility is gonna dissipate pretty quick..


That is my stance too......crying wolf again. Maybe, for the first time he has a lock. If not, I agree, he's done.

I've been telling all my conspiracy theorists lately, PUT THE FUCKING MEAT AND PUDDING ON THE TABLE, or SHUT THE FUCK UP and GO AWAY! Be done with it. It either is or it isn't. Nothing really hard about that is there?
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby conversationpc » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:52 pm

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slucero wrote:He's done this before.... and it was nothing..

... so this better be something... or whats left of his credibility is gonna dissipate pretty quick..


That is my stance too......crying wolf again. Maybe, for the first time he has a lock. If not, I agree, he's done.

I've been telling all my conspiracy theorists lately, PUT THE FUCKING MEAT AND PUDDING ON THE TABLE, or SHUT THE FUCK UP and GO AWAY! Be done with it. It either is or it isn't. Nothing really hard about that is there?


My thoughts on this since I've listened to his show for going on nine years now...

He's either:

A. Got something really important like he says.

B. Got something that, in his mind, is really important that the rest of us either think is ho-hum or marginally important but he's convinced himself that it's history-making anyway.

C. Been set up for a fall by someone in either major party who'd just love to see him fail miserably. Even so, if this is the case, it's still much his fault if he hasn't done his homework. Regardless, he's made so many enemies in both the Democrat AND Republican parties that you just know someone's out to try to get him regardless of what happens.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:55 pm

I think Beck looks at things and really gets concerned about things but most people either don't care or they assume these things happen anyway, or they figure if it's coming from Beck, it must be crazy.

I don't listen to or watch Beck, but I know people that do and they say say he is generally not wrong and he goes after both sides, but that he is so melodramatic that it's hard to relate with him. Someone told me that he has stopped saying "Obama" - not sure why. Stunts like that don't do anyone a bit of good.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby conversationpc » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:29 am

Memorex wrote:I think Beck looks at things and really gets concerned about things but most people either don't care or they assume these things happen anyway, or they figure if it's coming from Beck, it must be crazy.

I don't listen to or watch Beck, but I know people that do and they say say he is generally not wrong and he goes after both sides, but that he is so melodramatic that it's hard to relate with him. Someone told me that he has stopped saying "Obama" - not sure why. Stunts like that don't do anyone a bit of good.


Yeah, they've substituted "That Guy" for Obama and Beck and his two co-hosts are fined $25 each time they use Obama's real name. It's kind of funny, actually.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:37 am

Seems to me that Beck says he is about respecting institutions and such. A president, regardless of whether you agree with him or not, is elected by the people of the country and should be afforded a certain level of respect. To be a national figure and refer tot he president as "that guy" as a rule is petty. Just my opinion.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby conversationpc » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:49 am

Memorex wrote:Seems to me that Beck says he is about respecting institutions and such. A president, regardless of whether you agree with him or not, is elected by the people of the country and should be afforded a certain level of respect. To be a national figure and refer tot he president as "that guy" as a rule is petty. Just my opinion.


Showing respect to those who deserve it is certainly expected. However, I think we're past the point of showing respect to most politicians who've proven they don't deserve it by their actions despite their title. I will say unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, etc., that Beck constantly reminds the viewers to pray for the President and his family and their safety despite the objections we have with him. I'm not a Beck apologist on everything he says as I disagree with him on some things and definitely think he blows things out of proportion sometimes but I think, despite the "That Guy" thing, he has more respect for the office of the President than most of the other conservative talk show hosts out there who never have a good word to say about Obama, even when it comes to just praying for him.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Memorex » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:14 am

Good point. That's one reason I have trouble listening to any talk show host. No one person or one party is wrong on EVERYTHING. You have to be able to look at each issue and decide and it should not matter who it's coming from. I actually wish our system of voting was issue based, not party based. Some think that's the same thing and it is only that way because that's where people have been led.


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Memorex wrote:Seems to me that Beck says he is about respecting institutions and such. A president, regardless of whether you agree with him or not, is elected by the people of the country and should be afforded a certain level of respect. To be a national figure and refer tot he president as "that guy" as a rule is petty. Just my opinion.


