Survivor Tour 2012

[Joe Vana]

Isn't it right that Jim didn't get the name Survivor like 15 years ago, whenever it was, 'cause he was through with the band? If he felt like doing something out of respect for the name or the legacy or whatever could he try and get the name from Frankie and be successful?

He would NOT be successful...he would need to come back....

[Joe Vana]

Isn't it right that Jim didn't get the name Survivor like 15 years ago, whenever it was, 'cause he was through with the band? If he felt like doing something out of respect for the name or the legacy or whatever could he try and get the name from Frankie and be successful?

Here we go again. Let me be clear. The recent clips of the band sucked! However, I thought the recent clips of the Las Vegas show that were professionally done sounded pretty good. Having said that, JP alone would not be Survivor. Frankie Sullivan has and always will be a critical part of the Survivor sound.

I used to say that too.......no more....

[RyanHippFTW]

Does anyone know of the last time Frankie and Jim have communicated with each other? Also, Joe, didn't you say you heard about Jim and Jimi having some issues recently?

[Slander]

Isn't it right that Jim didn't get the name Survivor like 15 years ago, whenever it was, 'cause he was through with the band? If he felt like doing something out of respect for the name or the legacy or whatever could he try and get the name from Frankie and be successful?

Here we go again. Let me be clear. The recent clips of the band sucked! However, I thought the recent clips of the Las Vegas show that were professionally done sounded pretty good. Having said that, JP alone would not be Survivor. Frankie Sullivan has and always will be a critical part of the Survivor sound.

I used to say that too.......no more....

I know you did JV. No one has been as loyal to this band as you. You always set the record straight. Having said that, can we really base JJ's and FS current state based on a set of clips off youtube?

[Joe Vana]

Does anyone know of the last time Frankie and Jim have communicated with each other? Also, Joe, didn't you say you heard about Jim and Jimi having some issues recently?

I don't believe I said that on here....

[Joe Vana]

Isn't it right that Jim didn't get the name Survivor like 15 years ago, whenever it was, 'cause he was through with the band? If he felt like doing something out of respect for the name or the legacy or whatever could he try and get the name from Frankie and be successful?

Here we go again. Let me be clear. The recent clips of the band sucked! However, I thought the recent clips of the Las Vegas show that were professionally done sounded pretty good. Having said that, JP alone would not be Survivor. Frankie Sullivan has and always will be a critical part of the Survivor sound.

I used to say that too.......no more....

I know you did JV. No one has been as loyal to this band as you. You always set the record straight. Having said that, can we really base JJ's and FS current state based on a set of clips off youtube?

This is not about 1 set of you tubes....this is the final stone rolling downhill

[bulldog]

Hey i am not seeing Frankie Sullivan cds being released ! The name and the man getting record deals is Jimi Jamison !

Here is my main issue. I never want to hear Jimi sing Somewhere In America ,Rocking Into The Night , Take You On A Saturday Or Summer Nights ! These songs do not fit his voice period. These are not songs that Jimi can bring to life with his voice as they are written in a lower vocal range and I think his lower range isn't his strong point .
Most of the audience doesn't know these tunes that go to a free fair concert !

Dave Bickler had a unique voice and had a great sound for what was written and he sang. Jimi's vocals are more instant , intense and powerful and that is what he does best.

It just seems to me with Frontiers and other projects Jimi has done recently there seems to have been a buzz about his performance. I feel this is a step in the wrong direction especially with new product coming out again. His name seemed to be something . He was becoming a successful artist at least in Europe.

They need to play more Vital Signs and Too Hot To Sleep material .

[Slander]

Hey i am not seeing Frankie Sullivan cds being released ! The name and the man getting record deals is Jimi Jamison !

Here is my main issue. I never want to hear Jimi sing Somewhere In America ,Rocking Into The Night , Take You On A Saturday Or Summer Nights ! These songs do not fit his voice period. These are not songs that Jimi can bring to life with his voice as they are written in a lower vocal range and I think his lower range isn't his strong point .
Most of the audience doesn't know these tunes that go to a free fair concert !

