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[7 Wishes]

He had to play that long because Jamo's voice is shot. Jimi needs his rest you know.

Jamo's voice is hardly shot, Slander. He sounds better than most 53-year-old lead singers out there; in fact, he still sounds better than most 35-year-old singers, too. Besides, JJ's voice "shot" is better than McAuley's voice at its "best", by a long shot.

[Slander]

He had to play that long because Jamo's voice is shot. Jimi needs his rest you know.

Jamo's voice is hardly shot, Slander. He sounds better than most 53-year-old lead singers out there; in fact, he still sounds better than most 35-year-old singers, too. Besides, JJ's voice "shot" is better than McAuley's voice at its "best", by a long shot.

7, simply put: that's bullshit and you know it. Jamo's voice troubles are well documented. He sounded rough on REACH. Everyone knows that too. I would have a lot more respect for you if you actually argued the facts. You guys never do. Weren't you the one who told me that THTS and WSC were commercial hits?

[Red13JoePa]

I agree w/ Sev.
I'll take 70% Jamo over current McCauley given my druthers

[Slander]

I agree w/ Sev.
I'll take 70% Jamo over current McCauley given my druthers

Red you'll take him without even hearing an album? Rediculous. Wow that's an open mind.

[jrnyman28]

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

All bands need to worry about what their fans think...it's all they have!

[Red13JoePa]

I agree w/ Sev.
I'll take 70% Jamo over current McCauley given my druthers

Red you'll take him without even hearing an album? Rediculous. Wow that's an open mind.

Most of coursely. I said if I had my druthers. I'm first in line the second the new album with McC comes out, but he's Cherone to Dave's "Dave" and JJ's "Hagar." Most VH fans would've chosen either of the 2 more beloved VH vocalists before reluctantly bucking up for VHIII when it became inevitable.

Sorry for the closed mind, I'm not as deep as Frankie so region-wide power brownouts don't occur when I sit down to think as about my survivor singer preference.

[Slander]

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

All bands need to worry about what their fans think...it's all they have!

To a point. Bands follow their heart not their fans. Bands play the music they want to. Fans don't write the albums or record the music.

[jrnyman28]

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

All bands need to worry about what their fans think...it's all they have!

To a point. Bands follow their heart not their fans. Bands play the music they want to. Fans don't write the albums or record the music.

I know bands should make music for themselves. But when it comes tothe REST of the business, they really need to consider their fans. LIVE is where the band will make money and they need as many fans in the seats as possible. You MUST consider the fans opinions in this day and age.

[Slander]

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

All bands need to worry about what their fans think...it's all they have!

To a point. Bands follow their heart not their fans. Bands play the music they want to. Fans don't write the albums or record the music.

I know bands should make music for themselves. But when it comes tothe REST of the business, they really need to consider their fans. LIVE is where the band will make money and they need as many fans in the seats as possible. You MUST consider the fans opinions in this day and age.

Bands like Survivor make their music in appearance fees not ticket sales.

[7 Wishes]

7, simply put: that's bullshit and you know it. Jamo's voice troubles are well documented. He sounded rough on REACH. Everyone knows that too. I would have a lot more respect for you if you actually argued the facts. You guys never do. Weren't you the one who told me that THTS and WSC were commercial hits?

That's NOT bullshit, because while his range has diminished somewhat, his vocal maturation has given him a Trial By Fire Perry-esque depth that he never had before. We DO argue the facts; quite well, I might add. Your Frankie obsession is out of control, Kevin.

By the way, I would consider worldwide sales of 1,700,000 for those two albums to be commercial hits.

[7 Wishes]

Bands like Survivor make their music in appearance fees not ticket sales.

Exactly, Slander. If only 56 people show up to see "Survivor" Mach 5.0, the promoters won't pay jack-shit for appearance fees. Duh.

[MarcelJordan]

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

All bands need to worry about what their fans think...it's all they have!

Come off it, dude. The fans didn't get Survivor on US television in the year 2007. It was the BAND that is existing now, with FS as the main man, got them on TV.

[Slander]

7, simply put: that's bullshit and you know it. Jamo's voice troubles are well documented. He sounded rough on REACH. Everyone knows that too. I would have a lot more respect for you if you actually argued the facts. You guys never do. Weren't you the one who told me that THTS and WSC were commercial hits?

That's NOT bullshit, because while his range has diminished somewhat, his vocal maturation has given him a Trial By Fire Perry-esque depth that he never had before. We DO argue the facts; quite well, I might add. Your Frankie obsession is out of control, Kevin.

By the way, I would consider worldwide sales of 1,700,000 for those two albums to be commercial hits.

