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[Lark]

Slander, the last time I checked, "we" were not responsible for moving the band forward. That would be the responsibility of FS, the leader of the band. "We" are fans or followers, not the movers and shakers. Hell, if it was up to the majority of people on this board, we would have them touring 300 days a year, putting out new albums every year, endorsing athletic footwear or beer, etc. or just plain being visable and playing more shows!

[Slander]

Slander, the last time I checked, "we" were not responsible for moving the band forward. That would be the responsibility of FS, the leader of the band. "We" are fans or followers, not the movers and shakers. Hell, if it was up to the majority of people on this board, we would have them touring 300 days a year, putting out new albums every year, endorsing athletic footwear or beer, etc. or just plain being visable and playing more shows!

If you're such a big fan how about giving Robin a chance. I also don't see what good it does to bitch constantly about Frankie. What the hell is the damn point?

[Slander]

All roads (or forums) lead back to Jimi..................... Still trying to find where Jimi talked about working hard, promised albums, etc. Can you send me the links where he made those statements. I will gladly admit when I am wrong, just direct me to the interviews, websites, etc where he made those statements. Again, not taking up for Jimi just wondering why you make this comparison.

Lark you need to hold people to the same standard. That's the point.

[Lark]

Slander, please hit the little profile tab at the bottom of this post and then click on "read all posts by Lark" and READ EACH ONE OF THEM CAREFULLY. You will see that I never said one negative word about Robin, I like him, I have spent time with him, he is a fantastic guy and breathes life into an otherwise dying band. Robin has the "wow" factor that has been lacking in Survivor for sometime. I like Jimi, he is a great guy, he has a different stage presence than Robin, effective but different. Robin has personality. FS and personality don't even go together in the same sentance. Oh, but I forgot, FS is a "deep cat", according to you. YOU NEED TO STEP AWAY FROM THE FS PULPIT AND GET DOWN IN THE CONGREGATION WITH THE REST OF US FOLLOWERS AND HOLD FS ACCOUNTABLE FOR HIS BROKEn PROMISES OF A PROMISED LAND OF NEW ALBUMS, TOURS, WEBSITE UPDATES ETC.

Please don't come back with "Jamo hasn't put out any new albums, rocked any stadiums" blah, blah, blah.

As far as holding everone to the same standard, I do, I think it is high time we all hold FS accountable for his promises of new albums, etc. I live in a world of being held accountable to your word or promise, so I hold FS to the same standard as myself. Jimi has not made empty promises, can't hold him accountable to something he has not done. GET IT?

[7 Wishes]

The only person on a vendetta is you, Slander. Your posts are entertaining, and I admire your continued support of "Survivor", but whereas most of us are simply commenting on two decades' worth of "hard work" by Francis, you slam Jimi at every turn, and you ridicule anyone who isn't (God forbid) a McAuley supporter. I'd still call them Survivor if JP was still in the band, but now that it's just Francis and Marc, it's really dubious at best.

[MarcelJordan]

Present Survivor is dubious at best? WTH? Mcauley breathing life into a dying band? There’s a Survivor STILL because of FS. Did Mcauley call Frankie to “save” the band, or FS called Mcauley and asked him would he like to take over the vocals?



I think Slander is right. It IS a vendetta.

But it WON'T work Keep trying

[Lark]

No vendetta. However, when you make references that there is still a Survivor because of FS, it proves what a few of us have been says. Survivor is what it is (positive or negative depends on who you ask) due to FS. They could be so much more, do greater things but for some reason FS has failed to be proactive and capitalize on opportunities presented. Yes, it is due to FS because he calls the shots. When you are a fan and you want your favorite group to be "all they can be" when in real life they are just doing enough to get by, it's disappointing. Makes you question why you still support them, why you still check their website everyday only to see that nothing has changed, why you have to beg, borrow and steal to get a copy of Reach. Then you get your hopes up for news that will blow you away, a new album, stuff like that, and it is disheartening. I still chuckle at the comment someone made that FS has kept the band alive, albeit on Life Support, but still alive.