Dave Bickler had a unique voice and had a great sound for what was written and he sang. Jimi's vocals are more instant , intense and powerful and that is what he does best.

It just seems to me with Frontiers and other projects Jimi has done recently there seems to have been a buzz about his performance. I feel this is a step in the wrong direction especially with new product coming out again. His name seemed to be something . He was becoming a successful artist at least in Europe.

They need to play more Vital Signs and Too Hot To Sleep material .

Great I don't ever want to hear Jamison singing Tiger because frankly I don't like it! It was written with Bickler in mind. See how childish this can get?

[mrsromek]

As I believe I mentioned in my post (after talking with the guy who is related to Frankie (his sister is married to Frankie's brother)-hell JV probably knows who I am talking about (nice, older gentleman) said that Frankie and Jim have not spoken in YEARS. To me, that sounds like more than 3-4, at least.

And to the comment about them playing 15/365....I agree. They have to receive offers to do town fests, right? Or, do some in the band feel above that? I don't know, so I can't really comment on that.

[RyanHippFTW]

I don't believe I said that on here....

This was the thing...

JP said last night and I quote "I hear Jimi Jamison is back in Survivor"....I guess what I heard about he and JJ is right...not good....

[Joe Vana]

I don't believe I said that on here....

This was the thing...

JP said last night and I quote "I hear Jimi Jamison is back in Survivor"....I guess what I heard about he and JJ is right...not good....

You can draw from that whatever you want....it really doesn't matter....JJ is in "Survivor" or whatever it is....and JP is not....by his choice...

Now...I have read on here many many many times how JJ is a big artist in Europe....I will say this...he rejoined Survivor IMHO because PER SHOW he does better with one Survivor Fest show at about 15 grand split up (probably mostly for he and FS) then at 3 or 4 solo shows over there for not a ton of people....a game of numbers...I hope JJ does great, it is good to see a guy work hard to regain his voice and it work...

JJ is a beast, great fucking singer....next time FS tells him they are doing Somewhere in America he should tell FS to sing it...it is way too high (the tessatura) of a tune and NOT in his wheelhouse...the dude is a badass, but that tune is not meant for him, it truly was a Dave tune...

This is my last post up here....I am going back down to the Mecca forum, I have nothing more to add in this forum....JV

[bomes]

Summer Nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykz18u_m ... ature=plcp

[bomes]

I can't hold back, Eye of the tiger, High on you, Desperate dreams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNdTwToJ ... ature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRpubEcW ... ature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibLAfMI1 ... ature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyF-1aFV ... ature=plcp

[Starrider]

Summer Nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykz18u_m ... ature=plcp

Ouch.

This is a video of the same song. It was apparently taken using better equipment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdoCWtCW6I&feature=related

[Ehwmatt]

Summer Nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykz18u_m ... ature=plcp

Ouch.

This is a video of the same song. It was apparently taken using better equipment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdoCWtCW6I&feature=related

Every video I watch is just stunningly awful. I know it's gonna be awful when I click on it, but I just can't help myself.

[Mikele]

can you guys tell me what is it that's terribly wrong in those vids? I'm quite confused honestly

[mrsromek]

Dang! I wish I had that on CD....from a collecting perspective.

And, damn......JJ gets $15K a show? They were not even on for an hour and a half. That's still a comfortable living after Uncle Sam gets his cut.

[Ehwmatt]

can you guys tell me what is it that's terribly wrong in those vids? I'm quite confused honestly

If you need help understanding that you won't understand an explanation lol. Heres a few buzzwords though: bad timing, overplaying, and horrifying harmony vocals. But I could go on and on.

[Joe Vana]

Dang! I wish I had that on CD....from a collecting perspective.

And, damn......JJ gets $15K a show? They were not even on for an hour and a half. That's still a comfortable living after Uncle Sam gets his cut.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....read it again.....The BAND gets about 15k a show for festivals out here....I have heard as much as 17,500....JJ does NOT get that amout...that is what the BAND charges.....

or did...maybe less now....do not know......JV

[Joe Vana]

can you guys tell me what is it that's terribly wrong in those vids? I'm quite confused honestly

If you need help understanding that you won't understand an explanation lol. Heres a few buzzwords though: bad timing, overplaying, and horrifying harmony vocals. But I could go on and on.

