Your thoughts?

[Cheryl]

that don't matter, Eye of the Tiger is the signature song for that band, believe me, I am sure Jimi would have preferred to do ANY other song...lol.

[Slander]

that don't matter, Eye of the Tiger is the signature song for that band, believe me, I am sure Jimi would have preferred to do ANY other song...lol.

Wish he would have done it.

[Red13JoePa]

that don't matter, Eye of the Tiger is the signature song for that band, believe me, I am sure Jimi would have preferred to do ANY other song...lol.

mmmmmmmm...not buying. Every Jamo solo show I have or have heard of he's rolling Eye out there.

[Eyeof]

That song is just so Dave to me...

However, I will admit...i never truly appreciated how well JJ did until I suffered..ahh i mean sat... through the McAuley version...

[Cheryl]

I don't care if you buy it or not really, the fact is, a lot of times the artists' play
what the station requests...with just the two of them there, how could they pull
off any of the 'Crossroads Moment' songs....

and I've known jj for year's....that is NOT his favorite song to sing, crowd sing
a longs are very common when it comes to that particular song...

[kgdjpubs]

that don't matter, Eye of the Tiger is the signature song for that band, believe me, I am sure Jimi would have preferred to do ANY other song...lol.

mmmmmmmm...not buying. Every Jamo solo show I have or have heard of he's rolling Eye out there.

He's playing it because the audience expects it. Same reason that Journey/Foreigner/Def Leppard/etc. plays all those hits ad nauseum at every show. You start throwing too many curveballs at the audience (especially one as slim as JJ/Survivor) has...and you'll lose what is left of them.

If Jamison starts playing a set of almost all solo material, he'll be appearing at your local high school gymnasium pretty soon. Playing 2 shows a year for the fans here and the official Survivor site will get him MAYBE 2 gigs a year (if you could get everybody in the same place and time). It may not be JJ's favorite setlist, but by playing the hits, he gets a solid income for years to come. Otherwise, you get a great show or two with what he wants to play, and soon will be out of a job. It may not be a die-hard fan-friendly setlist, but the other option is that nobody will go see him.

[Perrydise]

I am a fan of Jimi's.

With that being said, I dont care about his business decisions, don't care about the money in the bank, I dont care which side he hangs on and I don't care what he has for breakfast. I am a fan of HIS MUSIC!

This whole "signature sound" is nothing but alot of b/s. You either like the music or you don't. To me, if something has a tag like "signature sound" it is bound to get mundane, banal and unimaginative.

I am sure, like a poster earlier said that their are certain songs that all singers in some ways are "forced" (for the lack of a better word) to sing because they are crowd pleasers. EOTT is just one of those songs that gets the crowds going. Yes, I do like Jimi's version of it also.

Bottom line - JJ and JP are artists, they use their talents to the fullest and they both continue to create. Thats why they are both gifted. There are far too many artists out there that sit back on their laurels and have wasted their creativity and that in itself is a shame.

If you are truly a fan (doeasn't matter what side of the track you are on) just relax and enjoy the music.

I need another drink.....

[Slander]

This whole "signature sound" is nothing but alot of b/s. You either like the music or you don't. To me, if something has a tag like "signature sound" it is bound to get mundane, banal and unimaginative.

I need another drink.....

You've obviously had too many drinks! Signature Sound bs? Do you even know how Survivor got their sound? What it is? It has nothing to do with JJ vocals? Damn is so, Cobra would be headlining a world tour right now!

[axecrew]

See slander.......I'm not the only one who gets tired of you trotting out the signature sound stuff.
What I've been trying to tell you is very simple....Jim Peterik is the main inspiration behind survivor's songs.... sullivan has contributed to the sound in equal portions just like everyone else has done. Jim is the stronger songwriter and I feel that sullivan's forte is/was in the arrangement of the ideas or songs.
Can you tell me what songs sullivan co-wrote outside of survivor that charted? I honestly have no idea.

Cheryl.....I'm not trying to be an asshole, BUT could you please get off the " I've known Jimi for years" or "When I worked for Jimi." No one really cares....I work for a band who has a song coming out on a soundtrack for a new horror movie...guess what That and $.50 will get me a cup of coffee...just like you. In other words.....It don't mean shit.

[Perrydise]

This whole "signature sound" is nothing but alot of b/s. You either like the music or you don't. To me, if something has a tag like "signature sound" it is bound to get mundane, banal and unimaginative.

I need another drink.....

