Might Wanna Rethink That MSG In The Setlist Thing:

[Red13JoePa]

And I don't like Jimi's doing other people's stuff either,so don't try to put me in the Jamison lover catagory....I actually liked the band with both guys in it.

I'm this way, too and like what I've heard thus far of McSurvivor (though I admittedly struggle at times with that). I own nothing of JJ's outside of Survivor.

But with Slander, it's all about Frankie and Jimi. IE: if you don't attend the Sullivan SME Church and espouse the gospel according to Frankie, you must be a Jamo apologist and by the way Jamo is the devil.

[Slander]

Thanks for the reply Slander....knew I could count on you......loved the little subtle sarcastic jabs at me......No, Jimi's solo stuff didn't chart and I love how you convieniently left out his singing the Baywatch theme,you remember it don't you...Baywatch that is......Pam Anderson......beach........David Hasselhoff.......INTERNATIONAL HIT TV SHOW.....#1 TV SHOW IN THE WORLD.

Agreed. But I guarantee the Sman will roll the "too poppy/too cheesy" out and affix it to Jamo's big solo hit.

Yes it was limited success but I don't recall MSG singeing the charts like a missle in the night either.

Can't we hear Survivor, and JUST Survivor.

Big Solo Hit? Stop it. The show was a big hit.

[Slander]

And I don't like Jimi's doing other people's stuff either,so don't try to put me in the Jamison lover catagory....I actually liked the band with both guys in it.

I'm this way, too and like what I've heard thus far of McSurvivor (though I admittedly struggle at times with that). I own nothing of JJ's outside of Survivor.

But with Slander, it's all about Frankie and Jimi. IE: if you don't attend the Sullivan SME Church and espouse the gospel according to Frankie, you must be a Jamo apologist and by the way Jamo is the devil.

This has nothing to do with Sullivan or Jamo. I like both people. Both are talented. This has to do with Robin being able to play a few songs that he created. I swear you people can't leave the past.

[Red13JoePa]

What band is it again?

[Slander]

What band is it again?

The band is changing my friend. It's a new Survivor for a new generation. There is a new sheriff in town and his name is Robin Mcualey. By the way I'm Always Here was not a big hit. It charted in the UK with others singers doing it!!!!! I'm always here is a great tv theme song, very recognizable, but saying it was a big hit is like saying the theme to LEAVE IT TO BEAVER was a big hit.

[Red13JoePa]

What band is it again?

The band is changing my friend. It's a new Survivor for a new generation.

So let's play (drummmmmmmmmmmrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll)


MSG at the show.

[Slander]

What band is it again?

The band is changing my friend. It's a new Survivor for a new generation.

So let's play (drummmmmmmmmmmrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll)


MSG at the show.

I love the sarcasm but I don't see the harm in playing 1 to 2 msg songs at a show. I just don't. When I went to see HEART they played Led Zeppelin. When I say John Cafferty he did Dion and the Belmonts. I could go on and on.

[7 Wishes]

Cafferty is awesome. Too bad they only had that 2-3 year run; they deserved better.

I'm with you - I want the band to succeed, but I don't think they're going to impact a "new generation". Let's face it; 80's MR fans like us are getting a bit long in the tooth. But we make all the money, so we can keep 'em around as long as we keep supporting 'em.

[axecrew]

What band is it again?

The band is changing my friend. It's a new Survivor for a new generation. There is a new sheriff in town and his name is Robin Mcualey.