A survivor show - Rare - and free
A copy of Reach - 5 bucks used
Ehwmatt's post - Priceless

hahahahahaahahahah

[Joe Vana]

Summer Nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykz18u_m ... ature=plcp

Ouch.

This is a video of the same song. It was apparently taken using better equipment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdoCWtCW6I&feature=related

Every video I watch is just stunningly awful. I know it's gonna be awful when I click on it, but I just can't help myself.

I just watched the Summer nights Video.....WTF.....the keyboard should maybe give the original a listen maybe???? And it sounds like FS's guitar is completely off....like the delay has gone crazy...or maybe he could not hear anybody.....but the parts sound disjointed....and JJ with the crazy joke at the beginning....ugh....

Hey, at least Mark sounds good!!!!

This almost sounds like a "shreds" video....

Where did my favorite band go??????????

Who took them hostage?????

OMG.....

[Ehwmatt]

Summer Nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykz18u_m ... ature=plcp

Ouch.

This is a video of the same song. It was apparently taken using better equipment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdoCWtCW6I&feature=related

Every video I watch is just stunningly awful. I know it's gonna be awful when I click on it, but I just can't help myself.

I just watched the Summer nights Video.....WTF.....the keyboard should maybe give the original a listen maybe???? And it sounds like FS's guitar is completely off....like the delay has gone crazy...or maybe he could not hear anybody.....but the parts sound disjointed....and JJ with the crazy joke at the beginning....ugh....

Hey, at least Mark sounds good!!!!

This almost sounds like a "shreds" video....

Where did my favorite band go??????????

Who took them hostage?????

OMG.....

I'm hoping you can tell me what could possibly be happening. You're a professional and you've gigged in some legitimate places; I haven't played anywhere besides a few tiny ass bars.

I'm not sure what is up with Frankie's delay. It sounds like a kid who just got his first delay and doesn't realize the delay tempo needs to match the band's. I really wish I knew. Maybe he's not feeding the delay through the FX loop on his amp? Who knows. That shouldn't matter for the clean parts anyway (and those are the worst parts vis-a-vis the mistimed delay), but I'm digging for excuses for him. And since when did Frankie use such a "wet" sound to begin with? I always thought he used a much drier and classic sound than many of his peers (e.g., Schon). Moreover, where is the intro solo in Summer Nights? I can't even hear what Frankie's playing there, but it sure as shit isn't a lead.

And the keyboard player is just terrible for a pro band. Sure, he might ("might" being the operative word, because I know plenty of casual fans who would notice such awful playing) impress in the local watering hole where people are too drunk to notice the choppy timing and missed notes, but not in a live professional band setting. Most tribute bands I see are WAY more professional.

About the only possible explanation for this train wreck of a show would be like you said: maybe the stage monitors were terrible and they simply couldn't hear anything. But I don't buy that. Bad monitors don't give you terrible guitar tone and make you play horrible licks over parts that don't need guitar fills.

[jaxmanjoe]

I've got to tell you, hearing them play on these few videos being posted is getting really depressing. They sound horrible, plain and simple. If you take out the vocals (only because I know the lyrics) I'm not sure I could tell you what half these songs are supposed to be because FS doesn't seem to remember how to play any of his songs. It's like he's giving a big FU to all the fans who pay good money to come out and hear him. He's saying, "I know you love these songs so we'll do everything in our power to make them unrecognizable to you.

I wouldnt' go see them live now if they were playing in my own backyard. It's too painful to watch...

Joe

[Starrider]

Moreover, where is the intro solo in Summer Nights? I can't even hear what Frankie's playing there, but it sure as shit isn't a lead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdoCWtC ... re=related

It looked to me like Frankie was having guitar issues. If you look at the video I posted (the one with better quality), you can tell he switched guitars during the song. Pretty much everyone in the band was looking at him while this was going on. The drummer was looking over his kit, Jimi had walked over there, and Walter kept looking over while he was playing the intro. For the first minute or so of the video, FS has one guitar, then around 1:02, after the body of the song has started, he is pulling the strap off over his head to ditch that guitar, and then around 1:15, he is getting ready to play a different guitar.

