Jim Peterik presents World Stage '08

[Eyeof]

Who is it that you guys think Slander really is?

He's got to be Frankie or Frankie's mom....right?

[Slander]

Who is it that you guys think Slander really is?

He's got to be Frankie or Frankie's mom....right?

No relation! I'm not Irish. I don't even live in Illinois!

[axecrew]

....is this proof?? No

You said it yourself axe. There is no proof just your opinion and I respect it. I wish you could recipricate. Do I worship FS? Hardly. I have been critical of FS on the board many times but no one ever mentions that. I just don't have to go on and on with the name calling. In business seldom is everything 1 persons fault. By the way why did JP disagree with JJ's decision in the late 90's to tour with the name? Just curious. Why was JJ critical of DB sing abilities in his 1999 interview with Andrew? His comments were all class. Not everyone is a saint here. Everyone has fallen short from time to time.

How is it I put all those facts in a post and all you can focus on is one line? Would you please do use all a favor and give us a link to where you've been critical of sullivan so us newbies can read it? Where did I call names??? Don't paint with that large brush like that CHRIS. Why are we so critical of you??? Maybe because NOT ONCE have you read a post of ours and said "Ya know you might be right about frankie etc." No, you always jump to defend him. Take your nose down CHRIS and call frankie and tell him to come on here and speak for himself. Terrific...grove= classically trained pianist.....in rock and roll that's equal to being best at coloring between the lines in 3rd grade.....don't mean shit.
Why won't you answer the questions that are ask of you? You ask what I wanted and I told you yet ,you choose to ignore the things that you can't explain away or are too uncomfortable for you to talk about...like for example who you really are. Are you afraid that if it gets out,who I think you are,people will lose respect for you and ignore what you say? Is that it
CHRIS? Are you afraid to be exposed because you are afraid no one will take you seriously anymore? I don't think you should worry 'cause I don't think many on here give you much respect as it is. I really don't remember anyone jumping to your defense whenever we all have these "Discussions" and you start defending at all cost.
Maybe id=f sullivan gave us a reason to be positive, we would. You want positive here it goes.........I'm positive that as good a guitar player as sullivan is,and he is good, I'm equally positive that he was/is the single most destructive person in the history of the band.....a history of petty bs. His pettiness is unbelievable....ya know why Jim didn't play guitar in the band???? Because sullivan pissed a fit about it and said he was the only guitar player in the bandFACT Jim was good enough to play and write a hit before he ever knew sullivan, yet to keep order and for the good of the band he relented and played keyboards.....when has sullivan ever done something like that for the good of the band. You talk about how much you like Jimi as a singer,but yet sullivan's ego got the better of him and he HAD to sing leads on the reach album,this in spite of having Jimi to do it.
While we're talking about songwriting.....this is a legitamate question not a slag on sullivan.....How many hits has sullivan written,outside of his partnership with Jim? How many has Jim written outside of his partnership with sullivan?

[Slander]

How is it I put all those facts in a post and all you can focus on is one line?

Opinions are not facts. By the way how many times do I have to tell you that I wish FS would be more open with fans. Is that not a criticism? I wish the band had put out more work? Is that not a criticism? There are times I haven't like the set list. Is that not a criticism? What I am not going to do is talk about how horrible a human being FS, JP, or JJ are. What purpose does that serve. I don't know their souls. You don't know FS soul. It's not up to me to judge.

[axecrew]

How is it I put all those facts in a post and all you can focus on is one line?

Opinions are not facts. By the way how many times do I have to tell you that I wish FS would be more open with fans. Is that not a criticism? I wish the band had put out more work? Is that not a criticism? There are times I haven't like the set list. Is that not a criticism? What I am not going to do is talk about how horrible a human being FS, JP, or JJ are. What purpose does that serve. I don't know their souls. You don't know FS soul. It's not up to me to judge.

Again picking and choosing Chris,but ignoring the bulk of the post. As far as knowing their souls.....you're right I don't, but I think you'll agree that watching how someone treats others is a good indication of what they are as a person.

Be more specific...give examples.....open like what?

[Slander]

but I think you'll agree that watching how someone treats others is a good indication of what they are as a person.