Slander, I have to give you mad props. You have an uncanning ability to take a topic and move it so far to the left or right at your whim.
So let me see if I digest all of this,it is a lot, Frankie can do no wrong...if someone should even whisper that he did,you are there to defend...truth?, justice and the Sullivan way!
Jimi Jamison ruined the band just by being in it and has done nothing of note since,therefore he is the devil incarnate.
Jim Peterik...see Jamison. i guess that's why he and Jimi are currently working together in the studio(Didn't know that did you?).
The "NEW" Survivor has a new sheriff and his name in McCauly,WOW !!you mean Frankie actually relinquished the reins to something!
The "NEW" Survivor is lightyears better than the "old" ones just for Robin's very participation.
The "NEW" Survivor is so great that not only did they not need a distribution deal in the states,BUT they don't even need to perform the majority of their shows in the states. They are now trying to conquer Europe as they've already done so on home soil. Kind of like a reverse Beatles....Breaking it HUGE in Europe.
Did I mention the lack of a domestic distribution deal in the US? But then the "Reach" album is so huge that everyone who wants a copy will have no problem spending the "Inflated" import prices,I'm mean 30,000 copies worldwide is HUGE numbers!!! Paul Stanley's solo album did better numbers then that,and god is that living in the past...late 60's ,early 70's to be exact.
Did I miss anything?? If so I'm sure you'll be happy to point it out.
Let's face it ok.....the past is all this band and it's fans really have,I commend Frankie for trying to keep it going....but there is no interest in the band domestically....thus the reason their last record was only released in Europe,there's little to no interest in them domestically live without the "classic" lineup......thus why the majority of dates are in Europe....the truth is that this band's past and future are one in the same.....in the past. The fans and the band only have the past to look at....there is no "real" future other then the present one,which is them being a nostalgia act. They will forever be known as the "Eye of the Tiger" guys and that was 20+ years ago....they've had a "Great" run,but that's all in the past,Frankie should embrace that instead of trying to run away and prove to the world that they are still a viable band.
Short story time......true story...summer of 1981 I was turning 17(Old I know) and listening to my radio in bed 1 night,it was under my pillow late that night and on WLS am 89 in Chicago, the DJ was interviewing these 2 guys from a local band and playing cuts from their new album. The first song I ever heard was "Summer Nights",the 2 guys were Jim and Frankie after about an hour of songs and talk they said goodnight, I went out the next day in a driving rain storm to buy "Premonition". To this day it still remains one of my favorite albums,since it introduced me to Survivor.
As I said....their legacy is in their past...not their future and the sooner it is embraced, the better off they will be.

[Slander]

What band is it again?

The band is changing my friend. It's a new Survivor for a new generation. There is a new sheriff in town and his name is Robin Mcualey.

Slander, I have to give you mad props. You have an uncanning ability to take a topic and move it so far to the left or right at your whim.
So let me see if I digest all of this,it is a lot, Frankie can do no wrong...if someone should even whisper that he did,you are there to defend...truth?, justice and the Sullivan way!
Jimi Jamison ruined the band just by being in it and has done nothing of note since,therefore he is the devil incarnate.
Jim Peterik...see Jamison. i guess that's why he and Jimi are currently working together in the studio(Didn't know that did you?).
The "NEW" Survivor has a new sheriff and his name in McCauly,WOW !!you mean Frankie actually relinquished the reins to something!
The "NEW" Survivor is lightyears better than the "old" ones just for Robin's very participation.
The "NEW" Survivor is so great that not only did they not need a distribution deal in the states,BUT they don't even need to perform the majority of their shows in the states. They are now trying to conquer Europe as they've already done so on home soil. Kind of like a reverse Beatles....Breaking it HUGE in Europe.
Did I mention the lack of a domestic distribution deal in the US? But then the "Reach" album is so huge that everyone who wants a copy will have no problem spending the "Inflated" import prices,I'm mean 30,000 copies worldwide is HUGE numbers!!! Paul Stanley's solo album did better numbers then that,and god is that living in the past...late 60's ,early 70's to be exact.
Did I miss anything?? If so I'm sure you'll be happy to point it out.
Let's face it ok.....the past is all this band and it's fans really have,I commend Frankie for trying to keep it going....but there is no interest in the band domestically....thus the reason their last record was only released in Europe,there's little to no interest in them domestically live without the "classic" lineup......thus why the majority of dates are in Europe....the truth is that this band's past and future are one in the same.....in the past. The fans and the band only have the past to look at....there is no "real" future other then the present one,which is them being a nostalgia act. They will forever be known as the "Eye of the Tiger" guys and that was 20+ years ago....they've had a "Great" run,but that's all in the past,Frankie should embrace that instead of trying to run away and prove to the world that they are still a viable band.
Short story time......true story...summer of 1981 I was turning 17(Old I know) and listening to my radio in bed 1 night,it was under my pillow late that night and on WLS am 89 in Chicago, the DJ was interviewing these 2 guys from a local band and playing cuts from their new album. The first song I ever heard was "Summer Nights",the 2 guys were Jim and Frankie after about an hour of songs and talk they said goodnight, I went out the next day in a driving rain storm to buy "Premonition". To this day it still remains one of my favorite albums,since it introduced me to Survivor.
As I said....their legacy is in their past...not their future and the sooner it is embraced, the better off they will be.

