Here comes the silence again!

[Abitaman]

But I do not think people are coming out of the woodwork to defend Jimi, OK maybe they are, but he and Peterick are the only ones in the Survivor game still doing something. What is Frankie doing????

I guess my point is, why does JJ need defending at all? Let the music do the talkin'. By the way I agree with you. at least JJ and Peterik are doing something, but let's not kid ourselves-that something isn't always great.

That I will agree on, sometimes I wonder why artist's even bother with something so crappy. Must be the drugs they are on!?!
IMO, JJ stuff is good.

[Abitaman]

Hey we got a conversation to go two pages Been awhile since that happened.

[Slander]

Hey we got a conversation to go two pages Been awhile since that happened.

Exactly! That was the whole idea.

[axecrew]

But I do not think people are coming out of the woodwork to defend Jimi, OK maybe they are, but he and Peterick are the only ones in the Survivor game still doing something. What is Frankie doing????

I guess my point is, why does JJ need defending at all? Let the music do the talkin'. By the way I agree with you. at least JJ and Peterik are doing something, but let's not kid ourselves-that something isn't always great.

When ya got nothing to compare it to it is.

[Slander]

When ya got nothing to compare it to it is.

That's a pretty low bar for greatness Axe. Shite is shite, even compared to nothing.

[Joe Vana]

I have deleted this.

[Abitaman]

Wow!! I always considered you the focal point of the band, no BS, stand by the band.
Frankie, I assume, killed the project? Needs his butt kicked.

[Abitaman]

Also to add, After hearing Mecca II, I considered you one of the few people, short of Peterick returning, to get Frankie in the studio. Was hoping you Jimi would put together a killer cd. That looks lost now

[Joe Vana]

I deleted this too....this is a Survivor forum, not a Mecca forum....I will keep my rants about things down there!!

I don't want to skew anyone's thinking to mine, I want people to make their own decisions....

JV

[Joe Vana]

When ya got nothing to compare it to it is.

That's a pretty low bar for greatness Axe. Shite is shite, even compared to nothing.

This is all fucking rediculous....we are all here discussing a band that does 10 to 15 shows a year...1 half ass album in 16 years...a leader who works on his blues album for 20 years and still not done going from studio to studio.....and who wants a blues album anyway....I am done with these cats....I spent 7 months busting my ass writing for an album that would have killed, just to see it all shelved because NOTHING CAN F'N EVER GET FINISHED!!!! I only wanted to HELP a friend out, NO motives or Agendas...and what do I get???? I think some people have a shitty way of treating "friends'.....I am going to use the material anyway for Mecca III, ALL of it....Could care less if they want to use it....I wasn't, but now I am....

JV

Also to add, After hearing Mecca II, I considered you one of the few people, short of Peterick returning, to get Frankie in the studio. Was hoping you Jimi would put together a killer cd. That looks lost now

JJ and I would make an EPIC album together If we ever had the chance.....

[Eyeof]

Hell Yeah, JV...

I know you are torn here, but I sure as hell admire the passion in that post...About time someone gets passionate and tells it like it is...If that man had just one quarter of the passion you exhibited in that post, that band would be headed for the rock and roll hall of fame...

[axecrew]

When ya got nothing to compare it to it is.

That's a pretty low bar for greatness Axe. Shite is shite, even compared to nothing.

Yup sure is and your idols sullivanivor can't even "reach" the bar at that low level.

[Slander]

When ya got nothing to compare it to it is.

That's a pretty low bar for greatness Axe. Shite is shite, even compared to nothing.

Yup sure is and your idols sullivanivor can't even "reach" the bar at that low level.

WTF axe. How is Sullivan my idol when all I've written in this thread has been critical? You're not making any sense. All I said was that just because FS doesn't put out new material doesn't equate to everything put out by JJ and JP being great.

[axecrew]

When ya got nothing to compare it to it is.

That's a pretty low bar for greatness Axe. Shite is shite, even compared to nothing.

Yup sure is and your idols sullivanivor can't even "reach" the bar at that low level.

WTF axe. How is Sullivan my idol when all I've written in this thread has been critical? You're not making any sense. All I said was that just because FS doesn't put out new material doesn't equate to everything put out by JJ and JP being great.

Dude all you've done on this board is defend sullivan to your last breath....including in this very thread. Face it the guy's a tool and 100% of nothing is still nothing...but 100% of something is something.

Btw...maybe you should go back and re-read what I said and look a little closer this time.

[Abitaman]

Will have to say Slander defends FS a lot, but I do not think he is Pro FS. I seen come down on the dude a lot.

[Slander]

Dude all you've done on this board is defend sullivan to your last breath....including in this very thread. Face it the guy's a tool and 100% of nothing is still nothing...but 100% of something is something.

My tank is empty. It's hard to give when no one is giving back. I expected so much more. I really did. Shame on me for believing.