You've obviously had too many drinks! Signature Sound bs? Do you even know how Survivor got their sound? What it is? It has nothing to do with JJ vocals? Damn is so, Cobra would be headlining a world tour right now!

You assume too many things.

I am only here proclaiming MY personal opinion. As far as I am concerned Jamison is one of the best rock voices ever. JP is one of the best writers ever (40 yrs+). They both continue their crafts today.

I am not in here trying to be a know-it-all, an encyclopedia, a wanna-be or a once was. I don't need to have my nose so far up someone's a$$ that I can smell their brains or be looking for free tickets somewhere.

To me it is just about the music!

[Slander]

I am only here proclaiming MY personal opinion. As far as I am concerned Jamison is one of the best rock voices ever. JP is one of the best writers ever (40 yrs+). They both continue their crafts today.

Who is disputing that? We all love their work, but as far as the sound that is a different story!

[Andrew]

Cheryl.....I'm not trying to be an asshole, BUT could you please get off the " I've known Jimi for years" or "When I worked for Jimi." No one really cares....I work for a band who has a song coming out on a soundtrack for a new horror movie...guess what That and $.50 will get me a cup of coffee...just like you. In other words.....It don't mean shit.

Well this does sound a little asshole-ish. Cheryl's a terrific person and I don't think this barb was necessary.

[Slander]

See slander.......I'm not the only one who gets tired of you trotting out the signature sound stuff.
What I've been trying to tell you is very simple....Jim Peterik is the main inspiration behind survivor's songs.... sullivan has contributed to the sound in equal portions just like everyone else has done.

Damn have we not covered this already? It is a signature sound. Frankie does a great job of answer the question in detail on survivormusic.com. Joe Vana has covered it here on this bb. I've said many times JP is a great song writer! I've said FS and JP's best work was done together? Good god axe I actually believe you enjoy this shite. JP doesn't need anyone spouting out his resume it speaks for itself. He doesn't need you that's for damn sure-you do him a great disservice! He has class.

[Tito]

Thanks for the reply joe.......I agree with a lot of what you said and yes together they were monsters. But having said that and taking a look at the stuff they've done with outside writers it's safe to say that Jim was the main idea guy. His stuff is far superior to anything sullivan has done since or without Jim around. No chance of ever getting them in the same room in the forseeable future as I'm sure you know.
The reason I ask about the label is Why are you bankrolling the expenses if it's coming out on Frontiers? Shouldn't they be doing that? Or did I misunderstand your comment about the $80,000.

I bankroll it till its done and "in the can"....once it goes to Frontiers I begin recouping....all good though, I said 2 years ago I did not are if I lost money on this album, it is a passion, not an income stream.....

I have written with both of them....and been around them for years....they are equal in creative quality.....JP just writes wayy more tunes.....that is not an opinion, I have written alot with both....

JV

Can I have some money?

I remember you saying (paraphrasing) Peterik writes 20 songs for every Sullivan song. It does seem like Peterik shits songs. Actually I think he writes more songs than he take dumps.

hahahahahahahah......

Jim is a prolific writer......FS writes when he feels like it....

He probably averages 50 tunes a year....times 12 years is 600 tunes without FS...Jim has done probably 30 albums in the past 15 years and FS has done 1.....BUT.....FS did the one album that I purchased....Reach........

I cannot fault JP for writing....his job is to sell tunes...and he is always working and has a GREAT work ethic.....a machine....

Just to be clear (I don't want to put words in people's mouths), the first sentence was JV's. The last two...the shitty ones if you will. Were mine. I don't want to misquote JV.

[axecrew]

See slander.......I'm not the only one who gets tired of you trotting out the signature sound stuff.
What I've been trying to tell you is very simple....Jim Peterik is the main inspiration behind survivor's songs.... sullivan has contributed to the sound in equal portions just like everyone else has done.

Damn have we not covered this already? It is a signature sound. Frankie does a great job of answer the question in detail on survivormusic.com. Joe Vana has covered it here on this bb. I've said many times JP is a great song writer! I've said FS and JP's best work was done together? Good god axe I actually believe you enjoy this shite. JP doesn't need anyone spouting out his resume it speaks for itself. He doesn't need you that's for damn sure-you do him a great disservice! He has class.

And sullivan doesn't need you...so who's ass is blackest? BTW love how you editted out the rest of the post to try and make me look like an ass. Boy that's real class!

