Frankie Sullivan Comments On JJ's Departure

[Red13JoePa]

He didn't respect JJ in the interview at all.

Fruedian slip?

[Slander]

He didn't respect JJ in the interview at all.

Fruedian slip?

Gimme a break JoePa. He didn't disrespect him at all in the interview. You know it. It's there for everyone to see. By the way I have been reading through many JP interviews. He sings FS praises in many of them. I guess I could start a thread and starting posting JP's comments.

[axecrew]

He didn't respect JJ in the interview at all.

Fruedian slip?

Gimme a break JoePa. He didn't disrespect him at all in the interview. You know it. It's there for everyone to see. By the way I have been reading through many JP interviews. He sings FS praises in many of them. I guess I could start a thread and starting posting JP's comments.

Please do.

[Slander]

He didn't respect JJ in the interview at all.

Fruedian slip?

Gimme a break JoePa. He didn't disrespect him at all in the interview. You know it. It's there for everyone to see. By the way I have been reading through many JP interviews. He sings FS praises in many of them. I guess I could start a thread and starting posting JP's comments.

Please do.

“Caught in the Game”, undoubtedly one of the best guitar riffs Frankie ever came up with,

Summer Nights” was, in my opinion, the first great song Frankie and I wrote together.



These are just two quotes from an interview JP gave back in 2000. JP is on record praising Sullivan's abilities many times. Great JP may not like FS but I can tell you Mr. Peterik respects FS abilities. By the way you do realize that FS is the lead producer on Survivor's "Premonition." That is the album that started their signature sound. Now do you want to continue this thread?

[Red13JoePa]

He praises him as an artist there, but I think you'd be extremely hard-pressed in the context of ANY band, to find comments where bandmemembers bash eachother's actual abilities.

Schon/Perry, Van Halen/Sammy-Dave, on and on and on.

What we need to see are quotes that show peterik as someone who recognizes frankie the person as the infalible mother theresa you say peterik knows he is.

[Slander]

He praises him as an artist there, but I think you'd be extremely hard-pressed in the context of ANY band, to find comments where bandmemembers bash eachother's actual abilities.

Schon/Perry, Van Halen/Sammy-Dave, on and on and on.

What we need to see are quotes that show peterik as someone who recognizes frankie the person as the infalible mother theresa you say peterik knows he is.

Oh now we are changing the rules of the game. Wasn't it your beloved JJ who was bashing Frankies guitar playing in that wonderful recent interview that appeared on this website? Wasn't it JJ who bashed Bicklers singing back in an interview on this website in 1999? Hard pressed? Isn't it axecrew that claims that FS is no more than a studio musician? No what I can give you are comments from JP that speak to Frankie's talents which you folks continually want to marginalize. Do we really want to go hear. Sorry Red this one is a loser for you.

[Red13JoePa]

Hey, you're talking about Jim Peterik singing his praises, not Jamison.

Jamison's one of the rare breed of musicians who's fearless regarding what comes out of his mouth.
He clearly could give a crap about political correctness.

We've raised issue upon issue that call into question the ethics of sullivan, OFF stage, OUT OF STUDIO.

You were rebutting those wth posts stating how peterik sings frankie's praises in interview upon interview so the assumption was that JP would be praising frankie the PERSON, not frankie the guitarist.

[axecrew]

He praises him as an artist there, but I think you'd be extremely hard-pressed in the context of ANY band, to find comments where bandmemembers bash eachother's actual abilities.

Schon/Perry, Van Halen/Sammy-Dave, on and on and on.

What we need to see are quotes that show peterik as someone who recognizes frankie the person as the infalible mother theresa you say peterik knows he is.

Oh now we are changing the rules of the game. Wasn't it your beloved JJ who was bashing Frankies guitar playing in that wonderful recent interview that appeared on this website? Wasn't it JJ who bashed Bicklers singing back in an interview on this website in 1999? Hard pressed? Isn't it axecrew that claims that FS is no more than a studio musician? No what I can give you are comments from JP that speak to Frankie's talents which you folks continually want to marginalize. Do we really want to go hear. Sorry Red this one is a loser for you.

I've ask you and ask you Prove to me where I said sullivan was nothing but a studio musician....continue to accuse me of that without proof and you will find out just what your screen name means.

[Slander]

Hey, you're talking about Jim Peterik singing his praises, not Jamison.

Jamison's one of the rare breed of musicians who's fearless regarding what comes out of his mouth.
He clearly could give a crap about political correctness.