[MarcelJordan]

No vendetta. However, when you make references that there is still a Survivor because of FS, it proves what a few of us have been says. Survivor is what it is (positive or negative depends on who you ask) due to FS. They could be so much more, do greater things but for some reason FS has failed to be proactive and capitalize on opportunities presented. Yes, it is due to FS because he calls the shots. When you are a fan and you want your favorite group to be "all they can be" when in real life they are just doing enough to get by, it's disappointing. Makes you question why you still support them, why you still check their website everyday only to see that nothing has changed, why you have to beg, borrow and steal to get a copy of Reach. Then you get your hopes up for news that will blow you away, a new album, stuff like that, and it is disheartening. I still chuckle at the comment someone made that FS has kept the band alive, albeit on Life Support, but still alive.

I call it a vendetta because with the complaints spewing, its NOT helping. We have to MOVE ON. Constantly castigating FS for this and that is Extremely tiring Reach was very EASILY available (online). No trouble getting it even though NOONE where I live gives a damn about whether there is still Survivor or not.

Finally what makes you think Survivor is on life support? Have they run out of money? Is the band infighting? Let's not get carried away.

[7 Wishes]

Present Survivor is dubious at best? WTH? Mcauley breathing life into a dying band? There’s a Survivor STILL because of FS. Did Mcauley call Frankie to “save” the band, or FS called Mcauley and asked him would he like to take over the vocals?



I think Slander is right. It IS a vendetta.

But it WON'T work Keep trying

McAuley is breathing mediocrity into a band that has had the proverbial plug pulled by two decades of bullshit from Francis. Why do you think JP quit? It certainly wasn't because of Dave or Jimi. I've asked JP about the situation in the past, and while he won't say much, if you read between the lines, there is a lot of resentment of Francis on JP's part. Jim has been extremely active in recording and touring since he left Survivor. Survivor was IN DIRE STRAITS BECAUSE OF FRANCIS, not in spite of his "efforts". I love the guy's talents, and I'd rather have a "Survivor" than none at all, but Francis is the reason the band is completely irrelevant these days.

Unlike you, MJ, I have been a Survivor maniac since 1979. The first record I ever purchased? That's right...Eye of the Tiger, in Germany, no less. I've been to 15-20 of their shows and have supported them wholeheartedly - emotionally and by buying tickets and the quartennial record. As such, I have a right to criticize the band's direction, poor management, shabby treatment of their dwindling fan base, and lousy personnel decisions.

[Red13JoePa]

The anger and outrage of some, myself admittedly included, in this thread comes from the fact that this is an incredible band and as such there exists the utmost disappointment over everything betweeen 88-05 and what could and SHOULD have been album-wise.

I'm willing to give Survivor the benefit of the doubt with McCauley, knowing that with Frankie, Droubay, and Grovester, the thing is still a major force to be reckoned with MUSICALLY SPEAKING.
However, be mindful of and go back and read the posts when the great Jamo rolled and McCauley came aboard some 10 mos ago. At that time they were already supposedly according to official Survivor press releases that ran on this site among other outlets "in the studio and hard at work" with McCauley on the follow up to Reach. We should see that come to fruition, then by 1st q 08 at the latest.

[MarcelJordan]

Present Survivor is dubious at best? WTH? Mcauley breathing life into a dying band? There’s a Survivor STILL because of FS. Did Mcauley call Frankie to “save” the band, or FS called Mcauley and asked him would he like to take over the vocals?



I think Slander is right. It IS a vendetta.

But it WON'T work Keep trying

McAuley is breathing mediocrity into a band that has had the proverbial plug pulled by two decades of bullshit from Francis. Why do you think JP quit? It certainly wasn't because of Dave or Jimi. I've asked JP about the situation in the past, and while he won't say much, if you read between the lines, there is a lot of resentment of Francis on JP's part. Jim has been extremely active in recording and touring since he left Survivor. Survivor was IN DIRE STRAITS BECAUSE OF FRANCIS, not in spite of his "efforts". I love the guy's talents, and I'd rather have a "Survivor" than none at all, but Francis is the reason the band is completely irrelevant these days.