This is me defending FS? Are you kidding me?

[Eyeof]

Don't sweat it Slander...i used to be the same way....learned - like so many others - the hard way!

[RockInDetroit]

survivor should do a "generations" tour, with all past and present players.
just like the the successful Journey tour where....
no one showed.

Loverboy and Pat Benatar are touring with Journey this summer. In my eyes Survivor is as big if not bigger than both of these acts! Why can't FS and company get a gig like that or are they just not interested? Or is it poor promotion and management?

Sorry dude, Survivor was not as big as those guys. Survivor could never even do a tour on their own out side a festival or tiny bar show. Both Pat Benatar and Loverboy filled arenas.

[Journey/Survivor]

survivor should do a "generations" tour, with all past and present players.
just like the the successful Journey tour where....
no one showed.

Loverboy and Pat Benatar are touring with Journey this summer. In my eyes Survivor is as big if not bigger than both of these acts! Why can't FS and company get a gig like that or are they just not interested? Or is it poor promotion and management?

Sorry dude, Survivor was not as big as those guys. Survivor could never even do a tour on their own out side a festival or tiny bar show. Both Pat Benatar and Loverboy filled arenas.

If you're talking about now, then you're right, Survivor can no longer headline large venues that aren't connected to a festival, casino or amusement park type deal.

However, back during the WSC tour, Survivor were headlining five thousand seat venues.

[Slander]

[
If you're talking about now, then you're right, Survivor can no longer headline large venues that aren't connected to a festival, casino or amusement park type deal.

However, back during the WSC tour, Survivor were headlining five thousand seat venues.

I don't think loverboy and Pat Benatar are headlining large gigs either! Having said they did headline. Jason and the Scorchers was the opening act back in 87.

[Joe Vana]

survivor should do a "generations" tour, with all past and present players.
just like the the successful Journey tour where....
no one showed.

Loverboy and Pat Benatar are touring with Journey this summer. In my eyes Survivor is as big if not bigger than both of these acts! Why can't FS and company get a gig like that or are they just not interested? Or is it poor promotion and management?

Sorry dude, Survivor was not as big as those guys. Survivor could never even do a tour on their own out side a festival or tiny bar show. Both Pat Benatar and Loverboy filled arenas.

Completely TRUE....If it was a paying gig I bet they could not sell 1,000 tix anywhere....if so I would be VERY surprised.....and I don't mean give away 800 and have 200 paying customers.....

[RockInDetroit]

Survivor never played to paying crowds the size that Loverboy and Pat Benatar did. In fact, I bet Survivor probably opened for one or the other. I remember Loverboy selling out multiple dates in Detroit at the old Pine Knob. And I remember Pat Benatar doing the same at the Palace of Auburn Hills. I've seen Survivor at paying shows only as an opening act. I believe the most recent time I saw Survivor play was opening for Night Ranger. Night Ranger was the opener for Journey last year with Foreigner. So no, Surviror was never as popular as Pat Benatar or Loverboy.

[Slander]

So no, Surviror was never as popular as Pat Benatar or Loverboy.

Simple albums sales would tell you that.

[Tito]

I like Survivor a lot. They have a ton of great songs, several hits, and 4 songs that are still played in heavy rotation (one which is an American classic). However, they are an overloved band on this board. This doesn't mean they aren't good or anything, they are very good. But, we have lost perspective on their relevance in the music world (not the first time this happened on MR). I'm guilty of this too, but I put more of my distorted view on loyalty to a local band. Band members that basically grew up in the same towns I did.

They essentially had a pretty good run for 20+ years. Not bad considering their success was really confined to just a few years. I would say the last 10 years or so has definitely been a major decline for the band. But, what could you honestly expect for a band that had modest success relatively speaking. I know EOTT skews their popularity, but excluding that song...which I know you can't do, they had one platinum album which was 27-28 years ago. How long could it have really last.?

Don't get me wrong, the last 10 years have seen self-inflicted wound after another, which has caused their decline. Had they not have misstep (many times) they could have still been a successful fair touring band (regionally) and possibly hooked up with a national tour on occasion during some of the EOTT resurgences.

To use a wrestling term, in the grand scheme of things, Survivor is/was a mid-card jobber.

[jaxmanjoe]

I like Survivor a lot. They have a ton of great songs, several hits, and 4 songs that are still played in heavy rotation (one which is an American classic). However, they are an overloved band on this board. This doesn't mean they aren't good or anything, they are very good. But, we have lost perspective on their relevance in the music world (not the first time this happened on MR).

We haven't lost perspective on their relevance in the music world. At least not me. For me it's all personal, their relevance to me and me alone. Their impact on the music industry may have been limited but their impact on my life was significant. We all have personal reasons why we want new music. I think we're all well aware that they will never have another Top 40 hit and we're fine with that. We each have our own selfish desire to see new music grace our MP3 players, and yes, a few CD players.

