Taking the race issue out of it...if the new candidate (whoever it was) had a speech impediment, and someone felt that it would harm the delivery of Journey's material, would that statement be considered bashing of people who have a lisp? Or questioning that the band would go in this direction?

The "cheap asian labor" jokes are just TOO easy (and just wrong! At least no one brought up any tour bus driving issues...). But in all of this there are some valid points to be made. If Arnel is taking a beating here, just wait until the U.S. tour reviews go to print...even site unseen, the writer of that piece clearly had some issues about Journey's decision and rather than use his own words, he picked them off of this site to make his point.

Personally I always felt they should have tried collaborating with another established AOR singer (as they did previously with Steve A, JSS, John Waite in Bad English, Michael Bolton, etc.). And I say this while being friends with Hugo, Jeremy H, JSS, etc.



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*Laura wrote:

Unfortunately... That was my first thought after I've read that.People keep forgetting this board is viewed by many eyes all over the world.

Shut up. Since when in the fuck are you the Boards' Liason? Leave that shit to me, Romanian.

Rockindeano wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Unfortunately... That was my first thought after I've read that.People keep forgetting this board is viewed by many eyes all over the world.

Shut up. Since when in the fuck are you the Boards' Liason? Leave that shit to me, Romanian.

YES!!! Deano is back.


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"Dude, I'll never fucking understand why he decided to cut the band's balls off in 1986."

Since the writer of the article obviously reads here, I hope that he reads this thread that is in response.

That article is crap in my opinion. The writer picked out what a few people had to say about Arnel and left out what everyone else had to say. Many of whom on Melodic Rock think he is great. Where is that in the article? Some fans have posted many You Tube links so other fans could see his talent. If in fact people reading that article see the board as everyone being a "racist Journey fan" that's ridiculous. It makes me feel sick to think anyone could think such a thing. Read the posts of support for Arnel.

There are lots of reasons people did or did not want to see another singer in Journey. I posted in that thread that I did not want another singer, for the simple reason that he is not Jeff Scott Soto. I just can't see them looking for another great singer when they had one. Just one fans opinion - not that of a board. It has nothing to do with Arnel -he's great.

*Laura wrote:

http://philmusic.com/main/content/view/152/7/



Arnel Pineda: Journey's New Vocalist?

By Jim Ayson
Tuesday, 04 September 2007

Two Things:

This dumb ass author doesn't even know how JSS got dumped on by the two clowns. He states he "left the band."

It appears to me that this guy wrote his piece just to stir up shit....and he's succeeding.








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This racism thing is fuckin' bullshit. 3 types of people believe in racism:

1) The "race hustlers" like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP. Why wouldn't they? It makes them money. Scumbags.
2) White trash, toothless hillbillies that run around hiding their faces with white robes. Spineless dipshits.
3) Dumbfucks


There is NO such thing as racism. There's one fuckin' race...the HUMAN one. Far as I know, we all have DNA, interchangable parts and breathe the same oxygen. That makes us ALL the SAME. We merely LOOK different. Some are white, some dark, and some in between. When someone doesn't like someone (say a white person that doesn't like black people) based on skin color or some other physical feature, or perhaps because of their country of origin, they're IGNORANT, not what we commonly call "racist." Lose that fuckin' word and maybe we'll inch a bit closer to getting along with one another.


PS Since "racism" seems solely based on a person's skin color, which is a physical feature, if I call someone a fat fuck (another physical feature) am I a racist?


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Saint John wrote:

This racism thing is fuckin' bullshit. 3 types of people believe in racism:

1) The "race hustlers" like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP. Why wouldn't they? It makes them money. Scumbags.
2) White trash, toothless hillbillies that run around hiding their faces with white robes. Spineless dipshits.
3) Dumbfucks


There is NO such thing as racism. There's one fuckin' race...the HUMAN one. Far as I know, we all have DNA, interchangable parts and breathe the same oxygen. That makes us ALL the SAME. We merely LOOK different. Some are white, some dark, and some in between. When someone doesn't like someone (say a white person that doesn't like black people) based on skin color or some other physical feature, or perhaps because of their country of origin, they're IGNORANT, not what we commonly call "racist." Lose that fuckin' word and maybe we'll inch a bit closer to getting along with one another.


PS Since "racism" seems solely based on a person's skin color, which is a physical feature, if I call someone a fat fuck (another physical feature) am I a racist?