Unlike you, MJ, I have been a Survivor maniac since 1979. The first record I ever purchased? That's right...Eye of the Tiger, in Germany, no less. I've been to 15-20 of their shows and have supported them wholeheartedly - emotionally and by buying tickets and the quartennial record. As such, I have a right to criticize the band's direction, poor management, shabby treatment of their dwindling fan base, and lousy personnel decisions.

I understand JP and FS despite what has been going on, have respect for each other (again I reiterate that this means they also know that they have to MOVE ON). Secondly they AREN'T irrelevant, as they got exposure on DWTS. If it were so, there is no chance to be on tv, if it was a dire as you think.

Sorry about your experiences though.

[Red13JoePa]

Personally, although he contributed some good material to the FMS sessions that NEED to be finished and released next album, Someone Else's Sleepless Night among the rest, I can live w/ out Peterik.

Given what I've heard about Peterik and Droubay (oil/water?), I'd rather Frankie have the rock-solid Droubay smashing the skins and holding it down.
Chris Grove is covering him Peterik live and his keys on Reach were more subtle and restrained, less melodramatic and very "NOW."

[7 Wishes]

Personally, although he contributed some good material to the FMS sessions that NEED to be finished and released next album, Someone Else's Sleepless Night among the rest, I can live w/ out Peterik.

Given what I've heard about Peterik and Droubay (oil/water?), I'd rather Frankie have the rock-solid Droubay smashing the skins and holding it down.
Chris Grove is covering him Peterik live and his keys on Reach were more subtle and restrained, less melodramatic and very "NOW."

Are you suggesting JP Survivor music was keyboard-oriented? Get out!

[Red13JoePa]

Personally, although he contributed some good material to the FMS sessions that NEED to be finished and released next album, Someone Else's Sleepless Night among the rest, I can live w/ out Peterik.

Given what I've heard about Peterik and Droubay (oil/water?), I'd rather Frankie have the rock-solid Droubay smashing the skins and holding it down.
Chris Grove is covering him Peterik live and his keys on Reach were more subtle and restrained, less melodramatic and very "NOW."

Are you suggesting JP Survivor music was keyboard-oriented? Get out!

LOL, well it doesn't HAVE to be now. Grove can cover the old parts live but use more sparingness now on new recordings.
Plus, I don't think Droubay and Peterik could be in the band together again unless it's a full blown reunion w/ Jamo and/or Dave and Ellis so I'd rather have Marc in there, I enjoy the hell out his playing.

[MarcelJordan]

The anger and outrage of some, myself admittedly included, in this thread comes from the fact that this is an incredible band and as such there exists the utmost disappointment over everything betweeen 88-05 and what could and SHOULD have been album-wise.

I'm willing to give Survivor the benefit of the doubt with McCauley, knowing that with Frankie, Droubay, and Grovester, the thing is still a major force to be reckoned with MUSICALLY SPEAKING.
However, be mindful of and go back and read the posts when the great Jamo rolled and McCauley came aboard some 10 mos ago. At that time they were already supposedly according to official Survivor press releases that ran on this site among other outlets "in the studio and hard at work" with McCauley on the follow up to Reach. We should see that come to fruition, then by 1st q 08 at the latest.

Quite fair this. While I find that the Europe tour sounds quite enticing. Hope they pull that off.

[MarcelJordan]

Personally, although he contributed some good material to the FMS sessions that NEED to be finished and released next album, Someone Else's Sleepless Night among the rest, I can live w/ out Peterik.

Given what I've heard about Peterik and Droubay (oil/water?), I'd rather Frankie have the rock-solid Droubay smashing the skins and holding it down.
Chris Grove is covering him Peterik live and his keys on Reach were more subtle and restrained, less melodramatic and very "NOW."

Are you suggesting JP Survivor music was keyboard-oriented? Get out!

