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Monker wrote:Sorry, but these chart positions are not billboard top 40 pop songs. Journey never had a number 1 song. 'Open Arms' was number 2 for weeks kept out of number one by Joan Jett and several other songs. So,I know it is a b.s. list based on another chart, or simply inaccurate.
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Monker wrote:Sorry, but these chart positions are not billboard top 40 pop songs. Journey never had a number 1 song. 'Open Arms' was number 2 for weeks kept out of number one by Joan Jett and several other songs. So,I know it is a b.s. list based on another chart, or simply inaccurate.
According to Billboard which I checked you’re right it seems of the artists tied at 16 he awarded a number one that never was to Journey and missed that they had 17 top 40 hits.
Styx is perfect it his calculations as are Tom Petty, Van Halen and The Who but Eric Clapton had only 15 top 40 hits not 16. Bon Jovi is also correct. As is Springsteen, Bowie, but Foreigner had 16 top 40.
Still Styx is accurate and tied with or ahead of many artists already in the Hall of Fame. What a shame.
By looking at many of these songs you can see real rock songs had a difficult time at top 40 radio. So many great songs did not fare very well on the crossover nature of this list.
Styx is where they should be which is in with their actual peers which are Hall inductees.
yogi wrote:No matter what the “critics” say Styx was one of the GREATEST most versatile bands in the history of rock & roll. They could rock with the best of them, wrote great pop songs, ballads, had progressive overtones as well as a folksy song or two. Great vocals, guitar work & drumming. Very few if any other bands had their overall musical capabilities and I’ll die on that hill saying so.
Monker wrote:This list is bullshit. They have the chart position of EVERY Journey song wrong. In addition to that, they pick and choose bands to include...and is not complete. Where is Little River Band? They had 13 top 40 hits and were the first rock band to be big in both the U.S. and Australia, yes even before ac/dc. They should absolutely be on this list. It is simply click bait crap.SuiteMadameBlue wrote:Monker wrote:Sorry, but these chart positions are not billboard top 40 pop songs. Journey never had a number 1 song. 'Open Arms' was number 2 for weeks kept out of number one by Joan Jett and several other songs. So,I know it is a b.s. list based on another chart, or simply inaccurate.
According to Billboard which I checked you’re right it seems of the artists tied at 16 he awarded a number one that never was to Journey and missed that they had 17 top 40 hits.
Styx is perfect it his calculations as are Tom Petty, Van Halen and The Who but Eric Clapton had only 15 top 40 hits not 16. Bon Jovi is also correct. As is Springsteen, Bowie, but Foreigner had 16 top 40.
Still Styx is accurate and tied with or ahead of many artists already in the Hall of Fame. What a shame.
By looking at many of these songs you can see real rock songs had a difficult time at top 40 radio. So many great songs did not fare very well on the crossover nature of this list.
Styx is where they should be which is in with their actual peers which are Hall inductees.
Monker wrote:One more thing...n today's world, the new bands included in the HOF are there for the concert and making the HOF money. IMO, this is just another bullshit moment for Dennis to whine and cry for a reunion. The band is completely in the right to say it doesn't matter to them. It's just going to be one more opportunity for Dennis to make a public ass of himself by saying they should all perform at the HOF induction concert....when he knows damn well that he will never perform with Styx on stage ever again. IF Styx performs, it will be without him...and the HOF won't like that because they will not be making money off of a fake reunion.
Therefore, the HOF would never vote Styx in. So, it would be up to the fan vote. If you start looking at lists of bands that are not there but should be, Styx is not being called out very often. So, just like LRB actually, the HOF won't vote them because they won't get a reunion, and they are not popular enough in today's world for the fans to vote them in...which is the only reason Journey is there.
yogi wrote:You are 100% correct about the Little River Band. I forgot about them. Didn't they have a ton of different members? Alot of infighting with them and the use of the Little River Band name too, correct?