First of all I'm glad JP and Jimi are working together. I have nothing but respect for their abilities. VS is a masterpiece. I've always said that. I will also say without Frankie there is no Survivor period. His guitar is essential to the sound that is the heart and soul of the group. He has always been the one constant. I'm sorry it's just a fact. I for one don't think they will ever be what they were because none of the aor bands are! It's a different time. Radio is different. Distribution is different. That doesn't mean they can't attract a following. They are playing more dates. They played on national tv. Say what you want about Robin he is by far the best showman the band has ever had. Keep in mind I wish the original lineup had never broken up. Caught in the Game is the pinnacle for me. Having said that this is the most excited I have been about this group in 20 years. There is a commitment and an energy. My god there is fun! I will see them in concert tomorrow night. I'll let you know. By the way if your looking for a copy of reach you can go to nehrecords.com it's hardly expensive. Like 14.99! I don't know where you get your facts. Axe you and I share more common ground than you think. It's a shame you can't see the forest for the trees.

[axecrew]

What band is it again?

The band is changing my friend. It's a new Survivor for a new generation. There is a new sheriff in town and his name is Robin Mcualey.

Slander, I have to give you mad props. You have an uncanning ability to take a topic and move it so far to the left or right at your whim.
So let me see if I digest all of this,it is a lot, Frankie can do no wrong...if someone should even whisper that he did,you are there to defend...truth?, justice and the Sullivan way!
Jimi Jamison ruined the band just by being in it and has done nothing of note since,therefore he is the devil incarnate.
Jim Peterik...see Jamison. i guess that's why he and Jimi are currently working together in the studio(Didn't know that did you?).
The "NEW" Survivor has a new sheriff and his name in McCauly,WOW !!you mean Frankie actually relinquished the reins to something!
The "NEW" Survivor is lightyears better than the "old" ones just for Robin's very participation.
The "NEW" Survivor is so great that not only did they not need a distribution deal in the states,BUT they don't even need to perform the majority of their shows in the states. They are now trying to conquer Europe as they've already done so on home soil. Kind of like a reverse Beatles....Breaking it HUGE in Europe.
Did I mention the lack of a domestic distribution deal in the US? But then the "Reach" album is so huge that everyone who wants a copy will have no problem spending the "Inflated" import prices,I'm mean 30,000 copies worldwide is HUGE numbers!!! Paul Stanley's solo album did better numbers then that,and god is that living in the past...late 60's ,early 70's to be exact.
Did I miss anything?? If so I'm sure you'll be happy to point it out.
Let's face it ok.....the past is all this band and it's fans really have,I commend Frankie for trying to keep it going....but there is no interest in the band domestically....thus the reason their last record was only released in Europe,there's little to no interest in them domestically live without the "classic" lineup......thus why the majority of dates are in Europe....the truth is that this band's past and future are one in the same.....in the past. The fans and the band only have the past to look at....there is no "real" future other then the present one,which is them being a nostalgia act. They will forever be known as the "Eye of the Tiger" guys and that was 20+ years ago....they've had a "Great" run,but that's all in the past,Frankie should embrace that instead of trying to run away and prove to the world that they are still a viable band.
Short story time......true story...summer of 1981 I was turning 17(Old I know) and listening to my radio in bed 1 night,it was under my pillow late that night and on WLS am 89 in Chicago, the DJ was interviewing these 2 guys from a local band and playing cuts from their new album. The first song I ever heard was "Summer Nights",the 2 guys were Jim and Frankie after about an hour of songs and talk they said goodnight, I went out the next day in a driving rain storm to buy "Premonition". To this day it still remains one of my favorite albums,since it introduced me to Survivor.
As I said....their legacy is in their past...not their future and the sooner it is embraced, the better off they will be.

