A couple of things...

[Slander]

And who in hell talked about Cobra?
You, as usual, made it a "but Jimi didn't/couldn't" issue.

This little exchange was over the asininity of playing MSG songs in a 10-song Survivor concert, NOTHING to do w/ Jamison, Bickler, Peterik or Cobra.

Gotta agree with Red here. Why bring Cobra into it? That band was were fucked over by a shitty label, nothing less or more.

Hey Andrew,

Only bringing it up because MSG was quite popular. Definitely had a following. They had recognizable songs with Robin at the mic that are worthy of being included in a set list.

[Eyeof]

Again, what does Cobra have to do with anything, other than your incessent need to bash JJ in every post?

Nobody mentioned Cobra. Hell I had never heard of Cobra and I had never heard of MSG either. Not bashing them, just don't know them.

[Slander]

Again, what does Cobra have to do with anything, other than your incessent need to bash JJ in every post?

Nobody mentioned Cobra. Hell I had never heard of Cobra and I had never heard of MSG either. Not bashing them, just don't know them.

How have I bashed JJ? I merely said that MSG had a bigger following. How is that an insult? Please explain? I just believe it makes more sense for Robin to sing some MSG hits than it would for JJ to have performed solo stuff as part of Survivor. How the hell is that a criticism?

[Eyeof]

Because the conversation had NOTHING to do with JJ or Cobra. Find a post on this topic (other than yours) where someone mentioned anything about JJ or Cobra. Nobody made it a comparison. It's you that always does that. Back me up here guys, that is what he does. Someone says anything at all that you don't agree with and you pull out the 'wel jj'did this etc' card...It's what you do...I mean you think Andrew was just making that up?

Let me help you get on track here. All Red said was...If Survivor was not going to play a lot of shows and they were not going to play more than 10 songs...why waste time playing MSG songs. It's a valid point. If i went to a Van Hagar concert and they were only playing 9 or 10 songs, then I would not think they should play "Give To Live" or "Heavy Metal", although I love those songs. I would want them to play Van Halen songs...Now how is that a slam on Hagar? It's not. Heck, I like some of his solo stuff more, but it's a Van Halen show.

I really just don's see how every post offends you so much. I mean it's opinons and people's facts about their opinions. What is to argue about all the time?

[Slander]

Because the conversation had NOTHING to do with JJ or Cobra. Find a post on this topic (other than yours) where someone mentioned anything about JJ or Cobra. Nobody made it a comparison. It's you that always does that. Back me up here guys, that is what he does. Someone says anything at all that you don't agree with and you pull out the 'wel jj'did this etc' card...It's what you do...I mean you think Andrew was just making that up?

Let me help you get on track here. All Red said was...If Survivor was not going to play a lot of shows and they were not going to play more than 10 songs...why waste time playing MSG songs. It's a valid point. If i went to a Van Hagar concert and they were only playing 9 or 10 songs, then I would not think they should play "Give To Live" or "Heavy Metal", although I love those songs. I would want them to play Van Halen songs...Now how is that a slam on Hagar? It's not. Heck, I like some of his solo stuff more, but it's a Van Halen show.

I really just don's see how every post offends you so much. I mean it's opinons and people's facts about their opinions. What is to argue about all the time?

They don't offend me at all. Sorry I'm not that sensitive especially on a music message board. However is you back in this thread you will see that all I did was echo JV's comments on the band live. What followed was a criticism of that. The question is why? Listen I get it. You don't like FS. You don't like Robin on vocals. I've got no problem with that. The question is why do you have a problem with me liking the band in it's current form?

[Red13JoePa]

OK fine SMan.

MSG>Cobra in popularity just like Rexx Grossman>Mike McMahon in quarterbacking skills.
There, happy? An apt comparisson.
Who cares? If I saw a Survivor show with Jamison fronting it I would NOT wanna anything from Cobra or I'm Always Here. BTW, wouldn't know a Cobra song if I heard it other than to be able to recognize Jamison's voice.

[Eyeof]

Slander, I would love to see where I have a problem with you liking the new band...in fact, below is my initial response to JV's post...wow, i'm really bashing them....Wow, i'm really expressing a problem with your opinion here....I dont' even think you read most of the time before you resond...


"Joe it is great to hear your review...I've seen the band quite a few times and at times the energy was wonderful and at times the energy was really bad...the last time in 2001, it was not very good, so an influx of energy could be awesome...

I also think that with some new material, we'd get off of McAuley's back somewhat...I'm almost sure his style would force better stuff than reach.

