The_Noble_Cause wrote:Reeves is doing his own thing with Batman. He is not interested in helping to prop up a creatively-stillborn universe.
So Kettle is doing okay..or? You don't know that. I think the whole stance on Affleck is going to effect Reeve's decision on the story he's working on. The good thing about the situation, creatively, is that if 'The Batman' ends up in DCEU continuity, Affleck's Batman was such an older take on the character that they can wiggle the prequel format into play. Rumors are that Reeves turned in his first draft of his story and it was said to feature a younger Batman so they can easily set this trilogy up in the days way before BvS (where Bruce was at the end of his rope.) It wasn't until the 'Black Zero' event in Man of Steel and the coming of 'The Superman" that lit a fire under Bruce's cowl for a comeback. It could all work if they wanted to go that direction.
I just said that Reeves' Bat film will make Batman the center of the DC universe. Your rejoinder? Is there an echo in here? Helloooo?
It's a no brainer that the Bat-Universe was going to come into play. Batman has the longest list of rogues and family in the DCU and Gotham plays a big part in the universe regardless but that wasn't what I was getting at. You said they would sideline other characters..mainly Cyborg but you failed to realize that if anything, other characters will come into the frey. You singled out Cyborg but didn't realize Cyborg is a huge part of a team called the Teen Titans, led by Dick Grayson (Nightwing.) Chris McKay is working on Nightwing so we'll see if anything is destined to spin-off from that if it comes to fruition.
One bad entry in a franchise is not the end of the world. WB mishandled that. B&R under-performed compared to Batman Forever. I actually think Forever is WORSE than B&R. At least B&R is confidant in its kitsch take. Both Schumacher films suck. WB should have just made a better Batman 5.
Man you are are all over the place here. There's hedges everywhere. In that case, WB seems to be taking your proposal in this current DCEU. They seem to be taking the approach by moving forward with their present franchise's headlined by the current actors/creators involved and are adament on keeping the past the past and make better Superman movies, Batman movies, Suicide Squad movies, Joker movies, etc. Just flat out make BETTER films. That looks to be their memo.
Huh? Zack was fired by WB. Keaton walked because he was loyal to Tim (he also hated the suit). No comparison.
There certainly are comparisons. Zack got roasted for making the DCEU, most notably BvS, too dark, his second film in the series that led to his departure. Burton? Ousted because his second film in the series was deemed too dark. The third entries after both directors left were course corrected by a more lighter tone that ultimately fucked everything up because it wasn't the idea that sprung the idea of what these films were meant to be in the first place. Keaton had every chance to return as Batman. He wasn't loyal to Burton. He was loyal to the material and direction. He knew what Batman Forever was mandated into and he bailed. Zack wasn't going to compromise either. I believe eventually, he told WB "fuck you" (kindly) and the two mutual sides departed.
You're contradicting yourself. You say the universe starts and stops with Nolan/Bale but is now continuing with Affleck/Reeves. Which is it?
Huh? Pay attention. I was just noting that by the time they brought Affleck in, they were expanding the universe. Anybody with a brain knows I'm talking about the MoS-verse; not the Nolan-verse. Obviously obvious.
Obviously.
Everything in BvsS feels like a retcon.
LMAO! Bah gawd the density. Like what?! Specific examples, please.
Standalone films are not a cinematic universe. DC is effectively flying the white flag of defeat. You just don't realize it's over.
Man of Steel is a standalone film. Wonder Woman is a standalone film. Aquaman is going to be a standalone film. Standalone's can exist in current continuity of which the universe connects to but the rules of those universe's can be specific to that respected character inside of their own worlds. And you got to realize that this entire "connective" thing doesn't matter to me. I can give two shits less about what is and what isn't connected or what films will crossover with each other as long as the movies are good. You realize that right? I think DC is going to create a deep, narrow and wider label for all of these things to occur simultaneously. We'll see if they reveal a rebrand in a few weeks.