First of all I'm glad JP and Jimi are working together. I have nothing but respect for their abilities. VS is a masterpiece. I've always said that. I will also say without Frankie there is no Survivor period. His guitar is essential to the sound that is the heart and soul of the group. He has always been the one constant. I'm sorry it's just a fact. I for one don't think they will ever be what they were because none of the aor bands are! It's a different time. Radio is different. Distribution is different. That doesn't mean they can't attract a following. They are playing more dates. They played on national tv. Say what you want about Robin he is by far the best showman the band has ever had. Keep in mind I wish the original lineup had never broken up. Caught in the Game is the pinnacle for me. Having said that this is the most excited I have been about this group in 20 years. There is a commitment and an energy. My god there is fun! I will see them in concert tomorrow night. I'll let you know. By the way if your looking for a copy of reach you can go to nehrecords.com it's hardly expensive. Like 14.99! I don't know where you get your facts. Axe you and I share more common ground than you think. It's a shame you can't see the forest for the trees.

Bon Jovi, Def Leppard(to a degree),Rolling Stones....all AOR bands. They've all endured for decades. What do these 3 have in common....all the original members for the most part. The only members that were ever fired in these bands were bit players,not main players(Alec Jon Such-Bon Jovi,Pete Willis-DL) others quit for health reasons(Bill Wyman-RS) Steve Clark died DL.
None of them "fired" their most successful lead singer.
Yes, they played on National TV and that's fantastic....What song is it they played? No doubt one of those songs off of Reach!
You made my point for me....They played EYE. 24 years old Yes, Frankie has a signature guitar sound that is hugely part of the entire Survivor sound,and others had as much of an impact if not more...Where would Survivor be without Peterik's writing talent. I know you agree it's not even an arguable point. Yes he has been one of the constants...because he forced Jim out of his own band,if you'll remember he joined Jim's band,not the other way around.
I hope you enjoy the show and let us know what the reaction to MSG stuff is, if played.
Maybe we do have stuff in common,but we also differ in a lot of ways....maybe you have a forest/trees problem yourself.

[MarcelJordan]

What band is it again?

The band is changing my friend. It's a new Survivor for a new generation.

So let's play (drummmmmmmmmmmrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrooooooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll)


MSG at the show.

I love the sarcasm but I don't see the harm in playing 1 to 2 msg songs at a show. I just don't. When I went to see HEART they played Led Zeppelin. When I say John Cafferty he did Dion and the Belmonts. I could go on and on.

Yeah. Didn't the Beatles also do other's tunes in their concerts?

[axecrew]

If you all will notice...most bands play songs by whoever influenced them. Heart/Zepplin......etc........So Survivor was influenced by MSG?

[Eyeof]

I still must be missing something...I lived for this type of music and until this mess, I had never heard of MSG...

I think that Slander would rather see Frankie, Robin and whomever than Dave Bickler, Jim Peterik, Stephen Ellis, Marc and David Carl.

I'm just making a point...i think the latter would be a LOT more Survivor than a band just because Frankie is in it. Axe is right, Frankie is the constant, because the rest can't stand him long enough to be around him any length of time.

But (FOR ME), Dave vox and JP's songs and keys and Marc's drums are as much Survvior as Frankie elongated 45 minute guitar solo.....or even his sig riff, which I do enjoy.....

[MarcelJordan]

Frankie is the constant, because the rest can't stand him long enough to be around him any length of time.

I doubt this is true. Dave remained with FS after JP left. Its not this cut and dry. Not to mention long time member Marc. Plus insinuating this is disturbing. oh well.

[Slander]

Frankie is the constant, because the rest can't stand him long enough to be around him any length of time.

I doubt this is true. Dave remained with FS after JP left. Its not this cut and dry. Not to mention long time member Marc. Plus insinuating this is disturbing. oh well.

It all comes back to the dislike on this board of Frankie. It's a real shame. It also seem out of proportion with the events that have transpired. Can anyone imagine Survivor without the signature sound of Sullivan? It's not Survivor.

[Slander]

I still must be missing something...I lived for this type of music and until this mess, I had never heard of MSG...