So when JJ says in a 1999 interview that Dave does it have anymore what am I to conclude? That JJ is classless? I don't. He is a very nice man. Or when JJ calls Frank a demon etc. I know JJ is better than that. I reserve judgement. I truly believe unless you are really INSIDE the SURVIVOR family than no one really knows the truth. Quite frankly it's none of our business. So I ask again axe, who are you? Are you a relative? Is that why the rage and anger. I have been nothing but complimentary to JP. He is a class act. I pay him my biggest compliment by buying his material when it is released. So just what is your argument with me? I have pointed out in this post where JP has gone out of his way to compliment FS talents. Talents which you have done your best to marginalize for inexplicable reasons. From JP's comments I say they contradict your opinion of FS abilities. I don't have to talk to people in the biz, I can read it in black and white straight from JP himself.

[Joe Vana]

How is it I put all those facts in a post and all you can focus on is one line?

Opinions are not facts. By the way how many times do I have to tell you that I wish FS would be more open with fans. Is that not a criticism? I wish the band had put out more work? Is that not a criticism? There are times I haven't like the set list. Is that not a criticism? What I am not going to do is talk about how horrible a human being FS, JP, or JJ are. What purpose does that serve. I don't know their souls. You don't know FS soul. It's not up to me to judge.

Again picking and choosing Chris,but ignoring the bulk of the post. As far as knowing their souls.....you're right I don't, but I think you'll agree that watching how someone treats others is a good indication of what they are as a person.

Be more specific...give examples.....open like what?

Hi Axecrew....

To say Joel Hoekstra (excellent choice for Night Ranger) and Mike Aquino blow away Frankie Sullivan (I have worked with all three) is not a fair statement. I LOVE Mike's playing....and Joel is amazing....but to compare a player of someone else's parts to the originator of the parts is what people who don't play do...Mike thinks Frankie is amazing...we have discussed it....and I sat with Mike for 1000 plus hours with a guitar in his hand.....I am quite familiar with his prowess....and no one respects Mike more than I do....but Frankie is an amazing player, hate him if you like, but as a player, a rhythm player and a writer of amazing riffs, he is one of the tops ever in music....and you would not be on this messageboard without him...because to be a fan of Survivor, you need to at least respect what he did....because he co-wrote EVERY FUCKING Survivor song.....

I really am no homer for Frankie...I have given props to JP and all that he has accomplished.....he is 1000 percent more prolific than Sullivan as it comes to writing....JP is always writing, Sullivan doesn't write as much as Jim...no way....but I can say that last week for example FS was writing with in my opinion to be the greatest riff guitarsist in Rock history....but FS keeps it all quiet...that's his perogative...

I see alot of mud being slung here, but to what end....just to argue, just to slam people you don't really know??? I saw the term "in the business" thrown around....well I am in the business whether I like it or not, and have been for sometime.....

Cut and paste what you like....but I would be saying the same things if Peterik was getting bashed, he gave me my start and we worked 1000's of hours together...I would have never worked with alot of the guys I have without him....except the Toto boys and others....but he deserves alot of credit....but in the end the name and band Survivor are Frankie Sullivan's.....he can play 10 shows a year or a 100....it is up to him...and the name in lights outside the door will say SURVIVOR....

Axecrew, respectfully, how we treat others DOES reflect on who we are as people....so how WE (including you) treat others on this board apply as well....and I try to treat everybody on this board with respect even though my opinion is usually in the minority......yet, I am the only guy posting on here who has intimately worked with almost everybody discussed here.....

JV

[Slander]

God you are funny. You don't need to defend him,but yet everytime he tells you to,you're on here spouting the gospel according to frank.

I have no relationship with FS. I said hello to him last August. I am not an agent for the FS camp. I should be so lucky to have talented people like FS in my life. I am a Survivor fan that wants all parties past and present to thrive. I don't see the point in tearing down anyone. Wouldn't it be great in 2008 if we had a new JJ/JP collaboration and a new Survivor album? Now that's what I want to see. I want to be debating music not whom did what to who. Let's let the anger go.

[Slander]

but I can say that last week for example FS was writing with in my opinion to be the greatest riff guitarsist in Rock history....

