JJ European Tour This May

[Red13JoePa]

And YOU have no evidence that he WAS paid.
It's he said, she said and Sullivan's silence has been DEAFENING.

To put it in YOUR litigious parlance, if Sullivan was slandered by Jamison or libeled by the interviewer, "where's the lawsuit?"

Or might he think he couldn't win, because the facts are on Jamison's side?

First of all RED, I don't know what country you are living in but in this country when someone makes an accusation you are innocent unitl proven guilty.

Not in the case of Slander and Libel.
In this case it would, SHOULD be Frankie (who does have the annual "Lawsuits Are Us" award given by this site named after him) who makes the accusations, frankie who pulls the trigger on a libel/slander suit. If he thought he could win, and we KNOW he's not shy about firing the lawyers up, where's the suit?

That poster is the most comical thing I've ever seen. Jamison appears to follow the letter of the law to the T yet the whole thing shrieks Survivor.

[Eyeof]

I would say JJ's tapered 1985 black pants and hair cut are both evidence he was not paid...man can't even afford new duds and a proper trim...

[Slander]

And YOU have no evidence that he WAS paid.
It's he said, she said and Sullivan's silence has been DEAFENING.

To put it in YOUR litigious parlance, if Sullivan was slandered by Jamison or libeled by the interviewer, "where's the lawsuit?"

Or might he think he couldn't win, because the facts are on Jamison's side?

First of all RED, I don't know what country you are living in but in this country when someone makes an accusation you are innocent unitl proven guilty.

Not in the case of Slander and Libel.
In this case it would, SHOULD be Frankie (who does have the annual "Lawsuits Are Us" award given by this site named after him) who makes the accusations, frankie who pulls the trigger on a libel/slander suit. If he thought he could win, and we KNOW he's not shy about firing the lawyers up, where's the suit?

That poster is the most comical thing I've ever seen. Jamison appears to follow the letter of the law to the T yet the whole thing shrieks Survivor.

What is he going to sue JJ for? What does the man have? You have this back asswards as you have from the beginning if JJ was ripped off this should be a slam dunk. I think JJ is just pissed off because his solo career didn't exactly take off. Now he has to ride Survivor/FS coat tails. Like I said Red if he's such a damn aor legend he wouldn't have to cover himself in the cloak of Survivor.

[Red13JoePa]

LOL, yea OK.

Weren't you one who was going to go running to management right away to alert them about that interview and see if they wanted to look into recourse against Jamison, the interviewer and anybody (including this site) who RAN that interview?

We're few months out now, so I guess they figured that in order to exercise remedies against Jamison, the interviewer and anybody who ran with the interview, they'd actually have to have some evidence REFUTING the Jamison allegations.

[Slander]

LOL, yea OK.

Weren't you one who was going to go running to management right away to alert them about that interview and see if they wanted to look into recourse against Jamison, the interviewer and anybody (including this site) who RAN that interview?

We're few months out now, so I guess they figured that in order to exercise remedies against Jamison, the interviewer and anybody who ran with the interview, they'd actually have to have some evidence REFUTING the Jamison allegations.

When did I say I was going to management? You are just making this shit up as you go. All I said is that I thought every effort should be made to get both sides of the story. I just wanted things to be ethical and fair. JJ's idiotic comments were out in the wide open. No one needed to let FS know.

[Red13JoePa]

LOL, yea OK.

Weren't you one who was going to go running to management right away to alert them about that interview and see if they wanted to look into recourse against Jamison, the interviewer and anybody (including this site) who RAN that interview?

We're few months out now, so I guess they figured that in order to exercise remedies against Jamison, the interviewer and anybody who ran with the interview, they'd actually have to have some evidence REFUTING the Jamison allegations.

When did I say I was going to management? You are just making this shit up as you go. All I said is that I thought every effort should be made to get both sides of the story. I just wanted things to be ethical and fair. JJ's idiotic comments were out in the wide open. No one needed to let FS know.

See the Jamison interview thread above where you were so hot to get back at SOMEbody for the things Jamison said that were even ready to settle for Andrew's head on a platter.

[Slander]

See the Jamison interview thread above where you were so hot to get back at SOMEbody for the things Jamison said that were even ready to settle for Andrew's head on a platter.

First I wasn't that hot. I really don't have a dog in the fight. Second no one wanted Andrews head on a platter. There was honest journalistic disagreement. Third you are RIGHT when I said I thought about contacting the band myself about the comments but I did not do that since Andrew apparently made an effort to do so. So let's set the record straight. Lastly Red this is a bullshit distraction from the original point which is cry-baby is being unethical by implying that he sang eye of the tiger in rocky 3.

