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by **RockInDetroit** » Fri May 04, 2007 11:34 pm

Slander, you can say what you want but the facts are facts....Frankie has a difficult time getting along with others.

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 1:13 am

Frank wrote:I was just reading the posts of Slander and it made me wonder if Slander in reality is Frankie Sullivan.

Frank that's idiotic. If you read the posts, you'll know I've been critical of Frankie many times. Read the post again. Quit drinking the Jamo KOOL-AID. You Jamo-heads are ultra sensitive. I'd like to get you all on Dr. Phil. Quit towing the company line. Be objective.

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 1:15 am

RockInDetroit wrote:Slander, you can say what you want but the facts are facts....Frankie has a difficult time getting along with others.

Do you know him? So Peterik had a hard time getting along with Joe Vana from Mecca. Does that mean I'm going to bash Peterik. No! Individual relationships are none our business. I think before you make value judgements like the one you just made you ought to look in the mirror buddy boy.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat May 05, 2007 1:40 am

Slander wrote:
RockInDetroit wrote:Slander, you can say what you want but the facts are facts....Frankie has a difficult time getting along with others.

Do you know him?

We can make logical assumptions based on publicly set precedent. The guy spends more time filing suits and firing Survivor members than making new Survivor music at this time.

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:01 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote:
RockInDetroit wrote:Slander, you can say what you want but the facts are facts....Frankie has a difficult time getting along with others.

Do you know him?

We can make logical assumptions based on publicly set precedent. The guy spends more time filing suits and firing Survivor members than making new Survivor music at this time.

Should I make the same assumption about Peterik because he is no longer with Mecca? Come on. I'm not going to question Frankie's character because Jamo has a problem with what he was getting payed. That sounds like a Jamo problem. Jamo doesn't need a microphone he needs a diaper. People need to quit their crying.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:10 am

It's not about Peterik, not about Jamison. Every critique of FS is not answerable with "Well what about Jim? Well what about Jimi?"

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:22 am

Red13JoePa wrote:It's not about Peterik, not about Jamison. Every critique of FS is not answerable with "Well what about Jim? Well what about Jimi?"

The issue to me is hypocrisy. Not Frankie. The Jamo-heads don't want to hold their beloved hero to the same standards that they do FS. Of course you don't want to make it about Jamo or Peterik because you guys don't have a leg to stand on. You folks don't hold Jamison responsible for anything. He's a mere infant in your eyes. Like I said get him a rattle and diaper. You guys sure like to pamper.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:42 am

Can you actually cite what Jamison has done to offend? At least then it may give credence to answering every legitimate question about what goes on with Survivor with either "Jamison's no saint" or "Frankie's a deep thinker, an intense guy." You actually excused Survivor bailing on the bunch of fans who showed up when you saw Jimi replace them (and bashed him for doing so) by saying maybe they got a more lucrative gig.
We've NEVER been favored by you with examples that have been repeatedly requested backing up the vaguely based malice against Jamo. But those who critique Frankie ALWAYS have bucked up with reasons why.

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:55 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Can you actually cite what Jamison has done to offend? At least then it may give credence to answering every legitimate question about what goes on with Survivor with either "Jamison's no saint" or "Frankie's a deep thinker, an intense guy." You actually excused Survivor bailing on the bunch of fans who showed up when you saw Jimi replace them (and bashed him for doing so) by saying maybe they got a more lucrative gig.
We've NEVER been favored by you with examples that have been repeatedly requested backing up the vaguely based malice against Jamo. But those who critique Frankie ALWAYS have bucked up with reasons why.

Wait a second. What have I ever said to bash Jamo himself? I never tear into his character. I have called him a great vocalist and a nice guy. Sorry I'm not going to be an ass kisser. I like him. What more do you want me to say? All I have ever said is hold the various members or ex-members to the same standard you do FS. Is that really so much to ask? You guys spend hours impuning FS character. No one is qualified to do that. You don't know the guy. By the way I do think it was wrong for Jamo to tour with the name way back when. Yes the court ruled in his favor, I still think it was wrong. So did JP for that matter. It's wrong for Jamo to play songs if a band doesn't have skills to pull them off. Sorry that's my opinion. I'd rather listen to a Survivor tribute band than a band led by Jamo pretending to be Survivor. By the way, what malice have a shot Jamo's way? What? I've even been critical of Frankie from time to time. You guys selective read.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:12 am

Thought as much. No reason given, just the same passive aggressive nonsense "I've said he's a nice guy and a good singer" pattern that always develops after about 10 posts taking shots at him. It's really a laughable cycle.