I don't dream of their being a whole new generation of Survivor fans. Although, my twelve year old can sing most of their hits along with me! I just either want more music or closure. But I imagine it's hard for a writer to stop writing so I don't begrudge Frankie that. If it makes him happy then he should keep writing. It's just sad that there is so much he's written that we'll probably never hear. I'm not sad that the world won't hear it, just that I won't.

I think maybe we expect too much from these guys who have been at the same job for over 30 years. I can't imagine doing the same thing over and over for 30 years. I, like everyone else on here, give in to frustration from time to time but ultimately my only hope is that Frankie has enough desire to keep making music for another 20 years. I want a new Survivor album (and Mecca album) playing at my retirement party!

I've known Survivor longer than I've known my wife. It's a relationship I cherish and I want to continue. Only now, it's like a friend that's moved away and I only get to see once every 7-8 years. Wish I could see him more but I'll take what I can get.

So, I'm waiting. Hoping he'll make a new appearance via CD. And when he does we'll have a blast and I'll remind my daughter about how I knew him in high school. And he'll disappear again and the cycle begins anew [cue Lion King music].

Joe

[Slander]

I think maybe we expect too much from these guys who have been at the same job for over 30 years.
Joe

Hi Joe, I agree with you to a point, but then why continually promise new music and post pictures of recording sessions? That's not right. It's as if we are being led on just enough to stay interested. I don't think we expect too much when we get so little after being promised so much? Right?

[RockInDetroit]

I like Survivor a lot. They have a ton of great songs, several hits, and 4 songs that are still played in heavy rotation (one which is an American classic). However, they are an overloved band on this board. This doesn't mean they aren't good or anything, they are very good. But, we have lost perspective on their relevance in the music world (not the first time this happened on MR).

We haven't lost perspective on their relevance in the music world. At least not me. For me it's all personal, their relevance to me and me alone. Their impact on the music industry may have been limited but their impact on my life was significant. We all have personal reasons why we want new music. I think we're all well aware that they will never have another Top 40 hit and we're fine with that. We each have our own selfish desire to see new music grace our MP3 players, and yes, a few CD players.

I don't dream of their being a whole new generation of Survivor fans. Although, my twelve year old can sing most of their hits along with me! I just either want more music or closure. But I imagine it's hard for a writer to stop writing so I don't begrudge Frankie that. If it makes him happy then he should keep writing. It's just sad that there is so much he's written that we'll probably never hear. I'm not sad that the world won't hear it, just that I won't.

I think maybe we expect too much from these guys who have been at the same job for over 30 years. I can't imagine doing the same thing over and over for 30 years. I, like everyone else on here, give in to frustration from time to time but ultimately my only hope is that Frankie has enough desire to keep making music for another 20 years. I want a new Survivor album (and Mecca album) playing at my retirement party!

I've known Survivor longer than I've known my wife. It's a relationship I cherish and I want to continue. Only now, it's like a friend that's moved away and I only get to see once every 7-8 years. Wish I could see him more but I'll take what I can get.

So, I'm waiting. Hoping he'll make a new appearance via CD. And when he does we'll have a blast and I'll remind my daughter about how I knew him in high school. And he'll disappear again and the cycle begins anew [cue Lion King music].

Joe

Great post Joe!

[jaxmanjoe]

I think maybe we expect too much from these guys who have been at the same job for over 30 years.
Joe

Hi Joe, I agree with you to a point, but then why continually promise new music and post pictures of recording sessions? That's not right. It's as if we are being led on just enough to stay interested. I don't think we expect too much when we get so little after being promised so much? Right?

I agree the promise of new music kinda sucks . Let me relate a story.

I have a friend, my best friend, who it always late for EVERYTHING. The only thing I remember him being on time for was my wedding and that was because I was with him the whole day and wouldn't let him be late! I have lots of other friends that get pissed off every time he shows up late and always wonder why I put up with it and I always have the same reply:

"Did you know he was going to be late?" Yes... "Then he really showed up when you expected him, didn't he?" Yes...

So, while it can be frustrating, we know how Frankie is and we want him to change but he's just not going to. We can be pissed off that his promised album is going to be a 'few' years late but we all knew this going in, so its really going to come out about when we all expect it to and not a minute sooner. So we can bitch and moan but he's meeting my expectation of his release schedule so I'm trying to keep that in mind.

The real problem I think most of us have, ultimately, is that we just want more, quicker. It's not in Frankie's nature, unfortunately. So I do get frustrated, too, but I try to keep my sights on the fact that Frankie is at least still working on new music. He hasn't said he's retiring and that's good news for me.

I don't begrudge anyone their feelings on this board. We all react differently to the status of Survivor's music and I've definitely let off some steam on occasion. I'm just glad I've got a support group here were we can all celebrate the past music, vent our frustrations, and keep hoping for new music.

Joe