Monker wrote:I didn't say it was. THAT IS WHY HE WAS INVESTIGATED. The was Mueller's job, why he was hired.
This is total revisionist history. The special counsel was not appointed to find BS process crimes unrelated to Russian election interference.
Monker wrote:Yes, he plead to a lesser crime and cooperated. But, the FACT is this is why he was investigated. Period. The entire situation with Flynn is an example of why Mueller was hired. YOU SAID it wasn't .
Nothing in the Flynn indictment supports allegations of Trump-Russia election collusion.
Monker wrote:You are wrong. All of your bullshit about not being convicted of this and that, and process crime blah, blah, blah, is just a distraction from the fact that Mueller was doing his job.
If Mueller's job was to vindicate the president on the charge of collusion, he succeeded with flying colors.
Monker wrote:Yes, his family does care. You said NOBODY CARES. You are wrong.
I think the vast majority of Americans do not give a shit. You may think differently.
Then again, you also think the vast majority of Americans are chomping at the bit for a Hillary 2021 administration.
Monker wrote:BULLSHIT. You are trying to say that collusion and conspiracy are the same thing. THEY ARE NOT. Period.
Again, Mueller disagrees.
"But collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the U.S. Code; nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law. To the contrary, even as defined in legal dictionaries, collusion is largely synonymous with conspiracy as that crime is set forth in the general federal conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371."Monker wrote:Either that attorney was talking about something else or he is an idiot. Collusion is NOT the same thing as conspiracy or treason. Period. It's just not.
Take it up with Mueller.
Monker wrote:YOU in your infinite stupidity equated collusion and conspiracy. They are not the same thing. Collusion is not a crime, conspiracy is.
It's not my stupidity, it's Mueller's. He said for the purposes of the investigation, the two words were largely synonymous. Again, you obviously did not read the report.
Monker wrote:No you didn't. You posted some bullshit argument that is essentially saying that the written definition of conspiracy somehow describes collusion. It doesn't...they are two different things. Then you posted about coordination, which has NOTHING to do with what I said.
I am merely quoting Mueller's own legal analysis.
Monker wrote:You are IGNORING the fact that collusion is not a crime and Mueller was investigating crimes.
As Mueller explained and I quoted ad nauseum, the technical legal term is “conspiracy." But just because there is no federal law for collusion doesn't mean Mueller wasn't looking for it. The entire reason he was appointed was to look into coordination. Now you are arguing that the entire mission statement of the special counsel was impossible to undertake. Nonsense. If any serious evidence of collusion existed, it would have fallen under the rubric of conspiracy, which is against the law.
Monker wrote:So what? All he is saying is that the collusion above did not rise to the level of a crime. He did not discount what I quoted AT ALL. You either do not even read what you quote or you are too dim to understand it.
Interacting with a Russian is not the same thing as Russian election collusion. The report makes clear that most of Manafort's contacts pre-dated the Trump campaign. Again, I will let Mueller speak for himself.
"The Office could not reliably determine Manafort' s purpose in sharing internal polling data with Kilimnik during the campaign period."
"Manafort's Russian contacts during the campaign and transition periods stem from his consulting work for Deripaska from approximately 2005 to 2009 and his separate political consulting work in Ukraine from 2005 to 2015, including through his company DMP International LLC (DMI)."Monker wrote:He can't charge somebody for something that isn't a crime. THAT is reality...and it is a reality that you want desperately to ignore.
Call it whatever you like - collusion/conspiracy/coordination/bazzinga. When it comes to his findings (or lack thereof) Mueller couldn't have been more resoundingly clear.
"The investigation did not identify evidence that any US persons knowingly or intentionally coordinated with the IRA's interference operation."
"The investigation did not find evidence that the Trump Campaign recovered any such Clinton emails, or that these contacts were part of a coordinated effort between Russia and the Trump Campaign. "
"Although the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts, the investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities."
