New JJ Interview

[Slander]

OK, so you're opinion is he made it all up I can live with that just don't come back with "well he should he have his own money as a solo guy anyway!!"



Joe Vana, totally unrelated issue were you ever/would you ever:

under consideration for/consider the job of Survivor lead singer?

My opinion is that his story doesn't make sense which I think I have made clear for a variety of reasons on ONE TOO MANY POSTS I've made on the topic. It doesn't make sense so therefore I find it hard to believe it went down the way JJ describes it. In unrelated topic I will say it again it's time for JJ to be accountable for his own career and quit bitching.

[Red13JoePa]

Hold up, HOLD up

Your last sentance, yet again, swereves into the EvenIfFrankieScrewedHimIt'sOK territory.


So is it safe to say your opinion on the matter is that JJ's lying but in case he's not then Ha Ha!!!!

[Joe Vana]

OK, so you're opinion is he made it all up I can live with that just don't come back with "well he should he have his own money as a solo guy anyway!!"



Joe Vana, totally unrelated issue were you ever/would you ever:

under consideration for/consider the job of Survivor lead singer?

Hey Red....

I completely do not think Jamo made it all up...He believes his side I am sure....and that is cool....FREE SPEECH....I just wanted to get the publishing, royalties info out there....

Jamo is free to say what ever he wants....and so am I...and you...Slander anybody....

All good my man....

JV

[Slander]

Hold up, HOLD up

Your last sentance, yet again, swereves into the EvenIfFrankieScrewedHimIt'sOK territory.


So is it safe to say your opinion on the matter is that JJ's lying but in case he's not then Ha Ha!!!!

Nope. I'm saying JJ needs to be responsible for JJ. That's what I'm saying. I can't make it any more clearer. It also gets real old hearing others make excuses for him. He needs to look at himself and quit blaming Frankie Sullivan for his failings. THAT IS THE ISSUE.

[axecrew]

Slander.......your quote of my earlier post(To lazy to go back and quote it)......here's your answer.....my comparision of JJ with a battred woman is simply to answer your question of why JJ didn't leave earlier. You said "If things were so bad why didn't he leave earlier." My answer was that you could apply the same logic to woman. How many times have you read in the paper or seen on the news about a woman who has been getting the shit beaten out of her for years but yet she stays? She stays because her husband tells her he'll change and it won't happen again and she believes him. Now take that into account with JJ....maybe he didn't leave because he was told that things would be different this time around and finally got fed up with it all and left after finishing his commitment to the album.

Now pay close attention Slander.....I don't think that JJ is perfect in this situation,but I also think that you have misread part of his interview,it's my opinion that he MAXED out his credit cards while recording the album and or doing shows. If you look he mentions that he spent the money on flights and hotels,both of which he would've had to do while playing or recording and he contends that FS never reimbursed him for those expenses,which he is fully entitled to.

Now having said that...why is it that all the bitching etc from ex-band members always settles around FS? Do you honestly think that they are ALL wrong and FS is the only one who's above reproach?????? Even if there's the slightest amount of truth to what they say, that alone should be troubling as all hell. They all individually tell the same basic story.

Everytime someone comes on here with a valid point.....you Chris....I mean Slander come back with a diversionary tatic to try to change the focus of the conversation away from FS.
You want to blame JJ for all his troubles,but guess what...you ever think that maybe he was screwed by his management team? When it all comes down to it, that is his fault for hiring poor managemant,but let me tell you .....if that's the case then he's in damn good company, of bands and singers much greater than Survivor,who went down that road. I mean shit a publisher or management team who didn't try to or screw their artist over at one point or another,now that's an original thought.

[Slander]

Slander.......your quote of my earlier post(To lazy to go back and quote it)......here's your answer.....my comparision of JJ with a battred woman is simply to answer your question of why JJ didn't leave earlier. You said "If things were so bad why didn't he leave earlier." My answer was that you could apply the same logic to woman. How many times have you read in the paper or seen on the news about a woman who has been getting the shit beaten out of her for years but yet she stays? She stays because her husband tells her he'll change and it won't happen again and she believes him. Now take that into account with JJ....maybe he didn't leave because he was told that things would be different this time around and finally got fed up with it all and left after finishing his commitment to the album.

Now pay close attention Slander.....I don't think that JJ is perfect in this situation,but I also think that you have misread part of his interview,it's my opinion that he MAXED out his credit cards while recording the album and or doing shows. If you look he mentions that he spent the money on flights and hotels,both of which he would've had to do while playing or recording and he contends that FS never reimbursed him for those expenses,which he is fully entitled to.