Let me guess, your white and male?

frfksakes wrote:

Saint John wrote:

This racism thing is fuckin' bullshit. 3 types of people believe in racism:

1) The "race hustlers" like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP. Why wouldn't they? It makes them money. Scumbags.
2) White trash, toothless hillbillies that run around hiding their faces with white robes. Spineless dipshits.
3) Dumbfucks


There is NO such thing as racism. There's one fuckin' race...the HUMAN one. Far as I know, we all have DNA, interchangable parts and breathe the same oxygen. That makes us ALL the SAME. We merely LOOK different. Some are white, some dark, and some in between. When someone doesn't like someone (say a white person that doesn't like black people) based on skin color or some other physical feature, or perhaps because of their country of origin, they're IGNORANT, not what we commonly call "racist." Lose that fuckin' word and maybe we'll inch a bit closer to getting along with one another.


PS Since "racism" seems solely based on a person's skin color, which is a physical feature, if I call someone a fat fuck (another physical feature) am I a racist?

Let me guess, your white and male?

Yes. And it should have been "you're." What's your fucking point?


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Saint John wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

Saint John wrote:

This racism thing is fuckin' bullshit. 3 types of people believe in racism:

1) The "race hustlers" like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP. Why wouldn't they? It makes them money. Scumbags.
2) White trash, toothless hillbillies that run around hiding their faces with white robes. Spineless dipshits.
3) Dumbfucks


There is NO such thing as racism. There's one fuckin' race...the HUMAN one. Far as I know, we all have DNA, interchangable parts and breathe the same oxygen. That makes us ALL the SAME. We merely LOOK different. Some are white, some dark, and some in between. When someone doesn't like someone (say a white person that doesn't like black people) based on skin color or some other physical feature, or perhaps because of their country of origin, they're IGNORANT, not what we commonly call "racist." Lose that fuckin' word and maybe we'll inch a bit closer to getting along with one another.


PS Since "racism" seems solely based on a person's skin color, which is a physical feature, if I call someone a fat fuck (another physical feature) am I a racist?

Let me guess, your white and male?

Yes. And it should have been "you're." What's your fucking point?

I think she's sayin' you're a racist and that you're also racist to females


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I find the furious rants by Limbaugh to be the most entertaining...as Rush...suckled off the proverbial teat of the welfare (and free healthcare) system for six years after his unemployment ran out..

The thing is, no matter where anyone is from, if they sing, "So now I've come to ju with open arms..", they'll be singing to crickets. Nobody is going to listen to that. Either get Pineda an English tutor, or hire someone that doesn't sing with an accent. The songs were written and recorded a certain way, and that's what Journey fans expect to hear. I don't care if Journey's new singer is from Mars, if he can sing the catalog the way it should be sung, then I'll be alright with it. With all of that being said, they shouldn't have fired Soto.

That was THE funniest thing I've heard all day. Thanks Rick.

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"So now I've come to ju, with open arms.", they'll be singing to crickets.

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Rockindeano wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Unfortunately... That was my first thought after I've read that.People keep forgetting this board is viewed by many eyes all over the world.

Shut up. Since when in the fuck are you the Boards' Liason? Leave that shit to me, Romanian.

Zip it,American.Learn how to spell.It's "Liaison".


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The article is bollocks to me. The writer doesn't have his facts straight which kills the credibility of his article. Calling the race card is just another ploy to sell the article ... I have little time for that shit. The bottom line is this dude sings with an accent that is audible and therefore, I'm not interested. The Journey "brand" is an American one that I also think should stay whole. That surely doesn't make me a racist. If a Philippino band was looking for a singer to keep their heritage and wouldn't consider an American one would I care, FUCK NO. It's their right to maintain that heritage and I would not label them racists for doing so. I think people pull the race card to stir the pot, cause trouble, and sell news (yawn). If you're buying into it, then you support what they're doing.


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RaiderFan wrote:

Saint John wrote:

frfksakes wrote:

Saint John wrote:

This racism thing is fuckin' bullshit. 3 types of people believe in racism:

1) The "race hustlers" like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP. Why wouldn't they? It makes them money. Scumbags.
2) White trash, toothless hillbillies that run around hiding their faces with white robes. Spineless dipshits.
3) Dumbfucks


There is NO such thing as racism. There's one fuckin' race...the HUMAN one. Far as I know, we all have DNA, interchangable parts and breathe the same oxygen. That makes us ALL the SAME. We merely LOOK different. Some are white, some dark, and some in between. When someone doesn't like someone (say a white person that doesn't like black people) based on skin color or some other physical feature, or perhaps because of their country of origin, they're IGNORANT, not what we commonly call "racist." Lose that fuckin' word and maybe we'll inch a bit closer to getting along with one another.


