Moderator: Andrew
Andrew wrote:His ratings would disagree.
I think he’s great...
but that opinion aside, it’s hard to argue with Trump himself talking. Barely able to string 3 words together correctly.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I'd much rather have somebody carrying out the orders of Putin than, say, Halliburton.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Colbert sucks now. I agree. He could learn a thing or two from past late night hosts, like Leno, who refused to let their shows become partisan hatefests.
Monker wrote:He came from a successful late night show, "The Colbert Report".
Monker wrote:Colbert and Jon Stewart (and Bill Maher) have influenced the current late night shows much more than Jay Leno.
Monker wrote:All of the current political banter in late night is a direct result of those three's influence and popularity. Colbert is essentially doing the exact same type of comedy in his monologue that he was doing in that entire show...minus the parody of being a conservative.
Andrew wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:
I'd much rather have somebody carrying out the orders of Putin than, say, Halliburton.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:He came from a successful late night show, "The Colbert Report".
The Colbert Report was a satire of O'Reilly and Fox News. The only similarity to late nite shows like Carson or Leno is that it had guests.
Monker wrote:Colbert and Jon Stewart (and Bill Maher) have influenced the current late night shows much more than Jay Leno.
Leno was carrying on a tradition of non-partisan or equal opportunity late nite humor. Nobody knew what Johnny Carson's politics were (or cared).
As Leno has said
It's the result of the network TV model circling the drain. Networks are now emulating the niche programming of cable TV. While Colbert preaches to a dedicated Trump-hating choir, the vast majority of Americans have tuned him (and others) out.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I don't go to bed fearing the Russkies, Drew. Sorry. I live in a country where average people go bankrupt over healthcare. Why should I care about Putin trying to reunify with Crimea? What's the worst possible outcome?
Monker wrote:That Putin feels emboldened and takes over other eastern European countries, while he tries to reestablish the dominance of the former Soviet Union. While Trump is "under orders" from Putin to not get involved, the rest of NATO and western Europe feels threatened. At some point Putin goes too far and NATO declares war, sparking WW3.
Monker wrote:I said nothing about Carson. I said it was a successful late night show. That is fact.
Monker wrote:When he moved to CBS, all he did was remove his (fake) conservative personality and kept the same jokes. You could take that same clip above and put it in the Colbert Report and Colbert would have spun it as a conservative voice saying how brilliant Trump is for making up his own words and such. Also, Colbert keeps his political humor to his monologue...very rarely have I seen him take it into the interviews.
Monker wrote:The days of Leno and Carson are over. The Daily Show is far more influential to today's late shows. Trevor Noah, John Oliver, Samantha Bee, Colbert, Lawrence Willmoore, Jordan Klepper...all have had shows over the past few years, some more successful than others. But, that influence is undeniable. The Daily Show's influence is essentially DOMINATING late night.
Monker wrote:Leno doesn't have his show any longer. And, the Tonight Show has LOST ground to Late Night. Carson/Leno is NOT as popular among today's audience.
Monker wrote:Partially. But, in 2017 Colbert's viewership went up 20%. Seems to me a vast number of viewers flocked to his show to hear his Trump humor. In 2018, viewers were down across the board....in ALL network TV. The Tonight Show, with Fallon following the Leno model - as you want, lost 10 percent of its viewers, while Colbert lost only 1%...putting him ahead of Fallon over all in the ratings. Seems to me that people are flocking away from the Carson/Leno model in MUCH higher numbers.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:That Putin feels emboldened and takes over other eastern European countries, while he tries to reestablish the dominance of the former Soviet Union. While Trump is "under orders" from Putin to not get involved, the rest of NATO and western Europe feels threatened. At some point Putin goes too far and NATO declares war, sparking WW3.
So much wrong here. Bush Sr. pledged not to move NATO into the east. Instead, NATO has been trying to spark WW3 for awhile by creeping into the eastern Baltic and the Black Sea. We bombed Russia's ally Serbia. The US-led NATO annexed Kosovo (then part of Serbia). The US-led attack on Libya killed Russia's ally, Gaddafi. We've put thousands of NATO troops on Russia's border. It goes on and on.
Monker wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:He came from a successful late night show, "The Colbert Report".
The Colbert Report was a satire of O'Reilly and Fox News. The only similarity to late nite shows like Carson or Leno is that it had guests.
