President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

Many Republicans respect Sanders. They believe he is sincere in trying to help working people and putting the economic interests of Americans first. They just think his ideology is dangerously outdated and wrong. But he is not a conniving politician like Hillary, who has the respect of nobody (except Monker). Even Democrats despise Hillary. Horrible candidate.

[steveo777]

I'm not a democrat or a republican. I am a centrist, who votes for the GOP candidate because I don't agree with the hard left that the democratic party has swung since Obama took office. If you're a democrat, you have to see that Bernie Sanders is of far better moral character than Hillary. When you look at it, look at all the big money donors Hillary is beholden to, it should be readily apparent that she is only seeking the presidency for money and power. She doesn't give two shits about you or I. Sanders should be the the democratic nominee. Hillary will not be on the ballot.

Unless Trump or Cruz end up as the GOP nominee, I might vote for Sanders.

[Boomchild]

Boomchild, you seem to be way out on the tip of some wing.

I asked you previously for specifics on your viewpoint of my position(s). I don't believe you responded. I would like to know how you feel electing Hillary is going to have an effect on the corruption in our government. From your replies here, it seems you also believe that B.O. has been a far more successful POTUS then many, many others. If that is the case, I would like to know specifically what has he accomplished that supports such a claim.

[Monker]

Boomchild, you seem to be way out on the tip of some wing.

I asked you previously for specifics on your viewpoint of my position(s). I don't believe you responded. I would like to know how you feel electing Hillary is going to have an effect on the corruption in our government. From your replies here, it seems you also believe that B.O. has been a far more successful POTUS then many, many others. If that is the case, I would like to know specifically what has he accomplished that supports such a claim.

I don't think you read her posts, cuz I just read the answer to your question

About Obama, you asked me, too and I didn't answer.

He led us from complete economic collapse, entire industries were failing. Republicans were so lost they were saying and repeating, "the fundamentals of the economy are strong," which was absolutely crazy for the time.

Whether you like it or not, or admit it or not, the last Republican President inherited an economy from a Democrat that had been booming for years...and left it in absolute ruin. Obama's economy may not be perfect...and part of that can be blamed on Republican obstructionism...but we are much, much, MUCH better off than 8yrs ago.

[Boomchild]

About Obama, you asked me, too and I didn't answer.

He led us from complete economic collapse, entire industries were failing. Republicans were so lost they were saying and repeating, "the fundamentals of the economy are strong," which was absolutely crazy for the time.

Whether you like it or not, or admit it or not, the last Republican President inherited an economy from a Democrat that had been booming for years...and left it in absolute ruin. Obama's economy may not be perfect...and part of that can be blamed on Republican obstructionism...but we are much, much, MUCH better off than 8yrs ago.

Firstly,I am not making any assertions about the previous administration as you are suggesting above. While looking at it from a 1000ft viewpoint it may look good. But if you take a closer look you can see major cracks. We have little to no real economic growth. The latest GDP growth I believe was reported to be 2 percent. While some may be able to find work that have been unemployed, a lot of them are only getting part time work or work with less hours and\or lower pay then they had prior. I think that no matter who was elected POTUS post Bush would have had to do what B.O. did. Which was to push for the financial industry to be bailed out. Sorry you have to come up with more then that to somehow put B.O. on a higher plane then other past POTUS.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC, how do you think Sanders will work with a Republican Congress? I don't see him getting shit.

Who cares? Every time a Democrat wins the White House the Republicans lose their shit and pretend that Mao Tse-tung just seized power illegally. We just saw that with Obama. If McCain had won, he would have proposed a similar version of the stimulus bill and the outcry by the GOP would have been a barely audible whimper. The last Democrat who played nicey-nicey "go along to get along" with the Repubs was Bill Clinton and what was the end result? Garbage like the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act. No thanks.

[Monker]

Good thing a socialist isn't running.