[Slander]

That poster is the most comical thing I've ever seen. Jamison appears to follow the letter of the law to the T yet the whole thing shrieks Survivor.

Red while your playing games you continue to dodge, duck, bob and weave around this question: If JJ is such a damn aor legend than why does he continue to promote himself in the cloak of Survivor. Is JJ afraid to stand on his own? Is he afraid to admit he needed FS to make a living? Honest questions that you are not answering. I challenge JJ to stand on his own.

[Red13JoePa]

See the Jamison interview thread above where you were so hot to get back at SOMEbody for the things Jamison said that were even ready to settle for Andrew's head on a platter.

First I wasn't that hot. I really don't have a dog in the fight. Second no one wanted Andrews head on a platter. There was honest journalistic disagreement. Third you are RIGHT when I said I thought about contacting the band myself about the comments but I did not do that since Andrew apparently made an effort to do so. So let's set the record straight. Lastly Red this is a bullshit distraction from the original point which is cry-baby is being unethical by implying that he sang eye of the tiger in rocky 3.

#1, and my and Andrew's faces are beginning to turn blue from trying to sledgehammer this through the slab of Frankie-Kool-Aid colored granite atop your shoulders,
ANDREW WAS NOT THE JOURNALIST BEHIND THE INTERVIEW. In fact, there IS no journalism behind interviews, it's Q&A not a report and not an editorial.

#2 The poster implies merely that he WILL sing a song that appeared in RIII.

[Red13JoePa]

Is JJ afraid to stand on his own? Is he afraid to admit he needed FS to make a living?

No, I think his interview answered that question with an emphatic "no."
Jamison said that between not being paid royalties (and don't start the publishing company shit, either, unless I'm wrong Sullivan IS his own publishing co) for Survivor songs, not being paid for Reach, and not being able to get live paychecks because Sullivan was both cancelling and turning down concert offers, working with FS WASN'T much of a living.

[Slander]

See the Jamison interview thread

#2 The poster implies merely that he WILL sing a song that appeared in RIII.

No the poster implies that he sang it in the movie. Why else use the damn poster. We are not going down this road again but Andrew DOES take responsibility for what he prints on this site. I give him credit for that. Sorry thanks for playing Red but on this point you lose. Legitimate news organizations take responsibility for what their emissarys report.

[axecrew]

Slander,slander,slander......surely a" NEWSPAPER MAN "such as yourself knows that you can't imply that a person is or was drunk or a drunk without proof. Otherwise it would be considered......"GASP"......slander. Now the world of message boards are a bit murky,but I'd bet if JJ wanted to he could print your words and petition Andrew to release your name to him,then file a lawsuit against you for slander. What would you do then? You'd have to sell all your tour trinkets to pay for it.

Now I've a question for you.......As a newspaper man,do you write the advertising for your story or column? In other words lets say you are writing an expose on something or someone......do you write the ad piece that announces your story. For example....a few days before the article appears do YOU write the part where it says" Coming on weds....Slander's expose on senator XYZ and his love affair with a prositute." Who writes that you or the newpaper editorial staff?

[Slander]

Is JJ afraid to stand on his own? Is he afraid to admit he needed FS to make a living?

No, I think his interview answered that question with an emphatic "no."
Jamison said that between not being paid royalties (and don't start the publishing company shit, either, unless I'm wrong Sullivan IS his own publishing co) for Survivor songs, not being paid for Reach, and not being able to get live paychecks because Sullivan was both cancelling and turning down concert offers, working with FS WASN'T much of a living.

What is JJ a friggin infant? It's not FS fault the JJ is stupid with his business dealings. God you JJ lovers hold him accountable for nothing. Jamison doesn't need a microphone, he needs a high chair and a bib. It's a damn shame. He's a great talent.

[Red13JoePa]

Yes, Andrew's site (and as such, Andrew) ran the interview.
He has confirmed on these pages that he has run the aforementioned interview which he did not conduct.

As you say, he has "taken responsibility" for it, as you keep ominously phrasing it.


Where's that going, that you think he IS or SHOULD be in some kind of trouble for running the inteview?

Do you think that he should NOT have run the interview? If not then why?

[Slander]

[quote="axecrew"]Slander,slander,slander......surely a" NEWSPAPER MAN "such as yourself knows that you can't imply that a person is or was drunk or a drunk without proof. Otherwise it would be considered......"GASP"......slander. /quote]

Nice try. It's called sarcasm. Like what was JJ smokin' when he gave the interview. This isn't a newspaper story this is a bulletin board.