BTW, he's got EVERY right in the world to play Survivor songs and call himself The Voice Of Survivor.

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:20 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Thought as much. No reason given, just the same passive aggressive nonsense "I've said he's a nice guy and a good singer" pattern that always develops after about 10 posts taking shots at him. It's really a laughable cycle.

BTW, he's got EVERY right in the world to play Survivor songs and call himself The Voice Of Survivor.

He doesn't have every right in the world to make them sound like ****. I suggest he finds quality muscians who can pull it off then. How am I passive agressive. I'm sorry I call it as I see it. Jimi is a great vocalist. Jimi is a nice guy. Jimi needs to get a band that can do the Survivor tradition proud. What I heard ain't cutting it. Maybe you like Survivor songs turned into a mockery but I don't. That goes for World Stage too. I'm sorry. Toby singing Eye of the Tiger? What? Liza Manelli wasn't available?

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:23 am

Slander wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote: he's got EVERY right in the world to play Survivor songs and call himself The Voice Of Survivor.

He doesn't have every right in the world to make them sound like ****.

Matter of opinion.
Plenty of fine folks have weighed in with that very sentiment of Survivor right now.

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:33 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote: he's got EVERY right in the world to play Survivor songs and call himself The Voice Of Survivor.

He doesn't have every right in the world to make them sound like ****.

Matter of opinion.
Plenty of fine folks have weighed in with that very sentiment of Survivor right now.

Vocally if you don't like Robin that's fine. I get it. In terms of musicianship. You Jamo heads don't have a leg to stand on. Survivor is superior to what Jamo is touring with. That's the end of the discussion.

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:40 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote: he's got EVERY right in the world to play Survivor songs and call himself The Voice Of Survivor.

He doesn't have every right in the world to make them sound like ****.

Matter of opinion.
Plenty of fine folks have weighed in with that very sentiment of Survivor right now.

One other thing. The Jamo fans are being dishonest. The Jamo of 2007 in no way sounds like he did in 1987. You are all kidding yourselves.

As Jamo once said about Dave: Well it doesn't really bother me cause I know this bands is as good as theirs. I mean Dave can't even sing more than 15 minutes at a time. When he tries to sing 'The Search is Over' it just doesn't happen you know.

It just doesn't happen for Jamo like used it to. Sorry the truth is a bitch. By the wait that Jamo quote was very classy back then wasn't it? Oh I forgot jamo is a great guy. That was crappy thing to say back then. Dave is a great guy.

by **Frank** » Sat May 05, 2007 4:59 am

Slander wrote:
Frank wrote:I was just reading the posts of Slander and it made me wonder if Slander in reality is Frankie Sullivan.

Frank that's idiotic. If you read the posts, you'll know I've been critical of Frankie many times. Read the post again. Quit drinking the Jamo KOOL-AID. You Jamo-heads are ultra sensitive. I'd like to get you all on Dr. Phil. Quit towing the company line. Be objective.

I was just kidding, Slander. Frankie Sullivan doesn't have the time to visit this forum, because he is far too busy writing new songs. BTW: I'm no Jamo head. About 15 years ago Jimi Jamison was one of the best rock singers in the world, but his voice unfortunately deteriorated a lot since then. The last time I heard him sing, about 2 years ago, I was really disappointed. That doesn't mean that I like Robin McAuley though, because his nasal voice doesn't fit Survivor at all. When Jimi Jamison quit, Frankie Sullivan should have ended Survivor, because with a singer like McAuley this is no longer Survivor for me.