When your voting this November, please remember,
"1) "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money." -- Margaret Thatcher

2) "It is the common error of Socialists to overlook the natural indolence of mankind; their tendency to be passive, to be the slaves of habit, to persist indefinitely in a course once chosen. Let them once attain any state of existence which they consider tolerable, and the danger to be apprehended is that they will thenceforth stagnate; will not exert themselves to improve, and by letting their faculties rust, will lose even the energy required to preserve them from deterioration. Competition may not be the best conceivable stimulus, but it is at present a necessary one, and no one can foresee the time when it will not be indispensable to progress." -- John Stuart Mill

3) "Socialism is when government's taking care of you, you send all your money to the government, the government decides how to spend it instead of letting the people spend it and make all those decisions." -- Bob Latta

4) "We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions." -- Adolf Hitler

5) "What distinguished Nazism from other brands of socialism and communism was not so much that it included more aspects from the political right (though there were some). What distinguished Nazism was that it forthrightly included a worldview we now associate almost completely with the political left: identity politics. This was what distinguished Nazism from doctrinaire communism, and it seems hard to argue the marriage of one leftist vision to another can somehow produce right-wing progeny." -- Jonah Goldberg

6) "The goal of socialism is communism." -- Vladimir Lenin

7) "This isn't new. Those who favor socialism always make the moral case for it. The truth is, maybe they actually believe in it, but in the real world, socialism harms, it weakens the economies of countries that have tried it. It just does. Weaker economies hurt everybody in them. Socialism kills incentive, opportunity, freedom. It is the opposite of what America is all about. Look, socialism always harms the people it claims to help the most. It handicaps them, leaving them weaker, less self-determined, less free." -- Bobby Jindal

“When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in a society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.” -- Frédéric Bastiat

9) "Socialism states that you owe me something simply because I exist. Capitalism, by contrast, results in a sort of reality-forced altruism: I may not want to help you, I may dislike you, but if I don't give you a product or service you want, I will starve. Voluntary exchange is more moral than forced redistribution." -- Ben Shapiro

10) “I was guilty of judging capitalism by its operations and socialism by its hopes and aspirations; capitalism by its works and socialism by its literature.” -- Sidney Hook

11) "In 1989, for two hours' labor at the minimum wage, an American worker could obtain, at a corner Sizzler, a feast more opulent, more nutritionally rich and gastronomically diverse than anything available to almost all the citizens of the socialist world (including the elite) at almost any price." -- David Horowitz

12) “In practice, socialism didn’t work. But socialism could never have worked because it is based on false premises about human psychology and society, and gross ignorance of human economy.” -- David Horowitz

13) "I believe that all forms of socialism have been proven over time to result in a loss of both economic and civil liberties, with increasing poverty." -- John Mackey

14) "Socialism values equality more than liberty." -- Dennis Prager

15) "Socialism is for those who think most people are losers. Capitalism is for those who think most people can take care of themselves." -- John Hawkins

16) "Socialism proposes no adequate substitute for the motive of enlightened selfishness that today is at the basis of all human labor and effort, enterprise and new activity." -- William Howard Taft

17) “Socialism provides safety in numbers. And that’s OK, if you don’t mind trading your name—your identity and individualism — for a number.” -- Jarod Kintz

18) “The champions of socialism call themselves progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to transform the world into a gigantic post office." -- Ludwig von Mises

19) "Socialists cry 'Power to the people', and raise the clenched fist as they say it. We all know what they really mean--power over people, power to the State." -- Margaret Thatcher

20) "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries." -- Winston Churchill"

[Monker]

About Obama, you asked me, too and I didn't answer.

He led us from complete economic collapse, entire industries were failing. Republicans were so lost they were saying and repeating, "the fundamentals of the economy are strong," which was absolutely crazy for the time.

Whether you like it or not, or admit it or not, the last Republican President inherited an economy from a Democrat that had been booming for years...and left it in absolute ruin. Obama's economy may not be perfect...and part of that can be blamed on Republican obstructionism...but we are much, much, MUCH better off than 8yrs ago.