Quit sniffing glue. Jamo wishes he had Perry's voice. My god you are really drinking the Kool-Aid.

[Andrew]

That's it. There can be no doubt about it anymore. It's not open for discussion.

"Slander" IS Kevin Sullivan. Period.

No, he is not.

[IngoK]

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

All bands need to worry about what their fans think...it's all they have!

To a point. Bands follow their heart not their fans. Bands play the music they want to. Fans don't write the albums or record the music.

I know bands should make music for themselves. But when it comes tothe REST of the business, they really need to consider their fans. LIVE is where the band will make money and they need as many fans in the seats as possible. You MUST consider the fans opinions in this day and age.

Agree to this point. Of course each Artists want to do what they/he likes. But if they´re doing something the Fans don´t like it won´t be successful. So they have to hear want their Fans want and have to make compromises.

[Slander]

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

All bands need to worry about what their fans think...it's all they have!

To a point. Bands follow their heart not their fans. Bands play the music they want to. Fans don't write the albums or record the music.

I know bands should make music for themselves. But when it comes tothe REST of the business, they really need to consider their fans. LIVE is where the band will make money and they need as many fans in the seats as possible. You MUST consider the fans opinions in this day and age.

Agree to this point. Of course each Artists want to do what they/he likes. But if they´re doing something the Fans don´t like it won´t be successful. So they have to hear want their Fans want and have to make compromises.

[Slander]

I don't think the band needs to worry about what the fans think. The question is are they moving forward? Yes they are.

All bands need to worry about what their fans think...it's all they have!

To a point. Bands follow their heart not their fans. Bands play the music they want to. Fans don't write the albums or record the music.

I know bands should make music for themselves. But when it comes tothe REST of the business, they really need to consider their fans. LIVE is where the band will make money and they need as many fans in the seats as possible. You MUST consider the fans opinions in this day and age.

Agree to this point. Of course each Artists want to do what they/he likes. But if they´re doing something the Fans don´t like it won´t be successful. So they have to hear want their Fans want and have to make compromises.

I agree to this only to a point. Sure bands want to please their fans but they have to please themselves first. If they don't sing from the heart it shows on the record and in their live perfermances. Also TRUE fans respect a bands decision to explore. Why on earth would Survivor want to keep playing the old stuff over and over. I find it interesting once the decision was made to replace Jamision that Survivor expanded their set list.

[Red13JoePa]

The concerts Survivor and all bands play and depend on to supplement the income are mostly full of people who aren't "true" fans, but mostly casual fan people who own GH, Eye, or Vital Signs ONLY.

They want to hear familiarity and new songs that fit with that sound.

[Eyeof]

We want Dave, We want Dave, We want Dave, We want Dave!!!

[silvergirl66]

OK, you all know how I feel about that one

[Eyeof]

http://cbs13.com/video?id=19539@kovr.dayport.com&cid=2

[Lark]

love that clip!!!!

[lukather4prez]

Seriously folks who are we to judge someone's work ethic? Damn sometimes I wonder if you guys read your own nonsense.


I have shot off my mouth on a few occasions only to wish I had it back..It hasn't happened very often mind you but...I have to agree Slander that comment was as stupid and WRONG and uninformed as I've read in awhile.

[lukather4prez]

, simply put: that's bullshit and you know it. Jamo's voice troubles are well documented. He sounded rough on REACH. Everyone knows that too. I would have a lot more respect for you if you actually argued the facts. You guys never do. Weren't you the one who told me that THTS and WSC were commercial hits?



THTS was a great fucking album period. It was a commerical diaster! It sold around 30,000 albums in the states and was soon out of print here.

I didn't even know about it til 1992/1993 when I saw it for sale used on LP.
WSC sold okay not a hit though. I had a couple of charting singles and a top 10 it was FAR better than the weak and poppy Vital Signs (which also had little guitar as well) WSC in every way I find is better than Vital.

BTW, I think Reach has sold a lil over 100,000 albums worldwide. from a few different places is the est. i was given. wether its true I don't know. But, Im betting it sold more than all 3 Pride Of Lions albums and world stage releases' as well as Jim's solo album and the new JP/Jamo release.

Hell I think 7 wishes could sell more than the aformentioned artists latest albums! lol

Seriously, Jamo wasn't great on the Reach album he was good in spots reallllll bad on a couple and just okay on a few. he doens't seem to have the range anymore but can still sound pretty damn good IMO.

Frankie, Jamo, JP hell none of these guys are without blame for something! But, you like who you like I thought reach was okay. First half was really good. 2nd...ehhh not so much minus Half Of My heart (a decent song n performance) and esp. Talkin' Bout Love that is a real corker!