....well I am in the business whether I like it or not, and have been for sometime.....

JV

Joe I been looking for your updates on your myspace page. I can't wait to hear it. By the way I told a woman who does a podcast out of Nashville about Mecca and yourself. She has interviewed JP, Kevin Cronin etc. I told her you would be a great candidate for the show. She agreed and I think she has been trying to get a hold of you if you are interested. Her name is Colleen Curtis. She is in a band as well. Her website is firepitfriday.com. JV I will do my best to spread the word about MECCA 2. Her email is fpfthepodcast@mac.com.

[Red13JoePa]

And I'm guiltry of kissing Peterik's ass

Joe Vana, put your raincoat on w/ SMan on the prowl.

[Slander]

:lol:
And I'm guiltry of kissing Peterik's ass

Joe Vana, put your raincoat on w/ SMan on the prowl.

Red just to let you know I bought Mecca's first album because of JP. I bought JLT's Sunstorm album because of JP. So I have done my share of puckering up to JP. I honor his talents by buying his product. You will never see me bash JP. I recognize what he meant to Survivor. I however will not stand by and watch other marginalize FS contributions.

[jrnyman28]

Wouldn't it be great in 2008 if we had a new JJ/JP collaboration and a new Survivor album?

Which one do you think will be better? (IF it happens)

[MarcelJordan]

Wouldn't it be great in 2008 if we had a new JJ/JP collaboration and a new Survivor album?

Which one do you think will be better? (IF it happens)

I would think Survivor's would be getting a more edge because my feeling is that JJ/JP stuff will be more to a country vein (sort of like Bon Jovi's latest effort), While FS/RM would be more harder stuff.

Well this is just one man's opinion.

[Red13JoePa]

There's nothing with Jamo's exquisite vox on it that can be remotely bad, but I'll defer to Marcel here, I think what is HOPEFULLY the new Survivor album will rock harder overal.

Even Reach for all the mellow parts, when it rocks, it BLASTS.

[Slander]

Wouldn't it be great in 2008 if we had a new JJ/JP collaboration and a new Survivor album?

Which one do you think will be better? (IF it happens)

Why can't we just enjoy both without downgrading one or another? I look forward to the day when we get great music from all three camps!

[jrnyman28]

Wouldn't it be great in 2008 if we had a new JJ/JP collaboration and a new Survivor album?

Which one do you think will be better? (IF it happens)

Why can't we just enjoy both without downgrading one or another? I look forward to the day when we get great music from all three camps!

I did not downgrade anything and I am not asking you to downgrade anything. Quit being so damn PC and give your opinion. Which one would you prefer? As some have said already, it is presumed to be a choice between Survivor rockin' or JJ's mellow vocals. Do you agree, disagree, what? Besides, how can you downgrade when it is purely hypothetical and highly unlikely to happen. This is fantasy at the moment, make believe.....

[Slander]

[quote="jrnyman28"][quote="Slander"]
Quit being so damn PC and give your opinion. Which one would you prefer? quote]

No one is going to accuse me of being pc on this board! LOL. I always have a target on me. I'm looking forward to Survivor more just because we've heard JAMO recently on REACH. I'm curious to see how Robin and Frankie put a new Survivor sound together. Have you listened to Robin's "Business As Usual?"

[axecrew]

How is it I put all those facts in a post and all you can focus on is one line?

Opinions are not facts. By the way how many times do I have to tell you that I wish FS would be more open with fans. Is that not a criticism? I wish the band had put out more work? Is that not a criticism? There are times I haven't like the set list. Is that not a criticism? What I am not going to do is talk about how horrible a human being FS, JP, or JJ are. What purpose does that serve. I don't know their souls. You don't know FS soul. It's not up to me to judge.

Again picking and choosing Chris,but ignoring the bulk of the post. As far as knowing their souls.....you're right I don't, but I think you'll agree that watching how someone treats others is a good indication of what they are as a person.

Be more specific...give examples.....open like what?

Hi Axecrew....

