Jim and Frankie

[RyanHippFTW]

You guys have probably talked about this before, I don't know, but I'm wanting know what you guys think is driving Jim to do all these projects and Frankie to do nothing. What made Frankie give up? The band losing popularity? Was he always like this?

[jaxmanjoe]

While I can hear Frankie's footprint more than Jim's on most of Survivor's music, I definitely feel that it had to be Jim's drive that got their music out the door. Frankie seems to have a problem finishing projects while Jim can churn them out left and right. That said, I don't think Jim's solo work is as good as Frankie's Survivor post-Jim. So, for me its a question of quality vs. quantity. I like Jim's quantity but I wish it had Frankie's quality.

Of course, the quantity recently has been zero for Frankie, so something is better than nothing. With today's cloud delivery, I don't see why a single can't be released without a whole album. One damn song would be better than nothing.

They just have two very different approaches to project management. Jim's all about getting it done. Frankie is more about the journey...apparently a journey that never has a destination - like the Starship Enterprise, whose ongoing mission...

I think they have equal drive. They are just driven in different directions. I imagine that has a lot to do with why they don't work together anymore.

Joe

[Joe Vana]

While I can hear Frankie's footprint more than Jim's on most of Survivor's music, I definitely feel that it had to be Jim's drive that got their music out the door. Frankie seems to have a problem finishing projects while Jim can churn them out left and right. That said, I don't think Jim's solo work is as good as Frankie's Survivor post-Jim. So, for me its a question of quality vs. quantity. I like Jim's quantity but I wish it had Frankie's quality.

Of course, the quantity recently has been zero for Frankie, so something is better than nothing. With today's cloud delivery, I don't see why a single can't be released without a whole album. One damn song would be better than nothing.

They just have two very different approaches to project management. Jim's all about getting it done. Frankie is more about the journey...apparently a journey that never has a destination - like the Starship Enterprise, whose ongoing mission...

I think they have equal drive. They are just driven in different directions. I imagine that has a lot to do with why they don't work together anymore.

Joe

Dude....can you pass the joint this way???!!!

As a guy who knows them both well, their drive is 100 percent opposite....one has a ton, the other none...

And you hear more of FS's footprint in Survivor's music??? Seriously???? Again, dude you must get the best shit on the planet!!!

Journey??? nah....destination unknown!!!!

That was a funny post....keep it for April 1, 2013!!!

Wow........JV

[Journey/Survivor]

My take on it....

Song writing comes easy for Peterik, and he loves to do it.

Sullivan is a great co-writer of songs, but has to have someone to write with. Even then, as we know, he has written songs with JV, JJ, DB and a few others since Peterik left Survivor, and Sullivan still doesn't follow through on releasing any of it.

IMO Sullivan is only in it for the money anymore, not that there is much of that to be made anymore. He seems to only want to play a small amount of dates a year, make a little money from it, and have fun playing long solos.

I've heard RUMORS that Sullivan has a drug problem. I myself am NOT saying that he does, but that is a rumor that I've heard. If it's true? Then that might also interfere with his ability to follow through on things?

One way or another, Sullivan does not seem to be a very driven person. He doesn't have the Eye Of The Tiger.

Lot's of wasted talent, however.

[jaxmanjoe]

Dude....can you pass the joint this way???!!!

As a guy who knows them both well, their drive is 100 percent opposite....one has a ton, the other none...

And you hear more of FS's footprint in Survivor's music??? Seriously???? Again, dude you must get the best shit on the planet!!!

Journey??? nah....destination unknown!!!!

That was a funny post....keep it for April 1, 2013!!!

Wow........JV

Ouch. I'll take that as a 'you don't agree with me' post...

[Joe Vana]

Dude....can you pass the joint this way???!!!

As a guy who knows them both well, their drive is 100 percent opposite....one has a ton, the other none...

And you hear more of FS's footprint in Survivor's music??? Seriously???? Again, dude you must get the best shit on the planet!!!

Journey??? nah....destination unknown!!!!