Showing respect to those who deserve it is certainly expected. However, I think we're past the point of showing respect to most politicians who've proven they don't deserve it by their actions despite their title. I will say unlike Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, etc., that Beck constantly reminds the viewers to pray for the President and his family and their safety despite the objections we have with him. I'm not a Beck apologist on everything he says as I disagree with him on some things and definitely think he blows things out of proportion sometimes but I think, despite the "That Guy" thing, he has more respect for the office of the President than most of the other conservative talk show hosts out there who never have a good word to say about Obama, even when it comes to just praying for him.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:01 am

slucero wrote:He's done this before.... and it was nothing..

... so this better be something... or whats left of his credibility is gonna dissipate pretty quick..


Yeah, this is probably just a stunt to get a bunch of people pumped up on something bad happening. But really, if it were true, do you really want something like that to happen? Would you really want something that this guy is hinting as a civil war type of situation? I wouldn't. Sure things are fucked in America but I still enjoy life as it is. It could get a lot worse. Look what's happening in Syria right now with their little civil war going on. The taliban is now moving in to fight along with the civilians. This is what could and would happen in the U.S. if we entered into a civil war. Who would want this to happen?
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:33 am

Memorex wrote:I think Beck looks at things and really gets concerned about things but most people either don't care or they assume these things happen anyway, or they figure if it's coming from Beck, it must be crazy.

I don't listen to or watch Beck, but I know people that do and they say say he is generally not wrong and he goes after both sides, but that he is so melodramatic that it's hard to relate with him. Someone told me that he has stopped saying "Obama" - not sure why. Stunts like that don't do anyone a bit of good.


Like many water-carrying, line-toeing GOPers, Beck only became "even-handed" once his hero, Bush, became so politically unpopular that he risked losing new and current viewers/listeners. It's funny, as you scan ur car radio dial, every host from Savage to Beck is now stepping over each other to bash Bush while essentially promoting the same insane Bush policies. In the run-up to Iraq thru the passing of the Patriot Act, Beck was a cheerleader. Now he wants to be some weird hybrid of Paul Revere, Walt Disney, and Jerry Falwell. As Breitbart indicated before he passed away, Beck has big powerful investors. How else to explain Beck's meteoric rise from AM radio to CNN to Fox News to "author" to The Blaze media network? It's certainly not on the strength of his talent. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Beck actually gets financing from the LDS Mormon church.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby verslibre » Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:56 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:It's funny, as you scan ur car radio dial, every host from Savage to Beck is now stepping over each other to bash Bush while essentially promoting the same insane Bush policies.


As in Michael Savage? He's always been critical of Bush. He ripped him when he first signed the Patriot Act into law. Savage is an Independent, not a Democrat or Republican.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The Sushi Hunter » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:19 am

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:It's funny, as you scan ur car radio dial, every host from Savage to Beck is now stepping over each other to bash Bush while essentially promoting the same insane Bush policies.


As in Michael Savage? He's always been critical of Bush. He ripped him when he first signed the Patriot Act into law. Savage is an Independent, not a Democrat or Republican.


I've listened to Savage a time or so in the past and he may be ok, but to me he just seems to come across as just a little bit koo koo at times.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby conversationpc » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:26 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:It's funny, as you scan ur car radio dial, every host from Savage to Beck is now stepping over each other to bash Bush while essentially promoting the same insane Bush policies.


As much as I can't stand Michael Weiner, he was never much of a Bush supporter that I could tell. Now, I didn't even hear a lick of his program until probably well into at least Bush's first term, if it wasn't during the second. Anyway, enough of Savage as I'm not really that acquainted with him other than his propensity to puff himself up and claim that all ideas that other talk show hosts have were originally his and were stolen from him. Next!

In the run-up to Iraq thru the passing of the Patriot Act, Beck was a cheerleader.


I initially thought the Patriot Act was a decent idea as well until I learned more about it and eventually found myself opposing it (this was prior to my being even familiar with Beck's name, mind you). So it's not out of the realm of possibility that someone can have a change of heart on a particular piece of legislation.

As Breitbart indicated before he passed away, Beck has big powerful investors. How else to explain Beck's meteoric rise from AM radio to CNN to Fox News to "author" to The Blaze media network? It's certainly not on the strength of his talent. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Beck actually gets financing from the LDS Mormon church.