Frankie is a world class player, a BRILLIANT engineer and producer and he will kick more ass next time out with Rockin Robin and friends.

I do believe. But, we shall see.

c.m.

[lukather4prez]

I mean to clarify something . Vital Signs is the bands best seller maybe behind the greatest hits cds but...I was referring to the quality of the tunes not the sales or popularity. Obv. VS blew WSC away..I still remember something with WSC as a gold record on a wall at my old job in the back room. I will try n dig out sales for that album. It wasn't a "HIT" album like we thought of hits back then by todays standards it would be pretty good seller though as noone buys cd's anymore!

lol

c.m.

[jsmac32raider]

There's nothing humble about saying someone is lazy. Let's see. Frankie has produced 3 albums in the last 8 years. That's more than 1 every two years. He has also managed to keep Survivor playing and getting gigs. You people are rediculous.


O.k. . . . .I don't mean to be a smartass, but, . . . . . .I will anyways. I've read the above comment over and over again, making sure I didn't need to get my calculator out. . . . .

However, upon further review, your math simply doesn't seem to add up. "3 albums in 8 years = more than 1 every 2 years?"

HUH?. . . . .uh. . . . .I don't think so.

But good effort anyways to make your point

[jsmac32raider]

McAuley is breathing mediocrity into a band that has had the proverbial plug pulled by two decades of bullshit from Francis. Why do you think JP quit? It certainly wasn't because of Dave or Jimi. I've asked JP about the situation in the past, and while he won't say much, if you read between the lines, there is a lot of resentment of Francis on JP's part. Jim has been extremely active in recording and touring since he left Survivor. Survivor was IN DIRE STRAITS BECAUSE OF FRANCIS, not in spite of his "efforts". I love the guy's talents, and I'd rather have a "Survivor" than none at all, but Francis is the reason the band is completely irrelevant these days.

Unlike you, MJ, I have been a Survivor maniac since 1979. The first record I ever purchased? That's right...Eye of the Tiger, in Germany, no less. I've been to 15-20 of their shows and have supported them wholeheartedly - emotionally and by buying tickets and the quartennial record. As such, I have a right to criticize the band's direction, poor management, shabby treatment of their dwindling fan base, and lousy personnel decisions.


Seven. . . . . .Amen & Ditto on your above post.

[jsmac32raider]

Red13JoePa wrote:
I agree w/ Sev.
I'll take 70% Jamo over current McCauley given my druthers



Slander wrote: Red you'll take him without even hearing an album? Rediculous. Wow that's an open mind.


Dude. . . .Slander, what in the heck are you talking about man? You seriously can look yourself in the mirror and honestly tell yourself that McCauley sounds even comparable to Dave & JJ? Are you shittin' me?

I'm sorry. I will admit that the only time I've heard Robin was on DWTS. I'm sure the dude is a nice guy - a great guy. But this isn't about how nice or great he is. We're talking about lead vocals for a band that had 2 kick-ass lead singers in it's proud, if-limited history. So let's concentrate on the voice.

All I can say is that in watching DWTS, I seriously thought I was hearing the wicked witch from the east (Wizard of OZ) dressed up as the lead singer of Quiet Riot.

Unless you can convince me that McCauley normally sounds NOTHING like what I heard that night, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop insulting the intelligence of people around here who actually have the ability to distinguish vocal talent vs. vocal disaster when they hear it.

[Red13JoePa]

However, upon further review, your math simply doesn't seem to add up. "3 albums in 8 years = more than 1 every 2 years?"

HUH?. . . . .uh. . . . .I don't think so.

The Sman counts the Fire Makes Steel demos that are unreleased and as such BOOTLEGS, as well as the albums Frankie's credited as "producing," invoking the literal meaning of produced in crediting workaholic Frankie with this grueling body of work.


Me, I see one (1) Survivor album in 18 years.

[Slander]

Red13JoePa wrote:
I agree w/ Sev.
I'll take 70% Jamo over current McCauley given my druthers



Slander wrote: Red you'll take him without even hearing an album? Rediculous. Wow that's an open mind.


Dude. . . .Slander, what in the heck are you talking about man? You seriously can look yourself in the mirror and honestly tell yourself that McCauley sounds even comparable to Dave & JJ? Are you shittin' me?

Dude I'm not comparing the voices at all. I will give Robin an opportunity to record material that was written for him. By the way I thought Jimi sounded like shite on songs written for Dave. Sorry just my opinion. Also If Robin is so medicore why the hell does his work in MSG blow anything away that Jimi has done solo?