Journey got in without Steve Perry performing with them at the ceremony.
Styx definitely deserves the RRHOF. The fighting between Dennis and the rest of the current members should have nothing to do with them being inducted. Their overall body of work should have gotten them in years ago.
Monker wrote:Suite, I don't have the patience or time to go through your triggered rantings...most of which is incomprehensible garbage.
To sum up:
This list is irrelevant. You can't on one hand say: it has errors in the number of hits. Errors in chart placements. Ignores bands that should be in the HOF and doesn't include them. May be based on multiple charts. Then, on the other hand, use it as some kind of evidence that Styx should in the HOF. This list is clickbait bullshit and nothing more.
The reasons Styx will not be in the HOF any time soon:
The nominating committee is bias against them and their era of music. A while back I posted an interview where one of their leaders said that bands like Styx have never even been discussed by the nominating committee. Do you know how many times Styx, Journey, REO, Boston, Kansas, and Foreigner have been nominated to be voted on? A grand total of all of those bands have been nominated to be voted on ZERO times. Those are Styx true peers, not Tom Petty and the like.
Also, like I said, the HOF seems to be getting bands and artists in the HOF who can still perform in concert and gain the HOF money. Because of DDY's antics and whining and crying for a reunion, I doubt very much that Styx would ever do this. It is less likely now than it was even five years ago. It's all about Dennis and IMO they are sick of hearing his name, let alone sharing a stage with him. So, they would either perform with the current lineup, or not at all...and I doubt the HOF would like either one of those options.
So, then you are left with the fan vote - which is how Journey got in. Styx fans are so completely unorganized that they can't even get a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame....which is not that hard. I doubt they have near the numbers to win a vote for the RnR HOF. In addition, people like you spend more time being DeYoung's henchman than trying to unite Styx fans behind a realistic cause. A reunion tour is NOT a realistic cause. A star on the Hollywood WOF is.
This has nothing to do with critiquing whether or not they deserve the HOF. The way the HOF is so biased against Styx era of music is the issue...and how they get bands and artists in, and WHY ($).
Finally, in the early 1970's, Olivia Newton John was less of a rock player than even Kenny Rogers was...and I said LRB was the first ROCK BAND to be a success in both the US and Australia. It was not until Grease came out that she started leaning into rock. LRB was as much rock as the Eagles, who they tried to emulate. In fact, Glen Fry was a fan. Their first hit was "It's a Long Way There" in 1976...well before ONJ turned to rock, and months before AC/DC released "HIgh Voltage", which went nowhere really.
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:The list is not irrelevant you are.
The minor discrepancies do not change the outcome of the listing regarding STYX accomplishments.
And this is what we true Styx fans care about.
A simple positive post about the band we love has you attempting to discredit their accomplishments by criticizing the list.
Can’t have that can you? Your obsession with Dennis is transparent to everyone on this site. If this list were all about Tommy you would not look for flaws you’d love it and everyone on this site knows it.
Olivia Newton John had 5 top ten pop hits before LRB had an
In response to yogi you wrongly claim that LRB the Eagles and Fleetwood Mac were as versatile as Styx.
Your mentioning LRB is stupid when a better case could be made for REO or the Beatles.
Your premise regarding a prejudice toward Styx’s era of music is stupid see Journey, Heart, Steve Miller, Doobie Brothers, Pat Benatar etc. and Tom Petty is a peer.
This is just another hate filled tirade about Dennis
[/quote][/quote]Disorganized fans.
Tommy and JY destroyed the Styx fan base when they replaced Dennis while he was sick in 1999 after two incredibly successful tours.
We the fans were all there again in the late 90’s excited to have them back when we were betrayed by Shaw and Young.
Then they further exacerbated the split with their disgraceful BTM appearance forcing their loyal fan base to choose sides. That’s why the fan base is disorganized. It has been destroyed by greed. And trolls like you.