So now Breitbart is a source for you? :lol: Anyway...Dude, you crack me up. A while back, in my beginning days here on MR, you were telling me that at least "Beck has on-air talent". Now you've changed your tune (like you claim Beck has) and say he basically doesn't. On another note, with all the blather in your statement here, you seem to be as much of a conspiracy theorist as you claim Beck to be. Next thing you know I'll be seeing your taco emblem on Alex Jones' show. :lol: :lol:
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:50 pm

verslibre wrote:As in Michael Savage? He's always been critical of Bush. He ripped him when he first signed the Patriot Act into law.


LMAO. Not hardly. Even tonight Savage said he was in favor of the original Bush version of the Patriot Act, because the legislation was narrow and targeted - which, in addition to proving that Savage is/was a GOP ass licker, is also a total lie. During 2004, Savage also campaigned on-air for Bush as hard as humanly possible.


verslibre wrote:Savage is an Independent, not a Democrat or Republican.


No, he's a radio talk show host who says outrageous things.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:52 pm

conversationpc wrote:So now Breitbart is a source for you? :lol: Anyway...Dude, you crack me up. A while back, in my beginning days here on MR, you were telling me that at least "Beck has on-air talent". Now you've changed your tune (like you claim Beck has) and say he basically doesn't. On another note, with all the blather in your statement here, you seem to be as much of a conspiracy theorist as you claim Beck to be. Next thing you know I'll be seeing your taco emblem on Alex Jones' show. :lol: :lol:


The show has changed, Dave. You can't deny that. Stuff like Friday Moron trivia was fucking funny. Now the show is mostly 3 hours of Beck either asking for listeners' money, or Stu trying to sound witty and sarcastic and just failing.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby verslibre » Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:59 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
verslibre wrote:As in Michael Savage? He's always been critical of Bush. He ripped him when he first signed the Patriot Act into law.


LMAO. Not hardly. Even tonight Savage said he was in favor of the original Bush version of the Patriot Act, because the legislation was narrow and targeted - which, in addition to proving that Savage is/was a GOP ass licker, is also a total lie. During 2004, Savage also campaigned on-air for Bush as hard as humanly possible.


verslibre wrote:Savage is an Independent, not a Democrat or Republican.


No, he's a radio talk show host who says outrageous things.


At my old work I used to keep it on talk radio AM (before I got Sirius, so now it's Howard Stern, followed by music :mrgreen: ), and I used to catch the very first hour of his show during the very last hour of the job. The day Bush signed the PA, Savage talked about it like it portended certain doom. He was definitely not comfortable with it at the outset. I haven't listened to him in a while, so IF he's saying he favors Shrub's version, I'm sure it's simply because he can't stand O and the Democratic party. He IS an Independent and he does not like Democrats. And he loathes O. I'm sure that much has not changed. :lol:
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:11 pm

Memorex wrote:Seems to me that Beck says he is about respecting institutions and such. A president, regardless of whether you agree with him or not, is elected by the people of the country and should be afforded a certain level of respect. To be a national figure and refer tot he president as "that guy" as a rule is petty. Just my opinion.


This kind of thing is wide spread in media. Whether your talking about liberal or conservative media. When President Bush was in office mainstream media in a lot of cases kept referring to him just as George Bush instead of putting the title in front of his name. On the subject of respect, why is it that when President Obama is saluted by a military officer(s) he never seems to return the salute?
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:25 pm

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The_Noble_Cause wrote:It's funny, as you scan ur car radio dial, every host from Savage to Beck is now stepping over each other to bash Bush while essentially promoting the same insane Bush policies.


As in Michael Savage? He's always been critical of Bush. He ripped him when he first signed the Patriot Act into law. Savage is an Independent, not a Democrat or Republican.


The problem I have with a lot of these radio talk show host is that talk and talk about what's wrong with our government but, I don't hear what are they personally trying to do to change it. Savage comes to mind. He goes on and on and yet he does nothing personally. There are some that seem to. Mark Levin has his Landmark Legal Foundation which along with other organizations goes after the government on actions that are in violation of the constitution.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:30 pm

Boomchild wrote:When President Bush was in office mainstream media in a lot of cases kept referring to him just as George Bush instead of putting the title in front of his name.

