Frankie Sullivan

[Red13JoePa]

7 And Slander isn't Frankie! LOL!

HHHHHHHmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... No WAY!


He's Kevin?

[silvergirl66]

no, kev is eye of.

[7 Wishes]

Once again, I've been assaulted by someone with a limited command of his or her native tongue, the King's English. Jimi WAS terminated by Franklin Sullivan last summer. Incidentally, it was supposed to be a joke. We all know Slander isn't Frankie or Kevin Sullivan. He's actually Frankie and Kevin's mom.

[silvergirl66]

oh geez, whatever LOL!

Hey red! love your new avatar! Bobbie rulz!

[Slander]

Yup. Silver it looks like someone forgot to take his Ritalin! He's acting up. Call his mommy.

[7 Wishes]

Slander, once a grown man starts making "mommy" jokes in response to being overwhelmed by someone with more information and a better grasp of the English language, there is no need to perpetuate or continue to give momentum to the argument. So, Mrs. Sullivan, this is the end of my involement with this particular thread, unless you would like to put forth a counterpoint which is both factual and interesting, and does not devolve and is not disengaging.

[Slander]

7, I spoke to Jimi personally in August. He didn't get fired. You need to get the facts.

[Slander]

Inferesting? 7 are you inventing new words? Pretty pathetic for someone who has a great command of the King's English.

[7 Wishes]

Did it occur to you that Jimi may have not wanted to admit that Franklin Sullivan fired him? It's more than plausible. With respect to your other comment, I'm sorry you don't understand some of the "big boy" words I sometimes utilize. I won't apologize for having a Master's Degree in English, incidentally.

[Eyeof]

Big Man, Big words, BIG Degree...is everyone as impressed as I am?

[Red13JoePa]

Yep.
I like both guys...they just need to hash it out, then we'll all go camping and listen to Ultimates

[silvergirl66]

7, I'd still like to know why you think Slander is Frankie's mom? LOL!

[7 Wishes]

Honestly, I was just busting his balls. I thought the whole thing was very funny and entertaining. Actually, I admire Mrs. Slander Sullivan for the ferocity of her passion for her son's music. The thing that tripped me up was that I was absolutely resonant in my support for Frankie. In fact, Survivor was my favourite band between 1979 and 1981. My contention was merely that JP was, shall we say for diplomacy's sake, "more productive" than FS for the past 20 years or so.

[silvergirl66]

Well, I don't have a master's in English but I know how to spell Favorite I'm FRankie's sister:) Just call me Silver Sullivan. I'm just messin witcha!

[Slander]

7. let's get some things straight here. I know you are all about the facts. First, there is no such word as inferesting. You'd like to think of yourself as William F. Buckley but your vocabulary sounds more like Terrell Buckley. You may have a master's but I'm starting to doubt the institution of higher learning from where you obtained your lofty degree. Secondly, Jimi told me he quit the band. That's from the direct source. Sorry, but that trumps any of your opinions about the Sullivan-Jamison dispute. That is unless you are Jamison or Jimi's mother. Third, as far as JP being a bigger success than Frankie Sullivan that "is" up for debate. I would love to see the sales figures for Reach compared to the new material that JP has put out recently. I bet you Reach outsold POL and his solo efforts. I don't know so I'm not going to make the claim. As far as Frankie's abilities as a song writer. producer compared to Jimi we are not even going to go here. I'll be kind and just say that Jimi is a great vocalist. 7 your argumentation is weak. I would expect better from someone with your intelligence and mastery of the King's English.

[7 Wishes]

Dearest Slander,

I was educated in (among other European nations) England, and I use the proper forms of words, not the lazy, Americanized versions thereof. "Favourite" is the proper spelling for all English-speaking countries; "favorite" is ONLY utillized in the United States. How difficult was it for you to write your little snippet, and how long did it take you to cross-reference the Thesaurus?

My words are falling on deaf ears. I'm not interested in sales figures for "Reach" versus the Pride of Lions' latest effort. What NIG and I were arguing was that JP has been...shall we say, much busier than Frankie in the past two decades.