I liken it a bit to John Corabi in Motley Crue. I loved tha album. Now if all he had done was tour with Motley sporadically playing Vince's stuff, it would have been awful. But mixed in with his own stuff, it was awesome.

Maybe it's near the same with McAuley....I sure hope one day we'll see.

I will say in the boots, while i have not really liked his voice, the band seemed more tight than in 2001.

So hears to a new album soon...."

[Slander]

OK fine SMan.

MSG>Cobra in popularity just like Rexx Grossman>Mike McMahon in quarterbacking skills.
There, happy? An apt comparisson.
Who cares? If I saw a Survivor show with Jamison fronting it I would NOT wanna anything from Cobra or I'm Always Here. BTW, wouldn't know a Cobra song if I heard it other than to be able to recognize Jamison's voice.

Red you should really give 'BLOOD ON YOUR MONEY' a spin. Fun song. Without a doubt the worst video I have ever seen. LOL. Makes the Tiger video look cutting edge by comparison.

[axecrew]

Because the conversation had NOTHING to do with JJ or Cobra. Find a post on this topic (other than yours) where someone mentioned anything about JJ or Cobra. Nobody made it a comparison. It's you that always does that. Back me up here guys, that is what he does. Someone says anything at all that you don't agree with and you pull out the 'wel jj'did this etc' card...It's what you do...I mean you think Andrew was just making that up?

Let me help you get on track here. All Red said was...If Survivor was not going to play a lot of shows and they were not going to play more than 10 songs...why waste time playing MSG songs. It's a valid point. If i went to a Van Hagar concert and they were only playing 9 or 10 songs, then I would not think they should play "Give To Live" or "Heavy Metal", although I love those songs. I would want them to play Van Halen songs...Now how is that a slam on Hagar? It's not. Heck, I like some of his solo stuff more, but it's a Van Halen show.

I really just don's see how every post offends you so much. I mean it's opinons and people's facts about their opinions. What is to argue about all the time?

Eye you are 100% correct.

[jrnyman28]

On the MSG point though, funny thing is. I listened to a lot of stuff growing up and I don't ever recall even having heard of MSG. Slander, before you start, that's not a bash on the band. I just don't remember hearing of them ever. Did most of you on here listen to them?

Yeah, I loved the first 2 CDs with Robin on vocals. They got a lot of eMpTyV spin, too. I wasn't a fan of the band before or after Robin. But that had more to do with access. I just didn't hear them before or after. Then I strated reading about what a flake Schenker is and decided it was not worth my time...

[jrnyman28]

I just believe it makes more sense for Robin to sing some MSG hits than it would for JJ to have performed solo stuff as part of Survivor. How the hell is that a criticism?

Did I miss the post where someone mentioned Survivor with Jimi playing solo stuff?

[jrnyman28]

Thank god for Andrew!

I did read that the JJ/JP project was originally going to be a country album... wow, that woulda sucked!

Seems like they're definitely going for the 'continuation of Survivor' thing, which can only be positive. It's what the fans want, hell it's what they expect given the track history of the two guys involved.

I just hope they manage to incorporate some of the grit and toughness that Frankie brought to the sound. I love Pride of Lions, but sometimes I miss the raw edge that Survivor had on some songs. Even on When Seconds Count (possibly the fluffiest album thanks to the synths) there were some harder cuts like Backstreet Love Affair, Can't Let You Go (not my fave track in the world), and Keep It Right Here still had that 'tough' vibe to it. Hell, if you can hear past the synths, Oceans has a certain drive and swagger as well.

Then again, I don't want them to lose the sense of melody like they did on some of the tracks on Too Hot to Sleep. 'Tell Me I'm the One' and 'Can't Give It Up' don't do a lot for me, 'Rhythm of the City' isn't their best work, 'She's a Star' has its moments... of course, the title track is a great example of a song combining a hard edge with a sense of melody and 'Desperate Dreams' has the moodyness that I love about Survivor.

So yeah, here's hoping for a good range of tracks that carry the Survivor feel. A mixture of all 3 JJ Survivor albums would be cool.

Would be curious to hear Jamo do 'Faithful Heart' - pity Jim lost the demo for that one!

- Danny.

Hey Danny, I notice you only have a few posts here. Don't know if I missed them before but wanted to welcome you on board. Not a lot of new posters show up here and by the looks of your post you are definitely a knowledgable Survivor fan.

[Andrew]

And who in hell talked about Cobra?
You, as usual, made it a "but Jimi didn't/couldn't" issue.