by **Eyeof** » Sat May 05, 2007 7:10 am

First of all, I don't know why everything comes back around to JJ...I for one, don't give a rats ass one way or the other about Jamo...quite honestly, my negative feelings about Frankie derive from the way the treated Dave the last time around and the fact the he fired the voice that I consider Survivor...Look, I don't care who you like, Dave or JJ...they are both Survivor, they are both fine...but the fact is...I listened to Frankie for months, for years...bash JJ...sue JJ...talk all kinds of shit about JJ...you name it...and then what? He up and fires dave and JJ's back...I'm sorry Slander if you can't except it, but that's a Hypocrite...your savior Frankie is the biggest hypocrite in the world...he sues, he lies and he constantly misleads...maybe he has kept Survivor going...or Maybe he's killed it....I can tell you this....If Frankie and Robin M were playing at the Forum in LA and Dave and Jim Peterik were playing in a parking lot...I'd be in that parking lot in a heartbeat...Now, knowing you, you'll start out by bashing Dave somehow....but it doesn't matter....Frankie lied...Frankie mislead and Frankie said one thing and did the other one to many times...it's just the facts...

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat May 05, 2007 10:03 am

Eyeof wrote:Now, knowing you, you'll start out by bashing Dave somehow

I quoted the ONLY thing you were wrong about in the post. It will circle back to Jamison, ALWAYS to Jamison w/ the SMan.

My favorite Frankie moment was the end of the interview when he appeared to clear up everything, including some anger at Andrew and said "You hear any rumors, ANYthing, gime a call right away and we'll clear it up."

Like a week or 2 later JJ rolled, we asked the 'bat to call Frankie as offered, he posted "I did. The number's disconnected." :lol:

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 10:54 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Eyeof wrote:Now, knowing you, you'll start out by bashing Dave somehow

I quoted the ONLY thing you were wrong about in the post. It will circle back to Jamison, ALWAYS to Jamison w/ the SMan.

My favorite Frankie moment was the end of the interview when he appeared to clear up everything, including some anger at Andrew and said "You hear any rumors, ANYthing, gime a call right away and we'll clear it up."

Like a week or 2 later JJ rolled, we asked the 'bat to call Frankie as offered, he posted "I did. The number's disconnected."

Dave's great. He is Survivor. No knock here. Terrific guy too from what I hear. He didn't decide parade around with a **** band like Jamo ripping off Survivor songs that he didn't write. Frankie owes know one an explanation about anything. He's not like Jamo mouthing off to the press that 'IT' just doesn't happen for Dave anymore. There's enough bs here to go around. You guys think Frankie is the anti-christ. I'm not trying to change your minds. Let's just be consistent with our argumentation.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:30 am

Slander, I want Frankie to stop wasting time. He's WAY too good a player and writer to have pissed away as much time as he has since 1988. I and a lot of us here are rooting like hell for him to rally the band into getting a new record out ASAFP.
We have the past as precedent for the fun we poke at him so I think that's fair. But I KNOW I and most of the fans just want him and the band to prove me wrong.

Journey's another big band of mine, and I look at these damn Perry loons sitting around being teased by this guy who annually says "I'm thinking of doing something at some point" and they start holding vigil for the announcement of his first album since 1994, the damn fools.
Van Halen too.

I just DON'T want see Frankie keep behaving like that making incessant empty promises and incinerating bridges w/ bandmates. Again, it's a damn shame because he and that band are SO good.

by **survivorfan2005** » Sat May 05, 2007 1:33 pm

My thoughts... How can you truly even judge Robin? I mean, sure his vocals aren't really suited for Survivor's classic hits. Those songs belong to the ones who originally performed them kind of like Dave w/ EOTT. As a vocalist myself in the music industry and a radio personallity, I have discovered that songs are only good for whom they are written. If you want to judge Robin, do so by his work on "business as Usual" and not the classic songs of Survivor. So, untill you actually hear Robin sing Survivor stuff written FOR HIM.. I mean just think in the future tense: if Robin has a hit song and is replaced by Jamison, Bickler, or even someone else they can't perform just like Robin did, just like no one sings EOTT like Dave.

