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SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Gone is the confidant James Young who had his finger on the pulse of everything Styx.
This is a must listen to interview to understand the current $tyx dynamic. Shocking really shocking. And truly sad.
He admits that Alpha Dog is indeed $haw and Young as I have already posted.
TMB is absolutely positively $haw and Young as well. Chuck is not a full member.
$haw inc. has completely marginalized JY starting with The Mission and the last straw is Evankovich on stage for no apparent reason other than he’s Tommy’s self appointed new member.
JY’s recent performances have been cause for concern with fans everywhere.
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/788126895/ ... om-lounges
ChicagoSTYX wrote:SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Gone is the confidant James Young who had his finger on the pulse of everything Styx.
This is a must listen to interview to understand the current $tyx dynamic. Shocking really shocking. And truly sad.
He admits that Alpha Dog is indeed $haw and Young as I have already posted.
TMB is absolutely positively $haw and Young as well. Chuck is not a full member.
$haw inc. has completely marginalized JY starting with The Mission and the last straw is Evankovich on stage for no apparent reason other than he’s Tommy’s self appointed new member.
JY’s recent performances have been cause for concern with fans everywhere.
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/788126895/ ... om-lounges
JY is doing a bunch of interviews to promote the album. You always seem to leave out what JY is dealing with at home. How convenient. Watch this interview with LG for some real insight into how the band is managed and not Queen B’s twisting and spinning a load of crap.
https://youtu.be/t2Ql4xe848U
LtVanish wrote:Right from his website-
"Will Evankovich is a producer, performer and songwriter, best known for his performances with Styx, The Guess Who, rock duo Shaw/Blades, and most recently producing and cowriting Styx "the Mission" as well as The Guess Who "The future is what it used to be" albums released in 2017 & 2018. He is also known for his co-production of Tommy Shaw's (Styx) 2011 debut bluegrass album, "The Great Divide".
Already he is most know for his performances with Styx, over his years with the Guess Who. Pretty soon it's going to be Will Evankovich's Styx featuring a bunch of people you've never heard of. He's only 49 years old, and ready to take over the Styx name.
ChicagoSTYX wrote:SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Gone is the confidant James Young who had his finger on the pulse of everything Styx.
This is a must listen to interview to understand the current $tyx dynamic. Shocking really shocking. And truly sad.
He admits that Alpha Dog is indeed $haw and Young as I have already posted.
TMB is absolutely positively $haw and Young as well. Chuck is not a full member.
$haw inc. has completely marginalized JY starting with The Mission and the last straw is Evankovich on stage for no apparent reason other than he’s Tommy’s self appointed new member.
JY’s recent performances have been cause for concern with fans everywhere.
https://www.npr.org/podcasts/788126895/ ... om-lounges
JY is doing a bunch of interviews to promote the album. You always seem to leave out what JY is dealing with at home. How convenient. Watch this interview with LG for some real insight into how the band is managed and not Queen B’s twisting and spinning a load of crap.
https://youtu.be/t2Ql4xe848U
yogi wrote:Here’s my honest opinion on this topic & only this topic. First off I have not listened to THIS current JY interview. I heard the last one and thought it was excellent.JY did a great job. I’m real sorry what JY’s wife, JY & his family are going thru. Since I listened to the last interview but not this one yet. I’m still gonna comment. I’d compare my insight on this, to listening to 30 sec off each song from a new album then giving an album review. Sorry Suite but I couldn’t resist.
I’ll start my insight off with some questions. If Styx, DDY or any band sells 150,000 copies of a new album plus a bunch of streams of that album & certain songs off their new album do they make money? Is the money worth the time & effort?
With these questions I would venture to guess that JY & Dennis are of the exact same thought process in that it’s just not worth the time & hassle to produce new music. Why???
The hard core 70’s, & 80’s Styx fans( still living) that come to their shows want to hear hits. The super hard core fans ( 100,000 - 150,000) want new material but not so much that it impacts the songs they really want to hear at a concert ( mostly hits with a few surprises). Now, the SUPER SUPER hard cores( US) want to hear NEW MUSIC & deep cuts. But, there isn’t enough of us (that are still alive) spread out around the country to fill up an Arby’s for a concert of new material Shit if Styx or DDY were to do this for like 50 dates at different Arby’s in select cities around the USA they probably couldn’t draw 500 people per date unless they
were to give away free roast beef sandwiches with each ticket sold.