Firstly,I am not making any assertions about the previous administration as you are suggesting above. While looking at it from a 1000ft viewpoint it may look good. But if you take a closer look you can see major cracks. We have little to no real economic growth. The latest GDP growth I believe was reported to be 2 percent. While some may be able to find work that have been unemployed, a lot of them are only getting part time work or work with less hours and\or lower pay then they had prior. I think that no matter who was elected POTUS post Bush would have had to do what B.O. did. Which was to push for the financial industry to be bailed out. Sorry you have to come up with more then that to somehow put B.O. on a higher plane then other past POTUS.

And, this is why I didn't answer you in the beginning. That's just a bunch of crap and speculation. You don't seem to have the capacity to look at things objectively.

I said the economy isn't perfect...but you go on as if the negative GDP in 2007- 2008 is somehow better than today. You go on as if entire industries collapsing is somehow better than today...and it wasn't just the financial industry, the auto industry was also failing. The truth is when Obama took over we were being led by the Republicans into an economic DEPRESSION...but according to Bush and McCain, the fundamentals of the economy were strong. W inherited the best possible economic climate and totally reversed it into the worst economy possible for Obama. W's tax cuts and rebate checks didn't help anything...except get him votes to be reelected. Even though the Republicans in congress tried to stop Obama every step of the way, he still managed to stabilize the economy and make slow and steady progress.

As for unemployment....this is EXACTLY what happened under Ronald Reagan, but you don't hear Republicans and conservatives whining about those burger flipping jobs.

The unobstructed truth is we are a LOT better off economically than we were 8yrs ago. It's a fact.

You asked for something, I gave you something where the facts are undeniable...and you still want to try to deny it. To me that shows you have a huge bias against Obama.

[Boomchild]

So the POTUS who early in his term of office was going around and stating he wanted a nuclear weapons free world is now up to this:

As U.S. Modernizes Nuclear Weapons, ‘Smaller’ Leaves Some Uneasy

As North Korea dug tunnels at its nuclear test site last fall, watched by American spy satellites, the Obama administration was preparing a test of its own in the Nevada desert.

Mr. Obama has long advocated a “nuclear-free world.” His lieutenants argue that modernizing existing weapons can produce a smaller and more reliable arsenal while making their use less likely because of the threat they can pose. The changes, they say, are improvements rather than wholesale redesigns, fulfilling the president’s pledge to make no new nuclear arms.

But critics, including a number of former Obama administration officials, look at the same set of facts and see a very different future. The explosive innards of the revitalized weapons may not be entirely new, they argue, but the smaller yields and better targeting can make the arms more tempting to use — even to use first, rather than in retaliation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/scien ... .html?_r=0

[steveo777]

Speaking of socialism, Hillary was recently asked what the difference between a socialist and a democrat is. She fumble fucked around with the question, goose stepping, then never answered it. The answer is, there isn't a difference.

[Boomchild]

Here are some things Bernie Sanders has said about Socialism.

14 things Bernie Sanders has said about socialism

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/1 ... z3x7BEYXCY

[ohsherrie]

Boomchild, bless your heart, I thought much of what I've said had answered your questions and in agreeing with Monker I thought I answered the rest.

I'm not breaking it down comment by comment because it would be too tedious, let it suffice to say that much of what you say sounds like it comes straight off of either Fox News or some right wing nut conspiracy website. It makes your opinion hard to deal with seriously. You have every right to believe what you do, many do, but the irrationality of much of it make debate with you too exasperating.

[Boomchild]

Boomchild, bless your heart, I thought much of what I've said had answered your questions and in agreeing with Monker I thought I answered the rest.

I'm not breaking it down comment by comment because it would be too tedious, let it suffice to say that much of what you say sounds like it comes straight off of either Fox News or some right wing nut conspiracy website. It makes your opinion hard to deal with seriously. You have every right to believe what you do, many do, but the irrationality of much of it make debate with you too exasperating.

To boil it down, I simply believe that the solutions to our problems it not going to come from those elected into office. That essentially the system is now corrupt at it's core. No matter which party anyone wants to agree with. We have ignored the concerns, warnings and fears the founders of this country and it's Republic had about the type of government they put into place. What needs to happen is for the citizens to take back control and that simply will not happen through elections and the current way our system is being manipulated and abused.