PS Since "racism" seems solely based on a person's skin color, which is a physical feature, if I call someone a fat fuck (another physical feature) am I a racist?

Let me guess, your white and male?

Yes. And it should have been "you're." What's your fucking point?

I think she's sayin' you're a racist and that you're also racist to females

lol. Exactly! And you're a grammar nazi to boot!

Actually, my point was: "There is NO such thing as racism" is a ridiculous statement.

& It is indeed racism "When someone doesn't like someone (say a white person that doesn't like black people) based on skin color or some other physical feature, or perhaps because of their country of origin, "

I agree with your one human race sentiment, though.

*Laura wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Unfortunately... That was my first thought after I've read that.People keep forgetting this board is viewed by many eyes all over the world.

Shut up. Since when in the fuck are you the Boards' Liason? Leave that shit to me, Romanian.

Zip it,American.Learn how to spell.It's "Liaison".

Here we go....as it stands right now...Dean 1 Laura 1.


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"Dude, I'll never fucking understand why he decided to cut the band's balls off in 1986."

Sorry, Arnel was trashed pretty badly on this board and very badly on Journey Forums. I think there were even pictures posted and continual comments about dogs, etc. It's hard to have a conversation about the music and/or if Arnel would have ever fit in Journey just amongst ourselves with all the really sorry posts that were being put here a couple of weeks ago. I loved Arnel and still do but after picking through most of the garbage that some posted, I found the posts against his accent to be the most compelling. I still wonder if he could be polished up.

conversationpc wrote:

There's absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting the guy in Journey because of his accent or wanting it to remain an all-American band. However, there were definitely some comments that were over the line.

Precisely. And yes, I know it was only a few that went over the line.

I for one agree with the general sentiment. I think he's a great singer, but the accent does come through in parts and that is just part of the package that will be a VERY hard sell for Journey fans.

I told management this when I was still in contact with them. This will be a very very hard sell.

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

... and drummer Steve Smith (who went to become a famed jazz drummer in his own right ...)

Smitty got his props!



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Saint John wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Unfortunately... That was my first thought after I've read that.People keep forgetting this board is viewed by many eyes all over the world.

Shut up. Since when in the fuck are you the Boards' Liason? Leave that shit to me, Romanian.

Zip it,American.Learn how to spell.It's "Liaison".

Here we go....as it stands right now...Dean 1 Laura 1.

Trust me, I have a Dirty Bomb that would cover her ass in one fell drop. Just waiting to release this bad boy.

strangegrey wrote:

People have a right to *not* agree with the idea of picking up Arnel....for whatever reason....and someone had better have a damn good reason and proof before calling the disagreement/opinion 'racist'....

The fact of the matter is that I am firmly seated in the group that feels it's an 'outsourcing' measure....and one designed to allow Neal and Jon to shit all over their singer....something they tried to do with every singer they've had. Finally, they've found a guy that can sing like Perry....but will also be a respectful, good, docile employee....

just like when a misogynist goes out and finds a Japanese wife....knowing full well he can walk all over and she'll respect him for it!

No difference here.

That's NOT racist. In fact, my objections are more out of concern for Arnel's dignity than not.

Journey continues to make idiotically stupid decision after stupid decision.....hiring Arnel would be yet another huge nail in a coffin that's already 6 feet under and rotting....

Yep...well said Frank.
The problem was perhaps more in the way some of the messages were delivered. Everyone can have an opinion and some of the opinions had concern about Arnel's nationality and the natural challenges they would present in selling him to the American public as a lead vocalist for such an iconic band.

That's not being racist at all...but some of the points made could have been construed as such, so I ask people to choose their words carefully, as the members of this board are from more than 20 countries!!!
We are a mini Melodic United Nations!

styxman wrote:

I'll abide by whatever T Bone and Drew say but please for fuck's sake no more Racist labelling.

Sure. Let's call certain posts "inappropriate" then

That's far more acurate anyway.

Andrew, while I myself was pissed at some of the stuff said, this does sound to be a sensational sour grapes write up. I would immediately write a rebuttal, explaining the fact you allow opinion, and the expressed opinion on this board does NOT express the viewpoint of the Board owner. Then, go on and explain that Journey themselves are utilizing and manipulating this Board for their own personal gain, and that you have no problem with it. You need to write something asap. Hell, let me do it.

