Live 1994 and 2008

by **bomes** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:09 am

"The search is over"

1994 with Dave http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9X83YAg ... re=related

2008 Jimi solo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GGFkPbG ... re=related

by **Eyeof** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:16 am

Truthfully the LaGrange version from 1993 is a much better version for Dave...

by **Ehwmatt** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:40 am

Terrible audio quality on the Jamo but he doesn't sound great there. Certain songs just aren't meant to be transposed down.

by **Joe Vana** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:45 am

Ehwmatt wrote:Terrible audio quality on the Jamo but he doesn't sound great there. Certain songs just aren't meant to be transposed down.

Wow....Dave did this song pretty damn well...as far as the Jamo version the tuned down thing really bugs me BUT to me his tone is still there, and that is what I listen for....I know alot of people seeing this would rip his ass BUT after years of singng JP/FS tunes with VERY high tessaturas (SP) it is not easy to keep the axe upthere....

JV

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:06 am

Yep, Joe again like Journey this catalogue is probably MURDER on a vocalist's voice.

You have a catalogue with vox laid down by 2 dynamic vocalists, it's gotta be hard to try and match live show after show, especially all these years out.

by **Jeremy Holiday** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:34 am

Jimi had the flu for that show, which is why he wasn't sounding his best. Definitely not a show he'd want documented for posterity.

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:56 am

Joe Vana wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Terrible audio quality on the Jamo but he doesn't sound great there. Certain songs just aren't meant to be transposed down.

Wow....Dave did this song pretty damn well...as far as the Jamo version the tuned down thing really bugs me BUT to me his tone is still there, and that is what I listen for....I know alot of people seeing this would rip his ass BUT after years of singng JP/FS tunes with VERY high tessaturas (SP) it is not easy to keep the axe upthere....

JV

joe? r u the joe vana that done the Mecca cd?

by **Eyeof** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:08 am

joe...would you agree that Dave really puts his mark on that song and kind of makes it a little edgier? The '93 version is actually better...his endind is fantastic...i was shocked at how strong his voice was when he came back to the band. As i reall after a few years though, it really did taper off again...

by **Ehwmatt** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:05 am

Dave sounded great on the verses in this version. He just needed a tiny bit more range and the song would have sounded really great. A few uncomfortable moments where he's straining. As for Jimi having the flu, that makes sense. I know he can sound better than that. Still, hard to pass a sweeping judgment when the audio quality is bad like on that video.

by **Joe Vana** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:48 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Yep, Joe again like Journey this catalogue is probably MURDER on a vocalist's voice.

You have a catalogue with vox laid down by 2 dynamic vocalists, it's gotta be hard to try and match live show after show, especially all these years out.

It is VERY difficult to replicate the original 20 PLUS years later....I read the post about the flu, I know that can be a mother f&^%$#r to do....

I give him credit....when I am 56+ I won't still be doing it...more power to him....I know in the studio with a master at pro tools like Larry Millas he will be able to rough out all the edges and bring Jimi's tone to the forefront.....that is the special sauce that only he has.....no one can replicate his tone, others may be able to sing the tunes, but nobody sounds like him...I hope that makes sense....Dave TOO!!!

JV

by **Joe Vana** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:48 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
Joe Vana wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Terrible audio quality on the Jamo but he doesn't sound great there. Certain songs just aren't meant to be transposed down.

Wow....Dave did this song pretty damn well...as far as the Jamo version the tuned down thing really bugs me BUT to me his tone is still there, and that is what I listen for....I know alot of people seeing this would rip his ass BUT after years of singng JP/FS tunes with VERY high tessaturas (SP) it is not easy to keep the axe upthere....

JV

joe? r u the joe vana that done the Mecca cd?

That B Me....

JV

by **Joe Vana** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:58 am

Eyeof wrote:joe...would you agree that Dave really puts his mark on that song and kind of makes it a little edgier? The '93 version is actually better...his endind is fantastic...i was shocked at how strong his voice was when he came back to the band. As i reall after a few years though, it really did taper off again...

YES....Dave's version has more edge...BUT....I am SURE JP and FS wrote this to be a soft delicate ballad....and JJ lives there....you have to get past the performance and listen to the tone, the voicings, the subtle nuance of the phrasing....JJ has a smoothness to his delivery even in his most rough of performances....Dave always adds that grit and edge....at that point it becomes personal preference.....

I would take both guys swimming in the ocean with sharks at their heels over almost anybody else doing this tune....However, Robin does a great job....really takes it in a different direction....but I don't think his version is as "commercial" as Dave or JJ's...ON THIS TUNE ONLY....those guys are pop singers (dave is more of a hybrid)....Robin just oooozes Rock and let me say a Hard Rock sound......he is absolutely hands down one of the finest Hard Rock singers EVER to grab a mic....and as far as stage presence, a fucking charismatic machine.....

Just my humble opinion.....

JV

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:26 pm

Fantastic breakdown and commentary, Joe Vana

by **MarcelJordan** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:29 pm

Very interesting points Joe.

Dave being a hybrid. Hmmm. By jove, I think you're right!

Dave's also got a higher range I think than JJ. That said, JJ's got more powerful pipes compared to Dave, IMO.