Don't judge without proper education of the matter.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACHOTHER!

by **Slander** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:00 pm

I agree. I can't imagine Jimi singing a song like 'THE ONE THAT REALLY MATTERS'. He never sounded right singing "Caught in the Game." I don't think Dave sounded right singing stuff of Vital Signs. I can't wait to here songs written Robin. Having said that I think he does a great job with "Fire Makes Steel." Robin is also going to give Frankie a chance to explore his bluesy side.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:01 pm

Hey, man. It's true i'm not happy Jamo rolled after Reach, but I AM behind McCauley and the band and HOPE for that album. I dug the one Srvr boot I have w/ McCauley, was impressed with the TV show performance. If Frankie tells the band to take a month off after the summer tour, reconvene in the fall to write/record second qtr '08 should NOT be out of the question. It's just I've seen the promises before so I CAN'T hold my breath.

by **MarcelJordan** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:27 pm

See next entry :oops:

by **MarcelJordan** » Sat May 05, 2007 3:28 pm

survivorfan2005 wrote:I have talked to Jimi personally about this a few days after he'd left. He told me the ONLY reason he left is because he wasn't being payed enough and got tired of being cheated.

BTW: Relax and have an apple

and for those who think FS is out of songs to write.. maybe YOU should buy him a copy of JP's book.

Its interesting that it mentions Jim is a grammy winner, but they got the award for "performance with vocals";not for songwriting. I guess FS would have no use for it. :wink:

by **RockInDetroit** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:36 pm

Slander wrote:I agree. I can't imagine Jimi singing a song like 'THE ONE THAT REALLY MATTERS'. He never sounded right singing "Caught in the Game." I don't think Dave sounded right singing stuff of Vital Signs. I can't wait to here songs written Robin. Having said that I think he does a great job with "Fire Makes Steel." Robin is also going to give Frankie a chance to explore his bluesy side.

You guys are way overally picky about Dave not handling Jami songs and visa versa. Those guys are about as interchangable as they come. I have seen both sing each otehrs songs.......I consider myself a Survivor fan....but even the casual fans can not tell the difference. I know casual fans that have seen Robin try to sing Survivor songs and it was very obvisious to them. I judge Robin on how he sings Survivor songs....I bet Robin doesn't record more than one cd with Survivor....that cd may be great, but Survivor was and will always be 'bigger' with either Dave or Jami on vocals.

by **Slander** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:16 am

You guys are way overally picky about Dave not handling Jami songs and visa versa. Those guys are about as interchangable as they come. I bet Robin doesn't record more than one cd with Survivor....that cd may be great, but Survivor was and will always be 'bigger' with either Dave or Jami on vocals.[/quote]

Thank you Nostradamus. I'm not sure how "big" Survivor was with Jimi on Vocals for the last 6 years. Don't think big at all. I'm not sure how "big" Survivor was in 1989 when Jimi's THTS album didn't sell for shite. I'm not sure how big Survivor was when CITG tanked with Jimi on vocals. You are sure using the term "big" loosely. Secondly if Jimi and Dave were so interchangle why did both Jim Peterik and Frankie Sullivan change their writing style with Jamo behind the mic. Jimi and Dave sound nothing alike.

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:26 am

Slander wrote:CITG tanked with Jimi on vocals.

Dave was singing on that tankjob.

by **Slander** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:28 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote:CITG tanked with Jimi on vocals.

Dave was singing on that tankjob.

Red you are correct sir. CITG is my favorite album. Can't do better than Santa Ana Winds and Slander. Anyone listen to the opening of Slander lately? Frankie's guitar work is the best.

by **MarcelJordan** » Tue May 08, 2007 12:32 pm

Slander wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:
Slander wrote:CITG tanked with Jimi on vocals.

Dave was singing on that tankjob.

Red you are correct sir. CITG is my favorite album. Can't do better than Santa Ana Winds and Slander. Anyone listen to the opening of Slander lately? Frankie's guitar work is the best.

Santa Ana Winds is a true classic (to me). Slander is awesome!

With regards to CITG tanking,I think it was due to the fact the EYE became bigger than the band at that point .

I want to be frank though, I felt Dave sounded different and a bit off than the EYE album, not as versatile overall(IMO). However, it was made worse, no thanks in part to Scotti Records, who I feel were the main culprits to not promote enough, especially AFTER Eye album.

Meanwhile the MOST interesting part of JJ's entrance, was that the tunes from VS were made with Dave in mind (not JJ nor anyone else BUT Dave) and VS fit right in at the right time.The tunes were more urgent and rather more uplifting. I think Dave (if not of vocals probs) would have done just as well.

Although, lets put things into prespective. Scotti Bros were NOT good promoters. CITG arguably could have done better and VS EVEN more so!

MR

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