[axecrew]

Slander,slander,slander......surely a" NEWSPAPER MAN "such as yourself knows that you can't imply that a person is or was drunk or a drunk without proof. Otherwise it would be considered......"GASP"......slander. /quote]

Nice try. It's called sarcasm. Like what was JJ smokin' when he gave the interview. This isn't a newspaper story this is a bulletin board.

Fair enough now answer the question.....who writes the stuff I spoke of?

[Slander]

Yes, Andrew's site (and as such, Andrew) ran the interview.
He has confirmed on these pages that he has run the aforementioned interview which he did not conduct.

As you say, he has "taken responsibility" for it, as you keep ominously phrasing it.


Where's that going, that you think he IS or SHOULD be in some kind of trouble for running the inteview?

Do you think that he should NOT have run the interview? If not then why?

I think it's fine for Andrew to run the JJ tirade but I think in fairness it was only appropriate to contact the band for a response. What's the issue here? I'm sure Andrew understands that, why don't you?

[axecrew]

Yes, Andrew's site (and as such, Andrew) ran the interview.
He has confirmed on these pages that he has run the aforementioned interview which he did not conduct.

As you say, he has "taken responsibility" for it, as you keep ominously phrasing it.


Where's that going, that you think he IS or SHOULD be in some kind of trouble for running the inteview?

Do you think that he should NOT have run the interview? If not then why?

I think it's fine for Andrew to run the JJ tirade but I think in fairness it was only appropriate to contact the band for a response. What's the issue here? I'm sure Andrew understands that, why don't you?

The issue is that Andrew did try to contact sullivan,he didn't respond one way or the other, you are the only one who continues to beat the dead horse. There is no issue and everyone but you can see that.
Now answer my question.

[Richard Epps]

I think that the UK promoters are to blame for the poster,here in the UK there is little knowledge of Survivor, they have put two and two together.I wouldnt be surprised if JJ hasnt even seen it.Did anyone check out Dante Fox on myspace by the way top band.
I am looking forward to these shows as I am not as lucky as you guys in the States who can see the band.

[Red13JoePa]

[Slander]

Now I've a question for you.......As a newspaper man,do you write the advertising for your story or column? In other words lets say you are writing an expose on something or someone......do you write the ad piece that announces your story. For example....a few days before the article appears do YOU write the part where it says" Coming on weds....Slander's expose on senator XYZ and his love affair with a prositute." Who writes that you or the newpaper editorial staff?

I guess AXE I don't get the point. Any story that runs like the above would have been checked out from all anglel and every party would have been contacted. I had no problem with the JJ interivew being run at all as long as an EFFORT was made to contact Survivor, FS, and the accountant. That's not only ethical it's the way things should be done.

[Red13JoePa]

Now I've a question for you.......As a newspaper man,do you write the advertising for your story or column? In other words lets say you are writing an expose on something or someone......do you write the ad piece that announces your story. For example....a few days before the article appears do YOU write the part where it says" Coming on weds....Slander's expose on senator XYZ and his love affair with a prositute." Who writes that you or the newpaper editorial staff?

I guess AXE I don't get the point. Any story that runs like the above would have been checked out from all angels and every party would have been contacted. I had no problem with the JJ interivew being run at all as long as an EFFORT was made to contact Survivor, FS, and the accountant. That's not only ethical it's the way things should be done.

Are you out of your mind?

It's not Andrew's responsibility to follow up with artists on OTHER people's interviews, especially not just because YOU don't like the way the 3rd party interview portrays Frankie Sullivan.
It's THAT interviewer's responsibility to do so IF they feel like it.

Not to mention the hundreds of interviews we see covering all walks of life where one person slams another without comment from the slamee. There would hardly ever be any interviews if that were the case.

[axecrew]

Now I've a question for you.......As a newspaper man,do you write the advertising for your story or column? In other words lets say you are writing an expose on something or someone......do you write the ad piece that announces your story. For example....a few days before the article appears do YOU write the part where it says" Coming on weds....Slander's expose on senator XYZ and his love affair with a prositute." Who writes that you or the newpaper editorial staff?

I guess AXE I don't get the point. Any story that runs like the above would have been checked out from all angels and every party would have been contacted. I had no problem with the JJ interivew being run at all as long as an EFFORT was made to contact Survivor, FS, and the accountant. That's not only ethical it's the way things should be done.