Robin is different but dare I say more versatile than both DB and JJ. Hard when he needs to, soft when it is required. That said, yes, Robin is more Hard rock perhaps a tad bordering on Metal than the Survivor we all remember.

JV, was Robin "shortlisted" back in late '83, till they eventually went to JJ? Frankie seemed (to me) as hinting this.

by **Joe Vana** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:52 am

MarcelJordan wrote:Very interesting points Joe.

Dave being a hybrid. Hmmm. By jove, I think you're right! Dave's also got a higher range I think than JJ. That said, JJ's got more powerful pipes compared to Dave, IMO.

Robin is different but dare I say more versatile than both DB and JJ. Hard when he needs to, soft when it is required. That said, yes, Robin is more Hard rock perhaps a tad bordering on Metal than the Survivor we all remember.

JV, was Robin "shortlisted" back in late '83, till they eventually went to JJ? Frankie seemed (to me) as hinting this.

Don't discount Jamo's range in the old days...he could get wayyy up there, Dave was a freak of nature though!!! And, as far as power I would say both in their prime it is a draw....

Robin back in 83'....I have no idea....but with that being said is anyone dissapointed in their choice??? nah....JJ was the right guy at the right time for the gig.....and I will venture to say EVERYBODY will agree with that....

JV

by **Tito** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:00 am

Someone told me once that Steve Walsh of Kansas was looked at in '83/'84. Can you confirm or deny this?

Thank you.

by **kgdjpubs** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:37 am

Joe Vana wrote:
Eyeof wrote:joe...would you agree that Dave really puts his mark on that song and kind of makes it a little edgier? The '93 version is actually better...his endind is fantastic...i was shocked at how strong his voice was when he came back to the band. As i reall after a few years though, it really did taper off again...

YES....Dave's version has more edge...BUT....I am SURE JP and FS wrote this to be a soft delicate ballad....and JJ lives there....you have to get past the performance and listen to the tone, the voicings, the subtle nuance of the phrasing....JJ has a smoothness to his delivery even in his most rough of performances....Dave always adds that grit and edge....at that point it becomes personal preference.....

That is true, although for some reason I heard a little less of that grit/edge on the infamous Fire Makes Steel demos of the early 90s. And yes, the 1993 LaGrange version with Bickler is MUCH better than this.

by **Irwin M Fletcher** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 1:42 am

Joe Vana wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
Joe Vana wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Terrible audio quality on the Jamo but he doesn't sound great there. Certain songs just aren't meant to be transposed down.

Wow....Dave did this song pretty damn well...as far as the Jamo version the tuned down thing really bugs me BUT to me his tone is still there, and that is what I listen for....I know alot of people seeing this would rip his ass BUT after years of singng JP/FS tunes with VERY high tessaturas (SP) it is not easy to keep the axe upthere....

JV

joe? r u the joe vana that done the Mecca cd?

That B Me....

JV

hi joe, im gonna get the mecca cd from ebay, ive a feelin ill love it

by **MarcelJordan** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:27 am

Tito wrote:Someone told me once that Steve Walsh of Kansas was looked at in '83/'84. Can you confirm or deny this?

Thank you.

I wouldn't bet against it. I've always considered SW to be the right guy, but that was AFTER I listened to the tune "POWER",which was from the '86 Kansas album. Although JJ was fitting like a glove with Survivor already. Then again after '86 the "hits" kind of dried up.

by **Slander** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:20 am

MarcelJordan wrote: Then again after '86 the "hits" kind of dried up.

Well put. I loved steve walsh too! All i wanted is a classic ballad. I could have seen him or Johnny Edwards singing lead for the band.

by **Slander** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:22 am

Joe Vana wrote:Robin just oooozes Rock and let me say a Hard Rock sound......he is absolutely hands down one of the finest Hard Rock singers EVER to grab a mic....and as far as stage presence, a fucking charismatic machine.....

Just my humble opinion.....

JV

Well put JV. I've said that for a long time. A fantastic showman. He truly has turned their live show up big time.

by **Slander** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:24 am

Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
Joe Vana wrote:
Irwin M Fletcher wrote:
Joe Vana wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Terrible audio quality on the Jamo but he doesn't sound great there. Certain songs just aren't meant to be transposed down.

Wow....Dave did this song pretty damn well...as far as the Jamo version the tuned down thing really bugs me BUT to me his tone is still there, and that is what I listen for....I know alot of people seeing this would rip his ass BUT after years of singng JP/FS tunes with VERY high tessaturas (SP) it is not easy to keep the axe upthere....

JV

joe? r u the joe vana that done the Mecca cd?

That B Me....

JV

hi joe, im gonna get the mecca cd from ebay, ive a feelin ill love it

You will IRWIN. It's a friggin gem.

by **Slander** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:25 am

Jeremy Holiday wrote:Jimi had the flu for that show, which is why he wasn't sounding his best. Definitely not a show he'd want documented for posterity.

Jeremy once again thanks for all the hard work on "Ultimate Survivor."

by **Ehwmatt** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:45 am

I love Steve and Kansas, but sadly, his voice is shot to hell these days. Plus, JJ was THE MAN for Survivor after Bickler. Two vocalists with similar sounds, but completely different "vibes" and styles. Genius.

MR

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