Around 3:00, there is a real WTF moment with the vocals.

Here is Summer Nights from last August, for comparison purposes. It's got Robin on vocals, but the rest of the band is the same, and I think it sounds a lot better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFhgRowmJ54

You can see that Frankie played the whole song here with the same guitar that seemed to have crapped out on him in the more recent video. Maybe that guitar couldn't take this anymore, either.

[axecrew]

Summer Nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykz18u_m ... ature=plcp

Ouch.

This is a video of the same song. It was apparently taken using better equipment:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAdoCWtCW6I&feature=related

Every video I watch is just stunningly awful. I know it's gonna be awful when I click on it, but I just can't help myself.

I just watched the Summer nights Video.....WTF.....the keyboard should maybe give the original a listen maybe???? And it sounds like FS's guitar is completely off....like the delay has gone crazy...or maybe he could not hear anybody.....but the parts sound disjointed....and JJ with the crazy joke at the beginning....ugh....

Hey, at least Mark sounds good!!!!

This almost sounds like a "shreds" video....

Where did my favorite band go??????????
Who took them hostage?????

OMG.....

Purgatory...forced to play the same 7 songs and endure the same 25 minute guitar solo, in the same 6 or 7 venues for the rest of their lives. The only concession made is they get to rotate pissed off lead singers every 4 or 5 years.

Frankie Sullivan

[DavidWT]

WTF is up with those backing vocals?! Could they not hear themselves? Or can they just not sing? That was painful.

[Mikele]

can you guys tell me what is it that's terribly wrong in those vids? I'm quite confused honestly

If you need help understanding that you won't understand an explanation lol. Heres a few buzzwords though: bad timing, overplaying, and horrifying harmony vocals. But I could go on and on.

LOL
I mean, I can feel they're not in the best of shape, as a band, but except for Summer Nights I think they could get it away (Desperate Dreams was good).
A bad night can happen...

[Slander]

A bad night can happen...

I agree. I think a lot of weight is being put into these youtube clips. Having said that, they do suck! Recently there were clips that were professionally recorded from a show in Vegas that I thought sounded great. Who knows.

[axecrew]

A bad night can happen...

I agree. I think a lot of weight is being put into these youtube clips. Having said that, they do suck! Recently there were clips that were professionally recorded from a show in Vegas that I thought sounded great. Who knows.

I think the key words here are 'professionally recorded". And where did these videos originate? The band's website. Of course they aren't gonna suck, probably been ran through the board from hell and overdubbed big time.


Someone pointed something out to me earlier in the day and it makes a lot of sense...Peterik was the main songwriter in survivor, sullivan was a contributor. When it came to the "signature sound" that slander loves to trot out...with the exception of tiger and can't hold back....every other hit is keyboard based. Don't recall sullivan playing keyboard.

The point that was made to me is this.....both sullivan and peterik have accomplished the same since parting ways in survivor, which is really not a lot songwriting or hits wise....the difference is peterik is out there trying and busting his ass to do something and sullivan is looking for excuses as to why he can't,won't or doesn't want to do anything...point is peterik is writing and recording all the time trying to do it while sullivan spends all of his time finding excuses not to do it...the moon was in the wrong phase.....the sun was too bright.....the sun wasn't bright enough.....the sun came up today....no moon.......had to replug......excuse after excuse after excuse....hell the guy finally admitted after fucking years that he has no intention of doing new material and it was all a lie. And even then he couldn't come out and say it that way...had to add the disclaimer of......"for now".

[Journey/Survivor]

When it came to the "signature sound" that slander loves to trot out...with the exception of tiger and can't hold back....every other hit is keyboard based. Don't recall sullivan playing keyboard.

Burning Heart was also a guitar driven song. But I see your point.