To say Joel Hoekstra (excellent choice for Night Ranger) and Mike Aquino blow away Frankie Sullivan (I have worked with all three) is not a fair statement. I LOVE Mike's playing....and Joel is amazing....but to compare a player of someone else's parts to the originator of the parts is what people who don't play do...Mike thinks Frankie is amazing...we have discussed it....and I sat with Mike for 1000 plus hours with a guitar in his hand.....I am quite familiar with his prowess....and no one respects Mike more than I do....but Frankie is an amazing player, hate him if you like, but as a player, a rhythm player and a writer of amazing riffs, he is one of the tops ever in music....and you would not be on this messageboard without him...because to be a fan of Survivor, you need to at least respect what he did....because he co-wrote EVERY FUCKING Survivor song.....

I really am no homer for Frankie...I have given props to JP and all that he has accomplished.....he is 1000 percent more prolific than Sullivan as it comes to writing....JP is always writing, Sullivan doesn't write as much as Jim...no way....but I can say that last week for example FS was writing with in my opinion to be the greatest riff guitarsist in Rock history....but FS keeps it all quiet...that's his perogative...

I see alot of mud being slung here, but to what end....just to argue, just to slam people you don't really know??? I saw the term "in the business" thrown around....well I am in the business whether I like it or not, and have been for sometime.....

Cut and paste what you like....but I would be saying the same things if Peterik was getting bashed, he gave me my start and we worked 1000's of hours together...I would have never worked with alot of the guys I have without him....except the Toto boys and others....but he deserves alot of credit....but in the end the name and band Survivor are Frankie Sullivan's.....he can play 10 shows a year or a 100....it is up to him...and the name in lights outside the door will say SURVIVOR....

Axecrew, respectfully, how we treat others DOES reflect on who we are as people....so how WE (including you) treat others on this board apply as well....and I try to treat everybody on this board with respect even though my opinion is usually in the minority......yet, I am the only guy posting on here who has intimately worked with almost everybody discussed here.....

JV

Joe....Sorry to have taken so long to respond,but this Chicago weather has gotten me down a little and I honestly haven't felt like doing much of anything. I will try to make some sense here.
I have NEVER, EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRR said anything about sullivan being a bad guitar player,nor do I "disrespect" his talents. What I said was is that I don't think that "signature" sound that slander harps on is all that difficult to replicate..as evidence by all of the World Stage shows. Even you a vet of those shows,must admit that the songs are played note for note perfect with the same tone etc. My bone of contention with slander is that he makes it out to be like sullivan is the end all when it comes to those songs and that NOBODY could ever play them but him. As for sullivan's contributions to the writing process,I've stated before that I would love to see the publishing breakdown on those songs....Do frankie and jim split it 50/50..... does jim get 60%,80% 40%.......as someone "in the business" you very well know that by contributing a small guitar lick or simple word change in the lyrics is enough to get credit on the song as a writer. Can't Hold Back is one of their biggest songs,all involved have said that sullivan was messing around in the studio with the intro lick,jim heard it ask what it was,recorded it went home that night and came back the next day with the finished song. So does sullivan get 50% of the writing credit? Thus why I'd love to see the actual percentages.
Now another bone with slander is that no one can have an opinion if it's not positive,it's almost as if our opinions aren't important unless they are in accordance with him. Not once has an opinion been offered where he said"hey maybe that is true." No, right away he's on here slagging on any opinion he feels is negative, almost as if we aren't allowed to have our own opinion,but must toe the company line. And I love how he glosses over the points he can't explain away as if they aren't valid or do not exist. Now I've challanged him to reveal his real name as will I,he has never even responded one way or the other. If he is who I believe him to be....then it renders every single post of his on here as biased and extremely prejudice.
Now having said that, I believe I ask you if you would post that link to the decision concerning Jimi's right to use the Survivor name.....how's that coming? As for sullivan owning the name I think I've made my opinion quite clear on that in an earlier post...that is, sometimes people(in this case Jim) feel it's better to get out at a loss than to continue the misery. Kind of like getting a divorce and losing your ass in a bad marriage.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T.......sorry went a little Aretha there for a second.......strange word respect....can't be given,has to be earned. And yet it's just a word. Joe...I respect everyone's right to their own opinion.you, slander, joe pa,eye of, whomever. How ever what I don't respect is when someone tries to invalidate an opinion because it doesn't match their own. And especially have a hard time respecting someone who, if I'm correct, may be even closer to the situation then even you and if so has an agenda.
One last question for you Joe.....When did you hook up with sullivan to produce your new album? Sorry if you already said this, but I must have missed it,or just plain don't remember.