Now having said that...why is it that all the bitching etc from ex-band members always settles around FS? Do you honestly think that they are ALL wrong and FS is the only one who's above reproach?????? Even if there's the slightest amount of truth to what they say, that alone should be troubling as all hell. They all individually tell the same basic story.

Everytime someone comes on here with a valid point.....you Chris....I mean Slander come back with a diversionary tatic to try to change the focus of the conversation away from FS.
You want to blame JJ for all his troubles,but guess what...you ever think that maybe he was screwed by his management team? When it all comes down to it, that is his fault for hiring poor managemant,but let me tell you .....if that's the case then he's in damn good company, of bands and singers much greater than Survivor,who went down that road. I mean shit a publisher or management team who didn't try to or screw their artist over at one point or another,now that's an original thought.

Hey Axe,

I don't think I have tried to divert attention at all away from FS. He's not perfect. My issue with JJ is the personal attacks. I thought they were unprofessional. I think they also cut the credibility of his claims. I for one would like to hear someone else besides me on this board talk about JJ taking accountability for his own career. Is it FS fault that things haven't worked out perfectly for him? When all else fails I guess you have to point fingers. I think it's a damn shame myself. JJ is a great vocalist. I think he's a nice man and his comments were beneath him. I'm kind of tired of talking about it. I think it's time to move on and forgive. I hope the JP/JJ collaboration is great. Maybe next time JJ can save his creativity for the studio instead of the gossiip column.

[MarcelJordan]

Once again, before this interview, one year before even, FS said he was NOT having a great time being alone on a solo. Its too bad so many think otherwise.

Hey MJ - what did Frankie say? Not sure I understand your post. If he wasn't having a great time, why do a 20+ minute solo?

I was getting all kinds of complaints from people about seeing the band live and the length of the solo.

I am just pointing what Frankie told the crowd during August 2006. That it was "horrible" alone on stage. "They left me to it all alone". Do you have the recording of the show? If so, check it out.

[Slander]

Slander.......your quote of my earlier post(To lazy to go back and quote it)......here's your answer.....my comparision of JJ with a battred woman is simply to answer your question of why JJ didn't leave earlier. You said "If things were so bad why didn't he leave earlier." My answer was that you could apply the same logic to woman. How many times have you read in the paper or seen on the news about a woman who has been getting the shit beaten out of her for years but yet she stays? She stays because her husband tells her he'll change and it won't happen again and she believes him. Now take that into account with JJ....maybe he didn't leave because he was told that things would be different this time around and finally got fed up with it all and left after finishing his commitment to the album.

I'm sorry most battered women stay because they have children and they don't have the financial ability to leave. Look at the stats! It's very sad. To compare JJ this kind of situation is insensitive. Having said that if I worked for an employer who wasn't paying me I would leave! Wouldn't you? And don't give me this commitment garbage. No one works for free. Like I said no one wants to make JJ accountable for his own actions. No one held a gun to his head. No one forced him to stay in the band from 2000-2006. He's considered an aor legend so I'm sure he had other options on the table. Hell he should have been loaded from the royalties of the Baywatch Theme. No instead we want to blame Frankie Sullivan.

[Slander]

Once again, before this interview, one year before even, FS said he was NOT having a great time being alone on a solo. Its too bad so many think otherwise.

Hey MJ - what did Frankie say? Not sure I understand your post. If he wasn't having a great time, why do a 20+ minute solo?

I was getting all kinds of complaints from people about seeing the band live and the length of the solo.

I am just pointing what Frankie told the crowd during August 2006. That it was "horrible" alone on stage. "They left me to it all alone". Do you have the recording of the show? If so, check it out.

Marcel,

I've been on stage for that solo and I don't remember it being 20 minutes long. Once again the over the top hyperbole on the board cuts to the credibility of the accuser. In this case being JJ. My understanding for the solo was so that JJ could rest his voice or himself. Or am I wrong here?

[MarcelJordan]

Once again, before this interview, one year before even, FS said he was NOT having a great time being alone on a solo. Its too bad so many think otherwise.

Hey MJ - what did Frankie say? Not sure I understand your post. If he wasn't having a great time, why do a 20+ minute solo?

I was getting all kinds of complaints from people about seeing the band live and the length of the solo.

I am just pointing what Frankie told the crowd during August 2006. That it was "horrible" alone on stage. "They left me to it all alone". Do you have the recording of the show? If so, check it out.

Marcel,

I've been on stage for that solo and I don't remember it being 20 minutes long. Once again the over the top hyperbole on the board cuts to the credibility of the accuser. In this case being JJ. My understanding for the solo was so that JJ could rest his voice or himself. Or am I wrong here?