I said nothing about Carson. I said it was a successful late night show. That is fact. When he moved to CBS, all he did was remove his (fake) conservative personality and kept the same jokes. You could take that same clip above and put it in the Colbert Report and Colbert would have spun it as a conservative voice saying how brilliant Trump is for making up his own words and such. Also, Colbert keeps his political humor to his monologue...very rarely have I seen him take it into the interviews.Monker wrote:Colbert and Jon Stewart (and Bill Maher) have influenced the current late night shows much more than Jay Leno.
Leno was carrying on a tradition of non-partisan or equal opportunity late nite humor. Nobody knew what Johnny Carson's politics were (or cared).
The days of Leno and Carson are over. The Daily Show is far more influential to today's late shows. Trevor Noah, John Oliver, Samantha Bee, Colbert, Lawrence Willmoore, Jordan Klepper...all have had shows over the past few years, some more successful than others. But, that influence is undeniable. The Daily Show's influence is essentially DOMINATING late night.As Leno has said
Leno doesn't have his show any longer. And, the Tonight Show has LOST ground to Late Night. Carson/Leno is NOT as popular among today's audience.It's the result of the network TV model circling the drain. Networks are now emulating the niche programming of cable TV. While Colbert preaches to a dedicated Trump-hating choir, the vast majority of Americans have tuned him (and others) out.
Partially. But, in 2017 Colbert's viewership went up 20%. Seems to me a vast number of viewers flocked to his show to hear his Trump humor. In 2018, viewers were down across the board....in ALL network TV. The Tonight Show, with Fallon following the Leno model - as you want, lost 10 percent of its viewers, while Colbert lost only 1%...putting him ahead of Fallon over all in the ratings. Seems to me that people are flocking away from the Carson/Leno model in MUCH higher numbers.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:That Putin feels emboldened and takes over other eastern European countries, while he tries to reestablish the dominance of the former Soviet Union. While Trump is "under orders" from Putin to not get involved, the rest of NATO and western Europe feels threatened. At some point Putin goes too far and NATO declares war, sparking WW3.
So much wrong here. Bush Sr. pledged not to move NATO into the east. Instead, NATO has been trying to spark WW3 for awhile by creeping into the eastern Baltic and the Black Sea. We bombed Russia's ally Serbia. The US-led NATO annexed Kosovo (then part of Serbia). The US-led attack on Libya killed Russia's ally, Gaddafi. We've put thousands of NATO troops on Russia's border. It goes on and on.
Monker wrote:The bottom line is that The Colbert Report was a successful late night show. That success is why he replaced Letterman. He is doing the same type of humor that got him the gig, the same type of humor he has been doing for well over 10yrs. True, it is not under a fake conservative character...but it is the same political banter he has always done that has made him successful in late night TV, dating all the way back to his time with John Stewart on the Daily Show. The Colbert Report was not very comparable to Jiminy Gilicky (or whatever). What Marin Short did was essentially a complete farce of a show...Colbert did not take it nearly that far. He had on some very serious guests for good interviews...not every single thing said and done was a joke.
Monker wrote:You said, "While Colbert preaches to a dedicated Trump-hating choir, the vast majority of Americans have tuned him (and others) out." That is why I brought up ratings and popularity. That sentence is simply not true. The one who has been 'tuned out" is Jimmy Fallon on the Tonight Show. Fallon is following the same tradition as Leno and Carson...and it is falling behind the current trend of essentially every other late night show. Colbert would be foolish to stop doing what he has been doing for years and do what is on the Tonight Show. Also, I'll point out that he replaced David Letterman who himself was a sorta alternative to the Leno/Carson style. I doubt very much CBS wants that to emulate what is on NBC.
Monker wrote:You want to treat Russia like a trustworthy country full of good intentions.
Monker wrote: I don't think it is. I don't think Putin is a trustworthy leader...and he should be scrutinized and held in check at every opportunity.
Monker wrote:And, if Trump is proven to be taking orders from Putin, or any other leader of an enemy nation, then Trump should be put on trial for treason and executed if found guilty. I do not see how that is OK under any circumstances, regardless of what party or political beliefs he has.
Monker wrote:I find it incredible that any American would defend the idea of our government being run by the leader of Russia.
Andrew wrote:I'm beginning to wonder if you're another Putin asset?