[Slander]

I have NEVER, EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRR said anything about sullivan being a bad guitar player,nor do I "disrespect" his talents. What I said was is that I don't think that "signature" sound that slander harps on is all that difficult to replicate..

My bone of contention with slander is that he makes it out to be like sullivan is the end all when it comes to those songs and that NOBODY could ever play them but him.

Now another bone with slander is that no one can have an opinion if it's not positive,it's almost as if our opinions aren't important unless they are in accordance with him. Not once has an opinion been offered where he said"hey maybe that is true."

Hey axe I never once said that you felt FS was a bad guitar player. I have said that you do your damndest to marginalize his talents. I'm sorry if that "signature" Survivor sound could be duplicated why hasn't it been done. Premonition is a very unique sounding album. Caught In The Game is a very unique sounding album. FS has a lot to do with that. Wouldn't you agree? I think his influences are all over it. Axe I enjoy your opinions but what I don't enjoy is the name calling. That's where you lose me. I have respect for you and even though we disagree I would never take issue with you personally. My god man we are talking music here not world peace. Let's keep it positive.

[jrnyman28]

Quit being so damn PC and give your opinion. Which one would you prefer?

No one is going to accuse me of being pc on this board! LOL. I always have a target on me. I'm looking forward to Survivor more just because we've heard JAMO recently on REACH. I'm curious to see how Robin and Frankie put a new Survivor sound together. Have you listened to Robin's "Business As Usual?"

Thank you for answering. In a way I agree, I think the Survivor one may hold more curiosity to me and I do prefer to rock.

I have the Robin McAuley CD but must say that I have only given it one spin. I was not all that captivated by it and have not returned to it since. I loved Robin with MSG but on his solo it seemed a little dull. I certainly intend to break it back out and try it again, but I have so much to choose from that I tend to forget. That is why, if it doesn't impress on the 1st spin, it probably won't get another shot...

[Joe Vana]

How is it I put all those facts in a post and all you can focus on is one line?

Opinions are not facts. By the way how many times do I have to tell you that I wish FS would be more open with fans. Is that not a criticism? I wish the band had put out more work? Is that not a criticism? There are times I haven't like the set list. Is that not a criticism? What I am not going to do is talk about how horrible a human being FS, JP, or JJ are. What purpose does that serve. I don't know their souls. You don't know FS soul. It's not up to me to judge.

Again picking and choosing Chris,but ignoring the bulk of the post. As far as knowing their souls.....you're right I don't, but I think you'll agree that watching how someone treats others is a good indication of what they are as a person.

Be more specific...give examples.....open like what?

Hi Axecrew....

To say Joel Hoekstra (excellent choice for Night Ranger) and Mike Aquino blow away Frankie Sullivan (I have worked with all three) is not a fair statement. I LOVE Mike's playing....and Joel is amazing....but to compare a player of someone else's parts to the originator of the parts is what people who don't play do...Mike thinks Frankie is amazing...we have discussed it....and I sat with Mike for 1000 plus hours with a guitar in his hand.....I am quite familiar with his prowess....and no one respects Mike more than I do....but Frankie is an amazing player, hate him if you like, but as a player, a rhythm player and a writer of amazing riffs, he is one of the tops ever in music....and you would not be on this messageboard without him...because to be a fan of Survivor, you need to at least respect what he did....because he co-wrote EVERY FUCKING Survivor song.....

I really am no homer for Frankie...I have given props to JP and all that he has accomplished.....he is 1000 percent more prolific than Sullivan as it comes to writing....JP is always writing, Sullivan doesn't write as much as Jim...no way....but I can say that last week for example FS was writing with in my opinion to be the greatest riff guitarsist in Rock history....but FS keeps it all quiet...that's his perogative...