I did hear that it WAS to rest JJ's vocals. Although Im fuzzy on who said that, whether it was a band member or not. I believe its the former but don't take my word for it.

[RockInDetroit]

Once again, before this interview, one year before even, FS said he was NOT having a great time being alone on a solo. Its too bad so many think otherwise.

Hey MJ - what did Frankie say? Not sure I understand your post. If he wasn't having a great time, why do a 20+ minute solo?

I was getting all kinds of complaints from people about seeing the band live and the length of the solo.

I am just pointing what Frankie told the crowd during August 2006. That it was "horrible" alone on stage. "They left me to it all alone". Do you have the recording of the show? If so, check it out.

You seriously think that the guitar solo wasn't Frankie's idea? Come on Marcel!

[MarcelJordan]

Once again, before this interview, one year before even, FS said he was NOT having a great time being alone on a solo. Its too bad so many think otherwise.

Hey MJ - what did Frankie say? Not sure I understand your post. If he wasn't having a great time, why do a 20+ minute solo?

I was getting all kinds of complaints from people about seeing the band live and the length of the solo.

I am just pointing what Frankie told the crowd during August 2006. That it was "horrible" alone on stage. "They left me to it all alone". Do you have the recording of the show? If so, check it out.

You seriously think that the guitar solo wasn't Frankie's idea? Come on Marcel!

You do know people do request things like this. Even Grove did a solo. Let's now MOVE ON.

[Journey/Survivor]

Once again, before this interview, one year before even, FS said he was NOT having a great time being alone on a solo. Its too bad so many think otherwise.

Hey MJ - what did Frankie say? Not sure I understand your post. If he wasn't having a great time, why do a 20+ minute solo?

I was getting all kinds of complaints from people about seeing the band live and the length of the solo.

I am just pointing what Frankie told the crowd during August 2006. That it was "horrible" alone on stage. "They left me to it all alone". Do you have the recording of the show? If so, check it out.

You seriously think that the guitar solo wasn't Frankie's idea? Come on Marcel!

You do know people do request things like this. Even Grove did a solo. Let's now MOVE ON.

For the last few years I think Grove plays a keyboard solo at almost every show.

I wish that they would start having Marc do a drum solo every show too! He's way too damn of a great drummer to not showcase his talent!

When ever I go to a Survivor or Journey show one of my favorite things about the shows is the solos.

Now, I'll say this, I too get pissed off at how few songs Survivor play at an average show! IMO they should be playing no less than 12 songs per show when they headline.

As I've said, I'm a guitarist, and Frankie is one of my absolute favorite guitarists. I love his solos. And I think that it's insane for anyone to complain about him playing a 5 minute solo in each show. I will admit that I have heard people at the shows complain about the extra, extra long solos.

As long as Survivor did always play 12 songs per show, I could listen to Frankie play an hour long solo and love every minute of it. But I realize that unless someones really into guitar playing that the average person will get board by solos that go over 5 minutes or so, no matter who is playing the solo.

[MarcelJordan]

Marc solo? Man, not heard of him doing it. Would love to hear it! How about a drum and guitar duel? You know the guitar and drums that did EOTT ?

Lets not forget the most successful Survivor was after Marc was brought in. Tks to FS.

[ForceInfinity]

I complain about FS's guitar skills, I climb Half Dome, and Mt Whitney, and Longs Peak. That would qualify me as insane. Guilty as charged....

*Surrenders self to an eternity of punishment for his insane ways*

[Slander]

I complain about FS's guitar skills

Knock yourself out.

[Slander]

Marc solo? Man, not heard of him doing it. Would love to hear it! How about a drum and guitar duel? You know the guitar and drums that did EOTT ?

Lets not forget the most successful Survivor was after Marc was brought in. Tks to FS.

When I saw Survivor in the 80's I think Marc did them. Then again everyone did solos in the 80's

[Slander]

When ever I go to a Survivor or Journey show one of my favorite things about the shows is the solos.

Now, I'll say this, I too get pissed off at how few songs Survivor play at an average show! IMO they should be playing no less than 12 songs per show when they headline.

As I've said, I'm a guitarist, and Frankie is one of my absolute favorite guitarists. I love his solos. And I think that it's insane for anyone to complain about him playing a 5 minute solo in each show.

Chris Groves keyboard solo is great. Does anyone know his background? The last time I saw Survivor FS did a short solo that was great. It was bluesy. I'd love to see him do Caught In The Game once again

[Slander]

I complain about FS's guitar skills, I climb Half Dome, and Mt Whitney, and Longs Peak. That would qualify me as insane. Guilty as charged....