[Cheryl]

<<<Cheryl.....I'm not trying to be an asshole, BUT could you please get off the " I've known Jimi for years" or "When I worked for Jimi." No one really cares....I work for a band who has a song coming out on a soundtrack for a new horror movie...guess what That and $.50 will get me a cup of coffee...just like you. In other words.....It don't mean shit.>>>

First of all, thanks Andrew, I appreciate you saying what you did....

I don't think you gotta TRY to be an asshole, you've got that covered.

I said that I worked for Jimi coz I can state facts, not bs....and how do you know what I got out of working for Jimi or any of the other artists' I have and am working for?

You don't know what I made, nor will you, it's none of your business....

Did your artist thank you on the cd like Jimi did me on the last Survivor record? will your name be rolling in the movie credits?

I made a lot of good friends and also learned a lot from Jimi in dealing with the fans, other artists, venues', booking agents, contracts, record labels and got the chance to shoot many artists' thanks to my work with Jimi and Toto....which in turn, got me photopass' to shoot lots of other artists'.

I don't need to prove myself to you or anyone else...as long as the artist that I am working for are happy with my work, that's all I need to worry about.

So, to me, what they think means 'shit', not what you think....

I didn't come on this bb to argue with fans...that is not my style and I have way too much class than to sit and defend my work history to someone that I've never met.

so next time you're trying not to be an asshole, just try a bit harder.

Have a nice day,


Cheryl Ann

[Journey/Survivor]

Cheryl,

First off I want to make clear to you that I'm in no way saying what I'm about to with the intention of insulting you or hurting your feelings! I don't know you personally, and I'm sure you are a very nice person. And we both share a love of Jimi's singing.

But I'll be honest with you... Even before Axe said what he did, it had stood out to me and at least a few other members that you come off as bragging about knowing Jimi, and tend to act like you know every last detail about his life and career. I used to hang out with Jimi and his own band on many, many occasions. He would tell me a great deal of stuff that went on with him and Survivor, a lot of details that the average Survivor fan would not know. I've also gotten to know several of the other members of Survivor, and had very similar discussions with them about "private" band details. And there are several other members on here that know one or more of the members of Survivor. And it has appeared to several of us that you seem to be trying to impress us with your connection to Jimi, and that we should listen to you as the authority on all things Survivor.

Maybe that's not your intention? But it is the way that it has come off to some of us.

Again, please don't take offense to what I'm saying, I definitely do NOT mean to offend you! And I do appreciate you giving us your opinions on Survivor related matters.

But even though Axe had never said one word to me about you, I did see where he was coming from when he said what he did to you. Even if maybe he could have said it a little nicer?

[Joe Vana]

Cheryl,

First off I want to make clear to you that I'm in no way saying what I'm about to with the intention of insulting you or hurting your feelings! I don't know you personally, and I'm sure you are a very nice person. And we both share a love of Jimi's singing.

But I'll be honest with you... Even before Axe said what he did, it had stood out to me and at least a few other members that you come off as bragging about knowing Jimi, and tend to act like you know every last detail about his life and career. I used to hang out with Jimi and his own band on many, many occasions. He would tell me a great deal of stuff that went on with him and Survivor, a lot of details that the average Survivor fan would not know. I've also gotten to know several of the other members of Survivor, and had very similar discussions with them about "private" band details. And there are several other members on here that know one or more of the members of Survivor. And it has appeared to several of us that you seem to be trying to impress us with your connection to Jimi, and that we should listen to you as the authority on all things Survivor.

Maybe that's not your intention? But it is the way that it has come off to some of us.

Again, please don't take offense to what I'm saying, I definitely do NOT mean to offend you! And I do appreciate you giving us your opinions on Survivor related matters.

But even though Axe had never said one word to me about you, I did see where he was coming from when he said what he did to you. Even if maybe he could have said it a little nicer?

Well put...and respectfully put my man.......

JV

[axecrew]

Cheryl...As I said in the last post I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AN ASSHOLE and I didn't take a personal shot at you, like you did me.
No one cares that you worked for Jimi or others, You keep using that as if by saying it, it automatically gives you some sort of specialness or credibility. Again No one cares, you don't need to use that to gain acceptance here and it isn't going to make people believe you any more or less.

My point was obviously missed since I never brought up anything about compansation so I'll explain it to you in a more simple manner.....The fact that you worked for so and so means nothing in the real world. Go to a coffee shop and tell the waitress that you worked for so and so, whether it's true or not, the waitress is going to say to you "that's nice the coffee is $1.50 a cup." Not "oh wow...well then the coffee's free for you." Just like it would happen to me or anyone else on this board. Working for a band or not.