I see alot of mud being slung here, but to what end....just to argue, just to slam people you don't really know??? I saw the term "in the business" thrown around....well I am in the business whether I like it or not, and have been for sometime.....

Cut and paste what you like....but I would be saying the same things if Peterik was getting bashed, he gave me my start and we worked 1000's of hours together...I would have never worked with alot of the guys I have without him....except the Toto boys and others....but he deserves alot of credit....but in the end the name and band Survivor are Frankie Sullivan's.....he can play 10 shows a year or a 100....it is up to him...and the name in lights outside the door will say SURVIVOR....

Axecrew, respectfully, how we treat others DOES reflect on who we are as people....so how WE (including you) treat others on this board apply as well....and I try to treat everybody on this board with respect even though my opinion is usually in the minority......yet, I am the only guy posting on here who has intimately worked with almost everybody discussed here.....

JV

Joe....Sorry to have taken so long to respond,but this Chicago weather has gotten me down a little and I honestly haven't felt like doing much of anything. I will try to make some sense here.
I have NEVER, EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRR said anything about sullivan being a bad guitar player,nor do I "disrespect" his talents. What I said was is that I don't think that "signature" sound that slander harps on is all that difficult to replicate..as evidence by all of the World Stage shows. Even you a vet of those shows,must admit that the songs are played note for note perfect with the same tone etc. My bone of contention with slander is that he makes it out to be like sullivan is the end all when it comes to those songs and that NOBODY could ever play them but him. As for sullivan's contributions to the writing process,I've stated before that I would love to see the publishing breakdown on those songs....Do frankie and jim split it 50/50..... does jim get 60%,80% 40%.......as someone "in the business" you very well know that by contributing a small guitar lick or simple word change in the lyrics is enough to get credit on the song as a writer. Can't Hold Back is one of their biggest songs,all involved have said that sullivan was messing around in the studio with the intro lick,jim heard it ask what it was,recorded it went home that night and came back the next day with the finished song. So does sullivan get 50% of the writing credit? Thus why I'd love to see the actual percentages.
Now another bone with slander is that no one can have an opinion if it's not positive,it's almost as if our opinions aren't important unless they are in accordance with him. Not once has an opinion been offered where he said"hey maybe that is true." No, right away he's on here slagging on any opinion he feels is negative, almost as if we aren't allowed to have our own opinion,but must toe the company line. And I love how he glosses over the points he can't explain away as if they aren't valid or do not exist. Now I've challanged him to reveal his real name as will I,he has never even responded one way or the other. If he is who I believe him to be....then it renders every single post of his on here as biased and extremely prejudice.
Now having said that, I believe I ask you if you would post that link to the decision concerning Jimi's right to use the Survivor name.....how's that coming? As for sullivan owning the name I think I've made my opinion quite clear on that in an earlier post...that is, sometimes people(in this case Jim) feel it's better to get out at a loss than to continue the misery. Kind of like getting a divorce and losing your ass in a bad marriage.
R-E-S-P-E-C-T.......sorry went a little Aretha there for a second.......strange word respect....can't be given,has to be earned. And yet it's just a word. Joe...I respect everyone's right to their own opinion.you, slander, joe pa,eye of, whomever. How ever what I don't respect is when someone tries to invalidate an opinion because it doesn't match their own. And especially have a hard time respecting someone who, if I'm correct, may be even closer to the situation then even you and if so has an agenda.
One last question for you Joe.....When did you hook up with sullivan to produce your new album? Sorry if you already said this, but I must have missed it,or just plain don't remember.

Axecrew.....

I have no idea how to answer all of this.....HOLY CRAP....hahahah.....but I will try....

First, Axecrew I assume is guitar tech, or roadie....correct??? If so cool....I have been meaning to ask.....