Because of Jim P, & Will E we got new material from Dennis & Tommy. Had there been no Covid the rest of the players in DDY’s & Tommy’s bands could of cared less about creating new material. Tommy’s now very creative because of Will’s push, Dennis is done.
As for JY he just wants to play live as the Grandfather of Styx. He doesn’t care that it’s now Tommy’s band. But he does want to play live as a great escape for life’s trials & as the now what he feels his role is the gatekeeper of Styx. I think he feels a responsibility to be there at the shows.
My 2 cents. I’m not gonna proof this & it may make 0 sense.
yogi wrote:Here’s my honest opinion on this topic & only this topic. First off I have not listened to THIS current JY interview. I heard the last one and thought it was excellent.JY did a great job. I’m real sorry what JY’s wife, JY & his family are going thru. Since I listened to the last interview but not this one yet. I’m still gonna comment. I’d compare my insight on this, to listening to 30 sec off each song from a new album then giving an album review. Sorry Suite but I couldn’t resist.
I’ll start my insight off with some questions. If Styx, DDY or any band sells 150,000 copies of a new album plus a bunch of streams of that album & certain songs off their new album do they make money? Is the money worth the time & effort?
With these questions I would venture to guess that JY & Dennis are of the exact same thought process in that it’s just not worth the time & hassle to produce new music. Why???
The hard core 70’s, & 80’s Styx fans( still living) that come to their shows want to hear hits. The super hard core fans ( 100,000 - 150,000) want new material but not so much that it impacts the songs they really want to hear at a concert ( mostly hits with a few surprises). Now, the SUPER SUPER hard cores( US) want to hear NEW MUSIC & deep cuts. But, there isn’t enough of us (that are still alive) spread out around the country to fill up an Arby’s for a concert of new material Shit if Styx or DDY were to do this for like 50 dates at different Arby’s in select cities around the USA they probably couldn’t draw 500 people per date unless they
were to give away free roast beef sandwiches with each ticket sold. JY just like DDY know this and even though they are artists they figure no way is this a good idea. Money trumps new art at this point in their careers.
Because of Jim P, & Will E we got new material from Dennis & Tommy. Had there been no Covid the rest of the players in DDY’s & Tommy’s bands could of cared less about creating new material. Tommy’s now very creative because of Will’s push, Dennis is done.
As for JY he just wants to play live as the Grandfather of Styx. He doesn’t care that it’s now Tommy’s band. But he does want to play live as a great escape for life’s trials & as the now what he feels his role is the gatekeeper of Styx. I think he feels a responsibility to be there at the shows.
My 2 cents. I’m not gonna proof this & it may make 0 sense.
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:yogi wrote:Here’s my honest opinion on this topic & only this topic. First off I have not listened to THIS current JY interview. I heard the last one and thought it was excellent.JY did a great job. I’m real sorry what JY’s wife, JY & his family are going thru. Since I listened to the last interview but not this one yet. I’m still gonna comment. I’d compare my insight on this, to listening to 30 sec off each song from a new album then giving an album review. Sorry Suite but I couldn’t resist.
I’ll start my insight off with some questions. If Styx, DDY or any band sells 150,000 copies of a new album plus a bunch of streams of that album & certain songs off their new album do they make money? Is the money worth the time & effort?
With these questions I would venture to guess that JY & Dennis are of the exact same thought process in that it’s just not worth the time & hassle to produce new music. Why???
The hard core 70’s, & 80’s Styx fans( still living) that come to their shows want to hear hits. The super hard core fans ( 100,000 - 150,000) want new material but not so much that it impacts the songs they really want to hear at a concert ( mostly hits with a few surprises). Now, the SUPER SUPER hard cores( US) want to hear NEW MUSIC & deep cuts. But, there isn’t enough of us (that are still alive) spread out around the country to fill up an Arby’s for a concert of new material Shit if Styx or DDY were to do this for like 50 dates at different Arby’s in select cities around the USA they probably couldn’t draw 500 people per date unless they
were to give away free roast beef sandwiches with each ticket sold. JY just like DDY know this and even though they are artists they figure no way is this a good idea. Money trumps new art at this point in their careers.
