I f-cked up!

[jrnyman28]

Dude, you were wrong, demanded facts of AxeCrew, had them jammed up your nose, and then as usual, changed the target.

Jammed up my nose? I'm well aware of the rock, alternative, country, dance, ringtones charts...and yes Survivor has been on there...but THE CHART OF CHARTS IS THE HOT 100....Sorry.

Too bad you didn't clarify that early when asking for proof. Then you could point out how wrong Axe is...

[Eyeof]

i'm going to have to agree with JV here...who gives a damn about the value of their hits or what was no. 1 or no. 2 or what the hell chart...that type of stuff is just silly stuff for people like Slander to dive into...

I for one don't car at thing about hits or not hits. Summer Nights and Nothing Can Shake Me are as good as anything they put out...I could care less whether it was a hit or not. I be i can came at least 50 (and I said 50) songs better than their 'hit' "Is This Love."

[Slander]

Dude, you were wrong, demanded facts of AxeCrew, had them jammed up your nose, and then as usual, changed the target.

Jammed up my nose? I'm well aware of the rock, alternative, country, dance, ringtones charts...and yes Survivor has been on there...but THE CHART OF CHARTS IS THE HOT 100....Sorry.

Too bad you didn't clarify that early when asking for proof. Then you could point out how wrong Axe is...

Journey it was Axe who needed to clarify when he vaguely spoke of JP's number ones...Plural.

[Slander]

i'm going to have to agree with JV here...who gives a damn about the value of their hits or what was no. 1 or no. 2 or what the hell chart...that type of stuff is just silly stuff for people like Slander to dive into...

Eye I agree with you one hundred percent. I don't give a damn where JP charted etc. I wasn't the one who brought it up. The originator of the post was axe who CLAIMED JP was beyond criticism because all of the NUMBER ONES he has penned. This subject was not brought up by yours truly. I don't give a damn.

[jrnyman28]

No Slander, Axe said #1's. You said there was one. He showed more than one...THEN YOU said the others don't count. YOU are the one who defined limitations, you should have done so upon your initial disagreement with Axe's comment regarding #1's. You are like the kid who doesn't like the way the game is going so you throw a fit and say "I'm not playing anymore"....

[axecrew]

Dude, you were wrong, demanded facts of AxeCrew, had them jammed up your nose, and then as usual, changed the target.

Jammed up my nose? I'm well aware of the rock, alternative, country, dance, ringtones charts...and yes Survivor has been on there...but THE CHART OF CHARTS IS THE HOT 100....Sorry.

Too bad you didn't clarify that early when asking for proof. Then you could point out how wrong Axe is...

Journey....slander is the one who ask for proof,was given it and now wants to change the target and move it back. He just can't stand the fact that I was right about something. And he especially can't stand the fact that someone is better than st. sullivan at something. In his eyes no one and I mean NO ONE is a better guitar player, singer ,songwriter, producer, arranger, band manager, etc.

Hell the pope isn't even as catholic as st. francis the I.

[Slander]

No Slander, Axe said #1's. You said there was one. He showed more than one...THEN YOU said the others don't count. YOU are the one who defined limitations, you should have done so upon your initial disagreement with Axe's comment regarding #1's. You are like the kid who doesn't like the way the game is going so you throw a fit and say "I'm not playing anymore"....

Absolute nonsense. I will say this again. When the music industry talks number 1's...the one that matter is the HOT 100. Gimme a break. Was it Kasey Kasem's American Ringtones top 40? Was it Kasey Kasem's A/C top 40, Hard Rock top 40. Axe was wrong he knows it. Get over it. What is childish is the boast done by AXE, but he always let's his emotions get the best of him.

[axecrew]

To clarify for the idiot.....I said "When you written as many #1's as Jim has, you've earned the right to play whatever setlist you want."

Now where does it say that I think he's above reproach etc? Again another "moving the target" by slander because he doesn't like to wrong.
If anyone thinks they are above reproach it would be slander.

[Slander]

To clarify for the idiot.....I said "When you written as many #1's as Jim has, you've earned the right to play whatever setlist you want."

Axe criticize my all you want. I don't give a damn. You are just flat out wrong saying JP wrote multiple number 1's. It was a shady claim at best. You could have clarified by saying multiple charts. You clearly imply something else. Regardless JP is a great song writer. I own his stuff. I consider JLT's Sunstorm a classic because of Peterik's songs on the record. I don't have a dog in this fight. I just know that JP doesn't need your padding his resume.