[Boomchild]

Live by Bubba, die by Bubba.

Something has shifted when it comes to the treatment and perception of the Clintons, and it threatens their joint political ambitions like nothing before it.

I think it could be said that Bill is losing his swagger. It also seems that some of the young female Hillary supporters look at Bill as a skeevy old man. Looks like things may be coming back to bite the Clintons in the ass.

[Boomchild]

Federal Agent Says Iraqi Refugee Wanted to Bomb Texas Malls

An Iraqi refugee who is facing charges that he tried to help the Islamic State group wanted to set off bombs at two Houston malls and was learning how to make electronic transmitters that could be used to detonate explosive devices, a federal agent has testified.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fede ... s-36280740

Hmmm....Guess there isn't a need to be concerned about the next round of "refugees" awaiting entrance into the U.S.. I mean, it's not like there is this huge lack of background data for vetting them.

[Monker]

Live by Bubba, die by Bubba.

Something has shifted when it comes to the treatment and perception of the Clintons, and it threatens their joint political ambitions like nothing before it.

I think it could be said that Bill is losing his swagger. It also seems that some of the young female Hillary supporters look at Bill as a skeevy old man. Looks like things may be coming back to bite the Clintons in the ass.

Or, KC likes to quote FOX News contributors without reference and you are naive enough to buy into the propaganda.

[Monker]

Federal Agent Says Iraqi Refugee Wanted to Bomb Texas Malls

An Iraqi refugee who is facing charges that he tried to help the Islamic State group wanted to set off bombs at two Houston malls and was learning how to make electronic transmitters that could be used to detonate explosive devices, a federal agent has testified.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fede ... s-36280740

Hmmm....Guess there isn't a need to be concerned about the next round of "refugees" awaiting entrance into the U.S.. I mean, it's not like there is this huge lack of background data for vetting them.

And, toddlers shot and killed more people in the US than terrorists last year. When are people going to stop ignoring the major threat these mini-humans present to this country and do something about it? Terrorists are nothing compared to the threat posed by toddlers and their evil ways. Sure, they may look all innocent and cute and stuff like that. It is all just a ruse to get on your good and loving side. Those loving feelings MUST be ignored and all toddlers must be sent back to the womb from where they came. If their mother is dead, then the toddler should be executed and join her in her grave. If Trump was smart, he would focus on this new threat and support the execution of all children under the age of 4yrs old. This threat must be stopped NOW. What are we going to do if a toddler comes into the possession of a nuclear weapon? They have already proved that they will use their weapons when they are armed. If trends continue we will all be subject to toddler law and have to suffer in time-out for the rest of our lives.

(This post was paid for by the "Toddlers are evil and must die" PAC, and the "Stupidity of people who believe refugees are a major threat to the US when they have not committed a single act of terror in this country since the crisis began" PAC.

[ohsherrie]

Boomchild, bless your heart, I thought much of what I've said had answered your questions and in agreeing with Monker I thought I answered the rest.

I'm not breaking it down comment by comment because it would be too tedious, let it suffice to say that much of what you say sounds like it comes straight off of either Fox News or some right wing nut conspiracy website. It makes your opinion hard to deal with seriously. You have every right to believe what you do, many do, but the irrationality of much of it make debate with you too exasperating.

To boil it down, I simply believe that the solutions to our problems it not going to come from those elected into office. That essentially the system is now corrupt at it's core. No matter which party anyone wants to agree with. We have ignored the concerns, warnings and fears the founders of this country and it's Republic had about the type of government they put into place. What needs to happen is for the citizens to take back control and that simply will not happen through elections and the current way our system is being manipulated and abused.

I agree completely, but obviously we differ in the perspective from which we came to that conclusion.

[slucero]

Boomchild, bless your heart, I thought much of what I've said had answered your questions and in agreeing with Monker I thought I answered the rest.

I'm not breaking it down comment by comment because it would be too tedious, let it suffice to say that much of what you say sounds like it comes straight off of either Fox News or some right wing nut conspiracy website. It makes your opinion hard to deal with seriously. You have every right to believe what you do, many do, but the irrationality of much of it make debate with you too exasperating.