Because of Jim P, & Will E we got new material from Dennis & Tommy. Had there been no Covid the rest of the players in DDY’s & Tommy’s bands could of cared less about creating new material. Tommy’s now very creative because of Will’s push, Dennis is done.
As for JY he just wants to play live as the Grandfather of Styx. He doesn’t care that it’s now Tommy’s band. But he does want to play live as a great escape for life’s trials & as the now what he feels his role is the gatekeeper of Styx. I think he feels a responsibility to be there at the shows.
My 2 cents. I’m not gonna proof this & it may make 0 sense.
Yogi you really should listen unless your worried that it will taint your appreciation for COTC.
This is like no other interview he has ever given. This is not the man who spoke with Dan Rather. He has no idea about anything involving the band nor the music that has been created.
Sorry but the ability to make money on sales is way beyond my pay grade. The 160,000 total sales figures are available individually on line then just add them up.
JY is in a band and now follows its leader Shaw. Dennis is by himself so it’s apples to oranges although they are both intelligent observant adults. They see the reality of the music business. Dennis chose to record with some encouragement from Jim Peterik.
JY with full power to say no gave in because he knew Tommy has the real power not him and he had no choice. He has said in interviews that he was not in favor of new music.
All $haw inc. BATHWATER drinkers this is what a dictator actually looks like.
Here’s where we disagree.
Until this interview and a similar one at KSHE, there may be others, he has never sounded like this. Again please listen.
I think he absolutely cares that it’s Tommy’s band. If it were you Yogi you would care just like anyone would. The Godfather as he calls himself claims to be the only member to play every show until recently. Of course he cares. He never counted on Tommy working in secret. As I have said before, look at Alpha Dog 2 and TMB they are equal partners in both companies. There are no others. No Chuck. JY never imagined that Tommy would join up with Will Evankovich behind his back, proclaim him producer then put him on stage. But he did. JY considers himself a producer.
If JY only wants to play live he has a strange way of showing it. Please watch the recent shows, he looks miserable and many fans are commenting and are concerned.
I believe Will being on stage is understandably too much for his ego. I do not think he wanted that. Especially because it’s another guitar player. After listening to JY interviews for 20 years I don’t understand how his personality and his over the top image of himself would allow that unless he felt powerless.
He has gone from the caretaker to the man who walks behind the king holding his mantle.
Please listen to the interview.
ztyxlynne wrote: I have said this before, Will will replace JY when he retires. I believe thats why he is on stage more and more.He sounds tired unfourtunatly. He needs to be with his wife more as he should be..
Archetype wrote:Is there any good footage of Will really playing and/or singing? Does he have the chops and vocal ability to replace JY? So far he certainly hasn’t been utilized in such a way.
ztyxlynne wrote:Archetype wrote:Is there any good footage of Will really playing and/or singing? Does he have the chops and vocal ability to replace JY? So far he certainly hasn’t been utilized in such a way.
I have looked at Guess Who shows on You Tube. I see him singing back up and lead guitar. He sings back up on Mission, COTC, and I believe Tommys solo shows. So he must have a good voice. No dig on JY but he cant be worse than him, but how would he be on Miss Armerica??
BTW, I see Rudy Sarzo who was Will's bandmate in The Guess Who is going back Quiot Riot. So thats probably why Will is touring with Styx and it would be logical for him to replece JY. I think it'll happen sooner than later also, and dont forget. In the past it seemed like it was JY holding up Styx from releasing new music. So Will might be a shot in the arm they need.
I also found it very interesting that he has almost no timeline and when any of these new songs were made including once even left over from The Mission. So is he that much out of the loop??
ztyxlynne wrote:Archetype wrote:Is there any good footage of Will really playing and/or singing? Does he have the chops and vocal ability to replace JY? So far he certainly hasn’t been utilized in such a way.