As for the thanks in the CD liners Yes I have been thanked...multiple times and guess what it still doesn't mean shit. Big deal my friend thanked me in the Thank-you's on his album......very cool no doubt,but I still have to pay $1.50 for that coffee.
As for the movie.......since they are on the "soundtrack" I doubt that any one individual will be listed in the rolling credits or the cd liners, but I'm sure a mogul like you already knew that and didn't need me telling you.

[Red13JoePa]

Cheryl...As I said in the last post I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AN ASSHOLE and I didn't take a personal shot at you, like you did me.
No one cares that you worked for Jimi or others, You keep using that as if by saying it, it automatically gives you some sort of specialness or credibility.

She slapped me down with it and I'm the biggest Jamo head (and apoligist ) on here, I just wonder about his EOTT singing thing.

[Cheryl]

<<<Cheryl,

First off I want to make clear to you that I'm in no way saying what I'm about to with the intention of insulting you or hurting your feelings! I don't know you personally, and I'm sure you are a very nice person. And we both share a love of Jimi's singing.

But I'll be honest with you... Even before Axe said what he did, it had stood out to me and at least a few other members that you come off as bragging about knowing Jimi, and tend to act like you know every last detail about his life and career. I used to hang out with Jimi and his own band on many, many occasions. He would tell me a great deal of stuff that went on with him and Survivor, a lot of details that the average Survivor fan would not know. I've also gotten to know several of the other members of Survivor, and had very similar discussions with them about "private" band details. And there are several other members on here that know one or more of the members of Survivor. And it has appeared to several of us that you seem to be trying to impress us with your connection to Jimi, and that we should listen to you as the authority on all things Survivor.

Maybe that's not your intention? But it is the way that it has come off to some of us.

Again, please don't take offense to what I'm saying, I definitely do NOT mean to offend you! And I do appreciate you giving us your opinions on Survivor related matters.

But even though Axe had never said one word to me about you, I did see where he was coming from when he said what he did to you. Even if maybe he could have said it a little nicer?>>>


Well let me apologize to everyone for my input here....don't take offense?

you all are talking behind my back and you think that isn't offensive? insulting?

I am very proud to have worked for Jimi, bragging, call it what you want but I know FACTS, not opinions.

I stated the FACT that if he had a choice to sing any song, it would NOT have been eye....that's all.

Who here knew he was going back with Frank beforehand?

who knew he was leaving Frank beforehand?

has Frank threatened to sue any of you?

do you all have the contracts, lawsuits, emails that I had?

did he call any of you when he needed a friend to listen?

....life is too short for this bullshit and perhaps if you all had been thru what I've been thru in
the last 3 year's and faced death, lost everything you owned, buried 29 friends and family
members ina 2 yr period, then you would realize how trivial this
all is in the grand scheme of things, who gives a shit who knows more.

Do I like, win a prize or something? I don't need to prove myself to anyone here.

I KNOW a lot about jj, do I know it all, no, absolutely not.

Have a nice day and enjoy your lives, again, I apologize if I offended any of you with
the fact that he would have rather sang another song....good lord, how stupid is this?

[Journey/Survivor]

<<<Cheryl,

First off I want to make clear to you that I'm in no way saying what I'm about to with the intention of insulting you or hurting your feelings! I don't know you personally, and I'm sure you are a very nice person. And we both share a love of Jimi's singing.

But I'll be honest with you... Even before Axe said what he did, it had stood out to me and at least a few other members that you come off as bragging about knowing Jimi, and tend to act like you know every last detail about his life and career. I used to hang out with Jimi and his own band on many, many occasions. He would tell me a great deal of stuff that went on with him and Survivor, a lot of details that the average Survivor fan would not know. I've also gotten to know several of the other members of Survivor, and had very similar discussions with them about "private" band details. And there are several other members on here that know one or more of the members of Survivor. And it has appeared to several of us that you seem to be trying to impress us with your connection to Jimi, and that we should listen to you as the authority on all things Survivor.

Maybe that's not your intention? But it is the way that it has come off to some of us.

Again, please don't take offense to what I'm saying, I definitely do NOT mean to offend you! And I do appreciate you giving us your opinions on Survivor related matters.

But even though Axe had never said one word to me about you, I did see where he was coming from when he said what he did to you. Even if maybe he could have said it a little nicer?>>>


Well let me apologize to everyone for my input here....don't take offense?

you all are talking behind my back and you think that isn't offensive? insulting?

I am very proud to have worked for Jimi, bragging, call it what you want but I know FACTS, not opinions.