This little exchange was over the asininity of playing MSG songs in a 10-song Survivor concert, NOTHING to do w/ Jamison, Bickler, Peterik or Cobra.

Gotta agree with Red here. Why bring Cobra into it? That band was were fucked over by a shitty label, nothing less or more.

Hey Andrew,

Only bringing it up because MSG was quite popular. Definitely had a following. They had recognizable songs with Robin at the mic that are worthy of being included in a set list.

Well MSG had been going 15+ years before Robin stepped in and their European base was huge. Robin brought them into the USA a little. Cobra's circumstances are not in any way comparable. They were a start up band with a bright future.

[MarcelJordan]

And who in hell talked about Cobra?
You, as usual, made it a "but Jimi didn't/couldn't" issue.

This little exchange was over the asininity of playing MSG songs in a 10-song Survivor concert, NOTHING to do w/ Jamison, Bickler, Peterik or Cobra.

Gotta agree with Red here. Why bring Cobra into it? That band was were fucked over by a shitty label, nothing less or more.

Hey Andrew,

Only bringing it up because MSG was quite popular. Definitely had a following. They had recognizable songs with Robin at the mic that are worthy of being included in a set list.

Well MSG had been going 15+ years before Robin stepped in and their European base was huge. Robin brought them into the USA a little. Cobra's circumstances are not in any way comparable. They were a start up band with a bright future.

Well, JJ eventually did have a brighter future, when Survivor came a knocking. Then Randy went to Krokus and while JJ basked in Survivor glory, Randy went on to join Asia (I liked his stuff on Astra). Randy had to replace Stewe Howe. Geez, that must have been knee shaking for him.

[Idiosyncrasy]

Thanks Jrnyman... Yeah, I've been around since 1997... used to be a member of the old Survivormusic.com forum and traded a lot with Flip Valero and Oliver Traxel and Kathy (anyone remember them?). I like to think I know my Survivor! lol! Also did a couple of reviews for Fireworks magazine at one point. I'm in the UK btw. I'm a huge Peterik fan and doing my very best to collect as many of his songs as possible!


- Danny.

[Ehwmatt]

Thanks Jrnyman... Yeah, I've been around since 1997... used to be a member of the old Survivormusic.com forum and traded a lot with Flip Valero and Oliver Traxel and Kathy (anyone remember them?). I like to think I know my Survivor! lol! Also did a couple of reviews for Fireworks magazine at one point. I'm in the UK btw. I'm a huge Peterik fan and doing my very best to collect as many of his songs as possible!


- Danny.

Well you're alright in my book then, sir. JP rocks

[Slander]

Thanks Jrnyman... Yeah, I've been around since 1997... used to be a member of the old Survivormusic.com forum and traded a lot with Flip Valero and Oliver Traxel and Kathy (anyone remember them?). I like to think I know my Survivor! lol! Also did a couple of reviews for Fireworks magazine at one point. I'm in the UK btw. I'm a huge Peterik fan and doing my very best to collect as many of his songs as possible!


- Danny.

Hey what happened to Flip?

[Slander]

And who in hell talked about Cobra?
You, as usual, made it a "but Jimi didn't/couldn't" issue.

This little exchange was over the asininity of playing MSG songs in a 10-song Survivor concert, NOTHING to do w/ Jamison, Bickler, Peterik or Cobra.

Gotta agree with Red here. Why bring Cobra into it? That band was were fucked over by a shitty label, nothing less or more.

Hey Andrew,

Only bringing it up because MSG was quite popular. Definitely had a following. They had recognizable songs with Robin at the mic that are worthy of being included in a set list.

Well MSG had been going 15+ years before Robin stepped in and their European base was huge. Robin brought them into the USA a little. Cobra's circumstances are not in any way comparable. They were a start up band with a bright future.

Well said Andrew. The band took on a different sound with Robin on leads I think too.

[Idiosyncrasy]

Thanks Jrnyman... Yeah, I've been around since 1997... used to be a member of the old Survivormusic.com forum and traded a lot with Flip Valero and Oliver Traxel and Kathy (anyone remember them?). I like to think I know my Survivor! lol! Also did a couple of reviews for Fireworks magazine at one point. I'm in the UK btw. I'm a huge Peterik fan and doing my very best to collect as many of his songs as possible!


- Danny.

Hey what happened to Flip?

I've no idea actually. His website isn't there anymore and I stopped getting replies to my emails (was it something I said??!). I'm sure I've seen his name pop up on these forums every now and then, will have to track him down!