I have looked at Guess Who shows on You Tube. I see him singing back up and lead guitar. He sings back up on Mission, COTC, and I believe Tommys solo shows. So he must have a good voice. No dig on JY but he cant be worse than him, but how would he be on Miss Armerica??
BTW, I see Rudy Sarzo who was Will's bandmate in The Guess Who is going back Quiot Riot. So thats probably why Will is touring with Styx and it would be logical for him to replece JY. I think it'll happen sooner than later also, and dont forget. In the past it seemed like it was JY holding up Styx from releasing new music. So Will might be a shot in the arm they need.
I also found it very interesting that he has almost no timeline and when any of these new songs were made including once even left over from The Mission. So is he that much out of the loop??
StyxGuy wrote:ztyxlynne wrote:Archetype wrote:Is there any good footage of Will really playing and/or singing? Does he have the chops and vocal ability to replace JY? So far he certainly hasn’t been utilized in such a way.
I have looked at Guess Who shows on You Tube. I see him singing back up and lead guitar. He sings back up on Mission, COTC, and I believe Tommys solo shows. So he must have a good voice. No dig on JY but he cant be worse than him, but how would he be on Miss Armerica??
BTW, I see Rudy Sarzo who was Will's bandmate in The Guess Who is going back Quiot Riot. So thats probably why Will is touring with Styx and it would be logical for him to replece JY. I think it'll happen sooner than later also, and dont forget. In the past it seemed like it was JY holding up Styx from releasing new music. So Will might be a shot in the arm they need.
I also found it very interesting that he has almost no timeline and when any of these new songs were made including once even left over from The Mission. So is he that much out of the loop??
Not sure I could ever enjoy The Guess Who unless Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings were there
yogi wrote:Suite- I had heard this interview before. I’m pretty sure ChicagoStyx posted it on another ‘Assembly Line’. I thought this one was a a different JY interview.
Great interview. The guy doing it did a great job and is a BIG Styx fan. He knows all the ins & outs of Styx from way way back. He actually seemed to know more Styx history than JY did. Had a couple of my growing up buddies go to the MN show that night. They both texted me after and said Styx was GREAT.
As per the interview JY was fantastic. To me he seems perfectly at ease & aware that Tommy is now the sole Alpha Dog. JYs got a lot on his plate and I’m guessing that touring keeps him in a good happy place & is probably his main reliever of stress during this brutal time for his wife & entire family. I believe with his personal situation he’s happy to be The Godfather up on stage overseeing the band, and earning some $$$. This is his great escape from a current painful reality. That’s how I see it.
My point is simple and has always been the fundamental motivation for my posts
Tommy an JY lied to the fans and replaced Dennis for money.
Not Robots or ballads or phony Broadway, or claims of a dictatorship.
They did all of that 27 years after the so called ruination of Styx by Dennis.
Forget about EOTC
and two successful reunion tours
Don’t look there look over here.
They started it all on BTM. Very publicly and Dennis had not yet sued them.
HE HAD NOT YET SUED THEM. That is a fact. Watching them attempt to destroy him on TV is what led to the suit. Tommy and JY started it.
They destroyed a loyal fan base and set them against each other, again for money.
That’s $haw true legacy. He refused to finish BNW without a tour which for the second time caused Styx to crash. JY never refused to keep recording.
---“Classic Rock magazine has just announced that Jim Peterik and Dennis DeYoung have been secretly working on a new Styx concept album for over a year. DeYoung has also said Peterik will be their new producer and will join them onstage as a third guitarist”.
--Tommy and JY were not in favor of this project. Shaw says “I just couldn’t think of any songs about going to the moon”.
Imagine that. Because that’s just what happened but with different names.
--- That is what a dictator does.
Monker wrote:They started it all on BTM. Very publicly and Dennis had not yet sued them.
HE HAD NOT YET SUED THEM. That is a fact. Watching them attempt to destroy him on TV is what led to the suit. Tommy and JY started it.
Oh, really. You are saying that Dennis DeYoung sued Styx because of the BTM. You are stating that as a fact?
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