I think that Slander would rather see Frankie, Robin and whomever than Dave Bickler, Jim Peterik, Stephen Ellis, Marc and David Carl.

Eye how many times do I have to state I thought the band reached it's pinnacle with CITG. I wish the original band were still together period. This doesn't mean I can't respect the current line up and look forward to the future.

[Slander]

/quote]
Bon Jovi, Def Leppard(to a degree),Rolling Stones....all AOR bands. They've all endured for decades.[/quote]

I agree with those three bands but let's be honest here Survivor was never on that same scale so the comparison proves false.
I love Survivor but they never achieved major headlining status life those aforementioned groups. And by the way of course survivor sang eye of the tiger on national tv. Anytime I see the following groups on national tv you hear you give love a bad name, pour some sugar on me, and start me up. You never here new stones stuff when they are on national tv. come on get real. Bands play their signature stuff when they get exposure.

[Slander]

I still must be missing something...I lived for this type of music and until this mess, I had never heard of MSG...

I think that Slander would rather see Frankie, Robin and whomever than Dave Bickler, Jim Peterik, Stephen Ellis, Marc and David Carl.

I'm just making a point...i think the latter would be a LOT more Survivor than a band just because Frankie is in it. Axe is right, Frankie is the constant, because the rest can't stand him long enough to be around him any length of time.

But (FOR ME), Dave vox and JP's songs and keys and Marc's drums are as much Survvior as Frankie elongated 45 minute guitar solo.....or even his sig riff, which I do enjoy.....

Eye I always thought Frankie was critical to the rhythm and harmony of the music.

[MarcelJordan]

Can anyone imagine Survivor without the signature sound of Sullivan? It's not Survivor.

I would think this is what JP felt as well when he left the band. He knows Survivor can still make it, as long as FS was the constant. When JJ went around as Survivor, JP was certainly NOT impressed. Anyway, water under the bridge.

My point is assuming people leave the band because of one member is not accurate. Its flying in the face of long time collaborators like Marc and even Chris Grove. Think of this: Why would Billy come back with the band, if FS was this horrid monster? Things happen, you move on and hopefully have fun.And this EXACTLY what's happening with the band now. The latter should be our focus.Going back and pointing fingers isn't.

[axecrew]

I for one don't think they will ever be what they were because none of the aor bands are!

Slander this is a direct quote from you...no where do you qualify as to what level of success a band had to achive, you said NONE of the aor bands are. No Survivor isn't among those mentioned in status,but they belong in the catogory.
Of course most bands play their "hit" or hits on TV,that's what people remember them for,why do you think the stones never sell any copies of their "new" records or why they only do about 1 per decade.....no one cares about that stuff...they want to hear the hits.

You also need to get over this everyone hates Frankie on this board. Not everyone hates him...most have a ton of respect for him and his ability,myself included. What we hate is his attiude and his overall personality. Maybe if he spent less time suing the world he'd be better off. Andrew can say what he wants about the paperwork he got from Frankie's lawyer concerning the anniversary show,but I for one don't belive a "F'n" word of Frankie's explanation. Frankie is a control freak,we all know that, so you want me to believe that this lawyer just decided on his own to send these cease and desist papers to Andrew. Bullshit!!!! Sullivan knows exactly what was happening and he caught a shitstorm of flak for it, that caused him to backpedal fast.

Marcel...Assuming someone left because of 1 person is not correct? Well when the evidence tends to lean towards that fact,one tends to lean with it.
I guess we have to ask ourselves a number of questions like.....
Why did Jim leave the very band he started?
Why was or who "Fired" Marc the first time?
Why did Jimi leave this time?

I've heard rumblings of the answers to these,but nothing concrete. In all the rumblings I've heard....they all point back to 1 guy.
As for the signature guitar sound and if Frankie had left....it would've been much easier to replacate that sound then a vocalist.

[Red13JoePa]

If you all will notice...most bands play songs by whoever influenced them. Heart/Zepplin......etc........So Survivor was influenced by MSG?

Yet another reason this is a daft idea.

[MarcelJordan]

I've heard rumblings of the answers to these,but nothing concrete. In all the rumblings I've heard....they all point back to 1 guy.

Obviously. If it was JP the only constant in Survivor, HE would be "enemy no. 1" as well.