[axecrew]

So now slander is an expert on the music industry as by his above post. Did he get the music industries side of this or is he doing his job of poor reporting?
You would think that as a responsible reporter he would talk to the music industry before telling everyone what they think.

Do you have quotes or links to back that bold statement you just made? Or are you just guessing?

[jrnyman28]

No Slander, Axe said #1's. You said there was one. He showed more than one...THEN YOU said the others don't count. YOU are the one who defined limitations, you should have done so upon your initial disagreement with Axe's comment regarding #1's. You are like the kid who doesn't like the way the game is going so you throw a fit and say "I'm not playing anymore"....

Absolute nonsense. I will say this again. When the music industry talks number 1's...the one that matter is the HOT 100. Gimme a break. Was it Kasey Kasem's American Ringtones top 40? Was it Kasey Kasem's A/C top 40, Hard Rock top 40. Axe was wrong he knows it. Get over it. What is childish is the boast done by AXE, but he always let's his emotions get the best of him.

My point is that if YOU were going to place definitions on the #1's you should have done say WHEN you disagreed about it. Now it looks like you are changing the "rules"...

[Slander]

No Slander, Axe said #1's. You said there was one. He showed more than one...THEN YOU said the others don't count. YOU are the one who defined limitations, you should have done so upon your initial disagreement with Axe's comment regarding #1's. You are like the kid who doesn't like the way the game is going so you throw a fit and say "I'm not playing anymore"....

Absolute nonsense. I will say this again. When the music industry talks number 1's...the one that matter is the HOT 100. Gimme a break. Was it Kasey Kasem's American Ringtones top 40? Was it Kasey Kasem's A/C top 40, Hard Rock top 40. Axe was wrong he knows it. Get over it. What is childish is the boast done by AXE, but he always let's his emotions get the best of him.

My point is that if YOU were going to place definitions on the #1's you should have done say WHEN you disagreed about it. Now it looks like you are changing the "rules"...

Jman your point is well taken. I'm sorry but I'm not the one who initially made the claim. Axe should have been more specific when boasting Jim had multiple number 1's. Damn I think all of us Survivor fans were quite surprised by that claim. And to think all these years I had thought Tiger was their only number 1 single!

[axecrew]

To clarify even more........the RIAA looks at number 1's on any and all billboard charts in all catagories. They are considered #1 hits for all catagories. Maybe I should have made my point more clear......BUT in retrospect it was more fun to watch slander comes shooting out of his basement screaming about how I'm slighting sullivan by implying that Jim wrote #1's with out him. Funny that wasn't my intention but still it was/is funny to watch.
But what made it even funnier was the comment about not having a dog in the fight...........WTF, then why come charging out and even make a comment?

Gee I wonder if I had clarified it would slander still have protested???? Probably!!! We would've heard about how Jim never wrote anything good without sullivan and blah,blah,blah.

So now let's pose this question.....Has sullivan written anything that charted outside of survivor and with Jim Peterik. We all know Jim did, but what about st. francis I.

[axecrew]

Damn I think all of us Survivor fans were quite surprised by that claim. And to think all these years I had thought Tiger was their only number 1 single!

Funny you'd think survivor fans would be thrilled to find out that they hit #1 with both Search is Over and Can't Hold Back. But no they're to busy trying to "Prove me wrong".

[Slander]

Gee I wonder if I had clarified it would slander still have protested???? Probably!!! We would've heard about how Jim never wrote anything good without sullivan and blah,blah,blah.

Axe...god you must be related to Peterik to take such issue. JP doesn't need your help. I have a ton of Jim's stuff. Love it. Like his work with other bands. My issue originally is with you claiming he is above reproach. That was the issue. Did you not say who are we to question JP with all the number one's he has written? I've never claimed FS is a great songwriter. EVER! I could careless. You are the one who is constantly trying to turn things into a Johnson measuring contest. Like somehow it's going to make JP better. JP is a great talent. What's the issue besides your over the top boasting?

[Slander]

Damn I think all of us Survivor fans were quite surprised by that claim. And to think all these years I had thought Tiger was their only number 1 single!