We've raised issue upon issue that call into question the ethics of sullivan, OFF stage, OUT OF STUDIO.

You were rebutting those wth posts stating how peterik sings frankie's praises in interview upon interview so the assumption was that JP would be praising frankie the PERSON, not frankie the guitarist.

Red weren't you the one who said musicians rarely criticize each other openly despite their personal feelings toward each other? I just gave you two examples from JJ where he does so. Do you actually read your own stuff? I could careless what JP feels about FS as a person. That has never been the issue. The issue is that you and others have an obssession with trying to marginalize FS abilities. JP would even beg to differ.

[Slander]

He praises him as an artist there, but I think you'd be extremely hard-pressed in the context of ANY band, to find comments where bandmemembers bash eachother's actual abilities.

Schon/Perry, Van Halen/Sammy-Dave, on and on and on.

What we need to see are quotes that show peterik as someone who recognizes frankie the person as the infalible mother theresa you say peterik knows he is.

Oh now we are changing the rules of the game. Wasn't it your beloved JJ who was bashing Frankies guitar playing in that wonderful recent interview that appeared on this website? Wasn't it JJ who bashed Bicklers singing back in an interview on this website in 1999? Hard pressed? Isn't it axecrew that claims that FS is no more than a studio musician? No what I can give you are comments from JP that speak to Frankie's talents which you folks continually want to marginalize. Do we really want to go hear. Sorry Red this one is a loser for you.

You know axe I have done my best here to be kind to you. To be civil. Clearly you are way too close to the situation. Your honestly going to tell me that you haven't tried to marginalize FS abilites as a person, guitar player, song writer and producer? I think you should identify yourself and you might lose your cred on the subject. Don't be a hypocrite.

I've ask you and ask you Prove to me where I said sullivan was nothing but a studio musician....continue to accuse me of that without proof and you will find out just what your screen name means.

[Slander]

He didn't respect JJ in the interview at all.

Fruedian slip?

Gimme a break JoePa. He didn't disrespect him at all in the interview. You know it. It's there for everyone to see. By the way I have been reading through many JP interviews. He sings FS praises in many of them. I guess I could start a thread and starting posting JP's comments.

Please do.

More quotes from JP on Frankie Sullivan:


From 2004:

I am also proud of The Search Is Over. Many people around the world have been married to this song. It is a real tribute to Frankie and my vision of this song. I can really be proud of all we achieved as a band. For all the typical band dramas, we had a unique chemistry that helped create that sound.

From 2000:

We had cut enough tracks for the record, but when Frankie started playing a certain magical riff, we knew we had to write one more. That song became “I Can’t Hold Back”, one of my favorite tracks on the record.


From 2006:

I have no problem completing a song alone but often it's nice to put your heads together and get something you wouldn't have done on your own.


From 2006 with question included:

Who has been your favourite person to write with over the years and is there anybody, alive or dead' that you'd like to work with?

I wrote a lot of good ones with Frankie Sullivan- we had a good chemistry when we wrote-

From 2000:

"I left Survivor in 1996," he says. "It was a hard move to make."

That band was, by then, without a recording contract and is currently more than a decade separated from its last hit. "It was time to try some different things," he says. "As far as animosity, there isn’t any. I have only good things to say. I cherish those years. It was a special era, and when Frankie (Sullivan) and I got together, we wrote a special kind of song. I did some of my best work with Survivor.

I'm sorry to all of you. Jim's words speak for themself. Those were great years with he and Frankie. Let's face it: JP wanted to sing and play guitar right? He is now. Do you really think Survivor would have been any more successful with him doing both? That's an honest question and isn't a slam against him personally. Just a fair question.

[Slander]

He praises him as an artist there, but I think you'd be extremely hard-pressed in the context of ANY band, to find comments where bandmemembers bash eachother's actual abilities.

Hard-pressed? Let's go to JJ's comments shall we. Or his comments about Dave in 1999. Listen I could really careless either way but you guys have to got start using the same standards for all parties involved.

[Red13JoePa]

Jamison, of course, is an exception.

Show me other bands where they bash eachother's talents.
Even jamo here is speaking of Bickler's vocal condition, not his talent.

I want to see all these articles where peterik absolves st sullivan of any wrongdoing ever.

[Slander]

Jamison, of course, is an exception.

Show me other bands where they bash eachother's talents.
Even jamo here is speaking of Bickler's vocal condition, not his talent.

I want to see all these articles where peterik absolves st sullivan of any wrongdoing ever.