I stated the FACT that if he had a choice to sing any song, it would NOT have been eye....that's all.

Who here knew he was going back with Frank beforehand?

who knew he was leaving Frank beforehand?

has Frank threatened to sue any of you?

do you all have the contracts, lawsuits, emails that I had?

did he call any of you when he needed a friend to listen?

....life is too short for this bullshit and perhaps if you all had been thru what I've been thru in
the last 3 year's and faced death, lost everything you owned, buried 29 friends and family
members ina 2 yr period, then you would realize how trivial this
all is in the grand scheme of things, who gives a shit who knows more.

Do I like, win a prize or something? I don't need to prove myself to anyone here.

I KNOW a lot about jj, do I know it all, no, absolutely not.

Have a nice day and enjoy your lives, again, I apologize if I offended any of you with
the fact that he would have rather sang another song....good lord, how stupid is this?

Just to get this out of the way... I DON'T have any problem with Jimi singing EOTT live, none at all. I always loved that he would also play Caught In The Game, which is something I wish Survivor would still do.

I was serious and heartfelt when I said that I was not trying to offend you. I think your getting a little too worked up over a few of the comments that a couple of us have made here.

You've never offended me by expressing your opinions on here. You have just as much right to do that as any of the rest of us on here. My only problem would be with what appeared/appears to be a form of bragging and acting like we should all dismiss our own opinions and just take your word on everything.

Are you over on the Journey forum here on MR being accused of being a "fag" because your such a big fan of Jimi's singing? There are at least two dumbass members on here that always accuse me of being gay because I dare to say that Jimi Jamison is at least a slightly better singer than Steve Perry was. And being a heterosexual male, I don't take kindly to being called a "fag" or things of that nature.

I have known some of the things that you asked about before hand. But I'm not going to get into that on here. I try my best to not make public on the forums some of what I know that has gone on, which I think is probably how the members of Survivor prefer to have it?

And holy-crap, you don't know about the losses of loved ones and other personal stuff that I've gone through in recent years. But those things don't have a damn thing to do with Survivor or this forum, now do they?

By all means, please do continue to post on here and share your opinions with us. Just maybe try to be more tactful about how you say certain things.

[Slander]

<<<Cheryl,

..good lord, how stupid is this?

Very Cheryl. Please keep posting.

[Red13JoePa]

I won't start a thread yet, but I do have reason to believe a announcement from Survivor is pending any time now regarding their future...remember I posted 2 days before Grove rolled that he was done so take heed This should be a signifigantly more positive one, btw.

[MarcelJordan]

I won't start a thread yet, but I do have reason to believe a announcement from Survivor is pending any time now regarding their future...remember I posted 2 days before Grove rolled that he was done so take heed This should be a signifigantly more positive one, btw.

Hmmm. To the other side i go!

Edit: Awesome Thanks!

[Idiosyncrasy]

"Are you over on the Journey forum here on MR being accused of being a "fag" because your such a big fan of Jimi's singing? There are at least two dumbass members on here that always accuse me of being gay because I dare to say that Jimi Jamison is at least a slightly better singer than Steve Perry was. And being a heterosexual male, I don't take kindly to being called a "fag" or things of that nature."

Pah, ignore it. It just makes them look ignorant and stupid because they're implicitly making the assumption that being gay is in some way a bad thing; if you're not homophobic then it's no worse than being called an astronaut or a Britney Spears fan? (okay, bad example! Okay, you may not be an astronaut - but if you've got nothing against astronauts then it doesn't really work as an insult does it? They're assuming you're as prejudiced as they are - leave 'em to degrade themselves and don't take the bait!

[Perrydise]

Pah, ignore it. It just makes them look ignorant and stupid because they're implicitly making the assumption that being gay is in some way a bad thing;

1. Gay is bad.
2. Jamo is better than Perry.

Well Tito, I knew eventually I would find something to agree with you on.

To me, Jamo has always been "The Voice".

Jamo is better than Perry!

[Idiosyncrasy]

Pah, ignore it. It just makes them look ignorant and stupid because they're implicitly making the assumption that being gay is in some way a bad thing;

1. Gay is bad.
2. Jamo is better than Perry.

Oh come on, you're not telling me Jamo doesn't look hot in his 'Can't Hold Back' red leather trousers? Actually it's a toss up (as it were) between that and Stephan in his nun's habit! You're not the slightest bit curious about what he keeps under there?! Is it his alligator?!? (I never quite got where that alligator story came from! lol)