Funny you'd think survivor fans would be thrilled to find out that they hit #1 with both Search is Over and Can't Hold Back. But no they're to busy trying to "Prove me wrong".

They did not hit number 100 on the hot 100 and no one remembers them as number 1 singles. Damn you can't stop yourself can you axe? Oh how did they fare on the ringtone chart?

[axecrew]

1-My issue originally is with you claiming he is above reproach. 2- You are the one who is constantly trying to turn things into a Johnson measuring contest.

1......Show me where that was said. Show me where those words were used.

2.......Mr Pot....line 1 it's Mr. Kettle

[Slander]

1-My issue originally is with you claiming he is above reproach. 2- You are the one who is constantly trying to turn things into a Johnson measuring contest.

1......Show me where that was said. Show me where those words were used.

2.......Mr Pot....line 1 it's Mr. Kettle

So who are we to question the setlist? If Jim wants to bask in the glory of his hits, why shouldn't he,especially when he has a singer who can sing them. I'm sure that when you've written as many #1's as Jim has,you've earned the right to do as you please. Last I looked,neither one of us nor anyone else posting on here has written that many or earned that right.


Aren't you saying Jim is above reproach? Yeah I think so. These are your words not mine.

[axecrew]

Anyone else agree with GOD here?

[Slander]

Anyone else agree with GOD here?

Guy yeah I think the entire music industry agrees the hot 100 and top 200 album chart on Billboard are the charts of choice. Give it up!

[axecrew]

Anyone else agree with GOD here?

Guy yeah I think the entire music industry agrees the hot 100 and top 200 album chart on Billboard are the charts of choice. Give it up!

Did you go get their quotes???? Did you do the responsible thing and get both sides of the story or are you just muckraking?
I want to hear what they have to say....I want to hear their side of the story. I want to see some responsible journalism and not see words put into their mouths.

[Eyeof]

Axe,

I'm pretty happy to heat about those other songs being number one. Thanks for pointing that out.

[jrnyman28]

Jman your point is well taken.

Apparantly not.

I'm sorry but I'm not the one who initially made the claim. Axe should have been more specific when boasting Jim had multiple number 1's.

He did not need to be more specific. He made the claim and he backed it up. When you took umbrage with it is when you should have asked for clarification, instead of waiting until after he DID give specifics. It makes you look like you are back-peddlibng.

Damn I think all of us Survivor fans were quite surprised by that claim. And to think all these years I had thought Tiger was their only number 1 single!

Really, "all of us".


To be clear myself, I am not contradicting you that the Billboard Hot 100 is the chart of most recognition and likely importance. That does not change the fact that YOU look like you were backpeddling by the way you replied. Had you ASKED up front about the chart info SPECIFICALLY for your HOT 100 axe likely would have simply addressed that. And you would have spared all this merry-go-round bullshit...

I am done with this one. No, I can't really say that. It all depends on how you respond.

[MarcelJordan]

I have a question, why is that when Journey is spoken about, its always said that they never had a single reach no. 1? Don't tell me they had no. Number 1 single on any chart in the U.S?

[Slander]

I have a question, why is that when Journey is spoken about, its always said that they never had a single reach no. 1? Don't tell me they had no. Number 1 single on any chart in the U.S?

Guess not. But you would be hard pressed to find a band who could consistently crank out hit after hit.

[MarcelJordan]

I have a question, why is that when Journey is spoken about, its always said that they never had a single reach no. 1? Don't tell me they had no. Number 1 single on any chart in the U.S?

Guess not. But you would be hard pressed to find a band who could consistently crank out hit after hit.

You bet!

Interesting that Open Arms was also from a soundtrack, yet that couldn't propel it to no. 1. Sometimes I wonder how the charts work.

[Calbear94]

hey axecrew,

can you give us the setlist please?

Thank you

Sure although it won't be completely in order,they did the following:
It's Criminal, Gone, Sound of Home, Unbreakable, Music and Me from the 1st album
Heaven on Earth and Let me Let you Go from The Roaring of Dreams
Vehicle from the Ides of March
Live Life from Jim's solo album
Burning Heart,High on You, Search is Over,I Can't Hold Back, Eye of the Tiger from Survivor
The encore was Heavy Metal by Sammy Hagar since Jim co-wrote it with him. That's all I think, They played 90 minutes.

Ummmm Pride of Lions??

With HALF the songs not even being Pride of Lions tunes?????