Anyway, you're getting boring. You're the Froy of the Survivor boards, except Froy can actually construct valid arguments to support his postulations.

[Slander]

Congratulations on your education. We all feel so blessed to have someone of your stature posting on the board. I am amused by your theatrics. Of course you aren't interested in the sales figures because you are not interested in the facts! We all get it. You should know that opinion is not fact. Please tell me they taught you the difference in Great Britain. Where are your facts man? Even with my poor white trash education I can tell the difference between fact and opinion. My friend you need facts to support your argumentation. So far we've got nothing but opinion from you 7. By the way you are way out of your league when it comes to this discussion. I mean way out of your element.

[Slander]

7 in any debate there are "definitiions." We need to define our terms here. When you say JP was busier than Frankie you have to define what you mean by "busier." You need to define your terms man and then we can begin to have an actually debate.

[7 Wishes]

Dude, put down the bong and the Meister Brau! The sales figures of those respective records were only indroduced as a topic with your last post.

Incidentally, I am a lifelong musician; my undergraduate degrees were in Music Theory, Music Composition, and Creative Writing (yes, I earned three degrees). My education bears no relevance to anything and would never have been brought up had it not been for your histrionics. You're playing AA ball; NIG and I are in the majors and we're mowing everyone down.

[Slander]

Once again we are all impressed with your stellar resume. How is unemployment by the way? You may have a great mastery of the King's English as you say but you seriously lack in the skill of argumentation. Where are your facts man? I'm still waiting for you define "busier." 7, once again where are your facts? What and who are you mowing down? Your lawn? JP is fine musician in his own right but the claim that he's somehow been busier is ludicrous no matter what measure you want to use. 7, I think I speak for the whole board when the continuous spouting of your resume seems like a call for attention. You really need to get out of the house.

[7 Wishes]

Jackass, you were the one who started this whole fiasco. I really couldn't care less who thinks what about me, as I will likely never actually meet anyone on this board in person. You became disrespectful almost immediately. This is so frivolous. Let me be the first to tell you that most people think you're basically a moron. So, I am going to acquiesce. You're always right, unquestionably. You were then, you are now, and you always will be. Franklin Sullivan is the greatest guitarist and songwriter to ever grace the world. By comparison, Mozart, Brahms, and Chopin were rank amateurs. He taught Hendrix, Page, and that talentless hack Eddie Van Halen everything they know. He has songwriting credits with jazz musicians, blues artists, alternative bands, and hard rock groups. He has appeared on over 400 records, produced over 250, and owns three independent labels that have changed the very face of music as we know it. Your original assessment of me was correct; I know nothing about music, I never graduated high school, I have no friends, and I haven't held a real job since I worked the grill at Taco Bell in 1992. My opinions are based on pure conjecture and are invalid and completely disputable. You, on the other hand, have clearly demonstrated why you were a Rhodes scholar and why you run ASCAP, the ROR Hall of Fame, and the RIAA. I humbly beg for your forgiveness should you ever decide to grace me with that gift, although I am weak, stupid, and undeserving.

[Slander]

7 sarcasm doesn't become you. I guess if you don't have the facts then create distraction right? You do make a lot of noise. You made the claim that Jimi was fired. I didn't. I'm trying to set the record straight. You made the claim that Frankie hasn't been "busy" whatever the f*** that means. I didn't. I also don't give a damn what you or others think about me. Get your damn facts straight. I never claimed that Frankie Sullivan was the greatest axeman, songwriter, or entertainer of all time. All I ask is for people to give him the credit he is due. For whatever reason people on this board have found that incredibly painstaking. Frankie Sullivan has kept Survivor alive and that should be respected.

[Red13JoePa]

Frankie Sullivan has kept Survivor alive

The band's been on life support since 1989.

We see signs of coming out of the coma in 2006 with Reach, read Frankie's bizarrely fantastic interview given to Andrew (with strongly worded compliments to JJ). An interview we find that was conducted after all the Jamo shit has already gone down again, then read Jamo's interview which is CLEARLY wrought with tension (and in hindsight find out that either had quit or was fired already at the time he gave the interview only to have to play 1 last Survivor show in New England) and wonder in fuck is going on with Frankie raving about "golden throat" when in fact the second death notice of Jimi's tenure in the band already had the ink dry.