CatEyes wrote:

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and paints us all with one brush,

ALL newbies are fat donut eating BT''ers

Man!

Now I can only think of donuts! mmmm, GLAZED,





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Aaron wrote:

The article is bollocks to me. The writer doesn't have his facts straight which kills the credibility of his article. Calling the race card is just another ploy to sell the article ... I have little time for that shit. The bottom line is this dude sings with an accent that is audible and therefore, I'm not interested. The Journey "brand" is an American one that I also think should stay whole. That surely doesn't make me a racist. If a Philippino band was looking for a singer to keep their heritage and wouldn't consider an American one would I care, FUCK NO. It's their right to maintain that heritage and I would not label them racists for doing so. I think people pull the race card to stir the pot, cause trouble, and sell news (yawn). If you're buying into it, then you support what they're doing.

How true!!! This is a filipino article written to incite the filipino readers into being outraged that the BIG BAD forums were mean to itty bitty Arnel. Andrew, I'm sorry if it reflected badly on your site, but I do not for one minute believe that this will make a real negative impact on MR. I believe I was one of the first to comment about Journey being an "American" band, and I didn't want a non-dominantly-English-speaker singer leading it. I still don't. If anyone thinks I'm racist because of that, so be it.

On a similar note, I find it very interesting that the same person who told me that I was not letting Jeff's 'body get cold' before talking about Jeremey is so gung-ho to see Arnel get the gig. I think I'd rather be a racist than a hypocrite.

Well, if Arnie (can we call him Arnie yet?) gets the gig, I think Frontiers should start touring the country and blow Journey off the stage.

Rockindeano wrote:

Andrew, while I myself was pissed at some of the stuff said, this does sound to be a sensational sour grapes write up. I would immediately write a rebuttal, explaining the fact you allow opinion, and the expressed opinion on this board does NOT express the viewpoint of the Board owner. Then, go on and explain that Journey themselves are utilizing and manipulating this Board for their own personal gain, and that you have no problem with it. You need to write something asap. Hell, let me do it.

Deano, your addition to your avatar makes it hard to read your posts damnit!!!


Second, Yes... Andrew should write something up to say that any posts or opinions here do not reflect the opinion of the owner or the website or something to that effect.

Third,... As for Arnel, I think he's got a great voice and is a pretty damn good singer. Do I think he's right for Journey? Probably not, because as Andrew said, it would be a hard sell and the "Die Hards" would flee. The best bet would be to go with someone who already has a name from that era of music, or with Perry (If they could put ego's aside and patch up the bullshit). Going with a No-Name id a 50/50 shot. You possibly gain some interested new fans, but then you'll also possibly lose alot of long-time fans as well.


Last, Maybe the word "Inappropriate" would better suit some of the things said, but again I'll say that the way they were written and the culture they were directed at can easily be taken as racist by a reader. Please remember, it doesn't really matter what the posters intent is if the delivery and words are taken wrong. Better Delivery could definately be used and on top of that, some things are just better left unsaid.



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Rick wrote:

Well, if Arnie (can we call him Arnie yet?) gets the gig, I think Frontiers should start touring the country and blow Journey off the stage.

Perhaps Journey could open for Frontiers...

donnaplease wrote:

Rick wrote:

Well, if Arnie (can we call him Arnie yet?) gets the gig, I think Frontiers should start touring the country and blow Journey off the stage.

Perhaps Journey could open for Frontiers...

I can only hope that was typed in jest.

donnaplease wrote:

I believe I was one of the first to comment about Journey being an "American" band, and I didn't want a non-dominantly-English-speaker singer leading it. I still don't. If anyone thinks I'm racist because of that, so be it.

No Donna. I am too lazy to go get the exact wording, but you did say you didn't want Arnel singing in Journey because he was "Not an American citizen."

That still boggles my mind.

"waiting for the body to get cold" that wasn't me. }:C) i did agree though!! }:C)

i love arnel but i'm not gung ho... i could give a rats behind who they hire. i do have to say though it would be interesting to see what he would bring. especially after some voice lessons... to help with the accent. i think a lot of people would be surprised & maybe even eat crow. as for journey... i'm done. i was mostly trying to defend arnel who was taking a nasty beating. my gung ho left june 16th. }:C((


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