Andrew wrote:If my government was being controlled by any other power, I'd be raising hell about it.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I agree that The Colbert Report was on late and was successful. Was it a late night show in the style of Steve Allen, Carson, Leno etc? The answer is no. It was a parody of The O'Reilly Factor.
Monker wrote:You said, "While Colbert preaches to a dedicated Trump-hating choir, the vast majority of Americans have tuned him (and others) out." That is why I brought up ratings and popularity. That sentence is simply not true. The one who has been 'tuned out" is Jimmy Fallon on the Tonight Show. Fallon is following the same tradition as Leno and Carson...and it is falling behind the current trend of essentially every other late night show. Colbert would be foolish to stop doing what he has been doing for years and do what is on the Tonight Show. Also, I'll point out that he replaced David Letterman who himself was a sorta alternative to the Leno/Carson style. I doubt very much CBS wants that to emulate what is on NBC.
Of course, the sentence is true. Nobody is watching these shows anymore.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:[Monker wrote:And, if Trump is proven to be taking orders from Putin, or any other leader of an enemy nation, then Trump should be put on trial for treason and executed if found guilty. I do not see how that is OK under any circumstances, regardless of what party or political beliefs he has.
Yeah, you sound sane.
Monker wrote:I find it incredible that any American would defend the idea of our government being run by the leader of Russia.
Monker wrote:The Colbert Report was NOT a parody of the O'Reilly Factor. It is The Daily Show with a fake conservative host. That is all.
Monker wrote:I get the feeling that you never even watched the show.
Monker wrote:The FACTS completely prove you wrong. Colbert has over three million viewers each daily episode. Trevor Noah gets around two million viewers per episode. People watch these shows or they wouldn't be renewed...over and over again. It's no different than if nobody was going to a ___________ concert, they wouldn't be able to afford to tour.
Monker wrote:Execution is the penalty for treason. It's the law.
Monker wrote:We are not talking only "foreign influence" but the President of the United States following the orders of our enemy. THAT IS TREASON. That is an indefensible crime.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
adhere - to be devoted in support or allegiance; be attached as a follower or upholder (usually followed by to):
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:Execution is the penalty for treason. It's the law.
Oh sure. And Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney will be swinging at the Hague any day now. Get real.Monker wrote:We are not talking only "foreign influence" but the President of the United States following the orders of our enemy. THAT IS TREASON. That is an indefensible crime.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
adhere - to be devoted in support or allegiance; be attached as a follower or upholder (usually followed by to):
This is just you spreading conspiracy theories again and being a hypocrite. The (fake) Left has gone full-blown-retard and posts like this demonstrate it every day.
steveo777 wrote:I find it quite amazing that one President could cause so many people to go full on retard. Says a lot about the mental maturity of those constituents. Man, it must be a miserable existence for them. Emotional maturity of 5 year olds, the lot of them.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:Execution is the penalty for treason. It's the law.
Oh sure. And Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney will be swinging at the Hague any day now. Get real.
Monker wrote:We are not talking only "foreign influence" but the President of the United States following the orders of our enemy. THAT IS TREASON. That is an indefensible crime.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
adhere - to be devoted in support or allegiance; be attached as a follower or upholder (usually followed by to):
Monker wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:Monker wrote:Execution is the penalty for treason. It's the law.
Oh sure. And Henry Kissinger and Dick Cheney will be swinging at the Hague any day now. Get real.
YES. If they were taking orders from our enemies, they should be put on trial and executed if found guilty.
Are you actually saying it is OK for our leaders to commit treason?Monker wrote:We are not talking only "foreign influence" but the President of the United States following the orders of our enemy. THAT IS TREASON. That is an indefensible crime.
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
adhere - to be devoted in support or allegiance; be attached as a follower or upholder (usually followed by to):
This is just you spreading conspiracy theories again and being a hypocrite. The (fake) Left has gone full-blown-retard and posts like this demonstrate it every day.
Monker wrote:Are you actually saying it is OK for our leaders to commit treason?
Monker wrote:YOU are the one who said you would rather have the President of this country under the influence of Putin, than Haliburton, or whatever.
Monker wrote:If it is a conspiracy theory, it is one that you bought into and wrote on this forum for me to reply to. Posting the Constitutional definition of treason is NOT a conspiracy theory...that is bizarre talk from you.
Andrew wrote:There is zero point debating you TNC. Utterly pointless. Therefore I shall cease.
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