Yes, I am close to the situation....in many ways....and for many years....I do actually know about some of the splits and such....and I was blown away by some, and not surprised by others.....as far as publishing those facts no way....I only know maybe 30% of the total tonnage of went on, but I will never ever betray trust....I also want to say that I have been asked pubically and privately about JJ....all I can say is this......we share a best friend in Bobby Kimball, and if Bobby loves him than I have no gripe with him....Bobby adores JJ, and he has NEVER done anything to me....we talked on the phone years ago about nothing relating to this stuff and he was a true gentleman....have I heard many many things, yes...but I don't care really as none of it related to me....I respect the Hell out of his voice and talent....what happened between him and FS is their business....now....on to FS...I asked him to produce me in early 2007....we met first for dinner a few times and I found him to be extremely intelligent and quiet....almost introspective...and fiercely private, so I will be carefull what I say here....a true ying to JP's yang....they are opposites in so many ways...Jp is very boisterous and outgoing, and lives for the aftershow....a true showman, and a great promoter of any work he is attached to...he is an amazing promoter....FS is the opposite....he lives by the guitar, and his street smarts and ears...oh the wonderful ears....he picks out the smallest detail, the nuance...a wonderful producer and player....there is a class and grace to the things he has produced that we all love, it's why we are Survivor fans...screw the "classic sound" or any stuff like that.....it's the way he does things that makes that sound....it's an entire package....Back to JP....and since we are on the World Stage thread.....I really enjoyed doing those shows (WS 1-4)....

A rambling JV............

[axecrew]

I have NEVER, EEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRR said anything about sullivan being a bad guitar player,nor do I "disrespect" his talents. What I said was is that I don't think that "signature" sound that slander harps on is all that difficult to replicate..

My bone of contention with slander is that he makes it out to be like sullivan is the end all when it comes to those songs and that NOBODY could ever play them but him.

Now another bone with slander is that no one can have an opinion if it's not positive,it's almost as if our opinions aren't important unless they are in accordance with him. Not once has an opinion been offered where he said"hey maybe that is true."

Hey axe I never once said that you felt FS was a bad guitar player. I have said that you do your damndest to marginalize his talents. I'm sorry if that "signature" Survivor sound could be duplicated why hasn't it been done. Premonition is a very unique sounding album. Caught In The Game is a very unique sounding album. FS has a lot to do with that. Wouldn't you agree? I think his influences are all over it. Axe I enjoy your opinions but what I don't enjoy is the name calling. That's where you lose me. I have respect for you and even though we disagree I would never take issue with you personally. My god man we are talking music here not world peace. Let's keep it positive.

Ok Slander..my post was to Joe and you come off like a 3 yr old who has to sit at the grown up table at thanksgiving... I'm going to make this perfectly clear....I CHALLANGE YOU TO BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS OR SHUT THE HELL UP......I have highlighted the statements in question. Please prove to me where I have marginalized his talents and where I have name called you.
I will not respond to any of your post that do not address the above statements and I'll ask that no one else respond either. I'm tired of your hocus- pocus act whenever I hit a little to close and you get uncomfortable. I'm tired of you changing the subject and trying to deflect attention from what I've said.

Joe..... wow is right...yes you are correct about the roadie/tech thing.......BUT as in the movie "Billy Madison"(loved that movie) no disrespect intended but..........nowhere in that rambling statement did you even come close to answering the question I'm not looking for specifics on the publishing ,just an afirmation that I'm correct on the scenarios presented in my post. As I said it would be real interesting to see the actual breakdown as to who contibuted how much to each song. And as for the other.....nowhere did I even mention the problems between sullivan and Jimi....what I'm talking about is the right for Jimi to use the Survivor name.....if you'll recall that was brought up that there had been a change in the original agreement that reversed the original decision. You said you had copies of said decision and we ask that since they were a matter of public record would you post a link or the papers.....you said that since they were public record there would be no harm in that and would work on that. My question is and was.....how's that coming? Are we going to be able to see those papers or not?

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Ok Slander..my post was to Joe and you come off like a 3 yr old who has to sit at the grown up table at thanksgiving... I'm going to make this perfectly clear....I CHALLANGE YOU TO BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS OR SHUT THE HELL UP......I have highlighted the statements in question. Please prove to me where I have marginalized his talents and where I have name called you.

Okay let me get this straight.....you don't name call but in the same post call me a 3 year old? That speaks for itself. Secondly you marginalize his talents when you say they are not unique. I'm sorry I've seen JJ's band play Tiger and NO ABSOLUTELY NOT does it even remotely sound like Frankie's version! That is not a slam on JJ's band at all. Frankie Sullivan is a unique talent plain and simple. My god axe why is this even up for discussion? Like I said let's try to keep this positive.