Did you read any of the quotes? Like when he says I cherish the years? What wrong doing. Let's be honest here. JP is a great song writer but did we really want him on lead vocals for Survivor or playing guitar. It seems to me this is where they split their ways. No?

[Red13JoePa]

Judging by the frequency and quality of Peterik's work since compared to Survivor's Bi-monthly, sometimes semi-annual touring schedule and no album releases as far as US buying audiences are concerned since 1988, I'd say THAT'S where they parted ways.

[Slander]

Judging by the frequency and quality of Peterik's work since compared to Survivor's Bi-monthly, sometimes semi-annual touring schedule and no album releases as far as US buying audiences are concerned since 1988, I'd say THAT'S where they parted ways.

Wow so now that I have produced glowing remarks from Peterik toward Sullivan you want to bitch about albums and touring. Fine. I've repeatedly agreed with you on this front. You didn't answer my question: Would Survivor have benefited with Peterik playing guitar and singing? Be honest here.

[Red13JoePa]

Stop trying to twist it.
AxeCrew said Peterik lobbied to play MORE guitar (presumably rythm I guess) and you're trying to make it look like Peterik lobbied to become lead singer and lead guitarist.

[Slander]

Stop trying to twist it.
AxeCrew said Peterik lobbied to play MORE guitar (presumably rythm I guess) and you're trying to make it look like Peterik lobbied to become lead singer and lead guitarist.

I never said that. Why won't you answer the question: Would Survivor have been better off with Peterik singing more vocals and playing more guitar? it's an honest question. Listen I own all Pride Of Lions stuff. It's not like I DON"T care for Jim's abilities. I'm asking the question.

[Red13JoePa]

Stop trying to twist it.
AxeCrew said Peterik lobbied to play MORE guitar (presumably rythm I guess) and you're trying to make it look like Peterik lobbied to become lead singer and lead guitarist.

I never said that. Why won't you answer the question: Would Survivor have been better off with Peterik singing more vocals and playing more guitar? it's an honest question.

Maybe no better, certainly no worse than frankie singing lead.

[Slander]

Stop trying to twist it.
AxeCrew said Peterik lobbied to play MORE guitar (presumably rythm I guess) and you're trying to make it look like Peterik lobbied to become lead singer and lead guitarist.

I never said that. Why won't you answer the question: Would Survivor have been better off with Peterik singing more vocals and playing more guitar? it's an honest question.

Maybe no better, certainly no worse than frankie singing lead.

That wasn't the question. This has nothing to do with FS singing lead which he did on 2 tracks on REACH. I'm talking in the heydey. Like I said this is a loser for you. JP would not have made the band STRONGER on vocals or guitar. I'm glad JP has the proper outlet for that now.

[Andrew]

I asked Jim about his guitar playing. I was - frankly - stunned at how good he was for a "keyboard player" - which is how I grew up knowing Jim as.
As I know now and as he confirmed to me - that guitar was always his first love. And you should see his private collection of guitars - HOLY HELL!!

But as for Survivor - his comment was short and simple and there was no further discussion needed. Jim said "there was only room for one guitar player in the band."

[Slander]

asked JimI about his guitar playing. I was - frankly - stunned at how good he was for a "keyboard player" - which is how I grew up knowing Jim as.
As I know now and as he confirmed to me - that guitar was always his first love. And you should see his private collection of guitars - HOLY HELL!!

But as for Survivor - his comment was short and simple and there was no further discussion needed. Jim said "there was only room for one guitar player in the band."

Yes and the designs of his guitars are very impressive. I believe his wife does the design. They are like works of art.

[axecrew]

He praises him as an artist there, but I think you'd be extremely hard-pressed in the context of ANY band, to find comments where bandmemembers bash eachother's actual abilities.

Schon/Perry, Van Halen/Sammy-Dave, on and on and on.

What we need to see are quotes that show peterik as someone who recognizes frankie the person as the infalible mother theresa you say peterik knows he is.

Oh now we are changing the rules of the game. Wasn't it your beloved JJ who was bashing Frankies guitar playing in that wonderful recent interview that appeared on this website? Wasn't it JJ who bashed Bicklers singing back in an interview on this website in 1999? Hard pressed? Isn't it axecrew that claims that FS is no more than a studio musician? No what I can give you are comments from JP that speak to Frankie's talents which you folks continually want to marginalize. Do we really want to go hear. Sorry Red this one is a loser for you.[/quote

You know axe I have done my best here to be kind to you. To be civil. Clearly you are way too close to the situation. Your honestly going to tell me that you haven't tried to marginalize FS abilites as a person, guitar player, song writer and producer? I think you should identify yourself and you might lose your cred on the subject. Don't be a hypocrite.