That was a funny post....keep it for April 1, 2013!!!

Wow........JV

Ouch. I'll take that as a 'you don't agree with me' post...

ALL in good fun!!!!

NO disrespect my man!!!!

JV

[def]

I really can't judge FS impact on Survivor's songwriting. I just know, that the more often I listen to 'Reach' the weaker the album sounds. 'Fire Makes Steel' is the far outstanding track and as far as I know this track origins from a writing period in which Peterik still was involved in, wasn't he? I don't want to add to much of an opinion about what FS is doing with what was once a superb AOR/ melodic rock band and the way he treated or treats other band members. After having read the court documents from the latest legal issue he and Jamison and Ellis had, I just cannot believe, that they are on one stage together... well, they are free to do whatever they want, so have fun .

Nevertheless, there is one album he at least co-wrote with other writers songs for, that I really love. IMHO "Ready To Rock" and especially "Don't Say No Tonight" of Eddie Money's 'Readdie Eddie' are some of my alltime melodic rock favourites.

[RyanHippFTW]

After having read the court documents from the latest legal issue he and Jamison and Ellis had

where can I see these things these are the types of things I would like to see

[jaxmanjoe]

Nevertheless, there is one album he at least co-wrote with other writers songs for, that I really love. IMHO "Ready To Rock" and especially "Don't Say No Tonight" of Eddie Money's 'Readdie Eddie' are some of my alltime melodic rock favourites.

I agree with you 100% on his Readdie Eddie work. Great tunes!

[Journey/Survivor]

Frankie has co-written songs on a few non-Survivor albums. And those albums have really good songs on them. But they were always written with other writers . And as good as many of those songs are, they're not as good as the songs that he wrote with Peterik.

However...It would still be great to have a new Survivor album...even if Peterik is not involved in the songwriting.

It would be great to see Survivor release the album that JV wrote songs for with Frankie. And then get Peterik involved and write and record one last Survivor album.

[Journey/Survivor]

After having read the court documents from the latest legal issue he and Jamison and Ellis had

where can I see these things these are the types of things I would like to see

If you do a Google search of something like "Jamison VS Sullivan," you can probably find info on the lawsuit. I've found stuff about the lawsuit doing that in the past.

[def]

After having read the court documents from the latest legal issue he and Jamison and Ellis had

where can I see these things these are the types of things I would like to see

Here you find some of the dirt:

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/illino ... 40/202195/

http://il.findacase.com/research/wfrmDo ... NIL.htm/qx

http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/dis ... /202195/85

[Abitaman]

After listening to all my Survivor, Pride of Lions, Survivor solo stuff and projects over the past month, IMO JP is the brains behind the music and the band. FS had the guitar sound that was it. Listen to everything JP has recorded solo, projects, POL, etc...It is all there. Any of those songs are Survivor songs, the guitar sound is just different.
DB and JJ brought there own feel to the band too. JJ had a more soulful, powerful voice that brought more life to the songs. JJ solo Cd's have all been good (When love comes down had crappy production). All could have been Survivor songs, with little tweaking. Even though he had little writing credit to Survivor, JJ was as much responsible for their sound as FS. But again JP was the brains.

Also look at this
What has JJ done since he originally left Survivor, 1 Survivor reunion CD, 5 or 6 solo Cd's, soundtracks, plus what 2 more Cd's coming out?
JP 4 solo Cd's, 3 POL plus a new one coming out in a month. Plus worked on a JJ solo CD.
FS 1 Survivor CD.

FS is washed up, writer blocked, butt who promises a solo CD plus Survivor CD for 8 years.

[RyanHippFTW]

Weird thing about the Reach songs for me (except for Talkin' 'Bout Love and the Peterik stuff) it seems like Frankie or whoever came up with some great verses and good choruses but couldn't think of songs to write around them so they just sorta jumbled them together. Main one for me is Reach, I love everything in that song that isn't the chorus, which is the part that makes it feel off.

Also one other thing about Reach the song, were they trying to copy JJ's Dream Too Far on that one or something?