In the news media? Do you have any examples of this?

Boomchild wrote:On the subject of respect, why is it that when President Obama is saluted by a military officer(s) he never seems to return the salute?


Yea, and why doesn't he says the pledge of allegiance at the start of each oval office pizza party? Did you hear his first decision in office was to burn the dvd copies of Schoolhouse Rock in the White House nursery? You guys are so desperate to confirm your own racist paranoid Manchurian projections, it's pathetic. BTW, the salute didn't start until Reagan and never should have started. Next thing you know, we will have presidents in flight suits pretending to be decorated military warriors. Oh wait....
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:00 pm

Boomchild wrote:
verslibre wrote:
The_Noble_Cause wrote:It's funny, as you scan ur car radio dial, every host from Savage to Beck is now stepping over each other to bash Bush while essentially promoting the same insane Bush policies.


As in Michael Savage? He's always been critical of Bush. He ripped him when he first signed the Patriot Act into law. Savage is an Independent, not a Democrat or Republican.


The problem I have with a lot of these radio talk show host is that talk and talk about what's wrong with our government but, I don't hear what are they personally trying to do to change it. Savage comes to mind. He goes on and on and yet he does nothing personally. There are some that seem to. Mark Levin has his Landmark Legal Foundation which along with other organizations goes after the government on actions that are in violation of the constitution.


Levin, for what its worth, seems to have a consistent ideological worldview, and also had real government experience. Savage, acts bi-polar. Makes for a much better show tho.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Boomchild » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:20 pm

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Yea, and why doesn't he says the pledge of allegiance at the start of each oval office pizza party? Did you hear his first decision in office was to burn the dvd copies of Schoolhouse Rock in the White House nursery? You guys are so desperate to confirm your own racist paranoid Manchurian projections, it's pathetic. BTW, the salute didn't start until Reagan and never should have started. Next thing you know, we will have presidents in flight suits pretending to be decorated military warriors. Oh wait....


You really have over thought your response. It's a simple show of mutual respect for "The Commander In Chief" to return a salute that is given to him. Period.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby Don » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:48 pm

I can tell you from first hand experience, Reagan didn't always return salutes. Neither did Bush Sr or Clinton. On average, the Presidents are in position to salute about a dozen times a day. They will salute MAYBE one-third of the time at most. A lot of 3 and 4 star generals will skip salutes also, especially if they are with someone. They'll just give you a nod at the most. As military members, we would take umbrage with that FAR more then not being acknowledged by a civilian, whether it be the President, Secretary of State, etc.

In actuality, heads of state saluting is far more prevalent in third world countries, Banana republics and the like. Many EU leaders don't salute back either. It's in keeping with the image of separation between military and civilian rule in government.
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Re: President Barack Obama - My what big ears you have!

Postby slucero » Fri Jun 14, 2013 6:09 pm

This rabbit hole just gets deeper and deeper...

U.S. Agencies Said to Swap Data With Thousands of Firms
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Thousands of technology, finance and manufacturing companies are working closely with U.S. national security agencies, providing sensitive information and in return receiving benefits that include access to classified intelligence, four people familiar with the process said.

These programs, whose participants are known as trusted partners, extend far beyond what was revealed by Edward Snowden, a computer technician who did work for the National Security Agency. The role of private companies has come under intense scrutiny since his disclosure this month that the NSA is collecting millions of U.S. residents’ telephone records and the computer communications of foreigners from Google Inc (GOOG). and other Internet companies under court order.

Many of these same Internet and telecommunications companies voluntarily provide U.S. intelligence organizations with additional data, such as equipment specifications, that don’t involve private communications of their customers, the four people said.

Makers of hardware and software, banks, Internet security providers, satellite telecommunications companies and many other companies also participate in the government programs. In some cases, the information gathered may be used not just to defend the nation but to help infiltrate computers of its adversaries.

Along with the NSA, the Central Intelligence Agency (0112917D), the Federal Bureau of Investigation and branches of the U.S. military have agreements with such companies to gather data that might seem innocuous but could be highly useful in the hands of U.S. intelligence or cyber warfare units, according to the people, who have either worked for the government or are in companies that have these accords.