Monker wrote:Oh, please, if I were irrelevant, you would not spend time replying to me.
Monker wrote:It is not 'minor' to completely fuck up an artists chart history...not mentioning all hit singles and posting the wrong positions for ALL of them that they do list. It is not 'minor' to completely leave other artists off the list. So, when you take Styx chart positions and compare it with others, as both you and Dennis did, you are comparing it with an inaccurate list. Therefore, it is completely invalid.
Monker wrote:There is no such thing as a "true" fan.
Monker wrote:I am NOT discrediting Styx...I am discrediting this list and the RnR HOF.
Monker wrote:The Beatles are already in the RnR HOF. REO will never even be discussed.
LRB opened up the Australian market to the US.
LRB was the first band to have Top 10 Hits for 6 consecutive years.
"Reminiscing" has been played well over 5 million times on American radio alone...earning recognition from BMI as one of America's most played songs...and the highest number ever for an Australian popular song. John Lennon once said it was his favorite song. "Lady" has also been played well over 4 million times.
They also have four lead singers in Glen Shorrock, Beeb Birtles, Graeham Goble and Wayne Nelson. Glenn Frey said LRB was the best singing band in the world.
LRB is a member of the ARIA Hall of Fame, Australia's version of the RnR HOF. They were inducted in 2004.
You are obviously ignorant and do not know what you are talking about.
Monker wrote:Are you completely deranged? This is what was said:
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/rock-ha ... gner-styx/
In a new episode of the WTF podcast, host Marc Maron asked, “Are there bands – and I know you’ve been accused of this before – are there bands you will not, you know, indulge at all? ... There’s been talk of you maybe stifling some people’s membership into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame that feel like they deserve it.”
Wenner replied, “There is talk of that, but I don’t control that. I’m not on the nominating committee.” Asked specifically about Foreigner, he said, “Nothing against Foreigner – in fact, I was very good friends with Mick Jones … but, you know, Foreigner’s name has never come up in a nominating committee to be nominated.”
Maron also asked about REO Speedwagon, Boston and Styx, but Wenner said none of them had been mentioned either. “No, that whole era, it doesn’t come up,” he noted. “I grew up in that era, I went to high school in that era,” Maron replied. “Well, you’re not gonna get in the Hall of Fame either!” Wenner joked. He went on to cite another example: “Bon Jovi – it took years for him to get in.”
So, That era of music is NOT EVEN DISCUSSED. Jann Wenner was NOT blocking anything. He was not even on the nominating committee. That was Dennis speculation and ignorant bullshit. It was also Dennis' bullshit when speculating about JY.
Again, Journey got in because FANS VOTED THEM IN. It had nothing to do with the nominating committee.
You're wrong. It has to do with the RnR HOF.
Monker wrote:Thank you for admitting the fans are disorganized. So, now go and do something constructive. I don't think you can.
SuiteMadameBlue wrote:I dont respond to you because you’re relevant but to point out to everyone on this site how pitiful your misplaced hatred of Dennis is by exposing you in your own words.
A true fan of any musical artist does not mean they are honor bound to love every song they record nor every album. Some songs and albums you will like more than others and some you may not even care for but through it all you stick (Styx) with them because you are a “true fan”. You don’t spend your time fixated on what you didn’t like but rather focusing on the hours of joy you received from their overall work.
Liar. You and everyone on this site know what you’re doing. Deny all you want, everyone knows your prejudice’s and yes in your own words.
Go post your fake LRB concern on the LRB Melodic site. Oh yeah there isn’t one.
Give us examples of LRB’s versatility compared to Styx. I need a good laugh.
John Sykes took over from Jann Wenner in 2019 so from 1997 when Styx became eligible till then he ruled everything so he’s being disingenuous. And so are you. If Styx didn’t come up it was because his minions knew how Wenner felt.
Monker wrote:Thank you for admitting the fans are disorganized. So, now go and do something constructive. I don't think you can.
Still true.
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