To boil it down, I simply believe that the solutions to our problems it not going to come from those elected into office. That essentially the system is now corrupt at it's core. No matter which party anyone wants to agree with. We have ignored the concerns, warnings and fears the founders of this country and it's Republic had about the type of government they put into place. What needs to happen is for the citizens to take back control and that simply will not happen through elections and the current way our system is being manipulated and abused.

I agree completely, but obviously we differ in the perspective from which we came to that conclusion.

I'm reminded of the Debra Barone quote in the "Everybody Loves Raymond "Checkbook" episode:

"...when you're on the Titanic, you load the lifeboats, you don't stop to yell at the iceberg."

or the Einstein quote below....

[ohsherrie]

To boil it down, I simply believe that the solutions to our problems it not going to come from those elected into office. That essentially the system is now corrupt at it's core. No matter which party anyone wants to agree with. We have ignored the concerns, warnings and fears the founders of this country and it's Republic had about the type of government they put into place. What needs to happen is for the citizens to take back control and that simply will not happen through elections and the current way our system is being manipulated and abused.

I agree completely, but obviously we differ in the perspective from which we came to that conclusion.

I'm reminded of the Debra Barone quote in the "Everybody Loves Raymond "Checkbook" episode:

"...when you're on the Titanic, you load the lifeboats, you don't stop to yell at the iceberg."

or the Einstein quote below....

Yeah, that pretty much says it, but there are ways that the "lets take back our country" philosophy can create chaos and possibly catastrophe if it gets out of hand.

[Monker]

Debunk it monker. Don't just bitch about the source. Who else is going to report it? One of your bias bought and paid for, all in for anything Democrat Media sources?

The article talked about here is an opinion piece. So, that's senseless.

The other article is by a guy who has had many of his statements fact checked and is basically full shit in everything he says.

It's all just propaganda and opinion, and I choose to not pay any attention to it.

I find it ironic that you choose to believe these people who have been caught in lie after lie, but someone like Brian Williams loses his entire career over the very same thing. Hypocrisy at it's best.

[Boomchild]

“The [FBI] has so much information about criminal conduct by her and her staff that there is no way that they walk away from this,” Joseph diGenova, formerly the District of Columbia’s U.S. Attorney, told Laura Ingraham in a Tuesday radio interview. “They are going to make a recommendation that people be charged and then Loretta Lynch is going to have the decision of a lifetime.

“I believe that the evidence that the FBI is compiling will be so compelling that, unless [Lynch] agrees to the charges, there will be a massive revolt inside the FBI, which she will not be able to survive as an attorney general. It will be like Watergate. It will be unbelievable.”

When it comes to Hillary being charged, I will believe it when I see it. The the question is, if she is charged with something, will it be something more then just a slap on the wrist.

[JBlake]

Inspector General: Clinton emails had intel from most secretive, classified programs

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01 ... grams.html


I think we shall find out if in fact Hillary is "too big to jail".

Anybody with a government issued security clearance should already know that if they would have done a fraction of the stuff this bitch has done in regards to handling of classified materials and how they are being stored, they'd a already been locked up in the brig. And it is for this reason I don't think this bitch will do any time. Seriously, had it been anyone else they would have been jailed already with charges pending. And if the bitch did get tossed in the clink, she'd just be pardoned right off the bat by a democrat president. Only reason I would think the bitch isn't in prison yet is perhaps someone's hoping a republican takes office after King Wannabe is out. If a Republican president is in office, the bitch ain't getting the pardon. Hell, if Bernie takes office, he'll be known as "Mr. Rug burns on the knees" from servicing leaders from various countries. I'm sure many leaders are already lining up early in preparation for, for the Bern! Hillary is lining up as well cause if he takes office, she's going to need a pardon.

[steveo777]

The bitch won't make it to the ballot and will most likely be indicted. Loretta Lynch is going to be facing very harsh blow back if she tries to claim prosecutorial discretion in the face of overwhelming evidence of criminal activity. If the FBI had done a good job with their investigation and recommends an indictment, she's going to face a wave trying to dismiss it. And we have the next president coming on board soon, who can end her career on day one, as the AG works at the appointment and pleasure of the president.