Microsoft Bugs

Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), the world’s largest software company, provides intelligence agencies with information about bugs in its popular software before it publicly releases a fix, according to two people familiar with the process. That information can be used to protect government computers and to access the computers of terrorists or military foes.

Redmond, Washington-based Microsoft (MSFT) and other software or Internet security companies have been aware that this type of early alert allowed the U.S. to exploit vulnerabilities in software sold to foreign governments, according to two U.S. officials. Microsoft doesn’t ask and can’t be told how the government uses such tip-offs, said the officials, who asked not to be identified because the matter is confidential.

Frank Shaw, a spokesman for Microsoft, said those releases occur in cooperation with multiple agencies and are designed to be give government “an early start” on risk assessment and mitigation.

Willing Cooperation

Some U.S. telecommunications companies willingly provide intelligence agencies with access to facilities and data offshore that would require a judge’s order if it were done in the U.S., one of the four people said.

In these cases, no oversight is necessary under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, and companies are providing the information voluntarily.

The extensive cooperation between commercial companies and intelligence agencies is legal and reaches deeply into many aspects of everyday life, though little of it is scrutinized by more than a small number of lawyers, company leaders and spies. Company executives are motivated by a desire to help the national defense as well as to help their own companies, said the people, who are familiar with the agreements.

Most of the arrangements are so sensitive that only a handful of people in a company know of them, and they are sometimes brokered directly between chief executive officers and the heads of the U.S.’s major spy agencies, the people familiar with those programs said.

‘Thank Them’

Michael Hayden, who formerly directed the National Security Agency and the CIA, described the attention paid to important company partners: “If I were the director and had a relationship with a company who was doing things that were not just directed by law but were also valuable to the defense of the Republic, I would go out of my way to thank them and give them a sense as to why this is necessary and useful.”

“You would keep it closely held within the company and there would be very few cleared individuals,” Hayden said.

Cooperation between nine U.S. Internet companies and the NSA’s Special Source Operations unit came to light along with a secret program called Prism. According to a slide deck provided by Snowden, the program gathers e-mails, videos, and other private data of foreign surveillance targets through arrangements that vary by company, overseen by a secret panel of judges.

U.S. intelligence agencies have grown far more dependent on such arrangements as the flow of much of the world’s information has grown exponentially through switches, cables and other network equipment maintained by U.S. companies.

Equipment Specs

In addition to private communications, information about equipment specifications and data needed for the Internet to work -- much of which isn’t subject to oversight because it doesn’t involve private communications -- is valuable to intelligence, U.S. law-enforcement officials and the military.

Typically, a key executive at a company and a small number of technical people cooperate with different agencies and sometimes multiple units within an agency, according to the four people who described the arrangements.

Committing Officer

If necessary, a company executive, known as a “committing officer,” is given documents that guarantee immunity from civil actions resulting from the transfer of data. The companies are provided with regular updates, which may include the broad parameters of how that information is used.

Intel Corp. (INTC)’s McAfee unit, which makes Internet security software, regularly cooperates with the NSA, FBI and the CIA, for example, and is a valuable partner because of its broad view of malicious Internet traffic, including espionage operations by foreign powers, according to one of the four people, who is familiar with the arrangement.

Such a relationship would start with an approach to McAfee’s chief executive, who would then clear specific individuals to work with investigators or provide the requested data, the person said. The public would be surprised at how much help the government seeks, the person said.

McAfee firewalls collect information on hackers who use legitimate servers to do their work, and the company data can be used to pinpoint where attacks begin. The company also has knowledge of the architecture of information networks worldwide, which may be useful to spy agencies who tap into them, the person said.


China’s Military

Following an attack on his company by Chinese hackers in 2010, Sergey Brin, Google’s co-founder, was provided with highly sensitive government intelligence linking the attack to a specific unit of the People’s Liberation Army, China’s military, according to one of the people, who is familiar with the government’s investigation. Brin was given a temporary classified clearance to sit in on the briefing, the person said.

According to information provided by Snowden, Google, owner of the world’s most popular search engine, had at that point been a Prism participant for more than a year.