[Idiosyncrasy]

Thanks Jrnyman... Yeah, I've been around since 1997... used to be a member of the old Survivormusic.com forum and traded a lot with Flip Valero and Oliver Traxel and Kathy (anyone remember them?). I like to think I know my Survivor! lol! Also did a couple of reviews for Fireworks magazine at one point. I'm in the UK btw. I'm a huge Peterik fan and doing my very best to collect as many of his songs as possible!


- Danny.

Well you're alright in my book then, sir. JP rocks

He does indeed! At the risk of starting another war... JP IS Survivor to me! *ducks* Some of those songs from Pride of Lions sound more like Survivor than the non-Peterik material on Reach and even stuff like 'Back to Eden' from Terry Brock's solo album has an overtly Survivor-vibe. Love the guy, and personally I think his songwriting is integral to the sound.

I'm gonna go hide now...



- Danny.

[MarcelJordan]

Thanks Jrnyman... Yeah, I've been around since 1997... used to be a member of the old Survivormusic.com forum and traded a lot with Flip Valero and Oliver Traxel and Kathy (anyone remember them?). I like to think I know my Survivor! lol! Also did a couple of reviews for Fireworks magazine at one point. I'm in the UK btw. I'm a huge Peterik fan and doing my very best to collect as many of his songs as possible!


- Danny.

Well you're alright in my book then, sir. JP rocks

He does indeed! At the risk of starting another war... JP IS Survivor to me! *ducks* Some of those songs from Pride of Lions sound more like Survivor than the non-Peterik material on Reach and even stuff like 'Back to Eden' from Terry Brock's solo album has an overtly Survivor-vibe. Love the guy, and personally I think his songwriting is integral to the sound.

I'm gonna go hide now...



- Danny.

Youve got a lot of nerve stating things like this.











Come on, Survivor WAS named after JP's album anyway so.. you have a point. No harm there. I agree JP's writing is quite integral for the Survivor sound, but it'll never be the same without JP/FS together.

Now, if you would be kind enough to let me know some song names that sound like Survivor, I would love to check those out.

[Slander]

Thanks Jrnyman... Yeah, I've been around since 1997... used to be a member of the old Survivormusic.com forum and traded a lot with Flip Valero and Oliver Traxel and Kathy (anyone remember them?). I like to think I know my Survivor! lol! Also did a couple of reviews for Fireworks magazine at one point. I'm in the UK btw. I'm a huge Peterik fan and doing my very best to collect as many of his songs as possible!


- Danny.

Well you're alright in my book then, sir. JP rocks

He does indeed! At the risk of starting another war... JP IS Survivor to me! *ducks* Some of those songs from Pride of Lions sound more like Survivor than the non-Peterik material on Reach and even stuff like 'Back to Eden' from Terry Brock's solo album has an overtly Survivor-vibe. Love the guy, and personally I think his songwriting is integral to the sound.

I'm gonna go hide now...



- Danny.

Would somewhat agree Danny. I know I ask this question a lot. But have you heard JLT's project Sunstorm. Some JP songs on their that I believe were written for Survivor. Great stuff. As you know I think their isn't a true Survivor sound with the collaboration of JP and Sullivan. It's too bad they more than likely will never work together again. Stranger things have happened though.

[Slander]

Thanks Jrnyman... Yeah, I've been around since 1997... used to be a member of the old Survivormusic.com forum and traded a lot with Flip Valero and Oliver Traxel and Kathy (anyone remember them?). I like to think I know my Survivor! lol! Also did a couple of reviews for Fireworks magazine at one point. I'm in the UK btw. I'm a huge Peterik fan and doing my very best to collect as many of his songs as possible!


- Danny.

Well you're alright in my book then, sir. JP rocks

He does indeed! At the risk of starting another war... JP IS Survivor to me! *ducks* Some of those songs from Pride of Lions sound more like Survivor than the non-Peterik material on Reach and even stuff like 'Back to Eden' from Terry Brock's solo album has an overtly Survivor-vibe. Love the guy, and personally I think his songwriting is integral to the sound.

I'm gonna go hide now...



- Danny.

Youve got a lot of nerve stating things like this.











Come on, Survivor WAS named after JP's album anyway so.. you have a point. No harm there. I agree JP's writing is quite integral for the Survivor sound, but it'll never be the same without JP/FS together.

Now, if you would be kind enough to let me know some song names that sound like Survivor, I would love to check those out.

Marcel have you heard any of the POL stuff? If you have what do you think. The first one from 2003 I think is the strongest effort. There is some unmistakeable Survivor sounding stuff on there.