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RonaldDupris wrote:How can a lawsuit kill the band and stop them from performing? Just sounds like Luke is pissed off and letting out steam.
Ehwmatt wrote:I didn't notice that, but all in all, I was very happy with the finished product. It looks and sounds fantastic on my OLED TV. You should definitely snag a copy, TNC. You'll like it.
If there are some dorks out there acting like it's some cobbled together product with poor editing, overdubs, or whatever, fear not. This is not the FIB Live DVD -- far from it. That was a total fiasco. 40 Trips is one of the best concert discs I've seen/heard in a long time.
Sundet wrote:RonaldDupris wrote:How can a lawsuit kill the band and stop them from performing? Just sounds like Luke is pissed off and letting out steam.
I guess Jeff Porcaro, as founder and corporate member of the band, co-owned the Toto name and brand, the co-ownership of which was transferred to his heirs (i.e. his wife) upon his death. This is plain guesswork, but technically I suppose this entitles Susan Porcaro, under given circumstances (should as a lawsuit over royalties), to file for a cease & desist order against the band using the name 'Toto' as such, as this generates contested income. I guess the band could still tour as 'David Paich's Toto' or something like that (cf. the two current incarnations of Yes), but with Paich currently out of the touring loop I wouldn't think this is a viable option. This being said, I have absolutely no idea of how ownership of the band name and brand is distributed, but I think it would have made sense for Paich and Jeff Porcaro to own the band name, and for the others to be corporate members (currently Lukather, Steve Porcaro and Williams). In any event, the legal battles into which the band appear to be continuously drawn are very unfortunate indeed.
RonaldDupris wrote:How can a lawsuit kill the band and stop them from performing? Just sounds like Luke is pissed off and letting out steam.
Andrew wrote:RonaldDupris wrote:Know the facts before blowing your trumpet.
WalrusOct9 wrote:
But...can you do this literally 27 years after the fact? If there's a lawsuit, it'd probably more likely to be between Bobby and the actual band, not Jeff's estate. Obviously I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt there'd be much of a case after letting the band continue for 25-plus years post-Jeff.
WalrusOct9 wrote:
I hate to say they're doing it for the money, but nothing Luke or Joe do is gonna make as much in a year doing anything as they would from doing 30-40 Toto shows..I don't know about Steve P or Dave. (let's assume Luke's Ringo gig isn't going to go on forever, even though it feels like it at this point)
Sundet wrote:WalrusOct9 wrote:
But...can you do this literally 27 years after the fact? If there's a lawsuit, it'd probably more likely to be between Bobby and the actual band, not Jeff's estate. Obviously I'm not a lawyer, but I doubt there'd be much of a case after letting the band continue for 25-plus years post-Jeff.
Of course you can, as long as you own the brand. Unless his will stated otherwise I'm pretty sure that, upon his death, all of Jeff's business matters relating to Toto, likely including rights to the name, royalties, publishing and whatnot, fell to his estate. My guess is that this has worked fairly well up until recently. Apparently the lawsuit filed by Susan Porcaro Goings relates to the distribution of publishing income from Africa. Under most circumstances this is a management issue, and it may well be, for it seems that the lawsuit coincided with Steve Lukather taking up management duties for the band (hence, the lawsuit was filed against Lukather and Paich). So Susan Porcaro Goings might have an issue with current management arrangements too. The less than flattering remarks made about her in Lukather's book certainly suggest that relations aren't exactly cordial and with whatever is going on I guess that these remarks haven't much helped bring about an amicable settlement. In any event, as the head of Jeff's estate and as such, I suppose, co-owner of the Toto brand, there is a chance that Susan Porcaro Goings may have a case for a cease & desist order, unless the band start billing themselves as David Paich's Toto (supposing that ownership of the Toto brand was shared by David and Jeff). But with David Paich out of the touring carousel such a billing probably won't make much sense (and, frankly, look rather weird in any case).
Note that the above is pure guesswork and speculation. Only those involved know the details and, frankly, it's literally none of our business.WalrusOct9 wrote:
I hate to say they're doing it for the money, but nothing Luke or Joe do is gonna make as much in a year doing anything as they would from doing 30-40 Toto shows..I don't know about Steve P or Dave. (let's assume Luke's Ringo gig isn't going to go on forever, even though it feels like it at this point)
I'm not sure any of the band really need the Toto money, although their personal finances are absolutely not any of ours, nor really anyone's, business. But you've got to remember that Joe's father is none other than John Williams. As for David Paich, Lukather has often joked that he drives around in Calabasas in his golden golf cart to collect his Africa publishing checks. Steve Porcaro wrote Human Nature but he has alluded to having sold the publishing rights for that song.
Sundet wrote:The DVD sounds great in my opinion. To be honest, I couldn't care less if Steve P alternated between long sleeves, short sleeves and nudity as long as it sounds as good as this.
RonaldDupris wrote:Now here's a thought, does anyone think Paich's absence from the band is connected to the ongoing lawsuits? Susan's lawsuit and David's leave did occur very close to one another. I'm not saying that's the case but it is interesting that with everything going on within Toto right now, Dave is MIA. Even on social media, he's been totally silent.
Sundet wrote:Very interesting interview with Lukather, who pretty much alludes to the band coming to an end next month:
http://www.azculture.com/interview-with-steve-lukather-vocalist-and-guitarist-of-toto/?fbclid=IwAR1E4iVhzyotjm7N2JOk2w0DW4_t2O2ixRkdyTO5RPakylaZ-e1ntABVk-g
RonaldDupris wrote:Is it a case of, she co-owns the rights to the band (along with Dave)?
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