[Boomchild]

The bitch won't make it to the ballot and will most likely be indicted. Loretta Lynch is going to be facing very harsh blow back if she tries to claim prosecutorial discretion in the face of overwhelming evidence of criminal activity. If the FBI had done a good job with their investigation and recommends an indictment, she's going to face a wave trying to dismiss it. And we have the next president coming on board soon, who can end her career on day one, as the AG works at the appointment and pleasure of the president.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

[Monker]

The bitch won't make it to the ballot and will most likely be indicted. Loretta Lynch is going to be facing very harsh blow back if she tries to claim prosecutorial discretion in the face of overwhelming evidence of criminal activity. If the FBI had done a good job with their investigation and recommends an indictment, she's going to face a wave trying to dismiss it. And we have the next president coming on board soon, who can end her career on day one, as the AG works at the appointment and pleasure of the president.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

You mean how all the rumors and hateful thinking will turn out to mean absolutely nothing as Clinton is elected President?

[steveo777]

The bitch won't make it to the ballot and will most likely be indicted. Loretta Lynch is going to be facing very harsh blow back if she tries to claim prosecutorial discretion in the face of overwhelming evidence of criminal activity. If the FBI had done a good job with their investigation and recommends an indictment, she's going to face a wave trying to dismiss it. And we have the next president coming on board soon, who can end her career on day one, as the AG works at the appointment and pleasure of the president.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

You mean how all the rumors and hateful thinking will turn out to mean absolutely nothing as Clinton is elected President?

You're a losing liberal, and they (democrats) are losing this time around. I'll be here to see your tears when Trump wins by a landslide. Hillary is going to lose, or be indicted. Those are your options. Time for change.

[ohsherrie]

The bitch won't make it to the ballot and will most likely be indicted. Loretta Lynch is going to be facing very harsh blow back if she tries to claim prosecutorial discretion in the face of overwhelming evidence of criminal activity. If the FBI had done a good job with their investigation and recommends an indictment, she's going to face a wave trying to dismiss it. And we have the next president coming on board soon, who can end her career on day one, as the AG works at the appointment and pleasure of the president.

It will be very interesting to see how this plays out.

You mean how all the rumors and hateful thinking will turn out to mean absolutely nothing as Clinton is elected President?

Yes, exactly.

But if Bloomberg jumps in it WILL be interesting to see how he effects the the distribution of support.

[steveo777]

I think two people need to step away from the crack pipe. If Bloomberg jumps in........ It's too late for him to get in. Get a clue. If he was going to, he should have thought about it sooner, but, heh, it's just a rumor. Hillary is a piece of shit and we the people are going to do our best to make sure she does not get another term in the White House. She's such a piece of shit that anyone who votes for her is also a piece of shit. Supporting that bitch is a moral low bar and nothing to be proud of. We don't vote for people because they have a vagina, at least sensible people won't. She should be disqualified from running, at the least, but should be in prison. Most Americans don't trust her and this election we will finally be rid of her.

[JBlake]

I think two people need to step away from the crack pipe. If Bloomberg jumps in........ It's too late for him to get in. Get a clue. If he was going to, he should have thought about it sooner, but, heh, it's just a rumor. Hillary is a piece of shit and we the people are going to do our best to make sure she does not get another term in the White House. She's such a piece of shit that anyone who votes for her is also a piece of shit. Supporting that bitch is a moral low bar and nothing to be proud of. We don't vote for people because they have a vagina, at least sensible people won't. She should be disqualified from running, at the least, but should be in prison. Most Americans don't trust her and this election we will finally be rid of her.

Well the majority may vote for a person just because the person has a vagina. After all they voted for Berry only because of his color, and gave him a Nobel just for showing up. I don't see Hillary being voted Pres. though. Who the hell would vote for that old bag of shit anyways? Look at what she's done wrong while being SOS and then look at all the excuses she uses to worm her way out of those wrongdoings. Who would want a Pres. like that? Only the mentally ill.