*Surrenders self to an eternity of punishment for his insane ways*

You complain about his skills? People may not like him but his abilities I don't think are an issue for discussion.

[Red13JoePa]

Chris Groves keyboard solo is great. Does anyone know his background?

...I'm thinking we can rule out rocket science.

[Slander]

Chris Groves keyboard solo is great. Does anyone know his background?

...I'm thinking we can rule out rocket science.

Thanks for the input red. I also think taxidermy is out as well. I just wanted to know if he is classically trained. His solo was GREAT!

[Joe Vana]

Chris Groves keyboard solo is great. Does anyone know his background?

...I'm thinking we can rule out rocket science.

I think he went the collegiate route...and I also believe he is a classically trained pianest (sp)....

As far as rockets I think he may just stick to bottle rockets....

JV

[Slander]

Chris Groves keyboard solo is great. Does anyone know his background?

...I'm thinking we can rule out rocket science.

I think he went the collegiate route...and I also believe he is a classically trained pianest (sp)....

As far as rockets I think he may just stick to bottle rockets....

JV

JV,

Where did Peterik learn to play keys? He's pretty darn talented at it as well.

[axecrew]

Once again, before this interview, one year before even, FS said he was NOT having a great time being alone on a solo. Its too bad so many think otherwise.

Hey MJ - what did Frankie say? Not sure I understand your post. If he wasn't having a great time, why do a 20+ minute solo?

I was getting all kinds of complaints from people about seeing the band live and the length of the solo.

I am just pointing what Frankie told the crowd during August 2006. That it was "horrible" alone on stage. "They left me to it all alone". Do you have the recording of the show? If so, check it out.

Marcel,

I've been on stage for that solo and I don't remember it being 20 minutes long. Once again the over the top hyperbole on the board cuts to the credibility of the accuser. In this case being JJ. My understanding for the solo was so that JJ could rest his voice or himself. Or am I wrong here?

How is it that you've been on stage for that solo???? I thought you were just a fan/journalist????? I didn't know that bands let ordinary fans on stage with them.

[Slander]

Once again, before this interview, one year before even, FS said he was NOT having a great time being alone on a solo. Its too bad so many think otherwise.

Hey MJ - what did Frankie say? Not sure I understand your post. If he wasn't having a great time, why do a 20+ minute solo?

I was getting all kinds of complaints from people about seeing the band live and the length of the solo.

I am just pointing what Frankie told the crowd during August 2006. That it was "horrible" alone on stage. "They left me to it all alone". Do you have the recording of the show? If so, check it out.

Marcel,

I've been on stage for that solo and I don't remember it being 20 minutes long. Once again the over the top hyperbole on the board cuts to the credibility of the accuser. In this case being JJ. My understanding for the solo was so that JJ could rest his voice or himself. Or am I wrong here?

How is it that you've been on stage for that solo???? I thought you were just a fan/journalist????? I didn't know that bands let ordinary fans on stage with them.

I was doing a story. I also saw Loverboy and Eddie Money from the same vantage point. What's wrong with that? I wasn't alone either. I was stage right. Small venue.

[Joe Vana]

Chris Groves keyboard solo is great. Does anyone know his background?

...I'm thinking we can rule out rocket science.

I think he went the collegiate route...and I also believe he is a classically trained pianest (sp)....

As far as rockets I think he may just stick to bottle rockets....

JV

JV,

Where did Peterik learn to play keys? He's pretty darn talented at it as well.

JP is pretty much self taught I believe....he writes VERY VERY VERY well on keys.....but live and in studio he doesn't play much....I never think of JP as a keyboardist, I guess I might be spoiled with the monsters I have played, written and recorded with, but when I think of JP playing keys I think of him sitting at home behind the Ebach in his living room writing as we did many many times....Mecca was Jimmy Nichols and now Ed Tossing.....Pride of Lions is Christian Cullen...Ides of march is Scott May....and remember Peter Wolf played an ENOURMOUS amount of keys for Survivor in the studio.....he was uncredited but he was the man....I think he did most of the studio keys work on Vital Signs and WSC....I will see Frankie tonight or tomorrow and will ask again...but I am pretty sure in studio they had other guys on keys a good amount.....that is not to diminsh his stellar writing....he had to come up with the parts first before anybody could play them....I will ask again in more specifics....

JV

[Slander]

Chris Groves keyboard solo is great. Does anyone know his background?

...I'm thinking we can rule out rocket science.

I think he went the collegiate route...and I also believe he is a classically trained pianest (sp)....