REALLY this is getting OLD. Geez!

[Eyeof]

I doubt this is true. Dave remained with FS after JP left. Its not this cut and dry. Not to mention long time member Marc. Plus insinuating this is disturbing. oh well.

Yes, this is true. Dave did remain with Frankie the second time, until Frankie went against everything he had been saying for the past three years and fired him and rehired JJ....I found and still find that not only in your words disturbing, but quite honestly unforgivable...I don't care what any of you say....Frankie says one thing and does another...he's a hipocrit and a liar...and i don't for one second think his sound means more to Survivor than JP or Dave...No way....not even close...JP left because he had had it with FS and he didn't care whether or not they made it our not...I read in an interview not long ago that he was 'afraid' to listen to McSurvivor...I don't blame him...he should be...

[MarcelJordan]

I doubt this is true. Dave remained with FS after JP left. Its not this cut and dry. Not to mention long time member Marc. Plus insinuating this is disturbing. oh well.

Yes, this is true. Dave did remain with Frankie the second time, until Frankie went against everything he had been saying for the past three years and fired him and rehired JJ....I found and still find that not only in your words disturbing, but quite honestly unforgivable...I don't care what any of you say....Frankie says one thing and does another...he's a hipocrit and a liar...and i don't for one second think his sound means more to Survivor than JP or Dave...No way....not even close...JP left because he had had it with FS and he didn't care whether or not they made it our not...I read in an interview not long ago that he was 'afraid' to listen to McSurvivor...I don't blame him...he should be...

Ok dude, this "liar" is keeping the flag flying. We've wouldn't be discussing Survivor if it wasn't for FS.

Can't wait for the German shows to start and hope there will be some pics and reviews.


I don't blame him...he should be

He shouldn't . Robin has been getting rave reviews.

[7 Wishes]

MJ, I'm getting psyched for the new record, but the reviews about McAuley have hardly been scintillating. If they come near me, I will see them and make up my own mind...and I will get the new album, when it comes out later this year (this is 2015, right?). But the reviews have NOT been particularly positive, as a rule.

[MarcelJordan]

MJ, I'm getting psyched for the new record, but the reviews about McAuley have hardly been scintillating. If they come near me, I will see them and make up my own mind...and I will get the new album, when it comes out later this year (this is 2015, right?). But the reviews have NOT been particularly positive, as a rule.

Perhaps you're talking about those who don't want Robin singing. Overall, its been positive. I like what I see (on youtube ), and Im big on Dave and frankly I want Dave back, but Im pretty satisfied with RM.

2015? No its 20/20 ha ha!

[NealIsGod]

If you all will notice...most bands play songs by whoever influenced them. Heart/Zepplin......etc........So Survivor was influenced by MSG?

Yet another reason this is a daft idea.

VanHagar played several Sammy tunes.

[Slander]

MJ, I'm getting psyched for the new record, but the reviews about McAuley have hardly been scintillating. If they come near me, I will see them and make up my own mind...and I will get the new album, when it comes out later this year (this is 2015, right?). But the reviews have NOT been particularly positive, as a rule.

Perhaps you're talking about those who don't want Robin singing. Overall, its been positive. I like what I see (on youtube ), and Im big on Dave and frankly I want Dave back, but Im pretty satisfied with RM.

2015? No its 20/20 ha ha!

I saw Survivor last night! While I will always prefer Dave on vocals and the original lineup last night's performance was outstanding. Without question Robin is the best entertainer the group has EVER had.

[MarcelJordan]

MJ, I'm getting psyched for the new record, but the reviews about McAuley have hardly been scintillating. If they come near me, I will see them and make up my own mind...and I will get the new album, when it comes out later this year (this is 2015, right?). But the reviews have NOT been particularly positive, as a rule.

Perhaps you're talking about those who don't want Robin singing. Overall, its been positive. I like what I see (on youtube ), and Im big on Dave and frankly I want Dave back, but Im pretty satisfied with RM.

2015? No its 20/20 ha ha!

I saw Survivor last night! While I will always prefer Dave on vocals and the original lineup last night's performance was outstanding. Without question Robin is the best entertainer the group has EVER had.

Excellent Slander!