NO SANDER as usual you don't get the point.....If YOU write a story....who writes the build up in the newspaper prior to the story? You or the paper's editorial staff? Please see above example..who writes the build up? This has nothing to do with the interview at all. So take that out of your head.... Stop obcessing with that interview this has nothing to do with that. Who writes the teaser to your story at the paper?

[Red13JoePa]

You're talking about the tour poster now, right AxeCrew?

[Slander]

[The issue is that Andrew did try to contact sullivan,he didn't respond one way or the other, you are the only one who continues to beat the dead horse. There is no issue and everyone but you can see that.
Now answer my question.

I have no issue with Andrew. I've said that repeatedly. I know he tried to contact FS. What's the argument. This isn't even the topic of this thread. I've never seen so many people try to dodge a simple question: If JJ is an aor legend that why does he cloak himself in Survivor at every turn?

[axecrew]

Hello?????? Your mouth was going a mile a minute a little while ago...where you at now? Did the Saint tell you to stop posting as you were losing badly? Come on put the phone down......you don't check with the Saint all the time do you?
Hello????? Your mouth was writing checks your ass can't cash all morning, where are you now?


Ok fine don't want to answer that one....how 'bout this one? Where was that GREAT journalistic integrity when sullivan came on here and blasted JJ? Did you scream then for Andrew to get JJ's side of things? I believe you laughed your ass off and said that it served him right.......Must be nice to be able to turn that integrity on and off like that,go see the Saint and get paid.

Why do you continue to try to take the focus away from the question? The only person here who brought up that interview and getting another side os YOU.

Yes red the poster.

[Slander]

[quote="axecrew"
NO SANDER as usual you don't get the point.....If YOU write a story....who writes the build up in the newspaper prior to the story? You or the paper's editorial staff? [/quote]

Gotcha. I see the point you are making. No the person who writes the story doesn't do the "teaser" etc. Promotion usually does that. I get your point. Having said that the NEWSPAPER is responsible if it is wrong. In this case I think JJ implying that he is the vocalist who sang the song in the movie is wrong. I frankly can't even see why this is even up for discussion. Answer the question: If JJ is a legend than surely he doesn't need ride Survivor's coat tails. Right?

[Slander]

[]
Are you out of your mind?

It's not Andrew's responsibility to follow up with artists on OTHER people's interviews, especially not just because YOU don't like the way the 3rd party interview portrays Frankie Sullivan.

I think Andrew might even agree with me on this. I believe it is a journalist responsiblity to do follow up if you run a piece that accuses someone else of being a criminal. JJ flat out did that. It's one thing to say you don't like somebody..yadda..yadda..yadda...it's another to accuse someone of illegalities as JJ did. Andrew did the right thing and tried to get the other side. Frankie Sullivan declined to dignify the garbabe coming out of JJ's mouth. What is so insane about trying to get both sides of a story RED? RED what newspapers do you read? THE CUBAN TIMES!

[axecrew]

[quote="axecrew"
NO SANDER as usual you don't get the point.....If YOU write a story....who writes the build up in the newspaper prior to the story? You or the paper's editorial staff?

Gotcha. I see the point you are making. No the person who writes the story doesn't do the "teaser" etc. Promotion usually does that. I get your point. Having said that the NEWSPAPER is responsible if it is wrong. In this case I think JJ implying that he is the vocalist who sang the song in the movie is wrong. I frankly can't even see why this is even up for discussion. Answer the question: If JJ is a legend than surely he doesn't need ride Survivor's coat tails. Right?[/quote]

The answer and why it's up for discussion is THE PROMOTER HANDLES ANY AND ALL ADVERTISING FOR A SHOW, THE ARTIST HAS NO INPUT WHATSOEVER. Therefore your "complaint is null and void. JJ had nothing to do with the poster...that is the promoter. The promoter's words,the promoter's images. How come you vilify JJ automatically when something like this comes out,but yet when we do it to the Saint...OH my god hell hath no fury like you when that happens. What happens to what's good for one is good for all? Or is it.....What's good for one is good for all, EXCEPT the Saint.
Thank YOU for playing, game,set,match.
Ok folks that concludes today's entertaiment,tune in again when slander finds another way to get paid by the Saint.

[Slander]

Thank YOU for playing, game,set,match.
Ok folks that concludes today's entertaiment,tune in again when slander finds another way to get paid by the Saint.

No that doeesn't settle anything axe. So you are telling me it was the promoters idea when JJ was parading around as Survivor?