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Ok Slander..my post was to Joe and you come off like a 3 yr old who has to sit at the grown up table at thanksgiving... I'm going to make this perfectly clear....I CHALLANGE YOU TO BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS OR SHUT THE HELL UP......I have highlighted the statements in question. Please prove to me where I have marginalized his talents and where I have name called you.

Okay let me get this straight.....you don't name call but in the same post call me a 3 year old? That speaks for itself. Secondly you marginalize his talents when you say they are not unique. I'm sorry I've seen JJ's band play Tiger and NO ABSOLUTELY NOT does it even remotely sound like Frankie's version! That is not a slam on JJ's band at all. Frankie Sullivan is a unique talent plain and simple. My god axe why is this even up for discussion? Like I said let's try to keep this positive.

Ya know as a "journalist" I shouldn't have to explain this to you....which puts that whole story in question.....My post was to Joe Vana...NOT SLANDER....you couldn't contain yourself and just had to jump up and reply to a post that wasn't even to you. Thus you COME OFF as looking like a 3 yr old who throws a temper tantrum and wants to sit at the adult table at Thanksgiving.......That is not name calling...that is pointing out that your actions are similar to those of whom I mentioned. Now if I had said you were an asshole,dickhead,etc than yes that would be name calling,but I didn't do that. I can't believe I'm giving a "journalist" lessons in this stuff.Which again makes me wonder about the validity of this as your true profession.
No one, but you, is talking about the Jimi Jamison Band, in not one single post has I or anyone else mentioned them....only you. For something to be unique,it has to not be able to be replicated. The Mona Lisa is unique. I think I gave examples of where it has,again can't believe this convo with a "journalist"....but if it'll make you feel better about yourself and the world fine, I marginalize his talent. There...you feel better? Is all right with the world now? This is my OPINION ok, got that, my OPINION
The reason it is up for discussion is simple....Francis Sullivan IS NOT a guitar god and to say he is is a HUGE disservice to those who are. No matter what you believe.

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....My post was to Joe Vana...NOT SLANDER....you couldn't contain yourself and just had to jump up and reply to a post that wasn't even to you. Thus you COME OFF as looking like a 3 yr old who throws a temper tantrum and wants to sit at the adult table at Thanksgiving.......That is not name calling...that is pointing out that your actions are similar to those of whom I mentioned. Now if I had said you were an asshole,dickhead,etc than yes that would be name calling,but I didn't do that. I can't believe I'm giving a "journalist" lessons in this stuff.Which again makes me wonder about the validity of this as your true profession.
No one, but you, is talking about the Jimi Jamison Band, in not one single post has I or anyone else mentioned them....only you. For something to be unique,it has to not be able to be replicated. The Mona Lisa is unique. I think I gave examples of where it has,again can't believe this convo with a "journalist"....but if it'll make you feel better about yourself and the world fine, I marginalize his talent. There...you feel better? Is all right with the world now? This is my OPINION ok, got that, my OPINION
The reason it is up for discussion is simple....Francis Sullivan IS NOT a guitar god and to say he is is a HUGE disservice to those who are. No matter what you believe.

Axe the post may have been to JV but you mentioned me by name. I think it's only fair that I was entitled to respond. What's the issue with that? I never said FS was a "guitar god", those are your words not mine. I merely take issue with your attempt to marginalize his talents. That's it. Once again in black and white axe your anger and hostility are completely out of sync with the subject matter discussed. Clearly this is extremely personal to you for reasons I can't comprehend. Maybe you need to make it clearer. You seem to have an agenda that quite frankly is unnecessary. Like I will continue to say, we talking our love of music here not war and peace. Your anger doesn't make sense. Get a grip. The only reason I brought up JJ's band is because you said FS sound can be duplicated. This was one occasion when someone didn't do Eye Of The Tiger the justice such a song deserves. So go ahead and slam my abilities as a journalist all you want. Damn I get criticized everyday in my profession so don't think your diatribes have any effect on me at all. Clearly I am a journalist because I am the one of the two that has any objectivity.