That is NOT unduly questioning the direction of the band, of which Sullivan is CLEARLY the undisputed leader and shot-caller. We thought after 16 years of non-existence, sporadic (putting it fucking MILDLY) touring and no new music we were FINALLY going forward in 2006 with Reach. Then we have Jamision leaving and throwing unanswered accusations of financial unfairness in his wake, a $76 million grossing movie Frankie all but guaranteed Survivor was going to be on the soundtrack of never materialize, a new and COMPLETELY different vocalist who many are scratching their heads over, the usual rhetoric about endless touring and recording going on and all the while Robin's sang at a grand total of about a staggering dozen (12) shows in almost a year and laid new vocals on 4 old songs, NONE of which have been officially released yet.

And you're upset that Frankie's not getting enough respect.

[Slander]

Poor Jimi had nothing do with any of those things I'm sure. You guys act like Jimi is some poor defenseless baby seal.

[Red13JoePa]

Well, wait a minute dude. You just said Frankie kept the band "alive" and I showed how that "alive" was merely a vegitative state.

So clearly, you don't don't dispute that, and instead switch to blaming jimi?
What DID Jimi have to do with all the idleness all this time especially from 93-99 when he was out of the band?

No one here disputes you that Frankie calls the shots and makes the wheels go round (however slow that may be) so what blame goes at Jamison's feet?




Now I am revisiting this and want to add: Slander, even though I KNOW he HAS to be Kevin Sullivan ( ) , IS MY FRIEND and I hate going down this road again with him but it needs to be done. We're not gonna feel better about about what went on in mid 06 until we all have our total say on it.
7Wishes is newer and has NOT had that opportunity yet and HE should be heard out too.
As much as Slander's a pain in my ass, he's a huge fan and I can;t take that away, b/c so's Wishes. Both know their Survivor and though I prefer Jamo's voice, I am aware that we have a LARGE base that's more Bickler oriented and I enjoy the hell out of Dave;s voice, too especially as it applies to this band. Hungry Years, with an even badassier sounding Dave is in my top 5 in concrete. As is SESN demo off the FMS unreleased album.
At the end of the day, though, I would add that Frankie is my undisputed founder and fulcrum of the band and trust his faith in Mcauley.
I JUST WANT TO SEE THE PROMISES COME TO FRUITION.


Carry on, all, and hope we find a common ground.

[Lark]

I honestly don't think Slander is Kevin, however, I am 99% sure that he is a band member, just not an original member.

[Red13JoePa]

No, we know he's not Kevin.

[Slander]

No I'm not Kevin or related to the band in any way. I've been fortunate to spend some time with both Jimi and Frankie. I like them both. Very different people. My whole point of this thread was to remind people that Frankie has kept the band alive when he could have split along time ago and done his own thing. I think fans owe Frankie a debt. I also think we are going to get a great album out of the band.

[Red13JoePa]

I also think we are going to get a great album out of the band.

We better, or we're holding you responsible.

[Eyeof]

Okay...enough is enough....I'm sick and tired of this whole deal...Is if Frankie? NO...Is it Jimi? Hell no...Dave? No way....Everyone who knows a darn thing about Surivor knows that Survivor is and allways will be Stephen Ellis...First album...no stephen..it sux...THTS..no stephen...it sux...same for Reach....Stephen Ellis and his bassistic rhymitchatically rhythem (yes big boy words from a super educated man). It's Stephen who held this band together...Did you know that SS really wrote Eye of the Tiger? Yes..he did...and he did it while finding the cure for chicken pox...When Franke was depressed and wanted to give up...it was Stephen who stepped in and suggested Frankie add a 200 min. guitar solo to the show....Stephen fired Dave and Jimi and Dave and Jimi....and inside word is...and I'm an insider...is that he soon will fire Robin and replace him either with Emanual Lewis or himself...Long live Stephen Ellis...he's my clear FAVOREETE (That's the African spelling).....