I've ask you and ask you Prove to me where I said sullivan was nothing but a studio musician....continue to accuse me of that without proof and you will find out just what your screen name means.

As a songwriter...Yes I have marginalized his talent because it is marginal. Coming up with a lick or whatever doesn't take a genius.....re the way the song Can't Hold Back came about.Any player can come up with a chord change or some type of progression. If sullivan were honest, even he would admit that Peterik was the main songwriter in Survivor and not him..... I think the proof is in all the songs that Jim has written outside of that partnership.

[Andrew]

Yes and the designs of his guitars are very impressive. I believe his wife does the design. They are like works of art.

I am referring to his collection of guitars purchased over the years from various famous musicians and manufacturers etc...dozens of them. Going back to the 50s...

[Journey/Survivor]

I asked Jim about his guitar playing. I was - frankly - stunned at how good he was for a "keyboard player" - which is how I grew up knowing Jim as.
As I know now and as he confirmed to me - that guitar was always his first love. And you should see his private collection of guitars - HOLY HELL!!

But as for Survivor - his comment was short and simple and there was no further discussion needed. Jim said "there was only room for one guitar player in the band."

Yeah, Jim was a guitarist and singer before he was a keyboardist.

For the record, I do consider Frankie to be the better guitarist overall. But Jim is a damn good guitarist too.

One of the ways that I feel sorry for Peterik is this, he was a singer and guitarist from the start, and from my understanding he was supposed to remain both a guitarist and lead vocalist in Survivor when they first formed. From what I recall Bickler and Peterik were supposed to share the lead vocals.

But within just a few years Jim was no longer doing either in the band. He was clearly a damn good team player!

[Slander]

Yeah, Jim was a guitarist and singer before he was a keyboardist.

For the record, I do consider Frankie to be the better guitarist overall. But Jim is a damn good guitarist too.

One of the ways that I feel sorry for Peterik is this, he was a singer and guitarist from the start, and from my understanding he was supposed to remain both a guitarist and lead vocalist in Survivor when they first formed. From what I recall Bickler and Peterik were supposed to share the lead vocals.

But within just a few years Jim was no longer doing either in the band. He was clearly a damn good team player!

Damn good team player. Having said that just how would have Survivor sounded with Jim singing more leads and and playing more guitar? It's an interesting thought to ponder. What do you think J/S? I now JP played guitar on Children of The Night. My favorite track. I'll be real honest here. I would greatly sacrifice vital signs, wsc, a thts sleep for the rawer Survivor sound of th early 80's. I realize they would not have been a commercially successful but it would have been truer to their sound and I bet, I just bet that JP would have been able to express himself more freely. LONG LIVE Premonition!

[Journey/Survivor]

Yeah, Jim was a guitarist and singer before he was a keyboardist.

For the record, I do consider Frankie to be the better guitarist overall. But Jim is a damn good guitarist too.

One of the ways that I feel sorry for Peterik is this, he was a singer and guitarist from the start, and from my understanding he was supposed to remain both a guitarist and lead vocalist in Survivor when they first formed. From what I recall Bickler and Peterik were supposed to share the lead vocals.

But within just a few years Jim was no longer doing either in the band. He was clearly a damn good team player!

Damn good team player. Having said that just how would have Survivor sounded with Jim singing more leads and and playing more guitar? It's an interesting thought to ponder. What do you think J/S? I now JP played guitar on Children of The Night. My favorite track. I'll be real honest here. I would greatly sacrifice vital signs, wsc, a thts sleep for the rawer Survivor sound of th early 80's. I realize they would not have been a commercially successful but it would have been truer to their sound and I bet, I just bet that JP would have been able to express himself more freely. LONG LIVE Premonition!

As far as what I would have enjoyed the most, I would say that if Peterik had continued to do what he did on Premonition and Eye Of The Tiger, play both some keyboards and additional guitar. Frankie is the guy that should be the lead guitarist for Survivor. But Jim is a damn good guitarist himself, and he added some good stuff on rhythm guitar. And JP's keyboard playing is excellent too. Too Hot To Sleep is my favorite Survivor album, but Caught In The Game is almost tied with it on my list. Overall I wish they would have stuck with the sound they had on the first 4 albums. But if they did they probably wouldn't have had as much long term success.

I do have a slight preference for Jamison's vocals though.

Children Of The Night is one of my absolute favorites too.