LOL, well it doesn't HAVE to be now. Grove can cover the old parts live but use more sparingness now on new recordings.
Plus, I don't think Droubay and Peterik could be in the band together again unless it's a full blown reunion w/ Jamo and/or Dave and Ellis so I'd rather have Marc in there, I enjoy the hell out his playing.

Again agree here. I too love Marc's playing. I also liked his improvised his new intro to EYE (atleast what I know from the Kansas show last year), a touch of Slander (CITG record) .

Furthermore I think Marc digs Robin and its good for the TOTAL vibe, for the band as a whole. A bigger nucleus has a better feel to it. FS, Marc and Robin.

[jrnyman28]

I also don't know how you guys think we are going to move this band forward by lamenting the past.

Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
Maybe someone relays the feelings of the fans to the band ...allowing them to learn from their "mistakes".

And I personally think it is laughabale that some of these feelings are considered "venomous" by you. Do you not hear the humor in them? Sure there is a hurt truth to what is being said, but it is still a JOKE...

I look forward to a new recording from Survivor. I will listen. I, however, do not particular care for Robin's solo CD so I am wary. I loved Robin in MSG. But so far he has not proved himself to me with Survivor. And until something REAL happens, I am sure people will continue to jab at the band, it's members, it's ex-members and it's history because that is all we have right now...HISTORY.

[MarcelJordan]

Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
Maybe someone relays the feelings of the fans to the band ...allowing them to learn from their "mistakes".

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

[Red13JoePa]

Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
Maybe someone relays the feelings of the fans to the band ...allowing them to learn from their "mistakes".

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think.

You're joking.

Right?

[Slander]

[quote="Lark"]FS and personality don't even go together in the same sentance. /quote]

Having spent time with Frankie he is a personality. Maybe you aren't quite the intellectual he is. Is that it? Rediculous. It would be nice if Jimi could carry a decent conversation. Don't give me this FS doesn't have personality shite.

[Slander]

Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
Maybe someone relays the feelings of the fans to the band ...allowing them to learn from their "mistakes".

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think.

You're joking.

Right?

And Red you guys are joking when you call yourselves fans, right?

[Slander]

[quote="
Please don't come back with "Jamo hasn't put out any new albums, rocked any stadiums" blah, blah, blah.
[/quote]

Why? You guys can't handle actually talking facts. All you guys deal with is opinion. Fact is Jamo's not doing shite.

[Red13JoePa]

Maybe you aren't quite the intellectual he is.

Jesus, Mary and Joseph, I'd love to see if your hammering this post out w/ a straight face.

[7 Wishes]

Yes, Francis is quite the intellectual. His seventeenth book, entitled "A Relative Comparison of Immanuel Kant's Analytic-Synthetic Distinction to Friedrich Nietzsche Theorem of Ontology and the Geneaology of Morals", is due out on Bantam Books in July, and is expected to sky-rocket to the bestseller list, as always.

[Red13JoePa]

Frankie figures out Pi to the 46,000th decimal place during his guitar solos.

[Slander]

Frankie figures out Pi to the 46,000 decimal place during his guitar solos.

He had to play that long because Jamo's voice is shot. Jimi needs his rest you know.

[Slander]

Yes, Francis is quite the intellectual. His seventeenth book, entitled "A Relative Comparison of Immanuel Kant's Analytic-Synthetic Distinction to Friedrich Nietzsche Theorem of Ontology and the Geneaology of Morals", is due out on Bantam Books in July, and is expected to sky-rocket to the bestseller list, as always.

Yes and Jimi's pop-up book is due out any day. Or was that a coloring book?

[7 Wishes]

Jimi's coloring book is color-by-numbers, with nice, thick outlines - he had Francis in mind when he put it together.

[Red13JoePa]

Frankie's so complex that one note in Chevy Nights drove him clinically insane and he THOUGHT his way back out to sanity.

[Slander]

Frankie's so complex that one note in Chevy Nights drove him clinically insane and he THOUGHT his way back out to sanity.

Red you don't know him. Like I said this borders on rediculous. You, 7, Lark need to start on a new forum: THE JIMI BATHHOUSE. This is one big circle jerk you guys got going. Move on!