Google CEO Larry Page said in a blog posting June 7 that he hadn’t heard of a program called Prism until after Snowden’s disclosures and that the Mountain View, California-based company didn’t allow the U.S. government direct access to its servers or some back-door to its data centers. He said Google provides user data to governments “only in accordance with the law.”

Leslie Miller, a spokeswoman for Google, didn’t provide an immediate response yesterday.

The information provided by Snowden also exposed a secret NSA program known as Blarney. As the program was described in the Washington Post (WPO), the agency gathers metadata on computers and devices that are used to send e-mails or browse the Internet through principal data routes, known as a backbone.

Metadata

That metadata includes which version of the operating system, browser and Java software are being used on millions of devices around the world, information that U.S. spy agencies could use to infiltrate those computers or phones and spy on their users.

“It’s highly offensive information,” said Glenn Chisholm, the former chief information officer for Telstra Corp (TLS)., one of Australia’s largest telecommunications companies, contrasting it to defensive information used to protect computers rather than infiltrate them.

According to Snowden’s information, Blarney’s purpose is “to gain access and exploit foreign intelligence,” the Post said.

It’s unclear whether U.S. Internet service providers gave information to the NSA as part of Blarney, and if so, whether the transfer of that data required a judge’s order.

Less Scrutiny

Stewart Baker, former general counsel for the NSA, said if metadata involved communications between two foreign computers that just happened to be crossing a U.S. fiber optic cable “then the likelihood is it would demand less legal scrutiny than when communications are being extracted one by one.”

Lawmakers who oversee U.S. intelligence agencies may not understand the significance of some of the metadata being collected, said Jacob Olcott, a former cybersecurity assistant for Senator John D. Rockefeller IV of West Virginia, the Democratic chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee.

“That’s what makes this issue of oversight so challenging,” said Olcott, now a principal at Good Harbor Security Risk Management in Washington. “You have a situation where the technology and technical policy is far outpacing the background and expertise of most elected members of Congress or their staffs.”

While companies are offered powerful inducements to cooperate with U.S. intelligence, many executives are motivated by patriotism or a sense they are defending national security, the people familiar with the trusted partner programs said.

Einstein 3

U.S telecommunications, Internet, power companies and others provide U.S. intelligence agencies with details of their systems’ architecture or equipment schematics so the agencies can analyze potential vulnerabilities.

“It’s natural behavior for governments to want to know about the country’s critical infrastructure,” said Chisholm, chief security officer at Irvine, California-based Cylance Inc.

Even strictly defensive systems can have unintended consequences for privacy. Einstein 3, a costly program originally developed by the NSA, is meant to protect government systems from hackers. The program, which has been made public and is being installed, will closely analyze the billions of e-mails sent to government computers every year to see if they contain spy tools or malicious software.

Einstein 3 could also expose the private content of the e-mails under certain circumstances, according to a person familiar with the system, who asked not to be named because he wasn’t authorized to discuss the matter.
AT&T, Verizon

Before they agreed to install the system on their networks, some of the five major Internet companies -- AT&T Inc. (T), Verizon Communications Inc (VZ)., Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), Level 3 Communications Inc (LVLT). and CenturyLink Inc (CTL). -- asked for guarantees that they wouldn’t be held liable under U.S. wiretap laws. Those companies that asked received a letter signed by the U.S. attorney general indicating such exposure didn’t meet the legal definition of a wiretap and granting them immunity from civil lawsuits, the person said.

Mark Siegel, a spokesman for Dallas-based AT&T, the nation’s biggest phone carrier, declined to comment. Edward McFadden, a spokesman for New York-based Verizon, the second-largest phone company, declined to comment.

Scott Sloat, a spokesman for Overland Park, Kansas-based Sprint, and Monica Martinez, a spokeswoman for Broomfield, Colorado-based Level 3, didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

Linda Johnson, a spokeswoman for Centurylink, formerly Qwest Corp., said her Monroe, Louisiana-based company participates in the Enhanced Cybersecurity Services program and the Intrusion Prevention Security Services program, which includes Einstein 3. Both programs are managed by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

Beyond that, she said, “CenturyLink does not comment on matters pertaining to national security.”


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