AND.....the Ides played too....the same fest.....and I am sure they played those Survivor tunes as well.....Love those guys...but a quarter of their setlist is not the Ides tunes....and they have some great tunes they don't play.....

I am a bit confused why they called it Pride of Lions and not Jim Peterik....no disrespect, but if Mecca plays live, and we will, we sure won't do half the tunes from other bands we are associated with.....I mean, 5 Survivor songs... I wonder how Toby feels....they did 3 POL albums with about 35 tunes....and they play 8 of them and then 8 "Cover" tunes....let Toby have his day he deserves it....3 albums and he never gets to carry a tune himself alone....they kid has the chops, and is definately the singer in that band.....or he should be anyway....

Let World Stage be World Stage....POL be POL...Ides be the Ides...ect.....

Just my opinion boys and girls.....

JV

Perhaps Toby will continue to go along with Peterik until he feels that he has fully paid him back for the opportunity that Peterik has given him. Having said that, I feel they have gone just about as far together as they are going to go, and that if I were Toby I would look for a break in country music or (if that didn't work out) Christian rock. I'm sure that there is some security in maintaining the ties with Peterik, but I think the potential reward for him going off on his own is worth the risk. If his personal life would allow it, he should 'drop everything' and move to Nashville. I would think he would have plenty of recorded material by now to show to agents and producers with a decent footing in the country music biz. JV, you actually probably could help him in this regard if he were to approach you (given the contacts you have made in the Nashville scene). Whatever happens with Toby, I think his period of indentured servitude is just about over (yours lasted a few years too, did it not?).

[Irwin M Fletcher]

id love to hear more songs from THTS live and at least throw in some more from the debut,thats a fuckin killer album! btw, anyone have their setlists this year?

[Joe Vana]

hey axecrew,

can you give us the setlist please?

Thank you

Sure although it won't be completely in order,they did the following:
It's Criminal, Gone, Sound of Home, Unbreakable, Music and Me from the 1st album
Heaven on Earth and Let me Let you Go from The Roaring of Dreams
Vehicle from the Ides of March
Live Life from Jim's solo album
Burning Heart,High on You, Search is Over,I Can't Hold Back, Eye of the Tiger from Survivor
The encore was Heavy Metal by Sammy Hagar since Jim co-wrote it with him. That's all I think, They played 90 minutes.

Ummmm Pride of Lions??

With HALF the songs not even being Pride of Lions tunes?????

AND.....the Ides played too....the same fest.....and I am sure they played those Survivor tunes as well.....Love those guys...but a quarter of their setlist is not the Ides tunes....and they have some great tunes they don't play.....

I am a bit confused why they called it Pride of Lions and not Jim Peterik....no disrespect, but if Mecca plays live, and we will, we sure won't do half the tunes from other bands we are associated with.....I mean, 5 Survivor songs... I wonder how Toby feels....they did 3 POL albums with about 35 tunes....and they play 8 of them and then 8 "Cover" tunes....let Toby have his day he deserves it....3 albums and he never gets to carry a tune himself alone....they kid has the chops, and is definately the singer in that band.....or he should be anyway....

Let World Stage be World Stage....POL be POL...Ides be the Ides...ect.....

Just my opinion boys and girls.....

JV

Perhaps Toby will continue to go along with Peterik until he feels that he has fully paid him back for the opportunity that Peterik has given him. Having said that, I feel they have gone just about as far together as they are going to go, and that if I were Toby I would look for a break in country music or (if that didn't work out) Christian rock. I'm sure that there is some security in maintaining the ties with Peterik, but I think the potential reward for him going off on his own is worth the risk. If his personal life would allow it, he should 'drop everything' and move to Nashville. I would think he would have plenty of recorded material by now to show to agents and producers with a decent footing in the country music biz. JV, you actually probably could help him in this regard if he were to approach you (given the contacts you have made in the Nashville scene). Whatever happens with Toby, I think his period of indentured servitude is just about over (yours lasted a few years too, did it not?).

Country music people do NOT like Yankee's coming down and try to steal their thunder...it is a fickle and cliqueish bunch.....thats why you will not see many acts from here make it down there....that being said, Toby is a great singer and I would go the Christian route if his heart is in it....I have enough material for a great Christian album as well, but my heart does not lie there right now....he has earned the right to branch out, and I am sure he will...

JV