As far as rockets I think he may just stick to bottle rockets....

JV

JV,

Where did Peterik learn to play keys? He's pretty darn talented at it as well.

JP is pretty much self taught I believe....he writes VERY VERY VERY well on keys.....but live and in studio he doesn't play much....I never think of JP as a keyboardist, I guess I might be spoiled with the monsters I have played, written and recorded with, but when I think of JP playing keys I think of him sitting at home behind the Ebach in his living room writing as we did many many times....Mecca was Jimmy Nichols and now Ed Tossing.....Pride of Lions is Christian Cullen...Ides of march is Scott May....and remember Peter Wolf played an ENOURMOUS amount of keys for Survivor in the studio.....he was uncredited but he was the man....I think he did most of the studio keys work on Vital Signs and WSC....I will see Frankie tonight or tomorrow and will ask again...but I am pretty sure in studio they had other guys on keys a good amount.....that is not to diminsh his stellar writing....he had to come up with the parts first before anybody could play them....I will ask again in more specifics....

JV

JV,

Thanks for sharing man! I love this stuff. Love the history. It makes me listen to the albums in a different way. I wish JP and FS would do a an ULTIMATE ALBUMS on the making of Vital Signs Or Tiger. I don't see why VH-I wouldn't go for it.

[Joe Vana]

Chris Groves keyboard solo is great. Does anyone know his background?

...I'm thinking we can rule out rocket science.

I think he went the collegiate route...and I also believe he is a classically trained pianest (sp)....

As far as rockets I think he may just stick to bottle rockets....

JV

JV,

Where did Peterik learn to play keys? He's pretty darn talented at it as well.

JP is pretty much self taught I believe....he writes VERY VERY VERY well on keys.....but live and in studio he doesn't play much....I never think of JP as a keyboardist, I guess I might be spoiled with the monsters I have played, written and recorded with, but when I think of JP playing keys I think of him sitting at home behind the Ebach in his living room writing as we did many many times....Mecca was Jimmy Nichols and now Ed Tossing.....Pride of Lions is Christian Cullen...Ides of march is Scott May....and remember Peter Wolf played an ENOURMOUS amount of keys for Survivor in the studio.....he was uncredited but he was the man....I think he did most of the studio keys work on Vital Signs and WSC....I will see Frankie tonight or tomorrow and will ask again...but I am pretty sure in studio they had other guys on keys a good amount.....that is not to diminsh his stellar writing....he had to come up with the parts first before anybody could play them....I will ask again in more specifics....

JV

JV,

Thanks for sharing man! I love this stuff. Love the history. It makes me listen to the albums in a different way. I wish JP and FS would do a an ULTIMATE ALBUMS on the making of Vital Signs Or Tiger. I don't see why VH-I wouldn't go for it.

Because the interest would not be there...WE LOVE the band....but in the scheme of the past 30 years in the music business they are not near the top of the list worldwide...On the other hand Styx was a great choice as they were immense....platinum albums are great...but they tend to do stories on the multi platinum artists (4x plus).....

I read some earlier posts about FS's playing...well let me say this...I have stood on stage and sung with Lukather ( the greatest single guitarist to play a note in the last 25 years), and watched him shred his ass off...and I have been fortunate to have worked with some of the best....FS is one of the top ten as rhythm players go....amazing time, feel....I believe Ron Nevison stated that was the reason why Frankie was used as a ghost player on Heart stuff....he mults himself better than almost any rhythm guitar player in the world....solo's, well those are opinion so I will stay away from that (I love his 2 to 3 minute solos) but as a rhythm player he is absolutely amazing...and only a NON player would say anything otherwise....all the cat's I know, and they are some of the best (the 80's guitar world hahahah) respect the Hell out of his playing....

He truly is a gifted player....IMHO of course....

JV

[Slander]

He truly is a gifted player....IMHO of course....
JV

Any chance he will ever finish a blues album?

[Journey/Survivor]

I complain about FS's guitar skills, I climb Half Dome, and Mt Whitney, and Longs Peak. That would qualify me as insane. Guilty as charged....

*Surrenders self to an eternity of punishment for his insane ways*

I hope you didn't think that I was directing my "insane" comment at you personally? I wasn't. I don't have anything against you!

I just think that it's silly for ANYONE to complain about Sullivan playing a 5 minute solo in concert. IMO any guitarist worth a damn should be playing a live solo at every show. I understand that there are people who didn't like it when he was playing 15 to 20 minute solos. But I think it's kind of cheating [/b]SOME fans when a great guitarist doesn't play a live solo for at least a few minutes.